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The world is ruled by force. We are one of the first generations in human history to grow up so coddled, that many of us actually think it's ruled by political theories, or even rational thinking. HAW! Don't kid yourself: If you chooose to go untrained and unarmed, you're not "taking a stand against violence" or some such bullshit: You're joining the victim class. It doesn't matter how unanimously the sheep vote in favor of vegetarianism, as long as the wolves are of a different opinion.
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I guess you kind of missed his coming to rule Germany and turn it from a bankrupt, depressed economy left over from WWI into a world power that almost conquered the world. Not even close to incompetent so no it wouldn't be fair to assume what he has to say is wrong just because he says it. His execution of things was certainly wrong but many things of value have been put to use for wrong things.
How did he affect that miraculous turn around anyway? Oh, that's right with an extra-governmental army of radicals who seized the assets of every Jewish owned business in the nation and killed or intimidated all political opposition. My mistake, brilliant move, enviable rise to power, that's usin' the old noodle.
You're really reaching and misrepresenting history there. He had majority support, was elected honestly, and turned things around and built things towards the creation of WWII well before the move to stop the jews and other 'undesirables' of their possessions. Most Germans didn't even know for certain what atrocities were being committed and those that did I agree too often turned a blind eye on it, but given the Pope did as well and the US shipped Jews back to Germany before we were attacked knowing they were likely going to die there's plenty of moral failing to go around.
Of course even with your distorted description there you admit he was successful so he had to know what he was doing, which means at least some of what he has to say has merit. It might be on the cynical csde for manipulating people to get what you want but that's what you get from all politicians and people in power in general, so it all comes down to what your goals are and how you use those details about people to implement them.
Of course even with your distorted description there you admit he was successful so he had to know what he was doing, which means at least some of what he has to say has merit. It might be on the cynical csde for manipulating people to get what you want but that's what you get from all politicians and people in power in general, so it all comes down to what your goals are and how you use those details about people to implement them.
Actually Hitler was just a supremely bad military commander, too paranoid to trust the military geniuses at his disposal. We damn well should have lost that war. Thankfully he blew manpower and material on a city that didn't matter in Russia instead of capturing cities to whether a Russian winter or controlling the oil fields which was his stated objective in the first place. The Japanese were also supposed to attack Russia to prevent Stalin from reinforcing Stalingrad but it was a worthless campaign to begin with. He also refused to reinforce Erwin Rommel's divisions in his campaign in North Africa which could have secured the oil fields in the region and would have prevented the third front from Italy ever developing. With only one front to worry about, that of an invasion coming in from England, he could have smashed any attempt at his leisure.
As for his political maneuvering... Top notch. Have to be an unscrupulous evil bastard to do it, but those sort of shenanigans work. Secondly, Hitler's quote is only about grabbing power. He in no way addresses why or whether you should be going for power, only how. No one reaches any position of great authority without a great deal of effort backing it up. This is as true as Donald Trump as an evil megalomaniac who would butcher his own people to win power for himself.
You are astoundingly ignorant of history and also willfully missing the point.
Bonus: You have to break a few eggs to make an omelet. - Joseph Stalin
Not a bad quote. It's true that to accomplish certain goals requires sacrificing one thing to create the other or even as a metaphor for change, even violent change that can lead to something better. Our own revolution here in America was won with blood and gunpowder at great expense of life and comfort for our ancestors. I think that it worked out very well for us. However, Stalin was using the statement to justify the murder of millions upon millions of his own people which makes him a bastard. That doesn't mean that the basic concept he was talking about, and perverting, does not hold true.
As for his political maneuvering... Top notch. Have to be an unscrupulous evil bastard to do it, but those sort of shenanigans work. Secondly, Hitler's quote is only about grabbing power. He in no way addresses why or whether you should be going for power, only how. No one reaches any position of great authority without a great deal of effort backing it up. This is as true as Donald Trump as an evil megalomaniac who would butcher his own people to win power for himself.
You are astoundingly ignorant of history and also willfully missing the point.
