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Page implying weeks of increasing closeness and physical contact
Page implying weeks of increasing closeness and physical contact
Seen you commenting on this comic for a while, after having just read the entire thing, including the backstory "Summers Gone." Gods, this is probably the most heartwrenched, moved and aroused I have ever felt since I first joined the fandom back in 2004. Gods, you both have good tastes.
And relating to the comic page La_Vojeto posted, I don't think there is anything more adorkable and hotter than a nerdy golden retriever furry in glasses and a bow tie tux like Andy. o.o
And relating to the comic page La_Vojeto posted, I don't think there is anything more adorkable and hotter than a nerdy golden retriever furry in glasses and a bow tie tux like Andy. o.o
Okay, Andy's likability just took a huge, steep nosedive, like right off of a cliff. I mean, Cooper's a massive dick, so this doesn't surprise me, but wow is this a shitty thing for Andy to do. Not so much because of Emery, as they're currently just dating and are not exclusive, but with Chelsea. Cooper is Chelsea's boyfriend and Andy is her best friend, and like I said, Cooper doing a dickish thing is unsurprising, but the fact that Andy reciprocates and starts making out with him like that is so low. That's his best friend's boyfriend, and they're at her house, she's right there and with tons of people in there too. Seriously, this page alone renders Andy not likable anymore, there's just some lines you shouldn't cross.
Just because you can see something coming a mile away, doesn't change how people feel about an action. Nothing you said contradicts what he said. It's still a guy cheating on his best friend with her boyfriend at her house despite there being no redeeming qualities out of the one guy. Angrily repressing your feelings while doing stuff like sexually assaulting that person, isn't a positive character trait.
I've failed nothing. It's been obvious since page 1 that these two would end up porking, but the fact that Cooper got into a relationship with Chelsea and now these two are doing this renders both very unlikable. Had Cooper not formed a relationship with Chelsea, it would be a completely different thing.
For one, Cooper was not accepting himself as being both homosexual and in love with Andy. He started dating Chelsea because he was trying to keep those thoughts out of his head, obviously that didn't work. Second, Andy has always had feelings for Cooper, but never acted on it because of the way Cooper treated him. Yes this is going to be awkward for the group as a whole, but it's better this way. Cooper was miserable being with Chelsea (not here fault mind you) and Andy just wasn't wanting to deal with Cooper's bs. Ya, they've made mistakes, but Chelsea will forgive them, that's just in her nature, and there's nothing serious with the boss and Andy. Though, now it's a predicament. Andy will have to find a way to either keep his job or deal with getting lower status unless Coop is okay with an open relationship and with what we've seen, that's very unlikely. In the long run, this it the best thing to happen to them.
Its not a matter of following the plot. Whether we saw it coming or not does not excuse or make an action more agreeable. I dont want Andy to kiss him back or return any affections. Its great if their friendship gets some kind of fix but Cooper has been and still is a pretty bad person. Him and Andy just do not mix and I much rather them stay with who they have now over each other. Im still holding out some hold Andy isnt actually kissing him back in that space we cant see.
Granted the time and place could be better and in an ideal world they would have broken it off with Chelsea and emery before this, but life just has a funny was of happening. And these two have a history that predates boy Chelsea and emery, and knowing cooper and Andy based on their history together if they didnāt take this moment there would not have been another one. And isnāt it better that Chelsea Get herself a guy who can actually reciprocate the attraction and affection she deserves. Yeah it sucks that itās happening here and now of all places, but thatās life, and life is messy
I don't really follow the "that's life" and "they have history" together train of thought. They're adults in their mid twenties, not teenagers, they should better learn to control their hormones. Again, it's all about Chelsea being in a relationship with Cooper, meaning that if she sees these two tongue wrestling, she's the one who'll end up hurt through not fault of her own.
This hits every set of morals differently because there's No Good Answer.
Is a public relationship the same as ownership?
Is Chel really in a good situation if she's just the cover girl for a gay conservative who is desperately trying to act "normal" to please the mental ghost of his abusive dad? Cooper likes sex, but Chel doesn't turn him on when it comes down to it.
Nature or nurture? Is Cooper the way he is because he's naturally an ass, or because he learned to be one as a result of how he was brought up and what he experienced as a kid?
This is an internship and obviously not for a doctorate, so they're early twenties, likely 22 at most. There's a reason that auto insurance companies charge males MUCH higher rates until they are 25.
It's one thing to say "they should be mature and Cooper should stay with the girl despite being gay and not interested in her romantically, and Andy should totally ignore the attraction he's had since they were young kids and stay with the conflict of interest he's currently engaged in with the guy who's too big to fit," but in a semi-realistic story, twists, turns, and other things happen, and different people will fel differently about it. If a relationship is ownership, notice is required, or anything like that, they will be upset.
