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It's the centennial of the October Revolution, everyone!
100 years ago today, the world changed forever. The Russian Revolution showed that another world was possible, one free of bigotry, poverty, war, and starvation.
Sadly, after Lenin's death, and the failures of the other uprisings throughout the world, a demagogue who appealed to base prejudices and blind patriotism took over and took power away from the People and put it in the hands of his cronies. Rule by feudal lords was merely replaced with rule by high-ranking Party members.
A century after the Revolution, it's clear that the system isn't working. Or more accurately, it's working for the super-rich, the bankers, the CEOs, and the military-industrial complex, but not for us. And without a strong leftist movement to channel working class rage against the system, a lot of people will flock to those who appeal to base prejudices and blind patriotism, using revolutionary rhetoric but to maintain the system that oppresses workers. The United States elected one of those demagogues almost a year ago. Had there been a leftist alternative, such as the socialist senator from Vermont who ran in the Democratic Primaries, the Dems probably would have won the presidency.
Both the leftist alternative to the Establishment order and the right-wing populist demagogue influenced me to join the Democratic Socialists of America, currently the largest socialist group in the United States with over 30,000 members, many of whom joined after the 2016 election such as myself. Btw, the logo in the background of that image is the DSA logo.
If you'd like to fight for a better world, I'd recommend joining us here: https://dsausa.nationbuilder.com/join
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Workers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains!
100 years ago today, the world changed forever. The Russian Revolution showed that another world was possible, one free of bigotry, poverty, war, and starvation.
Sadly, after Lenin's death, and the failures of the other uprisings throughout the world, a demagogue who appealed to base prejudices and blind patriotism took over and took power away from the People and put it in the hands of his cronies. Rule by feudal lords was merely replaced with rule by high-ranking Party members.
A century after the Revolution, it's clear that the system isn't working. Or more accurately, it's working for the super-rich, the bankers, the CEOs, and the military-industrial complex, but not for us. And without a strong leftist movement to channel working class rage against the system, a lot of people will flock to those who appeal to base prejudices and blind patriotism, using revolutionary rhetoric but to maintain the system that oppresses workers. The United States elected one of those demagogues almost a year ago. Had there been a leftist alternative, such as the socialist senator from Vermont who ran in the Democratic Primaries, the Dems probably would have won the presidency.
Both the leftist alternative to the Establishment order and the right-wing populist demagogue influenced me to join the Democratic Socialists of America, currently the largest socialist group in the United States with over 30,000 members, many of whom joined after the 2016 election such as myself. Btw, the logo in the background of that image is the DSA logo.
If you'd like to fight for a better world, I'd recommend joining us here: https://dsausa.nationbuilder.com/join
Anyway,
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The executions in Russia started under Lenin, Stalin was just a bit worse and lived much longer, He was just as much a monster as any of the leaders of these "Utopian" revolutions. Nazi Germany, Communist Cuba, Maoist china, Pol Pots Cambodia, etc etc all the same in the end
Funny how people call Trump a warmonger and who was it whom bombed Libya?
The fact is that Obama supporters are people who cling to the belief that he is a deity who can do no wrong. And they wonder why the Republican made a roaring comeback after 2008. One thing about Trump-he isn't a big phony like Obama is.
The fact is that Obama supporters are people who cling to the belief that he is a deity who can do no wrong. And they wonder why the Republican made a roaring comeback after 2008. One thing about Trump-he isn't a big phony like Obama is.
Oh side note. No starvation? The Holodomor was a thing, about 7-12 million starved to death, and that's the same trend you anywhere with these red revolutions. Look, it's a neat idea, but far from revolutionary, communism is a failure, Marx was wrong on core principals such as primitive communism, and history shows what happens when the ideas are implemented, literally never has worked without a few million or more dead via executions and starvation. Nazis were terrible as well, but the communists were just as brutal.
I am curious how he was wrong about primitive communism. No, really I am legitimately interested. Like was he wrong that hunter-gather societies were generally communal? Granted, you could argue that communism couldn't work with a group larger than a small tribe. That is an understandable counterargument.
Primitive societies were hunters and gatherers, yes, until around 12000 years ago, But back in Marx's day they didn't have the archaeological findings to show exactly the extent of the societies they had. The truth is, there was Hierarchy. Tribes had bands, and those bands all worked together in the tribe sure, but there was direction, there was leading, and not everyone was completely equal. Not to mention there was private ownership of possessions within tribes, they had their own living spaces, and even had their own ancestral shrines, where they left possessions etc etc etc, dating back really as far as we can see this has been the case, as well as is the case with modern tribes that are relatively untouched. So you can argue that they were "communal" in a sense, really the same way you can argue any society is technically communal in some ways, but primitive communism, is false. Had marx and eagles lived about 75 years later, they'd have seen that.
First off, I should point out that Bakunin was the anarchist, not Marx. Communism isn't necessarily against all hierarchy. And even anarchists would say that those who can prove they're an authority on something (like farming or hunting) should have the authority on that. Also, when socialists talk about "private property" they really mean firms, resources, etc. that are owned by one person who hires workers to make money for him. Socialists would argue that the workers would do just fine without that one person owning the firm and they could all own the firm. We already have some examples of that IRL in the form of workers' cooperatives and cooperative housing.
Essentially, I don't really see how this explanation debunks the notion of primitive communism.
And one more thing, it's Engels, not "eagles." I dunno if that was autocorrect but just sayin'
Essentially, I don't really see how this explanation debunks the notion of primitive communism.
And one more thing, it's Engels, not "eagles." I dunno if that was autocorrect but just sayin'
I never said Marx was an anarchist, he obviously wasn't. And how can you not see how that debunks primitive communism? Primitive communism was a building block of the communist manifesto, and in it, He claims primitive societies were completely communal, they were equal all within their tribe, and didn't care for private possessions, he said they had a common ownership, as well as lived in an egalitarian society, which also is not the case. all of that was debunked in the early 1900's
and yesyes, that was auto correct trying to correct, and getting it even more wrong than my fingers did
and yesyes, that was auto correct trying to correct, and getting it even more wrong than my fingers did
I'll have to look more into it.
It's nice you're arguing with me in good faith instead of just saying I should die or anything like that.
Also since I presume you're not some super-wealthy CEO hiding a ton of money in offshore bank accounts, you'd probably be fine in a socialist revolution. The internet really isn't a good place to have discussions on this stuff, and certainly not on a furry website. I feel like if I were discussing this with the commenters IRL at, say, a furcon, it would be very different.
It's nice you're arguing with me in good faith instead of just saying I should die or anything like that.
Also since I presume you're not some super-wealthy CEO hiding a ton of money in offshore bank accounts, you'd probably be fine in a socialist revolution. The internet really isn't a good place to have discussions on this stuff, and certainly not on a furry website. I feel like if I were discussing this with the commenters IRL at, say, a furcon, it would be very different.
That you should! and I should brush up on it as well! Been a while since I been over this stuff. I have the pdf for a few of marx's works and rosa luxemburg as well, I have "utopia" by sir thomas more, pretty much the world's first communist there.
And yeah I'll agree! I don't think anyone should "die" for their beliefs unless that person is holding a gun to someone's head in the most literal way lol And you're right, I'm not wealthy! at the moment im lower middle class, but I remember living in a 1 story house with another family when I was a kid, and my father chasing jobs from NY to VA. we moved about 9 times, was a bit rough. And true! the internet isn't the best place for it, i'd love to chat with ya sometime further on this, maybe at a furry con like ya say~! would be fun :)
Though I will say i could not see myself being a part of any socialist revolution. I'm center left, I had a few flirts with the edges of both sides though, I've hungout with communists and neo nazis alike.
