No Ponies Required- Reflecting On Vampires...
Good evening to you, you fine sexy things, both fuzzy and fish-like!
Just a thought but, the mythos of "vampires" has been an interesting thing to me for the longest time. *sips her coke* Yes, yes, I know, lovely watchers... "Oh, Ashley, vampires are so over-done in modern culture... blee-blah-blippidy-bloop", go mail a photocopy of your junk to Stephanie Meyer if it makes you feel better. Just don't say I told you to. There are still hundreds of interesting stories built on these characters and plotting the change of their construction and function throughout the history of the world makes for a very fascinating evening...
Much like "The Devil", depending upon where you're from, what culture you're raised in, the idea of a "vampire" generally exists in some form or another and they all seem to have different rules of engagement. Some look just like they did in life, some hold the pallor of the grave, some are blackened and distended, bloated corpses, some glitter in the sunlight... apparently...*ahem*... ALL have different other-worldly ties and abilities, limitations and liabilities.
Some of these are funny as V.P. pence's chances in a pride parade when you think about it, just a wee bit... *snickers* Like, por ejemplo, the whole "casts no reflection" thing. How's that work? *grins, nomming on a french-fry* If light doesn't bounce off them to create a reflection, how do they see? If it's just "magick" then, how do they shave? Or cut their hair? Can a camera take their picture? What about a video camera? Could you not see one through a telescope? Or a periscope? Certain types of binoculars and gun sights? Could they not game on kinect for their XBOX 360? Could they not use Skype for chats? Or post videos to youtube? What waves do and don't interact with their bodies? Could a GPS not- Y'see where this kind of nit-picky bullshit will take you when you just start thinking about it? *laughs*
Best not to do so, methinks. Just pick your superstition and enjoy it. *smirks* Kind of like religion...
As I actually have the evening off for once I- *head tilts* well, actually I've been a bit busy most of it- but still, I'm going to take a bit to go back and reply to some comments, notes and such. *tips her hat* Enjoy your lovely evening, you lovely beasties. Try not to get bitten by any blood-sucking fiends of the night... unless you're into that sort of thing. Then, call me. And call me if you try that Stephanie Meyer thing, too... *grins* One love, fuzzyfucks.
Just a thought but, the mythos of "vampires" has been an interesting thing to me for the longest time. *sips her coke* Yes, yes, I know, lovely watchers... "Oh, Ashley, vampires are so over-done in modern culture... blee-blah-blippidy-bloop", go mail a photocopy of your junk to Stephanie Meyer if it makes you feel better. Just don't say I told you to. There are still hundreds of interesting stories built on these characters and plotting the change of their construction and function throughout the history of the world makes for a very fascinating evening...
Much like "The Devil", depending upon where you're from, what culture you're raised in, the idea of a "vampire" generally exists in some form or another and they all seem to have different rules of engagement. Some look just like they did in life, some hold the pallor of the grave, some are blackened and distended, bloated corpses, some glitter in the sunlight... apparently...*ahem*... ALL have different other-worldly ties and abilities, limitations and liabilities.
Some of these are funny as V.P. pence's chances in a pride parade when you think about it, just a wee bit... *snickers* Like, por ejemplo, the whole "casts no reflection" thing. How's that work? *grins, nomming on a french-fry* If light doesn't bounce off them to create a reflection, how do they see? If it's just "magick" then, how do they shave? Or cut their hair? Can a camera take their picture? What about a video camera? Could you not see one through a telescope? Or a periscope? Certain types of binoculars and gun sights? Could they not game on kinect for their XBOX 360? Could they not use Skype for chats? Or post videos to youtube? What waves do and don't interact with their bodies? Could a GPS not- Y'see where this kind of nit-picky bullshit will take you when you just start thinking about it? *laughs*
Best not to do so, methinks. Just pick your superstition and enjoy it. *smirks* Kind of like religion...