This doesn't solve all the problems either. At least, based on how the story is so far, the loose ends are definitely a thing, hiding in the background and waiting to pounce. So for all that people can say "What a dick move! This shouldn't happen!", it's one of those things that in reality DOES happen, and happened here in this story, and has a good chance of having repercussions, which makes the story interesting. Could they have split to different sides of the country and been only memories? Yep. Cooper could've ended up in a loveless relationship with Chelsea, who really doesn't deserve such a thing. Andy might have formed a loving bond with his boss, for better or for worse, which boss was also previously in a loveless relationship with a woman. Things could have been better, or worse. Life changes a lot these days. All we can do is peek along for the ride, because as readers, we can only speculate on the things to come.
Is a public relationship the same as ownership?
Is Chel really in a good situation if she's just the cover girl for a gay conservative who is desperately trying to act "normal" to please the mental ghost of his abusive dad? Cooper likes sex, but Chel doesn't turn him on when it comes down to it.
Nature or nurture? Is Cooper the way he is because he's naturally an ass, or because he learned to be one as a result of how he was brought up and what he experienced as a kid?
This is an internship and obviously not for a doctorate, so they're early twenties, likely 22 at most. There's a reason that auto insurance companies charge males MUCH higher rates until they are 25.
It's one thing to say "they should be mature and Cooper should stay with the girl despite being gay and not interested in her romantically, and Andy should totally ignore the attraction he's had since they were young kids and stay with the conflict of interest he's currently engaged in with the guy who's too big to fit," but in a semi-realistic story, twists, turns, and other things happen, and different people will fel differently about it. If a relationship is ownership, notice is required, or anything like that, they will be upset.
This doesn't solve all the problems either. At least, based on how the story is so far, the loose ends are definitely a thing, hiding in the background and waiting to pounce. So for all that people can say "What a dick move! This shouldn't happen!", it's one of those things that in reality DOES happen, and happened here in this story, and has a good chance of having repercussions, which makes the story interesting. Could they have split to different sides of the country and been only memories? Yep. Cooper could've ended up in a loveless relationship with Chelsea, who really doesn't deserve such a thing. Andy might have formed a loving bond with his boss, for better or for worse, which boss was also previously in a loveless relationship with a woman. Things could have been better, or worse. Life changes a lot these days. All we can do is peek along for the ride, because as readers, we can only speculate on the things to come.
We don't know that Cooper is gay and the Chelsea is just a beard, all we know is he is attracted to Andy and in a relationship with a woman, just because he couldn't perform that one time doesn't mean he isn't legitimately attracted to Chelsea or women in general and he's just bi, it could be the case that he's gay and faking it but we haven't been given any info either way.
True. He could be bi. His performance anxiety could have just been because he felt he was being untrue to himself.
There have been a damn lot of hints, but can anybody really know? There are a surprisingly large number of Brojobs in real life after all, but those guys are doing the Any Hole When In Need thing and say they aren't attracted to the other guy other than a primal rock-offing attraction.
There have been a damn lot of hints, but can anybody really know? There are a surprisingly large number of Brojobs in real life after all, but those guys are doing the Any Hole When In Need thing and say they aren't attracted to the other guy other than a primal rock-offing attraction.
Yes, and if the moment hadn't been taken? Chances are even Chelsea wouldn't have been spared either way. Doing something like that first conflicted kiss takes a lot for someone. If it hadn't been responded to positively, Cooper would have moved away, most likely, rather than live around that sort of thing.
Also? With how supportive Chelsea is with Andy, and open about the sexual aspects of it, I think it might actually answer a few questions she might be having about Cooper, and her relationship with him.
It's not going to be fun, but I can see her getting stronger out of this... She's shown herself to be a strong, likeable woman. Stood her ground when the two were fighting.
Or you know, Comic logic, Who knows. could lead to a three way partnering. You never know. It's not our story to tell, it's the artists. Sit back and try to enjoy the ride.
Also? With how supportive Chelsea is with Andy, and open about the sexual aspects of it, I think it might actually answer a few questions she might be having about Cooper, and her relationship with him.
It's not going to be fun, but I can see her getting stronger out of this... She's shown herself to be a strong, likeable woman. Stood her ground when the two were fighting.
Or you know, Comic logic, Who knows. could lead to a three way partnering. You never know. It's not our story to tell, it's the artists. Sit back and try to enjoy the ride.
Welcome to moral shades of grey!