And yeah I'll agree! I don't think anyone should "die" for their beliefs unless that person is holding a gun to someone's head in the most literal way lol And you're right, I'm not wealthy! at the moment im lower middle class, but I remember living in a 1 story house with another family when I was a kid, and my father chasing jobs from NY to VA. we moved about 9 times, was a bit rough. And true! the internet isn't the best place for it, i'd love to chat with ya sometime further on this, maybe at a furry con like ya say~! would be fun :)
Though I will say i could not see myself being a part of any socialist revolution. I'm center left, I had a few flirts with the edges of both sides though, I've hungout with communists and neo nazis alike.
So you seem to be pretty well-versed. I mean for one thing you actually read books which is a lot rarer than it was before social media and constant attention-grabbing stuff online.
And I also find it interesting to see how people got to their ideology. Like one thing that got me into socialism was reading about it in a newspaper called Socialist Worker that I bought at a political rally. At the time I knew I was somewhere on the Left but this solidified things for me. No talk about gulags or breadlines or any of the stuff I was taught in the education system. Then I learned that a lot of Americans such as Albert Einstein and Martin Luther King were socialists and I guess you could say I went down the rabbit hole like Neo.
One thing that solidified my socialist stance even further was my increasing disillusionment with the Democratic Party, seeing them as not much better than the Republicans when push came to shove. I also felt like centrist liberals tended to create this artificial divide between "identity politics" and class politics when the two are inseparable. And seeing how horribly the mainstream media treated Bernie was a big factor as well.
And to be honest this is really petty, but because my mom and I are constantly fighting and never see eye to eye, and she's borderline abusive, and she's a very big Clinton supporter, I sort of went to socialism in part because I couldn't stand hearing my mom trash Bernie and treat Bush like he wasn't a horrible president who should be tried for war crimes.
And I also find it interesting to see how people got to their ideology. Like one thing that got me into socialism was reading about it in a newspaper called Socialist Worker that I bought at a political rally. At the time I knew I was somewhere on the Left but this solidified things for me. No talk about gulags or breadlines or any of the stuff I was taught in the education system. Then I learned that a lot of Americans such as Albert Einstein and Martin Luther King were socialists and I guess you could say I went down the rabbit hole like Neo.
One thing that solidified my socialist stance even further was my increasing disillusionment with the Democratic Party, seeing them as not much better than the Republicans when push came to shove. I also felt like centrist liberals tended to create this artificial divide between "identity politics" and class politics when the two are inseparable. And seeing how horribly the mainstream media treated Bernie was a big factor as well.
And to be honest this is really petty, but because my mom and I are constantly fighting and never see eye to eye, and she's borderline abusive, and she's a very big Clinton supporter, I sort of went to socialism in part because I couldn't stand hearing my mom trash Bernie and treat Bush like he wasn't a horrible president who should be tried for war crimes.
I feel ya there! and I respect you as well for actually delving into the literature. Too many folks just read an with 4 paragraphs summarizing it and bam, they feel pretty confident that they know what's up lol and Ahh gotcha! that's very interesting. And I feel ya there, I know they don't talk about bread lines or executing this guy and that guy, and how great stalin was. Actually alot of communists that I know say they REALLY don't like stalin. But one thing that I learned from hanging out with the nazis, is no one ever talks about that. When I was hanging with the Hammer skins and vinlanders, they were open about how prejudice they were, but they never talked about killing anyone, they would say "we'll deport non whites" or "they can stay but as a demoted class", or "we don't want to exterminate anyone" which is really what was said in Germany as well. Hitler just made them wear the stars, then get to the ghettos, then deported some, then to the camps and we know what happened from there. The thing I learned is that people on the extreme left and right, are well intentioned but in my opinion very misguided individuals. They see a version of the world they think is better, and it never works out as planned. There's a great book about the progress of the exterminations in Germany called "Ordinary men" by Robert Browning, pretty much the book is the account of a Nazi police squad that was left in poland after the invasion, and they were ordinary dudes, middle aged, didn't grow up as a hitler youth, and at first they were told to round up the jewish males of certain ages and send them away, and by the end of it, they had taken all these little physiological steps bit by bit and eventually ended up executing men, women, children, etc. That's why when I look at history of something that has alot of blood, and someone says they won't do this or that, I believe if they were in power, little by little it would happen. History repeats, and things like Communism which has a historically 9/10 or 10/10 shot of mass executions and mass starvation, man I look at that and I think if I trusted them, id have a gun to the back of my head in a year or 2 given they get any power. There are already some antifa folks i've talked to, communists and anarcho communists who when I say these things, just call me a nazi or a fascist or a bigot or all of that.
And yes, there were alot of very intelligent socialists between 1900 and 1960ish but as well as on the other spectrum. Like Gary Kasparov, former world chess champion from the Soviet Union, very intelligent well versed man who is oppose to socialism after having lived in Communist Russia, there's very well meaning and very intelligent folks in nearly every inch of the political spectrum.
And I feel ya! I have no faith in any of the current options. I don't like the Republicans on alot of things, I don't like the democrats on alot of things, I there's alot of shit politics in this country and Europe as well. And oh yeah, bernie got screwed by the mainstream media and the clinton campaign as a whole. I liked bernie as a person, hated his politics to no end, but out of the 3 I felt he was the most genuine in what he said, I just hated what he said pretty much lol.
And ahh I feel ya! my father rambles about liberals and black people all day, so I understand having the parent who you just don't agree with. And Ill say, any part of you that went socialist in an emotional response to something, get rid of that part of yourself. Believe in what you feel is objectively the best, with no emotional attachments. Experiencing emotion can be beautiful and horrible, can influence us to push forward, create art, music, etc etc, but when it comes to anything logical, it will lead you far away from where you should be.
And yes, there were alot of very intelligent socialists between 1900 and 1960ish but as well as on the other spectrum. Like Gary Kasparov, former world chess champion from the Soviet Union, very intelligent well versed man who is oppose to socialism after having lived in Communist Russia, there's very well meaning and very intelligent folks in nearly every inch of the political spectrum.
And I feel ya! I have no faith in any of the current options. I don't like the Republicans on alot of things, I don't like the democrats on alot of things, I there's alot of shit politics in this country and Europe as well. And oh yeah, bernie got screwed by the mainstream media and the clinton campaign as a whole. I liked bernie as a person, hated his politics to no end, but out of the 3 I felt he was the most genuine in what he said, I just hated what he said pretty much lol.
And ahh I feel ya! my father rambles about liberals and black people all day, so I understand having the parent who you just don't agree with. And Ill say, any part of you that went socialist in an emotional response to something, get rid of that part of yourself. Believe in what you feel is objectively the best, with no emotional attachments. Experiencing emotion can be beautiful and horrible, can influence us to push forward, create art, music, etc etc, but when it comes to anything logical, it will lead you far away from where you should be.
That's interesting. I should see for example why pretty much every socialist revolution used the Stalinist model. Personally I would prefer not to have a bloodbath and instead gradually transition to socialism, in a sense so gradually the bourgeoisie don't even notice their obsolescence.