As I actually have the evening off for once I- *head tilts* well, actually I've been a bit busy most of it- but still, I'm going to take a bit to go back and reply to some comments, notes and such. *tips her hat* Enjoy your lovely evening, you lovely beasties. Try not to get bitten by any blood-sucking fiends of the night... unless you're into that sort of thing. Then, call me. And call me if you try that Stephanie Meyer thing, too... *grins* One love, fuzzyfucks.
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You make me wonder than, sexy-buns...How did they get their make up on before now...? I know many of the old tales paint vamps as being aristocratic and the "nobles" of most cultures tended towards primping themselves up as peacock prostitutes on prom-night...
*titters* All the same, interesting visual image in my head now. Thank you, lover.
*titters* All the same, interesting visual image in my head now. Thank you, lover.
That is a good point, I suppose. It's a pretty good workaround as well. S'not like Dracula could slim up that sweet goatee on his own or had time to go out shopping to get those sexy little blue shades...
*glares around the room* That's right! Gary Oldman was sexy as fuck in that movie! Come at me if yer hard enough you tits!
*glares around the room* That's right! Gary Oldman was sexy as fuck in that movie! Come at me if yer hard enough you tits!
Oo- yes! I was re-reading that earlier, formulating a response. I didn't even see that you'd sent it until it had been... erf.. maybe eleven hours or so after you already had. I apologize. I've just been getting back to people on so many things this eve/morn I hadn't had the time to properly compose my reply.
Thank you for sending me to your work though, love. I'm touched that you'd consider my views so worthwhile.
Thank you for sending me to your work though, love. I'm touched that you'd consider my views so worthwhile.
It is in my wheelhouse, yes, love. Much like that last link you sent me... *smirks wickedly*
I just sent off my reply, btw. I hope it's what you were looking for, maybe helpful, maybe useful...
I can definitely feel ya on the whole issue of phones and their wizarding ways... I think they're all Slytherins personally... secretly plotting against the rest of us in the name of "He-who-must-not-be-named"... or trump, either way, the bastards only do what I'd swear I'm telling them to do half the goddamned time.
I just sent off my reply, btw. I hope it's what you were looking for, maybe helpful, maybe useful...
I can definitely feel ya on the whole issue of phones and their wizarding ways... I think they're all Slytherins personally... secretly plotting against the rest of us in the name of "He-who-must-not-be-named"... or trump, either way, the bastards only do what I'd swear I'm telling them to do half the goddamned time.
Oh, Marmalade Tyrant... if only you'd actually attempted that killing curse on Bernie's mum when he was still an infant, thus you'd be vulnerable to 'the prophecy' now, despite your soul being split into... I dunno... a bjillion pieces, hidden in the horcruxes of your godawful executive orders....
Or was it his tweets? *shrugs* I'unno... The metaphor's a bit stretched... what was I saying... Fuck trump? .... that works...
VAMPIRES! This was about vampires... *scritches at her chin* Got sidetracked there... OH! You sent me a link? I'd be honored to look over it, love. Thank you. I may need a moment, however... My apologies.
Or was it his tweets? *shrugs* I'unno... The metaphor's a bit stretched... what was I saying... Fuck trump? .... that works...
VAMPIRES! This was about vampires... *scritches at her chin* Got sidetracked there... OH! You sent me a link? I'd be honored to look over it, love. Thank you. I may need a moment, however... My apologies.
Okay, 'nother point brought to mind by that one...
I was thinking about that point, exactly, that ancient peoples and some cultures to this day, I believe, still use highly polished bronze or brass, copper even to make mirrors. *head tilts* SO, discounting the issue of silver, just thinking on this point here... I recall the concept of the "Archimedes Death Ray" in which the combined might of multiple reflected waves pf light from mirrored shields would scorch the pants off of an enemy... If the vampire cast no reflection in the mirror itself, would the mirror be unable to find purchase upon the vampire..?
Not so much a nit-pick here as a curiosity worthy of hunting down a hemoglobin-hunting Hungarian nobleman and seeing if he'd be game for an experiment...
And on the issue of silver, I've read that it began as a notion of silver being unable to catch their reflection because it was the metal paid to Judas as the bounty for Jesus... but what if the vampire was an atheist, or buddhist, maybe jewish...?