Cooper had an abusive father whose actions helped mold what he is today. A conflicted jerk who has spent over a decade attracted to somebody and has been suppressing it and redirecting his feelings into being ass-holier-than-thou and macho bravado. Trauma and a completely shitty upbringing obviously make him a completely detestable person who never deserves anything good and must suffer for all eternity! The moment of revelation that he has and is ready to give up on for good in this page is nothing but cheating on somebody he can't satisfy and doesn't truly love, but he owns her and she owns him and public relationships are critical, even if they're a farce! Crappy home, craptastic father, absentee mother, suppressed feelings, all kept him from growing into a person and therefore he is completely reprehensible and deserves nothing but to suffer and Chelsea must suffer with him! And hey, a desperate kiss after twenty odd years is UTTERLY CHEATING and should definitely be up there with adultery. HE MUST SUFFER and in this comic world, everything must be absolutely black and white and simple!
In real life, this doesn't happen though.
There's this guy, for example, who married a lady. He met another lady and was cheating on his wife with the second lady, boning her frequently well before he divorced the first wife to marry the second lady. Then he did that AGAIN! He's substantially older than this third wife and people who see them in public note that they don't seem to have a very loving marriage. He can't use the 'hasn't grown up' yet card because he's well over fifty now. He's even bothered to hire hookers while married, is a habitual liar, even seconds after saying something, says he didn't. Despite all this, he's got millions of people who like him, and millions of people who don't, and he's pretty damn important.
Then another guy who got married, and while he was at work, somebody gave him a blow job. Turned into an utter mess and he got fired, despite being effectively the president of his job. He also has millions of people who like him and millions of people who hate him. He mended bridges with his wife and they are organically happy with each other in public, not a show or aversion going on. He also lacks the "not old enough to know better" excuse. He made an absolutely stupid mistake and suffered consequences. Some people even hate his wife for not getting rid of him. And for reading her email in the wrong place.
There. I've covered both sides with shit. :P
Life is full of infidelity, bad choices, ups and downs and ins and outs. Comics like this don't strip away the ups and downs to just show the ins and outs that a lot of readers want.
The awesome thing about this? You're absolutely allowed to dislike Cooper and Andy. ^.^ How this comic impacts you is entirely going to be based on your upbringing and moral fibers. And since it's fictional, it doesn't make you wrong. Nor does it make anybody else wrong any more than anybody should say you are wrong for liking a pic of public humiliation or threesomes. The only thing that's rude is saying that somebody else is wrong in how they feel about it as if yours is the only correct opinion.
Cooper had an abusive father whose actions helped mold what he is today. A conflicted jerk who has spent over a decade attracted to somebody and has been suppressing it and redirecting his feelings into being ass-holier-than-thou and macho bravado. Trauma and a completely shitty upbringing obviously make him a completely detestable person who never deserves anything good and must suffer for all eternity! The moment of revelation that he has and is ready to give up on for good in this page is nothing but cheating on somebody he can't satisfy and doesn't truly love, but he owns her and she owns him and public relationships are critical, even if they're a farce! Crappy home, craptastic father, absentee mother, suppressed feelings, all kept him from growing into a person and therefore he is completely reprehensible and deserves nothing but to suffer and Chelsea must suffer with him! And hey, a desperate kiss after twenty odd years is UTTERLY CHEATING and should definitely be up there with adultery. HE MUST SUFFER and in this comic world, everything must be absolutely black and white and simple!
In real life, this doesn't happen though.
There's this guy, for example, who married a lady. He met another lady and was cheating on his wife with the second lady, boning her frequently well before he divorced the first wife to marry the second lady. Then he did that AGAIN! He's substantially older than this third wife and people who see them in public note that they don't seem to have a very loving marriage. He can't use the 'hasn't grown up' yet card because he's well over fifty now. He's even bothered to hire hookers while married, is a habitual liar, even seconds after saying something, says he didn't. Despite all this, he's got millions of people who like him, and millions of people who don't, and he's pretty damn important.
Then another guy who got married, and while he was at work, somebody gave him a blow job. Turned into an utter mess and he got fired, despite being effectively the president of his job. He also has millions of people who like him and millions of people who hate him. He mended bridges with his wife and they are organically happy with each other in public, not a show or aversion going on. He also lacks the "not old enough to know better" excuse. He made an absolutely stupid mistake and suffered consequences. Some people even hate his wife for not getting rid of him. And for reading her email in the wrong place.
There. I've covered both sides with shit. :P
Life is full of infidelity, bad choices, ups and downs and ins and outs. Comics like this don't strip away the ups and downs to just show the ins and outs that a lot of readers want.
The awesome thing about this? You're absolutely allowed to dislike Cooper and Andy. ^.^ How this comic impacts you is entirely going to be based on your upbringing and moral fibers. And since it's fictional, it doesn't make you wrong. Nor does it make anybody else wrong any more than anybody should say you are wrong for liking a pic of public humiliation or threesomes. The only thing that's rude is saying that somebody else is wrong in how they feel about it as if yours is the only correct opinion.