Bonus: You have to break a few eggs to make an omelet. - Joseph Stalin
Not a bad quote. It's true that to accomplish certain goals requires sacrificing one thing to create the other or even as a metaphor for change, even violent change that can lead to something better. Our own revolution here in America was won with blood and gunpowder at great expense of life and comfort for our ancestors. I think that it worked out very well for us. However, Stalin was using the statement to justify the murder of millions upon millions of his own people which makes him a bastard. That doesn't mean that the basic concept he was talking about, and perverting, does not hold true.
I doubt the millions of dead, Jews and otherwise, would disagree with you about his having a 'stunning lack of success' as would the countries he successfully took over until he overextended himself and if his allies hadn't attacked the US and drawn it into the war he would have succeeded. But you clearly don't care to review history objectively and want to downplay the parts you have problems with, like the idea you can learn something useful from Hitler. Shockingly enough good, moral people don't have the exclusive ownership on knowledge or useful lessons, you can learn good lessons from evil people as well if you're careful.
You've converted me. From now on my motto is going to be WWHD? Hmm. He flunked out of art school so I guess I'm already kind of running behind der Führer if I want to be a failed politician, who resorts to failed coups, and eventually get to play leader because the genocidal racist goon squads I call my base think like the way I hate so much that I can get them to fake an attack from the subversives we're always talking about just before a pivotal election. Hmm, I think Ron Paul has a lead on me. Then again I don't think his free market obsession is going to end up in organized genocide as much as disorganized mass murder. Silly Ron Paul.
That's a dim view, Karno. Do you really think that there is no chance for humanity to finally transcend our barbaric roots and the bad things that this sometimes necessitates?
I'm not saying that there aren't, at least currently, situations where a little violence is an appropriate solution, possibly the best. I'm just saying that history has been a slow refinement of a barbaric, violent creature into something worthwhile, and if there's no chance of some of us shedding our need to slap each other with our dicks to prove we're better than everyone else, what's the point?
I'm not saying that there aren't, at least currently, situations where a little violence is an appropriate solution, possibly the best. I'm just saying that history has been a slow refinement of a barbaric, violent creature into something worthwhile, and if there's no chance of some of us shedding our need to slap each other with our dicks to prove we're better than everyone else, what's the point?
Exactly, how much of hate and love are mixed? To protect your loved ones from violence, one often needs to reach into the depths of hatred towards the attacker, pick up the Caveman's Club and let the reptile portion of the brain take over, with it's only thought 'Kill.'
We all play the 'society' game, because it's less stressful in the long run than clubbing each other to death. After all, what is it that criminals fear? They fear violence being done on them by the police or an armed citizenry. They don't fear the laws, otherwise they wouldn't be breaking them, they don't fear the disapproval of their peers and elders. All they fear is someone bigger and meaner, or someone with an 'equalizer' who knows how to use it.
We've already had a quote from Hitler, so I'll use one from Chairman Mao:
"Political power grows from the barrel of a gun."
and he probably stole it from Sun Tsu:
"Power grows from the point of a sword."
We are still a violent race at heart, all we can do to keep things pleasant for everyone, including ourselves, is to tell ourselves every morning when we wake up, "I will not kill or rape anyone today." That's the best we can do, keep the peace, one day at a time.
We all play the 'society' game, because it's less stressful in the long run than clubbing each other to death. After all, what is it that criminals fear? They fear violence being done on them by the police or an armed citizenry. They don't fear the laws, otherwise they wouldn't be breaking them, they don't fear the disapproval of their peers and elders. All they fear is someone bigger and meaner, or someone with an 'equalizer' who knows how to use it.
We've already had a quote from Hitler, so I'll use one from Chairman Mao:
"Political power grows from the barrel of a gun."
and he probably stole it from Sun Tsu:
"Power grows from the point of a sword."
We are still a violent race at heart, all we can do to keep things pleasant for everyone, including ourselves, is to tell ourselves every morning when we wake up, "I will not kill or rape anyone today." That's the best we can do, keep the peace, one day at a time.