I was thinking about that point, exactly, that ancient peoples and some cultures to this day, I believe, still use highly polished bronze or brass, copper even to make mirrors. *head tilts* SO, discounting the issue of silver, just thinking on this point here... I recall the concept of the "Archimedes Death Ray" in which the combined might of multiple reflected waves pf light from mirrored shields would scorch the pants off of an enemy... If the vampire cast no reflection in the mirror itself, would the mirror be unable to find purchase upon the vampire..?
Not so much a nit-pick here as a curiosity worthy of hunting down a hemoglobin-hunting Hungarian nobleman and seeing if he'd be game for an experiment...
And on the issue of silver, I've read that it began as a notion of silver being unable to catch their reflection because it was the metal paid to Judas as the bounty for Jesus... but what if the vampire was an atheist, or buddhist, maybe jewish...?
Well the entire context of undead being unholy is a religious concept to begin with, so I'm sure belonging to any other school of thought would bring far more problems than just the silver.
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To come back to the whole Archimedes death ray (which was debunked by the mythbusters, bless their souls :B ) I'm sure it would work on vampires.
Simply because, well, they fear sunlight anyway.
The light coming from the sun is holy as heck, so the silver will bounce it to where it needs to go, no problems. However, the vampire won't be able to look at himself in their shields, though. :P
Speaking of mirrored shields.
I wonder if Medusa was unholy enough to not show up in a mirror? Perseus' plan would have gone differently.
(gosh this conversion is getting geekier and geekier)
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To come back to the whole Archimedes death ray (which was debunked by the mythbusters, bless their souls :B ) I'm sure it would work on vampires.
Simply because, well, they fear sunlight anyway.
The light coming from the sun is holy as heck, so the silver will bounce it to where it needs to go, no problems. However, the vampire won't be able to look at himself in their shields, though. :P
Speaking of mirrored shields.
I wonder if Medusa was unholy enough to not show up in a mirror? Perseus' plan would have gone differently.
(gosh this conversion is getting geekier and geekier)
*eyes over her glasses* Mmn-Hmmn. S'all good. Butts... *snerks*
It was actually the Mythbusters thingie I was thinking about when I was tip-typing that earlier. Just the notion of the light from the vampire's body not reflecting in the mirror possibly being equivalent to the light returning from the mirror not finding a point to connect with the vampire. Sunlight or not, could be fluorescent lights, I dunno, there's just some suburb in my brain that's not completing the math... Maybe I'm just tired... *shrugs* That would explain why my brain is doing things in the pants toaster potatoes and fuel nozzles...
Though on the issue of sunlight *big dorky nerd eyes* Would it really work on vampires? I mean... if we're going by the whole notion of it being 'holy', as is the generally accepted notion, the sun was represented by my girl, Lucifer, the Morning Star. So... is it really? She was the most perfect angel and all, but most 'old world' accounts of vampires mark them as evil because of their ties to 'the devil' or hell... so, I'm getting some major mixed messages...
Now, I dunno about a Medusa... (whom I am currently coloring in an image of, BTW... *grins* You spyin' on me, lover?) As you mentioned, Perseus did the legwork for us on that one. *smirks* With your earlier reference, I'm now picturing him in a "I reject your reality and substitute my own" T-shirt and talking to the camera as the gorgon slinks around in the background...
...but I am curious about Alucard! *sets her chin* Maybe not the one from "Helsing" but definitely the "Vega meets Hans Taubeman by way of Final Fantasy VI" version... He was always a rather clean-shaven fellow... his old man was raher hirsuite so, I'm doubting he was naturlly so very hairless... there was some grooming going on there... Could he maybe... kinda see himself...?
It was actually the Mythbusters thingie I was thinking about when I was tip-typing that earlier. Just the notion of the light from the vampire's body not reflecting in the mirror possibly being equivalent to the light returning from the mirror not finding a point to connect with the vampire. Sunlight or not, could be fluorescent lights, I dunno, there's just some suburb in my brain that's not completing the math... Maybe I'm just tired... *shrugs* That would explain why my brain is doing things in the pants toaster potatoes and fuel nozzles...
