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Just saw the iconic Cold War PSA/propaganda film "Duck and Cover" on TCM last week, and wondered what Bert the Turtle would look like as Vault-Boy. The problem is, it totally fits!
(Damn us all if he has to be brought out of retirement.)
(Damn us all if he has to be brought out of retirement.)
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You have to remember nuclear weapons were by far less powerful in Burt's 1950's/'60's age.
Also it is ment to save you from the shock wave radiating out from the blast, not the blast itself, or the heat wave.
An also, it never tells you to protect yourself from the fallout.
During that age people were still playing in the fallout ash, as if it was snow!
But I remember doing my duck an cover drills in elementary school
Also it is ment to save you from the shock wave radiating out from the blast, not the blast itself, or the heat wave.
An also, it never tells you to protect yourself from the fallout.
During that age people were still playing in the fallout ash, as if it was snow!
But I remember doing my duck an cover drills in elementary school
And in about a month, my state will once again be testing a sound I haven't head since I was a kid, and one that no kid today has heard, and probably the millenials haven't heard either: the air-raid/nuclear warning siren (the occilating wailing tone, as opposed to the straight, constaint blare). Gee, what little prick can I thank for that?
The idea was to protect people and Some of the information given would actually help in saving some lives. Though for the most part, preparing people for something like that was more of a way to keep people somewhat calm. After all, One feels more at ease with the world if they think they are ready to protect themselves from what at the time (And still to this day is) the worst case situation in any war.
"...something that would literally not protect them at all...."
Tell that to the students in Yulia Karbysheva's fourth grade class. They escaped uninjured during the Chelyabinsk meteor explosion, (~0.5Mt), because she had them 'duck and cover' after seeing the flash. She was not so lucky, having remained standing, and suffered severe lacerations and a severed tendon from the blown-in windows.
One thing you have to remember about explosions is that they aren't like D&D fireballs that do full damage within some distance and no damage beyond that. Instead, the damage trails off as you get farther away. Things like 'duck and cover' make things a little bit safer at any given distance.
Sure, there is still a region where you die and a larger region where you probably die but the little bit of extra safety can change things from 'dead' to 'seriously hurt' or 'hurt' to 'a bit banged up, but mostly OK'. If you can, go dig up the Mythbusters episode where they tested hiding behind things to save yourself from an explosion: Even the simple plywood table was a big help.
Tell that to the students in Yulia Karbysheva's fourth grade class. They escaped uninjured during the Chelyabinsk meteor explosion, (~0.5Mt), because she had them 'duck and cover' after seeing the flash. She was not so lucky, having remained standing, and suffered severe lacerations and a severed tendon from the blown-in windows.
One thing you have to remember about explosions is that they aren't like D&D fireballs that do full damage within some distance and no damage beyond that. Instead, the damage trails off as you get farther away. Things like 'duck and cover' make things a little bit safer at any given distance.
Sure, there is still a region where you die and a larger region where you probably die but the little bit of extra safety can change things from 'dead' to 'seriously hurt' or 'hurt' to 'a bit banged up, but mostly OK'. If you can, go dig up the Mythbusters episode where they tested hiding behind things to save yourself from an explosion: Even the simple plywood table was a big help.
Was I referring to a meteorite explosion? No. I was referring to a full-blown 50+ megaton atomic bomb detonation which is what "Duck and Cover" was saying it would help from, using examples like little Bobby NOT being in shelter, in broad daylight in the park and ducking and covering when he sees the nuclear flash (which, if he's looking directly at it, would permanently blind him anyway). Ducking and covering will not protect you at all from the following results of a nuclear bomb detonating above your home town:
* Shock wave
* Fire
* Extreme heat wave in the area
* Lethal doses of ionizing radiation
* Cancer and mutation as a result of said radiation
Typically if you're close enough to the detonation to still see the blast, you're jolly well fucked if you're not in a fallout shelter, which was my point.
But since people are still defending the film's stated procedures as making you magically immune to all effects of a nuclear blast, let me quote actual sources.