Something people tend to forget. Humans are not inherently savage, nor are they inherently civilized, they take to each by turns and if they were soely one or the other the species never would have survived. We tend to have radically different standards for how we treat strangers than how we treat those close to us, which is a holdover from our Ogg the Caveman days. The tribe that helps it's own members out gets stronger and wipes-out the compeating tribe before they wipe-out your tribe.
Might makes right is not a justification for tyranny through strength, it is simply a statement of fact of the ultimate final arbiter of who has rights and who doesn't. In the end when social controls based on trust and respect break down, it's who can bring to bear superior force that dictates who will or won't be obeyed, this is why it's called Law En-FORCE-ment. This works both ways, if you are the stronger then of course you could knock over an old lady and take her social-security cheque... if I am stronger and I am offended by this then likewise I could of course curb-stomp you and give the cheque back.
This series is beginning to remind me of this movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKCys3sd8Bw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKCys3sd8Bw
Oh, also, violent crime levels in the US have been plummeting steadily since the 1970s to the point where it's almost unheard of for a person to be assaulted by someone who isn't friend or family. Friends and family, of course, have always made up the majority of violent offenders against "the victim class" so remember who you're arming yourself against when you do arm yourself. The wandering hoards of bandits? They're not out there.
Lived in Philadelphia for 40 plus years, last five of which were two doors down from a crack house.
Also spent two years in Inglewood, CA, which wasn't known as "Inglewatts" for nothing.
Plus two years in Cleveland.
Your credentials, si vous plait.
I thought so.
Also spent two years in Inglewood, CA, which wasn't known as "Inglewatts" for nothing.
Plus two years in Cleveland.
Your credentials, si vous plait.
I thought so.
I'm just a nation traveling man of the people, a vagabond poet who's welcome wherever he goes.
Like deepest darkest Harlem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlem look at those pictures! Scary town huh?
South Central LA sure was scary ... sixteen years ago http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts,.....es,_California before watts got gentrified.
Haven't visited everywhere, though.
Hey, where do you think the most dangerous place in the US might be? Hmm, well, according to the 2004 Census I'm there! Arizona. Arizona only really has one major population center, the Phoenix metro area has more people than the rest of the state combined several times over. And ask any Phoenician where the most dangerous place is, they'll tell you South Phoenix. That's what we call Central Phoenix because the city grows so fast that most people haven't realized that phoenix goes a lot damn farther south than they remember. In college four years ago, when those crime statistics were a little fresher I walked daily through two miles of South Phoenix neighborhoods because I took the bus to school every day and our public transit system sucked, there was a lot of walking involved in getting around by bus. The only ambulance I ever saw while frequenting the area was the one I called for a homeless man dieing of dehydration on the sidewalk.
I saw the gang graffiti. I saw the gang members, and friend I was dressed up college. I had hundreds of dollars of electronics in a satchel over my shoulder. The only man who ever pointed a gun at me was a police officer, because the Maricopa county Sherrif's police are, as a known fact, fucking insane and I walked right by while he was hasstling some kid who happened to not be selling pot despite the officers insistence he was. It must be the heat that does it, the heat makes us white people insane, it really does. This desert doesn't agree with us at all. But you know what? More people die in my city from drowning, yeah, here in the desert, more people drown to death than are murdered, here in the most murderous state in the union, and the only organization I regularly read more about in regards to criminal homicide than the Sherrif's deputies is our local neonazi community who've got their jackboots but just can't seem to find any ethnic people or fagots like they're always going on about. They keep picking fights outside of bars and curb stomping some unassuming white guy, and getting life. Ra ra master race!
Like deepest darkest Harlem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlem look at those pictures! Scary town huh?
South Central LA sure was scary ... sixteen years ago http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts,.....es,_California before watts got gentrified.
Haven't visited everywhere, though.