Though on the issue of sunlight *big dorky nerd eyes* Would it really work on vampires? I mean... if we're going by the whole notion of it being 'holy', as is the generally accepted notion, the sun was represented by my girl, Lucifer, the Morning Star. So... is it really? She was the most perfect angel and all, but most 'old world' accounts of vampires mark them as evil because of their ties to 'the devil' or hell... so, I'm getting some major mixed messages...
Now, I dunno about a Medusa... (whom I am currently coloring in an image of, BTW... *grins* You spyin' on me, lover?) As you mentioned, Perseus did the legwork for us on that one. *smirks* With your earlier reference, I'm now picturing him in a "I reject your reality and substitute my own" T-shirt and talking to the camera as the gorgon slinks around in the background...
...but I am curious about Alucard! *sets her chin* Maybe not the one from "Helsing" but definitely the "Vega meets Hans Taubeman by way of Final Fantasy VI" version... He was always a rather clean-shaven fellow... his old man was raher hirsuite so, I'm doubting he was naturlly so very hairless... there was some grooming going on there... Could he maybe... kinda see himself...?
Your brain is weird but I like it so.
I think we can safely rule out any account of the church on what is holy and what is not as one big load of crock, really. :P Much as I dislike disregard the old "proper" vampire myths (as a means of rebelling against modern day sparkly vampires and whatnot) I prefer following what little scientific facts and leads there are to observe in this instead of theological rhetoric. So don't fret, I'm cool with ol' Lou.
Also I wish I was spying on you, there are things I'd enjoy seeing.
Well if he's completely hairless maybe he just shaved every single square inch of his face a few times over to make sure he never missed a spot. Between you and me, I can speak from personal experience that being clean shaven is a lot less work than grooming a well-kept beard. So I can see how it would be appealing to either just let it grow or shave it all off if you couldn't see yourself. :P
I think we can safely rule out any account of the church on what is holy and what is not as one big load of crock, really. :P Much as I dislike disregard the old "proper" vampire myths (as a means of rebelling against modern day sparkly vampires and whatnot) I prefer following what little scientific facts and leads there are to observe in this instead of theological rhetoric. So don't fret, I'm cool with ol' Lou.
Also I wish I was spying on you, there are things I'd enjoy seeing.
Well if he's completely hairless maybe he just shaved every single square inch of his face a few times over to make sure he never missed a spot. Between you and me, I can speak from personal experience that being clean shaven is a lot less work than grooming a well-kept beard. So I can see how it would be appealing to either just let it grow or shave it all off if you couldn't see yourself. :P
That works out well, lover. I think my brain' rather fond of you as well, banana-nut fruit roll ups and static. *shakes her head*
I think you make a good point on Alucard and his dipilitory habits. I'm not one to throw about terms like "poncey" or such but... let's describe Dracula's most famous son... *removes her hat* Sorry, "D"... homeboy's gotcha beat on this one... anywhoop, Ol' Al's always seemed to me to be that kind of fellow, the more fancy sort... the-"I don't care what you think about my haircut, it just happened to cost $800 because that's what they cost, did I mention it cost $800 bee-tee-dubs?"-kind. I could see him actually taking the time to shave every lil' nook, cranny and roaming fun-spot to a friction-less perfection... I have a little figurine of that fellow... I'd swear he has to be wearing at least five layers, not including accessories and his tortured, lonely, creature-of-the-night bling...
Not thatere's anything wrong with a man wanting to look... *smiles, removes her glasses and eyes you* 'appealing'... let's say.
Oo- 'nother thought! *big eyes* Much like when a vampire takes off/puts on clothes and wondering when they become visible or invisible in a mirror... what about their beards? If a vampire shaves, do his beard trimmings retain invisibility to mirrors power or does it only count if they're still attached? Could a patient person collect enough discarded secondary sex-characteristic to maybe make some manner of semi-invisibility-cloak?