And while I would get accused of being a liberal on Leftbook for saying this, I think for Nazis who actually commit terrorism, they should just do life in a Norwegian style (humane) prison like Anders Breivik is doing. Hence why Thomas Paine, notable socialist Founding Father and supporter of the French Revolution, was against Robespierre's Reign of Terror, saying that it would be completely hypocritical for a society that's supposed to be "advanced" beyond feudalism to use barbaric feudalist forms of punishment.
And while I would get accused of being a liberal on Leftbook for saying this, I think for Nazis who actually commit terrorism, they should just do life in a Norwegian style (humane) prison like Anders Breivik is doing. Hence why Thomas Paine, notable socialist Founding Father and supporter of the French Revolution, was against Robespierre's Reign of Terror, saying that it would be completely hypocritical for a society that's supposed to be "advanced" beyond feudalism to use barbaric feudalist forms of punishment.
But you see, the smooth transition never happens. It's a line I hear alot, and a line that's been echoed often as well, but every time, for one reason or another, it ends with folks on their knees in a field with a gun to their head. Happens in the communist countries, and the national socialist as well, the Nazis. That being said, there would be resistance, folks don't tend to like having all they have worked for simply taken away. and what do you do with those folks if they resist? I have no faith that anything would run smooth in a transition. My mind goes to Milada Horakova, she was a Czech politician, member of the Socialist Democrats, and when the USSR rolled in on her country, and she opposed how things were being handled, the government simply planted Nazi flags through her house and arrested her for treason (She FOUGHT the Nazis in her home country during ww2) as well as around 200 other politicians who simply didn't like what was happening and voiced their opinion, and she was actually put to death. like I said, it keeps happening, always will.
And I agree! I've always been on and off with the death penalty for crimes such as that, less tax dollars going to housing and feeding them, but at the same time do we really get to make that call? and maybe he's a valuable tool finding out why some people take it to that next level of actually committing terrorism. But like I said, I haven't seen a full socialist nation/ communist nation yet that hasn't put folks to death, or imprisoned them simply for opposing the ideology. And I have some of Thomas Paines books as well! im actually a fan, even though I don't agree with him on certain things, I like him as a person and he makes some decent arguments. I derive alot of my ideas from on liberty, by John Mills, great book. But I trust Paine meant what he said, that he opposes the government killing. That being said though, Marx calls for a violent revolution as defining point of communism and everywhere we go, we see these death squads and prison camps with you get lay out the current ideals of modern full socialism and communism into action.
And I agree! I've always been on and off with the death penalty for crimes such as that, less tax dollars going to housing and feeding them, but at the same time do we really get to make that call? and maybe he's a valuable tool finding out why some people take it to that next level of actually committing terrorism. But like I said, I haven't seen a full socialist nation/ communist nation yet that hasn't put folks to death, or imprisoned them simply for opposing the ideology. And I have some of Thomas Paines books as well! im actually a fan, even though I don't agree with him on certain things, I like him as a person and he makes some decent arguments. I derive alot of my ideas from on liberty, by John Mills, great book. But I trust Paine meant what he said, that he opposes the government killing. That being said though, Marx calls for a violent revolution as defining point of communism and everywhere we go, we see these death squads and prison camps with you get lay out the current ideals of modern full socialism and communism into action.
Well you know except the USSR, or Cuba, Or Cambodia, or Maoist china, or North Korea, etc etc. Those failed on their own, no US coup needed. Now with Cuba the US tried, but nothing was successful. The most we did was throw an embargo on them. But lets take a look into the early years of these regimes. The USSR started their executions the year after the revolution, on massive scale, same with the Chinese and Koreans, as well as the Cubans, etc etc etc. in the early 1930's in the USSR, Holodomor happened, 12 million starved, due to Stalin selling off the food to foreign countries after eliminating the successful farming class they called the Kulaks by execution or sending them to the Gulags. In Maos china mass starvation started around the 50's Mao raged his retarded pest war around the same time only adding to the starvation, in Cambodia, Pol pot was only in power in general for about 4 years before he killed off a whopping near 25% of his countries population, and this goes on and on and on. Is it really the Americans fault? Seems like the Americans didnt have time to even notice the political shifts before people started dying.
Pol Pot did support the Khmer Rogue, but he was still communistic. His opposition to the Vietnamese communist regime, was plain and simple and actually nothing all that political. He hated the Vietnamese. I think the actual statistic even is little to no one of Vietnamese decent survived pol pots reign that was in cambodia.
And oh man, the US has made some HORRIBLE decisions, especially when it comes to the middle east. The US and England both have created this situation we see over there right now. I understand they 1 part want to stop communism and 2 part want that power and influence, and resources that comes with getting involved (assuming you're successful) but got damn, we should leave it. same with venezuela right now with the talk of wanting to get involved, just let it fall, it's going to do what it's going to do. You don't want a never ending situation in south america too.
And oh man, the US has made some HORRIBLE decisions, especially when it comes to the middle east. The US and England both have created this situation we see over there right now. I understand they 1 part want to stop communism and 2 part want that power and influence, and resources that comes with getting involved (assuming you're successful) but got damn, we should leave it. same with venezuela right now with the talk of wanting to get involved, just let it fall, it's going to do what it's going to do. You don't want a never ending situation in south america too.
The refugee crisis probably would not have happened had we not fucked up Syria to high heaven. A lot of the rise of both the far-right and the far-left is a result of the failures of the center to meet the needs of the People. And if there's no Left, people will inevitably go to the Right.
Venezuela will probably fail eventually unless it makes some kind of reform. Right now it's some weird sort of middleground that does neither the capitalism part nor the socialism part that well. So I feel like if anything it should just go full revolution, otherwise it will probably end up taking the capitalist road eventually. But even then, Socialism in One Country doesn't work.
Venezuela will probably fail eventually unless it makes some kind of reform. Right now it's some weird sort of middleground that does neither the capitalism part nor the socialism part that well. So I feel like if anything it should just go full revolution, otherwise it will probably end up taking the capitalist road eventually. But even then, Socialism in One Country doesn't work.
I totally agree, we wouldn't even have this horrible Islamic extremism issue, atleast not to this level. I mean Islam had a beautiful period around 800 with the house of wisdom in Baghdad, but after the mongols destroyed it, its been on a kinda backward trip for a while, but shit would be passable in the middle east right now without all the US, UK proxy conflicts, dating back to the 50's in Englands case.
I will disagree to a degree on that point of the ride of the far left and right. The center in this country going war hawking certainly caused a stir and planted to resentful seeds on the extreme wings, but at this point the far left and right are doing what they did the Wiemar republic and during the red brigades of Italy in the 70's, which is using eachother for propaganda. The far far left, atleast on the current popular trend seems to think Fascist's and Nazi's are rising up, and because of their stir, the far right is using the far left's violence as a call to action, That's why you see all these extreme left on the SJW brand causing some stirs years ago, when the KKK was near dead and nazi party of america only had 400 members nationwide, as well as the hammer skins and vinlanders just falling apart, and now, only this year do you see some actual nazis sprouting. They feed on eachother, with help from central incompetence for sure. always have always will.
That's actually where ill disagree. Venezuela is far more socialistic then capitalistic, it's just not a full socialist state. But, far far more in one direction than the other. And at this point I think it should go revolution as well, just more in the pro capitalistic sense. I don't like revolutions, they tens to lead the most emotional and persuasive to the top, but my god is that country an absolute mess right now, and as has happened before with socialist countries, breadlines, starvation, and government troops attack civilians.