Alright. So your points are:
1) no one deserves that, even if Coop knew andy longer.
2) Cooper never took responsability
3) His trying to pay Andy was just a ploy to make a pass at Andy.
4) Cooper is dealing with shit so he doesn't deserve to be with someone because evidently dealing with baggage makes the person not 'developed into a person'.
5) Cooper is manipulating Andy's life because he can't deal with his own.
Understandable points. If you're throwing logic into the thing.
Okay, okay.
1) Now. tell me. When has that ever mattered? Deserving? I mean, Come on. Life hands you stuff, and you have to deal with it. You could be the kindest person in the world, and still the world will throw you crud. Deserving? That word in itself is a laugh. Love and life isn't a cookie you get because you were deserving. Drama happens, and you have to overcome it.
2) He may not have, but he was harboring the pain of being raised to think that being what he was was -wrong-. Some people react to things differently. That sort of long term damage doesn't just 'fix itself' and make it better. He was taking out his anger at himself, at what he was, on Andy. Yes. That was wrong, but ever heard the term "Misery loves company"? It's more common than you think. Yes, it was wrong. I agree with that, but again, see point 1. Crud happens and you just have to deal with it.
3)Um. No? Andy in the panel before straight out told Coop that he wanted to push past the whole rivalry/bully thing. How he had seen the real Coop and wanted it to be that again. Coop's response wasn't making a pass. Even in this, you can see the anguish and torment he feels by opening this, by showing the reason he's been a dick.
4) Okay. What? So, by that logic, All the people dealing with depression because of things inflicted upon them, Because of things done to them, and are still unable to set it free are just not... people anymore? Come on. No. If you've been paying attention no just to this part of the comic, but the memory ones too, you'd see that he is a person. He's hated himself, what he is for years. It doesn't make him not a person. It makes him troubled, yes, but are you going to say that people that were abused, and feel self hate because of it are 'not people'? No. Of course not.
5) Now, This would have been a thing... If the past comics, and the trip down memory lane hadn't established that he has always harbored a very confusing care about Andy. Due to his upbringing, he wasn't able to get the answers he needed, only told 'That shit is bad' and such by his alcoholic father. He was struck with the reality of what he'd done... Practically pushed the person he cared about in a confusing way, to someone else. Now yes, I wouldn't go and say it's been the best thing.
And yes. I do think that she will, because up to this point? She's shown that she's strong. She got in the middle of Coop's yelling at Andy, she is tough. Loving, yes, but being tough doesn't mean that she isn't able to love. It's going to throw her through a loop, yes. I'm not denying that. But with some explanation, It's going to end up answering a lot of questions she's had.
But again. This isn't my story to tell. It's the authors. Who knows. The rest might throw us both through a loop and counter this debate we've just had. So. Again, I suggest we just sit back and enjoy the ride.
1) no one deserves that, even if Coop knew andy longer.
2) Cooper never took responsability
3) His trying to pay Andy was just a ploy to make a pass at Andy.
4) Cooper is dealing with shit so he doesn't deserve to be with someone because evidently dealing with baggage makes the person not 'developed into a person'.
5) Cooper is manipulating Andy's life because he can't deal with his own.
Understandable points. If you're throwing logic into the thing.
Okay, okay.
1) Now. tell me. When has that ever mattered? Deserving? I mean, Come on. Life hands you stuff, and you have to deal with it. You could be the kindest person in the world, and still the world will throw you crud. Deserving? That word in itself is a laugh. Love and life isn't a cookie you get because you were deserving. Drama happens, and you have to overcome it.
2) He may not have, but he was harboring the pain of being raised to think that being what he was was -wrong-. Some people react to things differently. That sort of long term damage doesn't just 'fix itself' and make it better. He was taking out his anger at himself, at what he was, on Andy. Yes. That was wrong, but ever heard the term "Misery loves company"? It's more common than you think. Yes, it was wrong. I agree with that, but again, see point 1. Crud happens and you just have to deal with it.
3)Um. No? Andy in the panel before straight out told Coop that he wanted to push past the whole rivalry/bully thing. How he had seen the real Coop and wanted it to be that again. Coop's response wasn't making a pass. Even in this, you can see the anguish and torment he feels by opening this, by showing the reason he's been a dick.
4) Okay. What? So, by that logic, All the people dealing with depression because of things inflicted upon them, Because of things done to them, and are still unable to set it free are just not... people anymore? Come on. No. If you've been paying attention no just to this part of the comic, but the memory ones too, you'd see that he is a person. He's hated himself, what he is for years. It doesn't make him not a person. It makes him troubled, yes, but are you going to say that people that were abused, and feel self hate because of it are 'not people'? No. Of course not.