I think you make a good point on Alucard and his dipilitory habits. I'm not one to throw about terms like "poncey" or such but... let's describe Dracula's most famous son... *removes her hat* Sorry, "D"... homeboy's gotcha beat on this one... anywhoop, Ol' Al's always seemed to me to be that kind of fellow, the more fancy sort... the-"I don't care what you think about my haircut, it just happened to cost $800 because that's what they cost, did I mention it cost $800 bee-tee-dubs?"-kind. I could see him actually taking the time to shave every lil' nook, cranny and roaming fun-spot to a friction-less perfection... I have a little figurine of that fellow... I'd swear he has to be wearing at least five layers, not including accessories and his tortured, lonely, creature-of-the-night bling...
Not thatere's anything wrong with a man wanting to look... *smiles, removes her glasses and eyes you* 'appealing'... let's say.
Oo- 'nother thought! *big eyes* Much like when a vampire takes off/puts on clothes and wondering when they become visible or invisible in a mirror... what about their beards? If a vampire shaves, do his beard trimmings retain invisibility to mirrors power or does it only count if they're still attached? Could a patient person collect enough discarded secondary sex-characteristic to maybe make some manner of semi-invisibility-cloak?
I'll take your brain out on a date, then.
And I don't know why you're looking at me like that. Surely you don't mean to say that I'm- *strikes a pose* -appealing, do you? = 3°
True, you never see a vampire's clothes in mirrors, so it's like the mirror rejects the vampire as an entire being rather than its parts. so I don't think collecting hair and fiber from their body would work. Because then why couldn't you do the same by stealing their clothes? But then again, I don't think anybody ever bothered to try and look at a vampire's discarded clothes in a mirror.
does every thing that a vampire picks up automatically gains the "reflection invisibility" magical trait? How much of a bonus is that, I wonder?
Get an entire set and you can be invisible! ...In a mirror maze, anyway.
And I don't know why you're looking at me like that. Surely you don't mean to say that I'm- *strikes a pose* -appealing, do you? = 3°
True, you never see a vampire's clothes in mirrors, so it's like the mirror rejects the vampire as an entire being rather than its parts. so I don't think collecting hair and fiber from their body would work. Because then why couldn't you do the same by stealing their clothes? But then again, I don't think anybody ever bothered to try and look at a vampire's discarded clothes in a mirror.
does every thing that a vampire picks up automatically gains the "reflection invisibility" magical trait? How much of a bonus is that, I wonder?
Get an entire set and you can be invisible! ...In a mirror maze, anyway.
*eyebrow arcs* But what will that leave you to do with the rest of me, love? *eyes narrow as her grin broadens* "appealing" works a bit .... differently for me, I believe you know that. *smirks*
This conversation is taking on a different flavour of nerd now, approaching the borders of MMORPG territory, Cap'n. I'm feeling the need to open a side window and check to see how many pieces of the "Vampire's Raiments" set I've picked up and weight the benefit of their individual bonuses against what I'm currently using and what the total benefit will be for the whole set versus what I'll lose by switching over...
*murrs playfully* See what you've made me do...
This conversation is taking on a different flavour of nerd now, approaching the borders of MMORPG territory, Cap'n. I'm feeling the need to open a side window and check to see how many pieces of the "Vampire's Raiments" set I've picked up and weight the benefit of their individual bonuses against what I'm currently using and what the total benefit will be for the whole set versus what I'll lose by switching over...
*murrs playfully* See what you've made me do...
Do you really want to hear what I would do with the rest of you? *waggles eyebrows*
Your current sets seems to be boasting a really broken and overpowered charisma bonus. (Albeit not much armor class) so I guess it's a no brainer.
Unless you're like me and the physical appearance of your gear plays a part in the final decision making.
Your current sets seems to be boasting a really broken and overpowered charisma bonus. (Albeit not much armor class) so I guess it's a no brainer.
Unless you're like me and the physical appearance of your gear plays a part in the final decision making.