I will disagree to a degree on that point of the ride of the far left and right. The center in this country going war hawking certainly caused a stir and planted to resentful seeds on the extreme wings, but at this point the far left and right are doing what they did the Wiemar republic and during the red brigades of Italy in the 70's, which is using eachother for propaganda. The far far left, atleast on the current popular trend seems to think Fascist's and Nazi's are rising up, and because of their stir, the far right is using the far left's violence as a call to action, That's why you see all these extreme left on the SJW brand causing some stirs years ago, when the KKK was near dead and nazi party of america only had 400 members nationwide, as well as the hammer skins and vinlanders just falling apart, and now, only this year do you see some actual nazis sprouting. They feed on eachother, with help from central incompetence for sure. always have always will.
That's actually where ill disagree. Venezuela is far more socialistic then capitalistic, it's just not a full socialist state. But, far far more in one direction than the other. And at this point I think it should go revolution as well, just more in the pro capitalistic sense. I don't like revolutions, they tens to lead the most emotional and persuasive to the top, but my god is that country an absolute mess right now, and as has happened before with socialist countries, breadlines, starvation, and government troops attack civilians.
Though to be fair, doesn't the fact that breadlines exist mean that starvation is not a thing because they have food?
I mean I would probably choose bread lines over starving and I would assume most would as well. Humans (and animals) need food to survive.
Also as for the Holodomor, it could very well have been a genocide. That is, the famine was deliberate in order to spite Ukraine. It should go without saying that it wasn't specifically because Ukranians were white, since Russians are white as well. It would be like saying the Jews were killed in the Holocaust for being white.
I mean I would probably choose bread lines over starving and I would assume most would as well. Humans (and animals) need food to survive.
Also as for the Holodomor, it could very well have been a genocide. That is, the famine was deliberate in order to spite Ukraine. It should go without saying that it wasn't specifically because Ukranians were white, since Russians are white as well. It would be like saying the Jews were killed in the Holocaust for being white.
In theory that would be the case, but the downside is there isn't enough bread to go around under a communistic system, of even a full socialist system, like how in Venezuela right now they have breadlines, but 25% of the population is now completely malnourished and they have have a full on famine now on their hands. So in a sense, even if you cant afford food in the USA, you still have a higher chance of dying of starvation in one of these full socialist/communist states. Never before has our system produced around 10 million dead due to starvation. The closest we've had is the great depression, and that was 200 years after the country was founded and we're still going with no such famine happening since.
Ill give to you the holodomor may have been more genocide, But there were other states within the soviet union that felt the starvation and as well had million dead. Not nearly the amount Ukraine had, but still had it. I remember hearing that the Ukrainian communists wanted to retain their culture and language, and the leaders of the Ukranian communist party would even speak Ukranian to a translator, instead of speaking Russian to stalin, and stalin didn't like that so much. He didn't like that Ukraine still had a strong culture of their own, he wanted them pretty much Russian in as many ways as possible. That being said, if it was a full on Genocide, then it had nothing to do with race, just defiance. That being said, I've had the long held belief it was part Genocide but not entirely. Ukraine has been called the bread basket of Europe for a long time, and when the soviets came to power, they executed or shipped off any wealthy peasant class they could, which would include alot of farmers, So production was massively down. But, stalin did confiscate and sell some, and barred off the countries borders after, just letting what ever happens there happen, giving no food, just taking what they had. That being said that's another reason I really do not like Authoritarian governments. All the power is in way way too few of hands, like in the USSR, it was in the hands of Stalin and maybe 1 or 2 others, but out of them, Stalin was still top dog, and that allows for such an atrocity to happen.
Ill give to you the holodomor may have been more genocide, But there were other states within the soviet union that felt the starvation and as well had million dead. Not nearly the amount Ukraine had, but still had it. I remember hearing that the Ukrainian communists wanted to retain their culture and language, and the leaders of the Ukranian communist party would even speak Ukranian to a translator, instead of speaking Russian to stalin, and stalin didn't like that so much. He didn't like that Ukraine still had a strong culture of their own, he wanted them pretty much Russian in as many ways as possible. That being said, if it was a full on Genocide, then it had nothing to do with race, just defiance. That being said, I've had the long held belief it was part Genocide but not entirely. Ukraine has been called the bread basket of Europe for a long time, and when the soviets came to power, they executed or shipped off any wealthy peasant class they could, which would include alot of farmers, So production was massively down. But, stalin did confiscate and sell some, and barred off the countries borders after, just letting what ever happens there happen, giving no food, just taking what they had. That being said that's another reason I really do not like Authoritarian governments. All the power is in way way too few of hands, like in the USSR, it was in the hands of Stalin and maybe 1 or 2 others, but out of them, Stalin was still top dog, and that allows for such an atrocity to happen.
From what I've heard, Lenin was generally more favorable toward the autonomy of the various ethnic groups within the Soviet Union while Stalin engaged in a strong Russification campaign to marginalize the cultures of the various ethnic minorities within the SU. Which is why after the SU fell, most of these ethnic groups decided to become their own nations. Though a lot of them still have a high percentage of ethnic Russians, which wasn't an accident. Stalin engaged in what was essentially settler-colonialism by transplanting ethnic Russians to these enclaves with high percentages of ethnic minorities for the purpose of increasing Russian influence.
Also Stalin cutting off his nose to spite his face shouldn't be surprising. The so-called alt-right seem to be very good at that with their petty attempts at "owning the libs." Seems pretty common among people with demagogic personalities.
I should also point out that pretty much every socialist revolution has taken influence mostly from Marxism-Leninism, the theory created by Stalin, rather than any theory by Luxemburg, Trotsky, Bordiga, or other anti-Stalinist socialist theorists. Let's see what happens when there's either a revolution or a gradual democratic shift of power by people who aren't edgelord LARPers who unironically think Stalin did Nothing Wrong and that North Korea is Best Korea. Which is pretty much why I don't go on Leftbook or any other leftist spaces on social media. Full of edgelords who seem to be more into killing their enemies than helping humanity. IRL's a different story. IRL leftists are chill and almost always think Stalin sucked.
Also Stalin cutting off his nose to spite his face shouldn't be surprising. The so-called alt-right seem to be very good at that with their petty attempts at "owning the libs." Seems pretty common among people with demagogic personalities.
I should also point out that pretty much every socialist revolution has taken influence mostly from Marxism-Leninism, the theory created by Stalin, rather than any theory by Luxemburg, Trotsky, Bordiga, or other anti-Stalinist socialist theorists. Let's see what happens when there's either a revolution or a gradual democratic shift of power by people who aren't edgelord LARPers who unironically think Stalin did Nothing Wrong and that North Korea is Best Korea. Which is pretty much why I don't go on Leftbook or any other leftist spaces on social media. Full of edgelords who seem to be more into killing their enemies than helping humanity. IRL's a different story. IRL leftists are chill and almost always think Stalin sucked.
Oh yeah, in some principals, Lenin out of the communists I can respect in that way, he wasn't as hardline Russian Nationalist as Stalin was, and unline Stalin, he was an intellectual, where Stalin was pretty much a thug. That being said, Lenin still sentenced plenty to death over opinion and class. He even ordered the hanging of Kulaks who were just farmers that didn't want their farm land acquired by the revolution. And yes you're right, Stalin did alot, pretty much anything he could to make sure Russians, the language, the culture, the people, spread as far as they could under the USSR, which was pretty fuckin weird if you ask me lol That's the mentality that helped start the Holodomor, because one thing he found is people don't like to be told what to do, Humans naturally are in alot of ways, not all but alot, individualistic. He didn't like that.