Hey, where do you think the most dangerous place in the US might be? Hmm, well, according to the 2004 Census I'm there! Arizona. Arizona only really has one major population center, the Phoenix metro area has more people than the rest of the state combined several times over. And ask any Phoenician where the most dangerous place is, they'll tell you South Phoenix. That's what we call Central Phoenix because the city grows so fast that most people haven't realized that phoenix goes a lot damn farther south than they remember. In college four years ago, when those crime statistics were a little fresher I walked daily through two miles of South Phoenix neighborhoods because I took the bus to school every day and our public transit system sucked, there was a lot of walking involved in getting around by bus. The only ambulance I ever saw while frequenting the area was the one I called for a homeless man dieing of dehydration on the sidewalk.
I saw the gang graffiti. I saw the gang members, and friend I was dressed up college. I had hundreds of dollars of electronics in a satchel over my shoulder. The only man who ever pointed a gun at me was a police officer, because the Maricopa county Sherrif's police are, as a known fact, fucking insane and I walked right by while he was hasstling some kid who happened to not be selling pot despite the officers insistence he was. It must be the heat that does it, the heat makes us white people insane, it really does. This desert doesn't agree with us at all. But you know what? More people die in my city from drowning, yeah, here in the desert, more people drown to death than are murdered, here in the most murderous state in the union, and the only organization I regularly read more about in regards to criminal homicide than the Sherrif's deputies is our local neonazi community who've got their jackboots but just can't seem to find any ethnic people or fagots like they're always going on about. They keep picking fights outside of bars and curb stomping some unassuming white guy, and getting life. Ra ra master race!
Nice to see some gentrification in Watts, at any rate, though I've been in Harlem in the past 5-6 years and it still makes me nervous. My comments concerning the rest still stand (particularly Philly, which I visit every year or so, and marvel that I lasted so long before escaping to the Ozarks). I do wanna visit Arizona at some point...
Use of handguns for criminal purposes like armed robbery, or car jacking does happen. It is orders of magnitude more rare than you gun nuts with your imaginary inner city hoards of drug crazed zombies seem to think, but it does happen sometimes, just like sometimes people win the lottery. Why don't you look up what the most likely to be stolen item in a home break-in is. Is it jewelry? Is it cash? Is it consumer electronics? Or is there an object that a burglar finds far more attractive than even those? Encouraging dogmatic nuts to look shit like this up on their own is probably pointless because you won't go farther than a pro gun forum to ask if guns get stolen a lot and everyone will say "No, guns help you defend yourself!" When in fact you raise your risk for a home burglary if it is known that there are guns inside your house.
I know the makes and approximate number of guns owned by a perhaps semi-retarded retired marine in my neighborhood. I also know his entire family's weekly schedules. How is he safer for having all those guns? What if I wanted one? He's never seen my face, and I could have them at will. My city is a hub for illegal arms trafficking from these United States to the drug cartels south of the border. If I didn't want the guns but needed cash instead I could contact a broker and have several thousand dollars for maybe at most two hours of work if I had such fiendish inclination. You yourself, by being an outspoken gun owner in Tuscon are at just as much risk, though the weapons I know you have are of decidedly lower market value. The demand is high in our area for these sorts of things, hence my earlier assertion that owning more guns than you have hands is probably a profoundly stupid idea.
I know the makes and approximate number of guns owned by a perhaps semi-retarded retired marine in my neighborhood. I also know his entire family's weekly schedules. How is he safer for having all those guns? What if I wanted one? He's never seen my face, and I could have them at will. My city is a hub for illegal arms trafficking from these United States to the drug cartels south of the border. If I didn't want the guns but needed cash instead I could contact a broker and have several thousand dollars for maybe at most two hours of work if I had such fiendish inclination. You yourself, by being an outspoken gun owner in Tuscon are at just as much risk, though the weapons I know you have are of decidedly lower market value. The demand is high in our area for these sorts of things, hence my earlier assertion that owning more guns than you have hands is probably a profoundly stupid idea.
Interesting how casually she thinks about murdering those three guys when she could have avoided the situation completely but chose not to due to her obsessive need to confront SS right then and there. So lost in her obsession can't even see how she's become that which she hates.
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