The makeup difficulty was addressed in a joke on Perry Bible Fellowship back in the day. Damn, looks like Gurowich did another pruning of the site so I can't link the comic.
"But the other girls all wear makeup!"
"Ze other girls can see what the hell zey are doing!" *points to the mirror, where she casts no reflection, and her makeup is thus splattered*
"But the other girls all wear makeup!"
"Ze other girls can see what the hell zey are doing!" *points to the mirror, where she casts no reflection, and her makeup is thus splattered*
That made me think if they can't have a reflection then wouldn't they not cast shadows. I guess they could be supernatural and cause hallucination in a victim to make them see a vampire but unable to simulate more then one vampire when mirrors come into the mix. I guess if that was the case then maybe they couldn't cause hallucination in a camera so they can't show up.
I've had a similar query on the matter. If light doesn't bounce off of them to cast reflections in other objects, how could anyone see them at all?
Like I said, I know it's being nit-picky and past a certain point it's just one of those things you have to write up to as "Magick" and shrug but much like anything worth nerding about, it's still fun to pick at in good fun, especially when you start contrasting how 'vampires' can be so different in almost every way from culture to culture.
I believe in some Indian legends they were more likened to 'ghouls', eating the flesh of the dead instead of drinking the blood of the living but in most all other ways they resembled the European idea of 'vampires', walking about appearing as they did in life, hypnotic stare, avoiding the sunlight, etc. You'd think their friends and neighbors might notice the kind of breath you'd get from chowing down on corpses every night or so. *smirks* Not that I have much experience on the matter but I'm thinking it's the kind of breath an ALtoid is not going to fight off before date-night.
Like I said, I know it's being nit-picky and past a certain point it's just one of those things you have to write up to as "Magick" and shrug but much like anything worth nerding about, it's still fun to pick at in good fun, especially when you start contrasting how 'vampires' can be so different in almost every way from culture to culture.
I believe in some Indian legends they were more likened to 'ghouls', eating the flesh of the dead instead of drinking the blood of the living but in most all other ways they resembled the European idea of 'vampires', walking about appearing as they did in life, hypnotic stare, avoiding the sunlight, etc. You'd think their friends and neighbors might notice the kind of breath you'd get from chowing down on corpses every night or so. *smirks* Not that I have much experience on the matter but I'm thinking it's the kind of breath an ALtoid is not going to fight off before date-night.
Okay, this also.... is it always whatever clothes they're wearing or does it have to be the clothes they were 'turned' in? What's the defining difference? If they change clothes in front of a mirror, at what point do the clothes they're wearing become visible and at what point do the clothes they're changing into disappear...? If they take off their clothes, do the clothes become visible and freak the fuck out of the security guard watching the video because their vampire clothes just appeared out of thin air n the changing room of "Forever 21"..?
*big eyes* I wanna know this shit!
*big eyes* I wanna know this shit!
Gods,sparkly vampires.... *Shakes head* In my personal opinion on that subject is that the 'vampires' weren't this-instead they where vampiric fairies,which actually come up widely in very old stories and lore. They could sparkle,some where very fast,where able to seduce men(or woman),drank human or animal blood. There is even an old myth surrounding fairies saying that they are offspring of lillith or even hidden children of eve. Therefore this would also give them special 'powers'. On top of all of this a lot of vampire myth is also quite linked to vampires in some countries,even Dracula in Ireland. But on the subject of the reasoning as to why they couldn't see themselves in mirrors was due to the silver lining the backs of mirrors,as the other person stated above. Silver supposedly being (according to the church) a pure and holy thing that will not reflect anything evil and this is why holy water is often stored inside of silver flasks,why crosses are silver,and even the same with silver bullets hurting werewolves. Because these creatures are considered evil and in some cases 'devils' or 'demons',therefore silver being this 'holy' thing would hurt,kill,and or repel them.