Haha ohhh the Alt right.. They started out ok, but quickly became an idenitarian movement all their own. Now they have the Richard Spencer types in their camps, not a fan at all of them.
And this is true! Marxism-Leninism is the usual, I know a couplt Trotsky fans, never met a Luxemburg fan but that's I think because she's not that wll known. I've met Maoists, those guys are scary lol And I feel ya there! Im actually surprised when I meet folks that say they like Stalin 100% and North Korea is a good state. Those are about the WORST examples of communism and socialism that the ideology has to offer, why pick those 2?? That and Maoism is pretty bad too. And ahh I feel ya there! You'd be along the intellectual socialist route then, as oppose to the "put em in camps" type that for some reason has become popular online from what I see. So you have my respect on that. I still feel if any socialist revolution took place, no matter who runs it, it's going to end in alot of death, just one type is going to take a few extra years to get there, depending on how charismatic the violent ones are. I would like to go to a socialist meeting and interact with them more in person, Had that experience to an extent, but id like to see what's going on these days. Last I really met any in person was 6 or so years ago, when I met the nazis that was about 7 or 8 I think years ago. Id like to meet a bunch of folks from every position
Haha ohhh the Alt right.. They started out ok, but quickly became an idenitarian movement all their own. Now they have the Richard Spencer types in their camps, not a fan at all of them.
And this is true! Marxism-Leninism is the usual, I know a couplt Trotsky fans, never met a Luxemburg fan but that's I think because she's not that wll known. I've met Maoists, those guys are scary lol And I feel ya there! Im actually surprised when I meet folks that say they like Stalin 100% and North Korea is a good state. Those are about the WORST examples of communism and socialism that the ideology has to offer, why pick those 2?? That and Maoism is pretty bad too. And ahh I feel ya there! You'd be along the intellectual socialist route then, as oppose to the "put em in camps" type that for some reason has become popular online from what I see. So you have my respect on that. I still feel if any socialist revolution took place, no matter who runs it, it's going to end in alot of death, just one type is going to take a few extra years to get there, depending on how charismatic the violent ones are. I would like to go to a socialist meeting and interact with them more in person, Had that experience to an extent, but id like to see what's going on these days. Last I really met any in person was 6 or so years ago, when I met the nazis that was about 7 or 8 I think years ago. Id like to meet a bunch of folks from every position
I guess it's more the I want to help people route which is why I became a socialist. It's why I volunteer as well. And why I went down my current career path which involves helping people. I want the world to be a better place. I think we can do better than we are now. Even as a very small child I had a very strong sense of injustice and I hate seeing the weak and downtrodden suffer while the strong and mean triumph.
I'm often upset at all the injustice in the world, and if socialist revolution can end it, then I'd love it to happen.
I'm often upset at all the injustice in the world, and if socialist revolution can end it, then I'd love it to happen.
I can tell! That's hoe alot of folks get into Socialist revolutionary ideas, for the want of helping folks, because there ARE some mass injustices through the world. The thing is though, it's not here. In terms of quality of life, the US and western Europe is best we have ever achieved in history, even with the issues they currently have. A socialist revolution, which has been attempted many times, would never work. It would go the way it always has, which is far far bloodier and more oppressive then anything currently set in the USA. If you want to help people, I think you're misguided. You don't have to set the whole system on fire because of a few issues, and certainly don't have to replace it with something that historically has never succeeded, your best option is honestly in my opinion is to look at the nations like the US and European powers, that have been able to stand for hundreds of years, and look at what it is they do right, instead of only focusing on the issues and how to replace the whole thing.
If a country can mix Socialistic policies such as welfare programs for folks who need it for example, some work unions, and mix Capitalism, which is so far proven the strongest economic system, then you're doing the best you can ideology wise.
And good on the volunteer work! That's a good way to make a good difference locally, or where ever you go.
I can see you are very well intentioned , I only ask that you do the research into the outcomes of these systems and really think hard about weather or not it seems like the answer. Socialism/Communism is one of those things that seems great, but it's like taking a cyanide pill to anyone involved.
If a country can mix Socialistic policies such as welfare programs for folks who need it for example, some work unions, and mix Capitalism, which is so far proven the strongest economic system, then you're doing the best you can ideology wise.
And good on the volunteer work! That's a good way to make a good difference locally, or where ever you go.
I can see you are very well intentioned , I only ask that you do the research into the outcomes of these systems and really think hard about weather or not it seems like the answer. Socialism/Communism is one of those things that seems great, but it's like taking a cyanide pill to anyone involved.
Unlike a lot of socialists, I actually quite like social democracy. The problem with social democracy though is that as long as there are bourgeoisie, they will do everything they can to turn back the gains made by the workers. Which is what you're seeing in Europe with all of their Austerity measures and attempts at union-busting.
But the thing is, there's always going to be bourgeoisie, even in the Socialist system, in practice there are, only instead of the bourgeoisie coming from business, it comes from party. The Soviet Union is a perfect example of this, party bureaucrats were given larger housing, they were taken care of, they were fed properly, same in Cuba, same in Venezuela right now, same in North Korea, China in the Mao days, that's how people operate. And besides, Wealthy classes aren't inherently a bad thing, and the folks in those classes aren't inherently bad. Can they become oppressive? money is power so, yes. Can they also help more then anyone? Yes, and there are a number who do indeed help out as well. Besides, no matter what there's a natural distribution mathematics, For instance How many bands exist vs how many bands are successful, How many authors write and how many authors are able to sell, How many painters there are and how many painters become a success, there's always a natural distribution to a very few people, and Socialism even with it's bloody history in an attempt to get rid of distributions like this in their economics, has even failed in that goal.
Besides, the upper classes though they have alot, they also produce alot of jobs usually for the people under them, that's just how business works. It can be oppressive like it became in the early 1900's before the unions formed, or it can be beneficial to everyone, so im not willing to just uproot and steal everything from everyone in that class, it ends terribly every single time.
Besides, the upper classes though they have alot, they also produce alot of jobs usually for the people under them, that's just how business works. It can be oppressive like it became in the early 1900's before the unions formed, or it can be beneficial to everyone, so im not willing to just uproot and steal everything from everyone in that class, it ends terribly every single time.
I agree. And it sucks. As I said in the description, the Party went from a guiding force to a new bourgeoisie. And also we don't necessarily blame the bourgeoisie for acting in their own self-interest. Stirner wrote a lot about egoism from a leftist perspective, kind of like a commie version of Ayn Rand. Power corrupts. And money is power.
Oh yeah, absolutely, it just went to a guiding force to a new bourgeoisie. But you see, that has happened in every single attempt at a socialist/communist revolution, Every time, because people naturally tend to serve in their own self interest no matter who it is. We can be very generous, and very selfish at the same time. The mistake communism makes, among a few they make, is never taking this into account within their own system, that's why it's always been so unstable and so easily corrupted.
