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No Ponies Required- Nature , Love and Relations
Why HELL-O to you, sexy little sacks of stuff and junk! *bows, removing her hat* It has been a tick, hasn't it? I'd say it's time we get together again for another WUBBULOUS WEDNESDAY, wouldn't you? And what, dear beautiful watchers, could be more WUBBULOUS than love...? *eyebrow arcs* Well... maybe something involving ice cream... and a horse... but that's just me...
ANypoop... If you know me at all, you know that above anything else, I value LOVE. *sighs, dreamily* Truly loving someone else and sharing that much of yourself in a bond of trust and joy and all the trimmings, it's really just the TOPPS, baby. *purrs, growling* Rrrring -a-ding, know what I'm sayin'? *chuckles* I really like New Vegas, by the way... Also, if you know me pretty well, or just have bothered to leaf through my work ( good way to get to know me) you'll know I am in what is called a "Polyfidelity" relationship. That being that I am beholden to two different partners, lovers, lord and lady,husband and wife, whatever you wish. *thumps her hat* In the end, it means that I am attached to them in a way akin to the religious concept of "marriage". *sips her drink* Anything past that, involving others, is a matter of negotiation. And that... well, that works for us. Our 'relationship V' is as real as blood, bolts and body armour.
Now, some would call that manner of relation "un-natural"... and if you want to be technical about it... yep. It sure is. "Marriage" in general is. Period. We made it up. If we all want to be natural we should just shag each other as we please with no legal ties or ramifications, 'tall. Like it or not, folkes, That's natural. That may be a bit off my point... but that's also kind of the point.
We, as a species... *gesticulates* as animals... we have many basic biological drives and screwing is a BIG one of them. *eyes widen* REAL big, like... crazy big... biblical "B", just... BIG. There's eating, sleeping and screwing *counts them off on her fingers* So, we feel reeeeeeaaaally good when we moosh our parts together... *eyebrow wriggles* in whatever Lego-brick mix'n'match way it pleases... and we do it. *raises a nail* BUT- as Maslowe pointed out, we aren't just animals. We've got these weird feelings and ways to express them and all manner of other bits that we're not getting into here- point is, we also desire 'love' and 'to be loved', the beauty of commitment. *sighs* I get that. Trust me, I do. Socially, many of us have been conditioned by religion, culture, social mores, to believe that such a thing is only appropriate when it's in a VERY specific format, one person, one other person. *sighs* Anything else is like trying to put a vinyl LP in a disc-drive, just doesn't go...
Now... I AM NOT making fun of these people. *points harshly* NO. If you do, you are the exact reason I made this comic and the point I've been leading up to with my self-involved rambling... *plugs in her phone* woops... Sorry 'bout that. There is a sizable contingent in this fandom, in many parts of our society that are in a manner of polyamorous relationship and that is AWESOME... LOVE is awesome. However, looking down on and belittling people for NOT doing so, is NOT awesome. Is it "Wrong" to be in a singular loving relationship? Is it "limiting" the love and potential of the couple? Are they both "denying themselves the pleasure of their birthright as human beings" by not sharing their love with others who might feel the same undying tie of the heart with them...?
Maybe. Maybe so. *smiles* But it's not up to you to say. It's not up to me, either, or you or you or anyone. It's up to them and them alone. Lay off 'em, okay? If they're happy, and they're not hurtin' anyone, fuck... just let them be happy. Isn't that what we all want?
*pops her neck* Well, now. I hope we've had some fun together. I've got a few irons in the fire at the moment and work even later. Ugh. SO, in the meantime, love each other you sexy beasts, however works for you. *bows and tips her hat*
ANypoop... If you know me at all, you know that above anything else, I value LOVE. *sighs, dreamily* Truly loving someone else and sharing that much of yourself in a bond of trust and joy and all the trimmings, it's really just the TOPPS, baby. *purrs, growling* Rrrring -a-ding, know what I'm sayin'? *chuckles* I really like New Vegas, by the way... Also, if you know me pretty well, or just have bothered to leaf through my work ( good way to get to know me) you'll know I am in what is called a "Polyfidelity" relationship. That being that I am beholden to two different partners, lovers, lord and lady,husband and wife, whatever you wish. *thumps her hat* In the end, it means that I am attached to them in a way akin to the religious concept of "marriage". *sips her drink* Anything past that, involving others, is a matter of negotiation. And that... well, that works for us. Our 'relationship V' is as real as blood, bolts and body armour.