5) Now, This would have been a thing... If the past comics, and the trip down memory lane hadn't established that he has always harbored a very confusing care about Andy. Due to his upbringing, he wasn't able to get the answers he needed, only told 'That shit is bad' and such by his alcoholic father. He was struck with the reality of what he'd done... Practically pushed the person he cared about in a confusing way, to someone else. Now yes, I wouldn't go and say it's been the best thing.
And yes. I do think that she will, because up to this point? She's shown that she's strong. She got in the middle of Coop's yelling at Andy, she is tough. Loving, yes, but being tough doesn't mean that she isn't able to love. It's going to throw her through a loop, yes. I'm not denying that. But with some explanation, It's going to end up answering a lot of questions she's had.
But again. This isn't my story to tell. It's the authors. Who knows. The rest might throw us both through a loop and counter this debate we've just had. So. Again, I suggest we just sit back and enjoy the ride.
I've been lurking here for a while because I'm hooked to this comic, but I really want to come out and comment to bring a different perspective on this.
I'm not gonna overanalyse on Coop and Andy's childhoods and backgrounds, because some people have already done so and the debates that ensued, while interesting, are irrelevant to my point. Still, you have to keep in mind those two are now dealing with feelings they've been holding back and/or denying for many years. Neither of them had planned what happens in this page. I think the artist has done a really really good job in expressing this in the pictures.
Would it have been more moral for Cooper to tell Andy to wait a minute, and go tell Chelsea "Sorry, but I'm breaking up with you because I just realised that I can't deny being attracted to Dee any longer"? Probably. Would it be realistic considering the way things happened? Probably not.
Do not get me wrong, I agree with you that this kiss is a huge mistake. It shouldn't have happened this way, nor at this moment. They fucked up, even though they probably didn't mean harm to Chelsea (they both have been shown to care for her despite Cooper's mixed feelings about their relationship), this will likely hurt her feelings.
But even then, them messing up things shouldn't lead people to "never like them as characters ever again" in my opinion. People sometimes fuck up. This event makes them REAL, it portrays a mistake real people could have done in the same circumstances, even people that are usually really attached to moral values. Real people sometimes STRUGGLE with even understanding their own feelings. Sometimes they fail to handle them. Sometimes they slip up.
What I don't agree with is statements like "Now they both don't deserve to be loved by anyone ever again because what they did is immoral".
We have to wait for what comes next before we can judge on anything. Will they try to make up for their error? Will they try to make things right, even though they can't undo what's been done? Being responsible doesn't mean that you never mess up. Sometimes it's about acknowledging that you did, and trying to act for the best after that.
TL;DR: It's true that them kissing is wrong and they shouldn't have done that. But it's too early to just categorize them as jerks. We as readers have all the time in the world to think about every little thing that happens in a split second in the comic, and all the consequences (I would say, the comic making us think about it is proof of how well written it is, gotta love the catharsis there). It probably won't be long before THEY realize, and then things will really become interesting.
I'm not gonna overanalyse on Coop and Andy's childhoods and backgrounds, because some people have already done so and the debates that ensued, while interesting, are irrelevant to my point. Still, you have to keep in mind those two are now dealing with feelings they've been holding back and/or denying for many years. Neither of them had planned what happens in this page. I think the artist has done a really really good job in expressing this in the pictures.
Would it have been more moral for Cooper to tell Andy to wait a minute, and go tell Chelsea "Sorry, but I'm breaking up with you because I just realised that I can't deny being attracted to Dee any longer"? Probably. Would it be realistic considering the way things happened? Probably not.
Do not get me wrong, I agree with you that this kiss is a huge mistake. It shouldn't have happened this way, nor at this moment. They fucked up, even though they probably didn't mean harm to Chelsea (they both have been shown to care for her despite Cooper's mixed feelings about their relationship), this will likely hurt her feelings.
But even then, them messing up things shouldn't lead people to "never like them as characters ever again" in my opinion. People sometimes fuck up. This event makes them REAL, it portrays a mistake real people could have done in the same circumstances, even people that are usually really attached to moral values. Real people sometimes STRUGGLE with even understanding their own feelings. Sometimes they fail to handle them. Sometimes they slip up.
What I don't agree with is statements like "Now they both don't deserve to be loved by anyone ever again because what they did is immoral".
We have to wait for what comes next before we can judge on anything. Will they try to make up for their error? Will they try to make things right, even though they can't undo what's been done? Being responsible doesn't mean that you never mess up. Sometimes it's about acknowledging that you did, and trying to act for the best after that.
TL;DR: It's true that them kissing is wrong and they shouldn't have done that. But it's too early to just categorize them as jerks. We as readers have all the time in the world to think about every little thing that happens in a split second in the comic, and all the consequences (I would say, the comic making us think about it is proof of how well written it is, gotta love the catharsis there). It probably won't be long before THEY realize, and then things will really become interesting.