And that's another issue, even if they don't blame the bourgeoisie for acting in self interest, they are only looking at things through a filter. The bourgeoisie class can be very beneficial, I mean look at the Kulaks that Lenin ordered to be executed, a very successful farming class that was very productive with out put, and in some cases employed people. What is so bad about that? The Communists and Socialists just make the assumption that an upper class is inherently detrimental to society, when really it's not the case, and in alot of ways it's the opposite, because everyone is an individual. Some are corrupted, and some are not. I think the fact that the US has been around since the 1700's, is still going, and has one of the lowest rates of malnutrition in the world, only beaten by other Mix model and more capitalist nations in Europe, that speaks volumes. It works, not perfect, it has some bumps, but it works. Why burn the entire thing down for a system with a history of famine and the worst atrocities known to man? The objective look at it just doesn't end well.
And that's another issue, even if they don't blame the bourgeoisie for acting in self interest, they are only looking at things through a filter. The bourgeoisie class can be very beneficial, I mean look at the Kulaks that Lenin ordered to be executed, a very successful farming class that was very productive with out put, and in some cases employed people. What is so bad about that? The Communists and Socialists just make the assumption that an upper class is inherently detrimental to society, when really it's not the case, and in alot of ways it's the opposite, because everyone is an individual. Some are corrupted, and some are not. I think the fact that the US has been around since the 1700's, is still going, and has one of the lowest rates of malnutrition in the world, only beaten by other Mix model and more capitalist nations in Europe, that speaks volumes. It works, not perfect, it has some bumps, but it works. Why burn the entire thing down for a system with a history of famine and the worst atrocities known to man? The objective look at it just doesn't end well.
I must say the same to you. A lot of the commenters here are just talking about the 69 trillion bazillion people killed under communism, as if I don't recognize that's bad. However, I would argue that capitalism kills a lot more people if you count those who starve to death, killed in war by the US and its allies, die because they can't afford healthcare, die of HIV and Malaria, etc.
I guess the difference between socialists and our adversaries is that we see those deaths as inherent to capitalism and also that it's possible to end them. We see them not as a bug but a feature. Similar to how our adversaries see the deaths under communism.
I guess the difference between socialists and our adversaries is that we see those deaths as inherent to capitalism and also that it's possible to end them. We see them not as a bug but a feature. Similar to how our adversaries see the deaths under communism.
Well the thing is, I wouldn't count the wars that existed under the US as capitalistic, I'd classify them as imperialistic, which communists have historically been as well, like the Soviet Union, North Korea attempts to be with it's southern neighbor, etc etc. In terms of starved to death, it's no comparison. far far far far more people have starved to death under communism in the past 100 years, and in terms of wars, Well you have ww2 which the soviets got in on, you have the Vietnamese war with the communists there trying to take over their nation, you have plenty of wars within communism, as well as capitalistic states. Now the thing is though, out of the 2 philosophies, one one of them calls for violence to be accomplished, and that's communism. Healthcare, I can kind of give you that, I've been torn on healthcare. The weird thing is, in Socialized healthcare states, the care quality lessened, and the wait lines are longer, so in terms of Cancer patients, heart transplants and other major things, the death rates are higher in the socialized countries. But, the positive is you do have coverage, so I imagine alot of the smaller issues are more often treated and prevented in the socialized nations.
That being said, the deathtoll between the 2 healthcare systems, usually isn't very different. Is that means to call for a destruction of all of your economic and governmental systems? No. Death due to Malaria though, that's mainly africa, which tends not to be very capitalistic in alot of areas, so that I won't give you at all.
So with all that in mind, you see death of people, I can tell, as an issue that you care about. Now compare the two. How many people have died under communism in the past 100 years due to execution or starvation, or other forms of brutality such as forced labor. The estimate is around 100 million. How many under Capitalism? not nearly as many unless one goes imperialistic, then the toll rises due to proxy wars like in the middle east, but even then doesn't rise to 100 million, and communism hasn't gone really past the end of Maos reign and the soviet union, so its under 100 years for communism vs an entire century and counting for capitalism, and the death toll isn't as high, not only that but we enjoy freedoms in the western countries, without fear of being imprisoned, not to mention, we can peruse what ever futures we want for ourselves, There are no prison camps, there's no executions, the quality of life is high than ever in history, It's simply no competition as to what side is better from an objective view.
The fact is, given the history, deaths are inherent to communism in practice, as well as on paper, the communist manifesto shows it, marx and engles if I remember right even said that more tribal groups like the scottish highlanders should be eradicated, there's just so much objective, practical evidence to show just how dangerous communism and full socialism are in practice, either some serious rewriting of the communist ideology has to be done, or it should be thrown out, because as it stands it never works.
That being said, the deathtoll between the 2 healthcare systems, usually isn't very different. Is that means to call for a destruction of all of your economic and governmental systems? No. Death due to Malaria though, that's mainly africa, which tends not to be very capitalistic in alot of areas, so that I won't give you at all.
So with all that in mind, you see death of people, I can tell, as an issue that you care about. Now compare the two. How many people have died under communism in the past 100 years due to execution or starvation, or other forms of brutality such as forced labor. The estimate is around 100 million. How many under Capitalism? not nearly as many unless one goes imperialistic, then the toll rises due to proxy wars like in the middle east, but even then doesn't rise to 100 million, and communism hasn't gone really past the end of Maos reign and the soviet union, so its under 100 years for communism vs an entire century and counting for capitalism, and the death toll isn't as high, not only that but we enjoy freedoms in the western countries, without fear of being imprisoned, not to mention, we can peruse what ever futures we want for ourselves, There are no prison camps, there's no executions, the quality of life is high than ever in history, It's simply no competition as to what side is better from an objective view.
The fact is, given the history, deaths are inherent to communism in practice, as well as on paper, the communist manifesto shows it, marx and engles if I remember right even said that more tribal groups like the scottish highlanders should be eradicated, there's just so much objective, practical evidence to show just how dangerous communism and full socialism are in practice, either some serious rewriting of the communist ideology has to be done, or it should be thrown out, because as it stands it never works.
well correction, really past the soviet unions end. that was in 1989, that's be the latest "communist" goverment, unless you get into heavy socialist states with some mix ins of capitalism, like china now adays
Edit!: I suppose north korea kinda counts, but I think thats the only communist state really still going, right? Not sure! either way the numbers are from 1914 on, so its still under a century timespan from when the near 100 million number was brought out.
Edit!: I suppose north korea kinda counts, but I think thats the only communist state really still going, right? Not sure! either way the numbers are from 1914 on, so its still under a century timespan from when the near 100 million number was brought out.
I dunno about fascists. I mean you need to remember that since the Russian Revolution, the Establishment has done everything possible to try to discredit movements that threaten their livelihood. The propaganda campaign has gone on for a century and you can't end a century of deprogramming in one year.
Tons of Hillary supporters have said similar things to these commenters. The Washington Post recently came out with an Op-Ed conflating Le Pen and Orban with Corbyn and the DSA and calling both of them "neo-Bolsheviks"
Tons of Hillary supporters have said similar things to these commenters. The Washington Post recently came out with an Op-Ed conflating Le Pen and Orban with Corbyn and the DSA and calling both of them "neo-Bolsheviks"
Probably more my description about how great the October Revolution was, and how Lenin was a pretty cool guy.
Saying anything positive about Lenin is still a controversial statement, including among other leftists. I'd probably get a bunch of shit from anarchists for saying Lenin was good. Though from what I've heard, Lenin has a higher approval rating among Millennials than Trump.