Now, some would call that manner of relation "un-natural"... and if you want to be technical about it... yep. It sure is. "Marriage" in general is. Period. We made it up. If we all want to be natural we should just shag each other as we please with no legal ties or ramifications, 'tall. Like it or not, folkes, That's natural. That may be a bit off my point... but that's also kind of the point.
We, as a species... *gesticulates* as animals... we have many basic biological drives and screwing is a BIG one of them. *eyes widen* REAL big, like... crazy big... biblical "B", just... BIG. There's eating, sleeping and screwing *counts them off on her fingers* So, we feel reeeeeeaaaally good when we moosh our parts together... *eyebrow wriggles* in whatever Lego-brick mix'n'match way it pleases... and we do it. *raises a nail* BUT- as Maslowe pointed out, we aren't just animals. We've got these weird feelings and ways to express them and all manner of other bits that we're not getting into here- point is, we also desire 'love' and 'to be loved', the beauty of commitment. *sighs* I get that. Trust me, I do. Socially, many of us have been conditioned by religion, culture, social mores, to believe that such a thing is only appropriate when it's in a VERY specific format, one person, one other person. *sighs* Anything else is like trying to put a vinyl LP in a disc-drive, just doesn't go...
Now... I AM NOT making fun of these people. *points harshly* NO. If you do, you are the exact reason I made this comic and the point I've been leading up to with my self-involved rambling... *plugs in her phone* woops... Sorry 'bout that. There is a sizable contingent in this fandom, in many parts of our society that are in a manner of polyamorous relationship and that is AWESOME... LOVE is awesome. However, looking down on and belittling people for NOT doing so, is NOT awesome. Is it "Wrong" to be in a singular loving relationship? Is it "limiting" the love and potential of the couple? Are they both "denying themselves the pleasure of their birthright as human beings" by not sharing their love with others who might feel the same undying tie of the heart with them...?
Maybe. Maybe so. *smiles* But it's not up to you to say. It's not up to me, either, or you or you or anyone. It's up to them and them alone. Lay off 'em, okay? If they're happy, and they're not hurtin' anyone, fuck... just let them be happy. Isn't that what we all want?
*pops her neck* Well, now. I hope we've had some fun together. I've got a few irons in the fire at the moment and work even later. Ugh. SO, in the meantime, love each other you sexy beasts, however works for you. *bows and tips her hat*
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I don't necessarily deny that polyamory is a thing...but when people claim to be that way, until proven otherwise, I kind of just assume them to be sluts with spell check.
Kind of like how I'm sure a few people were legitimately upset about the earthquake/Tsunami in Japan...but I can't help but feel like a large chuck of the "Pray for Japan" people were mostly just upset that some anime cels might have gotten wet.
Kind of like how I'm sure a few people were legitimately upset about the earthquake/Tsunami in Japan...but I can't help but feel like a large chuck of the "Pray for Japan" people were mostly just upset that some anime cels might have gotten wet.
I have a quite cynical perspective when it comes to the intentions of people. Especially people on the younger side. Given how often monogamous relationships fall apart due to one or both parties being a dirtbag, it seems such as likely for it to happen in a relationship with three or more people. To put it simply, either somebody truly have romantic feelings and commitment toward multiple people, and everyone involved feels the same way...or it's a convenient label to cover up a lack of commitment/maturity. Either could be true, depends on the person, and I'm generally more likely to believe the latter. I don't have any moral objections to polyamory, I just barely have enough faith in people to believe in the sanctity of their monogamous relationships, much less anything more complicated.
Fair enough point. I often find monogamous relationships to be sour and end as such, but I think we dont hear/see enough of the ones that do work well, where both (or all for poly) give and receive equally. I myself am like that with my relationships; having two boyfriends who I love and seek to have a future with together. I don't seek for any more as it would require many things such as my boyfriends knowing beforehand, having them get to know the new guy, and to love him as well as the new guy loving them, and of course you can see how unlikely that can be so that's why I'm not looking for anymore, besides the point that i'm comfortable with who I have already.