You make a good point, dear demon, one I touched on only a little in the opening info. From culture to culture the myth of the vampire changes pretty goddamn drastically. I think it's in Greece, the "Vrykolykus" was a grotesquely bloated monstrosity which returned from the grave and behaved much as the more Western European vampires did in some tales, more like the revenant in others.... and on that point, there's that lovely question of 'what is holy?' and how this relates to vampires. I know from my Hammer classics that if you take into account just a smattering of all the "holy" items from christian mythology, vampires are in for a shitty existence... *sighs sadly*
But what about the 'holy' icons and materials from other religions? Would William's image of The Morrigan's Rainbow-hued Blade keep a vampire at bay? Would my Sigil of Baphomet? Could Jami stab one with his Pentacle and it burst into flames...?
Poor undead beggars... given the choice, I'd almost rather just be the sparkly kind.... I mean... *eyes go wide* Sure, you'd suck... but at least you could exist...
But what about the 'holy' icons and materials from other religions? Would William's image of The Morrigan's Rainbow-hued Blade keep a vampire at bay? Would my Sigil of Baphomet? Could Jami stab one with his Pentacle and it burst into flames...?
Poor undead beggars... given the choice, I'd almost rather just be the sparkly kind.... I mean... *eyes go wide* Sure, you'd suck... but at least you could exist...
*Nods* I've got no life so I am quite fond of reading up on lore's of many creatures of mythology,its neat to see all the takes on them from different cultures. That is a very good question though... But then again we also have to take in to account that vampires have literally been around since B.C and originally where not considered the vampires of today,they more where considered among the supernatural (like demons or specters) such as "Utukku" in Babylonia,which was the soul of a dead person who was unable to find rest in death. So if we stand on this and on top of the fact that once again,vampires are extremely different in other cultures then they'd of course have different things considered 'holy' to them,as not all cultures are christian. On top of things that would repel or kill them. There are even vampires (considered mostly vampiric demons) that fear pagan gods or flee when attacked with witchcraft. In fact demons were driven out of villages by witches and shamans long before Christianity.
*Tips head to the side* So the ways of vampires from different regions is different in their versions of how they're taken care of,what they fear,what they look like,and even what they are. So in some cases yes,they may be warded off by your sigil of Baphomet,and its possible if the Pentacle was made of the right substance that it could in fact kill that particular version of vampire. *Raises a paw and shrugs* Its practically limitless.
I'd say that the easiest way around all of that is to be a vampire of specific origin in an area that doesn't know how to kill your specific type,therefore unless someone got lucky,they'd be screwed and you'd be good.
*Tips head to the side* So the ways of vampires from different regions is different in their versions of how they're taken care of,what they fear,what they look like,and even what they are. So in some cases yes,they may be warded off by your sigil of Baphomet,and its possible if the Pentacle was made of the right substance that it could in fact kill that particular version of vampire. *Raises a paw and shrugs* Its practically limitless.
I'd say that the easiest way around all of that is to be a vampire of specific origin in an area that doesn't know how to kill your specific type,therefore unless someone got lucky,they'd be screwed and you'd be good.
I do like your lemon-styles, dear demon.... *titters*
I'm reminded of an old issue the X-men comics which I thought was an interesting if not a little short-sighted, take on the subject. In it, Dracula burns his hand when attempting to grab Kitty and he touches her Star of David. At a later point, Wolverine, an atheist, attempts to utilize a cross against him to no avail which Nightcrawler, a follower of a unnamed denomination of chiristianity at the time, immediately picks up and achieves the standard expected result. I can see the notion of the individual's belief in a symbol being the catalyst that grants it it's unique magick power but this seems to be a loophole the right person could drive a Mack truck through. *grins* Some poor beggar out of his gourd might pray to his foot and utilize his big toe against a vampire... donald trump could probably wave money at one... Certain folkes from across the vast reaches of internet space and time might wave a McDonald's Pinkie-pie toy at him... seems far too open to interpretation to me...
You bring up a great point, I think, one of a different much more serious and *cackles* fun discussion, pertaining to the origins of myths, magicks and 'miracles' which all pre-date christianity but were all also co-opted by a variety of cultures to better fit into their own growing understanding of the world in a way which they might find more... palatable...