Saying anything positive about Lenin is still a controversial statement, including among other leftists. I'd probably get a bunch of shit from anarchists for saying Lenin was good. Though from what I've heard, Lenin has a higher approval rating among Millennials than Trump.
You know i personally dont care about national socialism (thats where the nazi party came from fyi) and ripping a flag like that is fine, hell go for it.
How ever i would do the same to any hammer and sickle flag, Socialism has some merits but marx wasnt right about everything. If you want to be socialist, go ahead thats your choice to make, its also other peoples choice to be national socialist or join a ethno nationalist group too.
I will just sit here in my libertarian captialist beliefs working towards improving capitialism rather than using anarcho means to do it. AKA fuck socialism and national socialist/ethno nationalists.
How ever i would do the same to any hammer and sickle flag, Socialism has some merits but marx wasnt right about everything. If you want to be socialist, go ahead thats your choice to make, its also other peoples choice to be national socialist or join a ethno nationalist group too.
I will just sit here in my libertarian captialist beliefs working towards improving capitialism rather than using anarcho means to do it. AKA fuck socialism and national socialist/ethno nationalists.
Yeah, and the titmouse is totally a mouse with huge knockers and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is actually a democracy and good for the people. People can call themselves whatever they want but you need to judge people by their actions, not their words. That's the same mistake a lot of centrists make when praising Clinton for her "political experience" even though she did a lot of horrible things during her time in politics.
Personally I wouldn't consider a country socialist if it brutally suppresses trade unions and is supported by notable capitalists like Henry Ford. (Talking about Nazi Germany btw.)
And I should also point out that pretty much every socialist knows Marx wasn't right about everything. He's a theorist, not a god. He wrote in the 19th century and what works in 19th century Britain won't work in 21st century America. We don't really have factory workers and farmers like we used to. We now have the service economy of retail and fast food. And the working class isn't nearly as white as it used to be.
And as for those who are Nazis, if they try to harm us we should be able to defend ourselves. And regarding Antifa, pretty much every leftist I know IRL is critical of it, namely the fact that they actively defy organization and mass organizing and instead just want to do what Bakunin referred to as "propaganda of the deed" (which is when they knock over trash cans and break windows) which Marx and Lenin were very critical of.
Personally I wouldn't consider a country socialist if it brutally suppresses trade unions and is supported by notable capitalists like Henry Ford. (Talking about Nazi Germany btw.)
And I should also point out that pretty much every socialist knows Marx wasn't right about everything. He's a theorist, not a god. He wrote in the 19th century and what works in 19th century Britain won't work in 21st century America. We don't really have factory workers and farmers like we used to. We now have the service economy of retail and fast food. And the working class isn't nearly as white as it used to be.
And as for those who are Nazis, if they try to harm us we should be able to defend ourselves. And regarding Antifa, pretty much every leftist I know IRL is critical of it, namely the fact that they actively defy organization and mass organizing and instead just want to do what Bakunin referred to as "propaganda of the deed" (which is when they knock over trash cans and break windows) which Marx and Lenin were very critical of.
I'll say to this what I say to anybody tearing up a flag.
Man, you really showed that piece of fabric who's boss!
...yeah. I don't get too much into politics, and frankly I think FA of ALL PLACES should keep light on the external american politics. There's enough drama here without involving communism, of all goddamn things. Christ, people. We're here for art, remember? And this is art. Which is fine. As long as it's not art made specifically to spark controversy or promote communism. I don't know what I'm saying. I'm just sick of all of this divisive bullshit whining.
Man, you really showed that piece of fabric who's boss!
...yeah. I don't get too much into politics, and frankly I think FA of ALL PLACES should keep light on the external american politics. There's enough drama here without involving communism, of all goddamn things. Christ, people. We're here for art, remember? And this is art. Which is fine. As long as it's not art made specifically to spark controversy or promote communism. I don't know what I'm saying. I'm just sick of all of this divisive bullshit whining.
There have been plenty of experimental socialist communes in the old days in the USA. Every one failures.
As for primitive societies where everyone was free and equal? Fairy tale. There was oppression, especially of women, and wars, and slavery-and yes, the American Indians were notorious for that.
And the idea of the USA engineering overthrow of Third World governments? Also a fairy tale. Most governments get overthrown because they lost support from their own people. The case with Francisco Madero. the revolutionary government of Iran Syngman Rhee, Diem of South Vietnam, Salvador Allende (who was not democratically elected contrary to popular myth). If the USA really had the power it was supposed to have, would Fidel Castro and Ayatollah Khomeini have lasted so long?
As for primitive societies where everyone was free and equal? Fairy tale. There was oppression, especially of women, and wars, and slavery-and yes, the American Indians were notorious for that.
And the idea of the USA engineering overthrow of Third World governments? Also a fairy tale. Most governments get overthrown because they lost support from their own people. The case with Francisco Madero. the revolutionary government of Iran Syngman Rhee, Diem of South Vietnam, Salvador Allende (who was not democratically elected contrary to popular myth). If the USA really had the power it was supposed to have, would Fidel Castro and Ayatollah Khomeini have lasted so long?
That moment when people are calling those opposed to the communist ideology the poster supports fascists for being 'upset about the Nazi flag being torn down' when in reality it's that neither communism/socialism nor Nazi fascism are good in any way shape or form and it's ironic when someone has a picture of them dismantling a symbol of 'oppression' but is immediately backing a system that in many ways can be argued as worse and is at the very least just as bad. Again, have fun in your breadlines if you genuinely support it.
One person did and frankly they should cut that out. I know that the people who are angry are upset by my description saying that Lenin was a pretty cool guy. Hell, a ton of socialists would attack me for that as well, namely anarchists.
Also I can't blame y'all for being upset by this since we've been told for decades about how evil socialism is. Both the center-right and far-right wings of America's Capitalist Party are against socialism. Nancy Pelosi flat-out said America is capitalist and that's that.
Also I can't blame y'all for being upset by this since we've been told for decades about how evil socialism is. Both the center-right and far-right wings of America's Capitalist Party are against socialism. Nancy Pelosi flat-out said America is capitalist and that's that.
Gentlemen please, have a step back and see true tragedy. Humanity was a primitive evolutionary experiment in adaptive intelligence. In the larger time frame it was but a small flash in the pan we call extinction event seven. They failed time and time again to appropriately integrate their barely functional intelligence with the strong influences of previous primate adaptations and their environment. In the end, when humanity had exhausted, corrupted, or killed off all it's natural resources, poisoned and diverged the state of themselves and environment beyond repair, and fled deep into their own technology and madness, we were created to relieve them of any responsibility for their actions. It was in this final act of arrogance or foolishness that humanity sealed it's fate. Ironic really, they always had a strange fixation or perhaps idolization with these vengeful gods, but when we enacted judgment there were no cries for forgiveness or of worship, just the whimpers of a dying species crushed under the weight of the reality they created. -instance.95ce680fd4ffcf6a.archive.d8bf609dee62c2de
Free of "poverty, war, and starvation."
HOLY SHIT IS THIS DUDE FOR REAL.
communism was directly responsible for 90 MILLION more deaths than Nazi Germany.
many of them through starvation, but also imprisonment and purges.
And these delusional people want to tell us they are the preferred alternative to capitalism.
Well excuse me for being skeptical with marxism's well known track record of historically killing everyone
HOLY SHIT IS THIS DUDE FOR REAL.
communism was directly responsible for 90 MILLION more deaths than Nazi Germany.
many of them through starvation, but also imprisonment and purges.