As the other member above said,not trying to start an argument. But I thought I'd just put in a bit of two cents I guess.
My husband and I have been together almost ten years now,within said years we have had two other woman simultaneously in our lives. One when we where teens,we went many years without attempting to find another. (Long story as to why) But we found our now wife a year ago,we didn't know what she looked like,her name or anything. We,by happenstance,met on an RP site. My husband and my wife are my world and that much more,I love them just as much as any person in a monogamous relationship would their mate. They're the one's I love with all my soul and being. I do not betray the trust that they've put in me,and if it was possible in this country-despite the fact I don't think a piece of paper is necessary. Would get a divorce with my husband,so we could all get married. I'd do this without a second thought,or hesitation.
My husband and I have been together almost ten years now,within said years we have had two other woman simultaneously in our lives. One when we where teens,we went many years without attempting to find another. (Long story as to why) But we found our now wife a year ago,we didn't know what she looked like,her name or anything. We,by happenstance,met on an RP site. My husband and my wife are my world and that much more,I love them just as much as any person in a monogamous relationship would their mate. They're the one's I love with all my soul and being. I do not betray the trust that they've put in me,and if it was possible in this country-despite the fact I don't think a piece of paper is necessary. Would get a divorce with my husband,so we could all get married. I'd do this without a second thought,or hesitation.
Knowing you, I know what you mean. *chuckles* It's preeeeetty easy to see how many people claim to be a part of one group or t'other as a means of fitting in or legitimizing behaviours, real or imaginary. I don't want to assume the worst of people but again, been in the furry fandom long enough to know what you're talking about.
This will actually be the topic of one of next week's discussion pieces... "Polyamory is not the same as Promiscuity"....
This will actually be the topic of one of next week's discussion pieces... "Polyamory is not the same as Promiscuity"....
"Polyamory is not the same as Promiscuity"....
Heard the term used that way by some (girls) "I'm polyamorous now, I broke up with my boyfriend." Yeeeeah... This may seem a minor thing, but, it is what the mainstream does with new concepts - it adopts them into the mainstream, by... assimilating them like the Borg. Will "polyamory" be nothing more than the hip, new term for "single"?
Heard the term used that way by some (girls) "I'm polyamorous now, I broke up with my boyfriend." Yeeeeah... This may seem a minor thing, but, it is what the mainstream does with new concepts - it adopts them into the mainstream, by... assimilating them like the Borg. Will "polyamory" be nothing more than the hip, new term for "single"?
I'm afraid I know exactly your layin' down, love. Plenty of folkes do claim kinship to a concept or group without really knowing what they're saying. Seems like the cool thing for their circumstances, they did a ten-second skimming of reddit, they know what they're talking about.... riiiiiiight?
.... uhhmhmmmn..... I can't be the only person who remembers that words mean things.... and that's not what that means.
.... uhhmhmmmn..... I can't be the only person who remembers that words mean things.... and that's not what that means.
Thank you so much for making this. I had actually been labeled as a slut or a whore for it. I knew well before hand to never judge someone on how many they wanna love as long as everyone involved knows about it. Love is awesome, but so is honesty, and I value both about the same. I could go on about how a few particular religions allowed such things, but under less than.. sweet ways, so to say, but now isn't the time.
Really, Love is Love, and for polyamory, it should be accepted so long as it's fair and mutual, and shouldn't be treated any different from monogamy.
Really, Love is Love, and for polyamory, it should be accepted so long as it's fair and mutual, and shouldn't be treated any different from monogamy.
You're very welcome love. *smiles* I'm glad whenever I can make anyone happy with the things I create.
I think you reminded me best of ...Graham Chapman... when he said in an interview, and I paraphrase... "Sex is simply a good way for two or more consenting adults to have good, clean, cheap fun." It's roughly the way I see the issue. I understand not everyone does. Ahriman and Krissie both know me and trust me because I have EARNED their trust and moreso, their respect and if physicality becomes issue with another the issue is but a permission slip away, as they know they can always rely on me to be responsible. We are, as I stated in the info, socially conditioned almost from birth to see sex and love and relationships through a judeo-christian euro-centric lens... *head tilts, winces* and for my money that's pretty horrible. It... hurts us, individually and as a species. Many people grow to adulthood and find that they enjoy "porn", they have feelings, some physical, some deeper, emotional, but refuse to act on them, "slut-shame" others(regardless of their own behaviour), get in relationships they feel "trapped" in and so on, all of which could have been avoided if they'd shake off the indoctrination affect and just LIVE life...