Hello!
First of all, thank you for your response. I do enjoy a debate in which people acknowledge the viewpoints of others.
You raise some good points yourself as well, which got me to actually think over notions that I hadn't considered yet.
Although, I would like to qualify a bit on some aspects.
First, the "bad father" argument, which I've seen a lot in this comic's comment threads... I think it's brought up way too much. It is undeniable that Cooper's father has had a negative influence on the way he grew up. But I do not think for a second that it is the main reason for his questionable behavior. I'll come back to this.
Actually, Cooper's character hasn't been "take and don't give back" for the entirety of the comic in my opinion. In the part where he works for school with Andy, he is shown as working really hard to succeed. Now for sure, he's being helped. But he's not just copying his friend's homework. He's trying his hardest to actually graduate. Moreover, although it really DOES seem interested for him to come back to Andy like that... Is Andy the only smart kid in the class that he could have asked for help? They parted in pretty bad terms three years before that, so Andy might not have been the best choice if his only goal was to get help. I see it as an excuse to actually get back in touch with him.
Also keep in mind after the night they spent together after he had a panic attack, they were supposedly in very good terms for four years ("four years later" Summer's gone p42), until 1) Chelsea hurts him with her remark "A drunk mind speaks a sober heart" (which not only hurts him because it's true, but also because it causes others to mock him) and 2) Andy in the next page says that he thinks Chelsea might have a crush on him. The very next day, Cooper acts like a jerk and their relationship gradually collapses because both of these things brought up feelings that he can't either admit, understand or accept. After that, they're not really friends anymore, but Cooper cherishes their rivalry in a way, because it keeps them at least somewhat close.
And that's my main point there: I think Cooper's main problem is his feelings with Andy. Sure, he's gone through a lot of hard times, and his father's death is not the least. But this event has not been brought up ever again if I remember correctly. People are only assuming it's his father's ghost which haunts him and causes him to be miserable/a jerk. But you know what's been shown to haunt his thoughts time and time again instead? Andy, Andy, Andy, Andy. Always. Look at The internship page32, last frames. There is barely any text, but those facial expressions say so much about what's going on deep inside.
Andy is not the cure, but Cooper's unability to come to terms with his feelings for him is the disease instead. And even though it's happening in a way that's far from the ideal one, the fact that Cooper is admitting to himself that those feelings are real is a pretty good first step towards healing. It is also a very good first step towards curing his other problem, which is his insecurity, as showed by the numerous times when the potential judgement of others has terrified him. Even if Cooper and Andy don't actually end up in a relationship with each other, progress is being made.
Ultimately, I disagree that Cooper is the way he is because of his chaotic upbringing, and thus I also disagree that the relationship is doomed because of his mental state. He's been shown to have a good side, although the ellipsis on the moments when he's been a good friend might hurt the comic a bit. No one can tell how much better he can be as a person if he accepts himself and stop acting all tough just to seem strong. On the other hand, I totally agree with you that it's not up to Andy to fix Cooper, but I do think Cooper is on the right track to fix himself.
Now I'll say it again, it shouldn't have happened this way. But I want you to look back at the page before this one. Look at the very last frame. Their noses are literally separated by one pixel, and I'm willing to bet that it's a clear deliberate artistic choice. The person whom he couldn't ever admit to loving, but his greatest obsession for many years nonetheless. Right there, pulling him so close while telling him that he misses him and the way they were before. I don't see how he could think about anything in that split second. As for Andy, he is in shock, and has been shown to have tender feelings for Cooper before, even though he put them away because of that they've become. I find what happens on this page very understandable, it's deeply buried feelings bursting out all of a sudden, out of control. Way too much out of control for it to be considered as an act of selfishness. Nonetheless, like I said before, they (both of them, not just Cooper) will still have to face the consequences and I'm waiting for the next pages to show exactly that.
(PS: On a side note, I am amazed by the amount of people here who judge Cooper as the ultimate, 100% toxic jerk and are now very mad at both him and Andy, but have had no problem whatsoever with Emery hiring a young man out of sexual interest or Chelsea getting into a relationship with the person who, I'm quoting those people, "sexually assaulted" her best friend.)
PS: I'm sorry for the big wall of text, I got carried away but I like overthinking stuff I guess, and I really enjoy all the subtext in this comic. My english might be off a bit, too. Please understand and be indulgent, it's not my native language.
First of all, thank you for your response. I do enjoy a debate in which people acknowledge the viewpoints of others.
You raise some good points yourself as well, which got me to actually think over notions that I hadn't considered yet.
Although, I would like to qualify a bit on some aspects.