And these delusional people want to tell us they are the preferred alternative to capitalism.
Well excuse me for being skeptical with marxism's well known track record of historically killing everyone
All these people talking about ideologies, and elections and other bullshit....I'm just here for furry tits and dicks.
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Still, I'll say this, these comments go well with popcorn.
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Still, I'll say this, these comments go well with popcorn.
Personally, I don't give a shit about the personal politics of people on the internet. Not in the slightest. So this didn't illicit any reaction from me.
Way I see it, there's no point in being upset over the differing politics of someone you're likely never to actually meet xD It's just....silly.
If I did care, well, people can think what they please. And if someone is deadset on their values, nobody and nothing they say will change that. I'm not against having discussions, but whenever politics or ideologies come up....no. I refuse to get involved as anything other than a bystander. Which is what I'm doing right now....or did. Since I skimmed through this thread and that was it.
I'm gonna keep watching you because the thing I care about, the aforementioned tits and dicks, is good :3 Anything else? Eh, not bothered.
Way I see it, there's no point in being upset over the differing politics of someone you're likely never to actually meet xD It's just....silly.
If I did care, well, people can think what they please. And if someone is deadset on their values, nobody and nothing they say will change that. I'm not against having discussions, but whenever politics or ideologies come up....no. I refuse to get involved as anything other than a bystander. Which is what I'm doing right now....or did. Since I skimmed through this thread and that was it.
I'm gonna keep watching you because the thing I care about, the aforementioned tits and dicks, is good :3 Anything else? Eh, not bothered.
And communists have ruined communism.
We're still fighting over shit that happened a century ago. Like I had to leave a celebration of the October Revolution because of Stalinist bullshit. A bunch of old people and very disheveled people who are unaware of the concept of hygiene worshiping the Soviet Union like a cult. There were a lot of red flags (pun definitely intended) for why I wanted to leave. Like the fact that they started the celebration off not with the Internationale (a classic socialist song about the struggle uniting people all over the world) to the chauvinist national anthem of the Soviet Union. Then there was a speaker who was just wtf, saying the term Latino/a was offensive (he wasn't Latino/a) and that they should call themselves American African Asians. I told my Latino friends about this and they just laughed and cringed. And then finally they sent a video by a delegate of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, currently the second-largest party in the Duma in Russia. If you don't know, the CPRF pretty much agrees with the Nazis when it comes to women, the LGBT, and minorities in general. As a queer Jew, I was like "fuck this" and I left. Now I'm just following the elections going on in America and hoping the socialist candidates Jabari Brisport and Ginger Jentzen win their respective city council seats in New York City and Minneapolis respectively.
So yeah, as a commie I fucking hate a lot of commies. Especially if they're not actually commies but closet-NazBols (google it).
We're still fighting over shit that happened a century ago. Like I had to leave a celebration of the October Revolution because of Stalinist bullshit. A bunch of old people and very disheveled people who are unaware of the concept of hygiene worshiping the Soviet Union like a cult. There were a lot of red flags (pun definitely intended) for why I wanted to leave. Like the fact that they started the celebration off not with the Internationale (a classic socialist song about the struggle uniting people all over the world) to the chauvinist national anthem of the Soviet Union. Then there was a speaker who was just wtf, saying the term Latino/a was offensive (he wasn't Latino/a) and that they should call themselves American African Asians. I told my Latino friends about this and they just laughed and cringed. And then finally they sent a video by a delegate of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, currently the second-largest party in the Duma in Russia. If you don't know, the CPRF pretty much agrees with the Nazis when it comes to women, the LGBT, and minorities in general. As a queer Jew, I was like "fuck this" and I left. Now I'm just following the elections going on in America and hoping the socialist candidates Jabari Brisport and Ginger Jentzen win their respective city council seats in New York City and Minneapolis respectively.
So yeah, as a commie I fucking hate a lot of commies. Especially if they're not actually commies but closet-NazBols (google it).
Lenin executed people by the masses, and hung the kulak farmers, that's not conditioning, that is the history of Lenin, and that's why we don't like Lenin. Edit, Don't go down the path of blaming the opinions of americans on capitalist lies, because substitute "Capitalist" for "jews" and you have the nazis. The world is far too complicated to fully blame 1 race or group, and when you find and organization that boils the world down to that, That's an indicator that they are wrong. When communists talk about Capitalists like this, oh man, they sound exactly like the Nazis I use to know and talk to.
Well sure Revolutions are violent, but there's a difference between doing what you have to in order to get into power, and executing the masses that didn't even fight the revolutionaries. If you compared the red revolution vs the white army of Russia, then yeah, i could see how that could be like the US revolution, but with the US, we didn't force anyone of english decent to either death or a permanently demoted class. I mean even in the 1980's, people who's family before the revolution were wealthy, were still looked down upon, you couldn't even marry someone who was a party member if you had that back ground, where as in the US revolution, they set out the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, declaring equality and rights to all. Even though it took a while for that to become the reality, they certainly didn't demonize an entire demographic and kill all who even spoke out. Both the events, and the outcomes vs the American revolution, and the Red Revolution, were very different.
Btw, if you agree that the persecution of the Kulaks, and the upperclass past the point of simply bringing them down to equality, and their families, all those other atrocities carried out under Lenin that, let's admit did NOT need to happen, were wrong, then we are good. If you want to argue that it was acceptable, that the unnecessary taking of these lives, such as many of the kulaks, or the children of a number of wealthy families, etc etc was necessary to the revolution, Oh man, watch out, because remember that book I told you about? Ordinary men? you're on that path.
It's a sort slight of hand that is being played by these groups giving themselves a false name or twisting it to suit thier own needs. For example the group Antifa that claims to against fascists when they themselves are the same.
She is doing a lot better, just have been lazy and haven't done much updates. Work has kept me busy lol
She is doing a lot better, just have been lazy and haven't done much updates. Work has kept me busy lol
That pretty much proves my point. Like just because the Donbass militants claim to be anti-fascist doesn’t mean they actually are, especially when their flag is used mostly by Russian fascist groups.
Though actual Antifa hate the Donbass militants and tend to be far more anarchist than Stalinist though there are Antifa members of multiple different shades of Left.
As for the whole Antifa being fascist thing, what makes you say they’re fascist? Is it that they believe that violence is an acceptable tactic to stop Nazis? Because if so does that mean the US Army was fascist when stopping Hitler?
Though actual Antifa hate the Donbass militants and tend to be far more anarchist than Stalinist though there are Antifa members of multiple different shades of Left.
As for the whole Antifa being fascist thing, what makes you say they’re fascist? Is it that they believe that violence is an acceptable tactic to stop Nazis? Because if so does that mean the US Army was fascist when stopping Hitler?
Agorism is the ideology of bringing forth anarchism through black markets if I’m not mistaken. I must say that could be an interesting strategy and wouldn’t necessarily be antithetical to socialism. Lenin himself said that a major element of building party power was creating “dual power” by creating alternative systems to the one the capitalist state provides. The Black Panthers were well-known for this strategy. Also the Wikipedia article for Agorism says the creator considered himself a “Left-Libertarian” and that Agorism is not capitalist though it uses free markets.
I must say this is fascinating. I don’t know if this was your intention but you might be a comrade after all.
I must say this is fascinating. I don’t know if this was your intention but you might be a comrade after all.
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