Okay... that's my rambling. I apologize. *sighs and bows* Thank you, again for your kindness.
I think you reminded me best of ...Graham Chapman... when he said in an interview, and I paraphrase... "Sex is simply a good way for two or more consenting adults to have good, clean, cheap fun." It's roughly the way I see the issue. I understand not everyone does. Ahriman and Krissie both know me and trust me because I have EARNED their trust and moreso, their respect and if physicality becomes issue with another the issue is but a permission slip away, as they know they can always rely on me to be responsible. We are, as I stated in the info, socially conditioned almost from birth to see sex and love and relationships through a judeo-christian euro-centric lens... *head tilts, winces* and for my money that's pretty horrible. It... hurts us, individually and as a species. Many people grow to adulthood and find that they enjoy "porn", they have feelings, some physical, some deeper, emotional, but refuse to act on them, "slut-shame" others(regardless of their own behaviour), get in relationships they feel "trapped" in and so on, all of which could have been avoided if they'd shake off the indoctrination affect and just LIVE life...
Okay... that's my rambling. I apologize. *sighs and bows* Thank you, again for your kindness.
I hope things work out for you all in whatever fashion best suits, love. *scritches her neck* It takes a special kind of person in our culture to be able to accept and fight for a poly relationship, even if it IS our default setting, societal conditioning and pressure can be CRUSHING on much smaller issues....
Ara, bindings in the literal sense to show the non-literal ones.. Or simply kinkiness, who knows~? Nonetheless, lovely little piece. I will admit, though, I know poly amory is not for me, granted, I care not for marriage either.. But I can respect people for being able to handle it, and getting joy out of it! Keep that boat floating, maybe even rock it a little by making some music.. Of various kinds... It's not sinking mine~
*Smirks* It's a little bit of both, I'd say. I honestly put a bit of thought into the way I wanted to depict the ties that bind us together and how. The fact that we three are bound to each other in a fashion which we could choose to let go but don't *head tilts* and if we did would leave us with a loose binding, dragging behind us to a degree... was a poetic touch on my part.
Your outlook and your spirit... You have always been of interest to me, love. You know that. I still lament not being able to come to visit you but for verdamnt financial problems. I actually had the tickets lined up and everything. *grumbles*
Your outlook and your spirit... You have always been of interest to me, love. You know that. I still lament not being able to come to visit you but for verdamnt financial problems. I actually had the tickets lined up and everything. *grumbles*
And a description from the artist only deepens the meaning that that final little sprint to the finale that put it all together~ Kudos to you, I say.
Finances can be a pain, nay? Though there is always another time, another dawn, and some day you can enjoy the Netherlands' dyke-- I mean, levies*~ Still, you humble me with your interest!
Finances can be a pain, nay? Though there is always another time, another dawn, and some day you can enjoy the Netherlands' dyke-- I mean, levies*~ Still, you humble me with your interest!
I was in a poly relationship once, but man did it turn out a mess.
In fairness though, I think I didn't really know what I was getting into and I really should have gotten to know the people involved better before moving in with them as well as working out how the living situation would work too.
... and moving out just because your mother and you had a fight is never really a good idea. >_>;
Needless to say, it only lasted six months before I was back at mom's house, but it was also what made me finally enroll in college so I still consider it a win in the end.
In fairness though, I think I didn't really know what I was getting into and I really should have gotten to know the people involved better before moving in with them as well as working out how the living situation would work too.
... and moving out just because your mother and you had a fight is never really a good idea. >_>;
Needless to say, it only lasted six months before I was back at mom's house, but it was also what made me finally enroll in college so I still consider it a win in the end.
Polyamory is our default setting, I do truly believe this. Unfortunately we get programmed with a mano y mano ideal for relationships and our concept of self-worth almost from birth so it makes having anything beyond that almost impossible for most people without years of deprogramming oneself.
