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I really love the first three minutes and the last minute best. Has a cool build to it. Was this coming out of me saying you should just try to play whatever comes out or something and record it? It's a really cool free jam thing. I'm also just partial to fuzz. It do pack a good emotional punch as well.

Thanks and it was mostly just a reminder to record it this time so yes in a way :) There is about another hour and a half of jamming left in this take. I phoned in sick today so lots of jamming and doodling has transpired. Fiddled with tone a bit I liked this or at least it stood out the most to me. It was a better run for sure. Glad you appreciate my rambling.

Well that's how free jazz is often done. do a lot of takes or do a very long performance, then choose the best parts of it. Are the rest of your band strong enough musicians to do a free-jazz metal thing? Because that could be really cool to just go all Ornette-Coleman's-FreeJazz but hardcore. But then the singer would have to do some more freeform type screaming! ... I am actually suddenly really intrigued by the idea of "Jazz-screaming" and haven't the courage to do it myself so you have to get this done. XP

Also, I'm glad you seem to appreciate my ramblings that I put up too. XP You do damn well and probably better than i do on a whole. dunno if I "understand" harmonica half as wella s you "understand" guitar. XP

I do understand the guitar fairly well.... My drummer is a stubborn piece of shit. That would be a huge endeavor to get him on board. He is the most metal of the bunch.. My bass player could and would likely be keen if I were to just say lets play and record. In fact we do this sometimes to warm up. Mike is usually playing some random beat and me and him will join in.. I would have to throw a recorder on in secret lol. And and as for Daniel he'd be to shy and think that he sucks to much to do it. He might back on guitar though.. Vocals on jazz are usually shitty at best though so I dunno if I would want that anyway.

I'm jsut sort of talking about what you said about "getting" how your instrument sounds, even if technique isn't great, with jazz type things as means to further compliment you.
I will pay all of you to try this. XP The bass-hippo, from what you have told me, sounds like a cool guy, and those other jam type things you did with him were pretty damn great. And you really totally have to just secretly turn on a recorder on some bandpractice nights or something. it'd probably yield some good shit. And awr about the singer; I believe in him. XP.
But this is SCREAMING in jazz. Seriously, if you have, like, a basic rhythm set up and how they are generally supposed to flow, it wouldn't sound like scat singing like you seem to hate like hell, at worst it'd probably sound like Lennon's screaming on "Well Well Well" from Plastic Ono Band. I dunno, I think it would be cool even if it was a sort of bebop type thing; lead in with vocals, have thme stop for a long period of instrumental, and just bring back the screaming melody or whatever at the end to finish it off. Or even have the scream be a rhythm-- like a chant, while the other things go where ever. I'm just throwing out ideas here. D: sorry if it's retarded but I want to be in a band with you or something now just to try this kind of idea. xP
i'm sorry if my rambling is now getting... dumb.

This actually might happen I've been trying for years to get something like it set up and I think the rest of the band is at the point where we can all play off each other and inherently know where the music will drift off to without to much pressure. As for the screaming maybe afterward when we have a more solid version of the song/take vocals/screaming could be laid. Also the screaming would likely be pretty metal still.

awesome. so, you really have to secretly record your band just doing whatever. xP
and the screaming still being metal-ish was my point to keep you on board with the screaming. thing is if the track is free-er made, so would that have to be. although adding the screaming after-- and just making it go along with whatever you jammed out-- would be interesting. i think that's what Soft Machine did (although with regular-singing) with the track "Moon in June"; half-composed/improvised the long track, then added lyrics afterward to fit how it went to sort of ground the recording.

and the sort of "wakka-wakka" type sound that goes in and out occasionally in the first three minutes makes me think of the Neu! track "Hallogallo" ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5316ZsVYSs )

not a bad tune :)
It does sound similar. I can tell you the effect is done differently in terms of performance though. Is the rest of this bands music like this?

Yeah, thought it was probably a different way of doing things but since I love that song/album so much I jsut relate every sound like that to that song. XP
It's Krautrock. It's sort of minimalist half-improvised strong-rhythm ambient rock. Neu!'s first album, self titled, is one of my favourite albums ever.
Torrent if you want: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/356.....53/Neu__-_Neu_

Krautrock.. Jesus lol I don't know what to say. I'll check it out though it has piqued my interest.

It's basically just a buzzword but I think it sounds funny.

Defining characteristics:
-strong rhythm
-lots of improvisation
-often have an aspect of industrial/atonality/freeformness

But basically it's just German progressive rock. XP don't write things off because the genres sounds funny. ;o;
If you liked "Hallogallo", the rest of the album is either things like that at slightly different tempos, and a few space-y ambient guitar tracks.

I wasn't gonna write it off. I did say I was interested after all. I just think it's dumb.

It's a dumb sounding name but it's great sounding music. xP

when i saw this at first, by the way, I thought "fuzz free jam" was "fuzz-free jam" meaning you got, like, a new microphone or something that cuts back on that or something. It took about a minute of listening to it before i noticed that OH it is "fuzz free-jam". xP