First, the "bad father" argument, which I've seen a lot in this comic's comment threads... I think it's brought up way too much. It is undeniable that Cooper's father has had a negative influence on the way he grew up. But I do not think for a second that it is the main reason for his questionable behavior. I'll come back to this.
Actually, Cooper's character hasn't been "take and don't give back" for the entirety of the comic in my opinion. In the part where he works for school with Andy, he is shown as working really hard to succeed. Now for sure, he's being helped. But he's not just copying his friend's homework. He's trying his hardest to actually graduate. Moreover, although it really DOES seem interested for him to come back to Andy like that... Is Andy the only smart kid in the class that he could have asked for help? They parted in pretty bad terms three years before that, so Andy might not have been the best choice if his only goal was to get help. I see it as an excuse to actually get back in touch with him.
Also keep in mind after the night they spent together after he had a panic attack, they were supposedly in very good terms for four years ("four years later" Summer's gone p42), until 1) Chelsea hurts him with her remark "A drunk mind speaks a sober heart" (which not only hurts him because it's true, but also because it causes others to mock him) and 2) Andy in the next page says that he thinks Chelsea might have a crush on him. The very next day, Cooper acts like a jerk and their relationship gradually collapses because both of these things brought up feelings that he can't either admit, understand or accept. After that, they're not really friends anymore, but Cooper cherishes their rivalry in a way, because it keeps them at least somewhat close.
And that's my main point there: I think Cooper's main problem is his feelings with Andy. Sure, he's gone through a lot of hard times, and his father's death is not the least. But this event has not been brought up ever again if I remember correctly. People are only assuming it's his father's ghost which haunts him and causes him to be miserable/a jerk. But you know what's been shown to haunt his thoughts time and time again instead? Andy, Andy, Andy, Andy. Always. Look at The internship page32, last frames. There is barely any text, but those facial expressions say so much about what's going on deep inside.
Andy is not the cure, but Cooper's unability to come to terms with his feelings for him is the disease instead. And even though it's happening in a way that's far from the ideal one, the fact that Cooper is admitting to himself that those feelings are real is a pretty good first step towards healing. It is also a very good first step towards curing his other problem, which is his insecurity, as showed by the numerous times when the potential judgement of others has terrified him. Even if Cooper and Andy don't actually end up in a relationship with each other, progress is being made.
Ultimately, I disagree that Cooper is the way he is because of his chaotic upbringing, and thus I also disagree that the relationship is doomed because of his mental state. He's been shown to have a good side, although the ellipsis on the moments when he's been a good friend might hurt the comic a bit. No one can tell how much better he can be as a person if he accepts himself and stop acting all tough just to seem strong. On the other hand, I totally agree with you that it's not up to Andy to fix Cooper, but I do think Cooper is on the right track to fix himself.
Now I'll say it again, it shouldn't have happened this way. But I want you to look back at the page before this one. Look at the very last frame. Their noses are literally separated by one pixel, and I'm willing to bet that it's a clear deliberate artistic choice. The person whom he couldn't ever admit to loving, but his greatest obsession for many years nonetheless. Right there, pulling him so close while telling him that he misses him and the way they were before. I don't see how he could think about anything in that split second. As for Andy, he is in shock, and has been shown to have tender feelings for Cooper before, even though he put them away because of that they've become. I find what happens on this page very understandable, it's deeply buried feelings bursting out all of a sudden, out of control. Way too much out of control for it to be considered as an act of selfishness. Nonetheless, like I said before, they (both of them, not just Cooper) will still have to face the consequences and I'm waiting for the next pages to show exactly that.
(PS: On a side note, I am amazed by the amount of people here who judge Cooper as the ultimate, 100% toxic jerk and are now very mad at both him and Andy, but have had no problem whatsoever with Emery hiring a young man out of sexual interest or Chelsea getting into a relationship with the person who, I'm quoting those people, "sexually assaulted" her best friend.)
PS: I'm sorry for the big wall of text, I got carried away but I like overthinking stuff I guess, and I really enjoy all the subtext in this comic. My english might be off a bit, too. Please understand and be indulgent, it's not my native language.
I think you're being a bit harsh on that. i'll agree that it was a BAD MOVE, even if its great that coopers coming out with how he feels, and great that andy seems to feel for him as well, thats massively outweighed by the cheating, which is inexcusable. For me though, it doesnt render either of them unlikable, it just renders them both as making a huge mistake by jumping into this, and it presents some issues they are going to have to solve, and learn from in the end. I feel for these characters still, I still like them all, but that's not an excuse. I just hope your displeasure with the characters isnt also for the comic~! hope you're still enjoying it! i know i am!
That being said I totally get where you're coming from. because it's like, If I were in Chelseas place, i'd never see either of them as likable again, and maybe the situation would be too much, and maybe her opinions the only one that matters because shes the one who's being betrayed by 2 people here. im on the fence myself! They aren't bad people, but they are making a HUUUUGE mistake at the expense of someone's heart, and that's one thing you just don't mess with!