I'm reminded of an old issue the X-men comics which I thought was an interesting if not a little short-sighted, take on the subject. In it, Dracula burns his hand when attempting to grab Kitty and he touches her Star of David. At a later point, Wolverine, an atheist, attempts to utilize a cross against him to no avail which Nightcrawler, a follower of a unnamed denomination of chiristianity at the time, immediately picks up and achieves the standard expected result. I can see the notion of the individual's belief in a symbol being the catalyst that grants it it's unique magick power but this seems to be a loophole the right person could drive a Mack truck through. *grins* Some poor beggar out of his gourd might pray to his foot and utilize his big toe against a vampire... donald trump could probably wave money at one... Certain folkes from across the vast reaches of internet space and time might wave a McDonald's Pinkie-pie toy at him... seems far too open to interpretation to me...
You bring up a great point, I think, one of a different much more serious and *cackles* fun discussion, pertaining to the origins of myths, magicks and 'miracles' which all pre-date christianity but were all also co-opted by a variety of cultures to better fit into their own growing understanding of the world in a way which they might find more... palatable...
Mmm... *Taps a claw to her chin* Yahhh,I wouldn't see that as a good way to truly go about something... As you stated,far too open for interpretation. Because what may be holy,or their 'god' could simply be a moment of desperation. Hell you could make a toilet your god and if the vampire sat on it to take a shit in that situation he'd burn up. Easy cleanup at least... *Snerks* But still.
Oh but these kinds of discussions are always fun. *Grins* Yah,there are so many things that other religions have stolen for use of their own or as you stated make more palatable... Its not so much I would say growing understanding of the world,as they don't like the views or they believe their invisible person in the sky or ways are better. *Scrunches face slightly* Humans are just fickle creatures..
Oh but these kinds of discussions are always fun. *Grins* Yah,there are so many things that other religions have stolen for use of their own or as you stated make more palatable... Its not so much I would say growing understanding of the world,as they don't like the views or they believe their invisible person in the sky or ways are better. *Scrunches face slightly* Humans are just fickle creatures..
To touch on the silver thing mentioned earlier - you suppose that'd mean they wouldn't photograph well, though? I think I recall a silver compound being used in photography to some degree. No idea if it's in use in photography or film these days, though...
I've read at least one vampire story where not showing up on film was something of a plot point, though.
I've read at least one vampire story where not showing up on film was something of a plot point, though.
Okay- see- *big eyes* That was my point on this! *rubs at her neck*
I'm no expert on cameras, and I'm not calling anyone a liar here for disagreeing with me, only done some repair work for NAMCO a few years back in arcades and some minor work on vision systems, but I could swear that at least in some cameras, either video or old-fashioned film... type... erf... whassa word for... anypoop... some kinds of cameras at least had mirrors or reflective surfaces somewhere in the process of taking in the image and transferring it to whatever medium they did...
I'm no expert on cameras, and I'm not calling anyone a liar here for disagreeing with me, only done some repair work for NAMCO a few years back in arcades and some minor work on vision systems, but I could swear that at least in some cameras, either video or old-fashioned film... type... erf... whassa word for... anypoop... some kinds of cameras at least had mirrors or reflective surfaces somewhere in the process of taking in the image and transferring it to whatever medium they did...
You know, I forgot to mention that not only do I like this look you've got going on with the black hair and red lipstick, but it reminded me of a song I've been singing all month.
Raven hair and ruby lips,
Sparks fly from her fingertips,
Echoed voices in the night,
She's a restless spirit on an endless flight,
Whoo-hoo, Witchy Woman,
See how high she flies,
Whoo-hoo, Witchy Woman,
She's got the moon in her eyes
Happy Halloween, you enchantress you~
Raven hair and ruby lips,
Sparks fly from her fingertips,
Echoed voices in the night,
She's a restless spirit on an endless flight,
Whoo-hoo, Witchy Woman,
See how high she flies,
Whoo-hoo, Witchy Woman,
She's got the moon in her eyes
Happy Halloween, you enchantress you~
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