"Within a considerable radius from the surface of the nuclear fireball, 0–3 kilometers—largely depending on the explosion's height, yield and position of personnel—ducking and covering would offer negligible protection against the intense heat, blast and prompt ionizing radiation following a nuclear explosion. Beyond that range, however, many lives would be saved by following the simple advice, especially since at that range the main hazard is not from ionizing radiation but from blast injuries and sustaining thermal flash burns to unprotected skin. Furthermore, following the bright flash of light of the nuclear fireball, the explosion's blast wave would take from first light, 7 to 10 seconds to reach a person standing 3 km from the surface of the nuclear fireball, with the exact time of arrival being dependent on the speed of sound in air in their area. The time delay between the moment of an explosions flash and the arrival of the slower moving blast wave is analogous to the commonly experienced time delay between the observation of a flash of lightning and the arrival of thunder during a lightning storm, thus at the distances that the advice would be most effective, there would be more than ample amounts of time to take the prompt countermeasure of 'duck and cover' against the blast's direct effects and flying debris. For very large explosions it can take 30 seconds or more, after the silent moment of flash, for a potentially dangerous blast wave over-pressure to arrive at, or hit, your position.
* Shock wave
* Fire
* Extreme heat wave in the area
* Lethal doses of ionizing radiation
* Cancer and mutation as a result of said radiation
Typically if you're close enough to the detonation to still see the blast, you're jolly well fucked if you're not in a fallout shelter, which was my point.
But since people are still defending the film's stated procedures as making you magically immune to all effects of a nuclear blast, let me quote actual sources.
"Within a considerable radius from the surface of the nuclear fireball, 0–3 kilometers—largely depending on the explosion's height, yield and position of personnel—ducking and covering would offer negligible protection against the intense heat, blast and prompt ionizing radiation following a nuclear explosion. Beyond that range, however, many lives would be saved by following the simple advice, especially since at that range the main hazard is not from ionizing radiation but from blast injuries and sustaining thermal flash burns to unprotected skin. Furthermore, following the bright flash of light of the nuclear fireball, the explosion's blast wave would take from first light, 7 to 10 seconds to reach a person standing 3 km from the surface of the nuclear fireball, with the exact time of arrival being dependent on the speed of sound in air in their area. The time delay between the moment of an explosions flash and the arrival of the slower moving blast wave is analogous to the commonly experienced time delay between the observation of a flash of lightning and the arrival of thunder during a lightning storm, thus at the distances that the advice would be most effective, there would be more than ample amounts of time to take the prompt countermeasure of 'duck and cover' against the blast's direct effects and flying debris. For very large explosions it can take 30 seconds or more, after the silent moment of flash, for a potentially dangerous blast wave over-pressure to arrive at, or hit, your position.
First of all, 50+Mt warheads were never deployed by _anyone_ and there was only a single test of that yield. Blasts on the order of 500kt are more on the scale that would be experienced, (although every size will have a distance range where 'duck and cover' would be an effective mitigation technique).
Now, how about reading the rest of what I wrote? I'll repeat it here so that you don't have to go back:
One thing you have to remember about explosions is that they aren't like D&D fireballs that do full damage within some distance and no damage beyond that. Instead, the damage trails off as you get farther away. Things like 'duck and cover' make things a little bit safer at any given distance.
Sure, there is still a region where you die and a larger region where you probably die but the little bit of extra safety can change things from 'dead' to 'seriously hurt' or 'hurt' to 'a bit banged up, but mostly OK'. If you can, go dig up the Mythbusters episode where they tested hiding behind things to save yourself from an explosion: Even the simple plywood table was a big help.
Would you care to amend your response to address what I actually said or would you like to stick with your strawman and concede the point?
Then again, you goalpost movement, (from "duck and cover is useless" to "duck and cover isn't a 100% protection in all cases"), is itself a concession of the point.
Now, how about reading the rest of what I wrote? I'll repeat it here so that you don't have to go back:
One thing you have to remember about explosions is that they aren't like D&D fireballs that do full damage within some distance and no damage beyond that. Instead, the damage trails off as you get farther away. Things like 'duck and cover' make things a little bit safer at any given distance.
Sure, there is still a region where you die and a larger region where you probably die but the little bit of extra safety can change things from 'dead' to 'seriously hurt' or 'hurt' to 'a bit banged up, but mostly OK'. If you can, go dig up the Mythbusters episode where they tested hiding behind things to save yourself from an explosion: Even the simple plywood table was a big help.
Would you care to amend your response to address what I actually said or would you like to stick with your strawman and concede the point?
Then again, you goalpost movement, (from "duck and cover is useless" to "duck and cover isn't a 100% protection in all cases"), is itself a concession of the point.
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