It may not look like it but the mesh of this model is completely junked as i applied a modifier to the shape wrong and it recalculated the entire mesh didnt change it visually but its no good to edit so i decided to render it as is see how it looked and this was the result i will be re-attempting this at some point but i thought id share it with you as about 12 hrs of work has gone into this model so id be bad to completely throw it away without showing anyone.