I was no different back in my teens and early twenties. I said many of the same things which I look back on now as being quite pitiable but having gone through such I can be more understanding towards people who refuse to even try.
Poly relationships take a great deal of maturity and conscientious effort on the part of all parties. Lacking these, they will fail. However, lacking these, a "normal" relationship will fail as well, so... *shrugs, laughs* bob's your uncle, then.
I was no different back in my teens and early twenties. I said many of the same things which I look back on now as being quite pitiable but having gone through such I can be more understanding towards people who refuse to even try.
Poly relationships take a great deal of maturity and conscientious effort on the part of all parties. Lacking these, they will fail. However, lacking these, a "normal" relationship will fail as well, so... *shrugs, laughs* bob's your uncle, then.
Actually Gary is my uncle, Bob is my father, but meh...
But yeah, the relationship wound up being a total disaster. I mostly got into it because my boyfriend at the time wanted to do it, and I went with it mostly because my relationship with my mother was going through a really bad patch and I had just quit my job of around seven years.
Basically, I dove into it on impulse and wound up stuck in a pretty rotten situation with one guy I wound up only liking "as a friend" and another who I can barely stand to think about now (I'll spare you the rant,) and my boyfriend and I broke up right after the whole thing fell into a steaming mess and I moved back home with my mother.
... on the plus side its what got me to go to college and finally lit a fire under my ass about improving my situation in terms of job and such... so it wasn't all bad I guess. Got to live in St. Louis for a while too, that was neat.
But yeah, the relationship wound up being a total disaster. I mostly got into it because my boyfriend at the time wanted to do it, and I went with it mostly because my relationship with my mother was going through a really bad patch and I had just quit my job of around seven years.
Basically, I dove into it on impulse and wound up stuck in a pretty rotten situation with one guy I wound up only liking "as a friend" and another who I can barely stand to think about now (I'll spare you the rant,) and my boyfriend and I broke up right after the whole thing fell into a steaming mess and I moved back home with my mother.
... on the plus side its what got me to go to college and finally lit a fire under my ass about improving my situation in terms of job and such... so it wasn't all bad I guess. Got to live in St. Louis for a while too, that was neat.
Wait? Isn’t polyamory just a synonym for adultery?
I mean I know that adultery is natural but...such a big relationship is hard for sapient beings to properly manage. The only way to avoid hurt feeling would be general detachment to the po By where having sex is no more special then getting a burrito.
Monogamy came into being to help avoid these issues, 2 people are easier to manage than 3.
I will howeve admit that polygamy could increase our birth rates, but that would be a nuclear option.
I mean I know that adultery is natural but...such a big relationship is hard for sapient beings to properly manage. The only way to avoid hurt feeling would be general detachment to the po By where having sex is no more special then getting a burrito.
Monogamy came into being to help avoid these issues, 2 people are easier to manage than 3.
I will howeve admit that polygamy could increase our birth rates, but that would be a nuclear option.
Wait? Isn’t polyamory just a synonym for adultery?
No, love. It literally means "many loves". "Adultery" is only a concept to specific religious superstitions and taboos. Read the artist info for a more detailed explanation, before making such an assumption, please.
I mean I know that adultery is natural but...such a big relationship is hard for sapient beings to properly manage. The only way to avoid hurt feeling would be general detachment to the po By where having sex is no more special then getting a burrito.
Or by being a mature enough adult to understand the difference between 'sex' and 'love', that the two are completely different concepts, though not necessarily mutually exclusive. If you have a problem with this point then that would be your difficulty and yours alone, love. Again, your concept of 'adultery' is your own and a seemingly deliberate attempt to misunderstand or misrepresent the subject. Please read the artist info.
Monogamy came into being to help avoid these issues, 2 people are easier to manage than 3.
That point is historically arguable at best. Many doctors of anthropology, history, law, even paleontology and such would say 'monogamy' came into being as a concept solely to settle property disputes or to establish a ruling class through social control. However, again, if that is the way you've been conditioned to operate or the only manner in which you are capable, that is your difficulty and no one else.
I will howeve admit that polygamy could increase our birth rates, but that would be a nuclear option.
"Polyamory" is not the same thing as "polygamy" and none of this has anything to do with birth rates. Polyamory is a mature and respectful relationship between multiple partners, as stated in the artist's info, "polyfidelity". Read the artist info please for an understanding of the issue.
You seem to express a great deal of your own inadequacies and religious taboos onto others, love. As stated several times, If you'd read and comprehended the artists info section of this you would have already had the answers to the basic gist of each point you attempt to make here. I would recommend a critical evaluation of your reading before making such a very troll-ish post next time.
I've seen several of your other comments on other postings and they seem to follow the same general attitude and disrespectful, deliberately insulting demeanor attached to excessive nationalism, racism and such. Please do not continue to spread such here.
No, love. It literally means "many loves". "Adultery" is only a concept to specific religious superstitions and taboos. Read the artist info for a more detailed explanation, before making such an assumption, please.
I mean I know that adultery is natural but...such a big relationship is hard for sapient beings to properly manage. The only way to avoid hurt feeling would be general detachment to the po By where having sex is no more special then getting a burrito.
Or by being a mature enough adult to understand the difference between 'sex' and 'love', that the two are completely different concepts, though not necessarily mutually exclusive. If you have a problem with this point then that would be your difficulty and yours alone, love. Again, your concept of 'adultery' is your own and a seemingly deliberate attempt to misunderstand or misrepresent the subject. Please read the artist info.
Monogamy came into being to help avoid these issues, 2 people are easier to manage than 3.
That point is historically arguable at best. Many doctors of anthropology, history, law, even paleontology and such would say 'monogamy' came into being as a concept solely to settle property disputes or to establish a ruling class through social control. However, again, if that is the way you've been conditioned to operate or the only manner in which you are capable, that is your difficulty and no one else.
I will howeve admit that polygamy could increase our birth rates, but that would be a nuclear option.
"Polyamory" is not the same thing as "polygamy" and none of this has anything to do with birth rates. Polyamory is a mature and respectful relationship between multiple partners, as stated in the artist's info, "polyfidelity". Read the artist info please for an understanding of the issue.
You seem to express a great deal of your own inadequacies and religious taboos onto others, love. As stated several times, If you'd read and comprehended the artists info section of this you would have already had the answers to the basic gist of each point you attempt to make here. I would recommend a critical evaluation of your reading before making such a very troll-ish post next time.
I've seen several of your other comments on other postings and they seem to follow the same general attitude and disrespectful, deliberately insulting demeanor attached to excessive nationalism, racism and such. Please do not continue to spread such here.
I’m sorry, I genuinely couldn’t tell the difference between Adultery, polyamory ,and polygamy.
But I promise I am not objecting to polyamory from a religious moral ground, as I am an atheist.
And I am sorry for neglecting to read the other comments.
As for the accusation of racism, I have no idea why you’d think that, and I don’t see anything wrong with nationalism so long as it’s non-hateful and non-violent.
But I promise I am not objecting to polyamory from a religious moral ground, as I am an atheist.
And I am sorry for neglecting to read the other comments.
As for the accusation of racism, I have no idea why you’d think that, and I don’t see anything wrong with nationalism so long as it’s non-hateful and non-violent.
I didn't accuse you of racism, love. I apologize if my wording seemed to indicate such. I only pointed out that much of your dialogue came across in the three comments you've recently left as very similar to what I've heard from many of the less-savoury sort who walk under that flag, of which there are FAR too many in this fandom, much less this world, of late.
For my dollar, Nationalism is the same nonsense as any other act of tribalism, divisive illusory faff and sabre-rattling, existing to divide humanity into "us" and "them". If a person wishes to take pride in the matter of genetic happenstance, imaginary lines on a sheet of paper, that's their choice and it is a very superficial one, unfortunate, but still, their choice. I won't fault them for it provided they don't use it to harm others...
For my dollar, Nationalism is the same nonsense as any other act of tribalism, divisive illusory faff and sabre-rattling, existing to divide humanity into "us" and "them". If a person wishes to take pride in the matter of genetic happenstance, imaginary lines on a sheet of paper, that's their choice and it is a very superficial one, unfortunate, but still, their choice. I won't fault them for it provided they don't use it to harm others...
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