Maybe she'll hate them.
Maybe she's desperately in love with Cooper and will be horribly betrayed.
Maybe she'll lose her cool and completely flip and go postal on them.
Maybe she'll be a broken husk of a person after this.
Maybe she's smart enough to see that they've been failing to be honest with each other all the time she's known them.
Maybe she doesn't realize it, but will have the maturity to move forward with life.
Maybe she'll tell them to fuck off because friendship and respect are not nearly as important as ownership in a relationship and she'll definitely force Cooper to get it up.
Maybe Chel will be like you and other people who would hate Coop and Andy after this.
Maybe Chel will be her own person and do something completely different than what you would do, just like some other people do.
Maybe we don't know yet, and our world views color our preference.
Hopefully we understand that everybody has different views and opinions and ours are not better or worse than theirs.
Maybe she's desperately in love with Cooper and will be horribly betrayed.
Maybe she'll lose her cool and completely flip and go postal on them.
Maybe she'll be a broken husk of a person after this.
Maybe she's smart enough to see that they've been failing to be honest with each other all the time she's known them.
Maybe she doesn't realize it, but will have the maturity to move forward with life.
Maybe she'll tell them to fuck off because friendship and respect are not nearly as important as ownership in a relationship and she'll definitely force Cooper to get it up.
Maybe Chel will be like you and other people who would hate Coop and Andy after this.
Maybe Chel will be her own person and do something completely different than what you would do, just like some other people do.
Maybe we don't know yet, and our world views color our preference.
Hopefully we understand that everybody has different views and opinions and ours are not better or worse than theirs.
I never said I hate andy or cooper, ill just say that haha. All I said was beginning to cheat on Chel was a big big error, and kissing Chels boyfriend was a big big error, regardless of the situation, and regardless of how someone is going to react, because you dont know how someones going to react to a betrayal like that.
True enough, words suck and get bent and escalated far too easily. I apologize and thank you for your understanding.
If nobody did anything that was an error, it would be a Mary Sue. If everybody got in trouble fully for all their errors, a lot of people would not be where they are right now. So it's really difficult to say that nobody should or will ever make errors.
Perhaps it goes far to show just how desperate Cooper is that he made that error, and even more so how desperate Andy is to reciprocate. Emotions are Serious Businessā¢.
If nobody did anything that was an error, it would be a Mary Sue. If everybody got in trouble fully for all their errors, a lot of people would not be where they are right now. So it's really difficult to say that nobody should or will ever make errors.
Perhaps it goes far to show just how desperate Cooper is that he made that error, and even more so how desperate Andy is to reciprocate. Emotions are Serious Businessā¢.
Oh trust me, I love some ludwig wittgenstein, and almost everything he talks about is language and miscommunication haha it happens! and no problem :)
Its true, everyone makes errors, but it always depends on the error, and I'm also not saying that Chel shouldnt atleast try and understand why cooper and andy did that behind her back, but what I am saying is there's no excuse for what they did, but there sure can be understandings for it. Like, Coopers in a terrible headspace, hes in this relationship he doesn't seem to want to be in, hes repressed his sexuality for so long, and this was his breaking point. And thats understandable, but at the same time he is in a relationship, and when you're in one, you hold someones heart and emotions in your hand, and you took on that responsibility willingly when you got involved, and its your responsibility to handle things as best you can, to not hurt the innocent person who's heart you're holding. They trusted you, and they love you, and they don't deserve to be betrayed. Emotions are serious business, but emotions dont always lead you to the right decision, or they lead you to a shortcut to the right decision that's only shorter at the expense of others, that and Chels might experience some strong emotion as a result, and then you can take up the same logic as her, then who's right and who's wrong? How do you decide where to go? I think andy and cooper should hold off, cooper should confront his GF with his sexuality (which would help himself confront it) and break things off, and only then try anything with andy. That imo would be the wisest decision, and Chels still gonna be hurt, but she won't be betrayed ontop of it
Its true, everyone makes errors, but it always depends on the error, and I'm also not saying that Chel shouldnt atleast try and understand why cooper and andy did that behind her back, but what I am saying is there's no excuse for what they did, but there sure can be understandings for it. Like, Coopers in a terrible headspace, hes in this relationship he doesn't seem to want to be in, hes repressed his sexuality for so long, and this was his breaking point. And thats understandable, but at the same time he is in a relationship, and when you're in one, you hold someones heart and emotions in your hand, and you took on that responsibility willingly when you got involved, and its your responsibility to handle things as best you can, to not hurt the innocent person who's heart you're holding. They trusted you, and they love you, and they don't deserve to be betrayed. Emotions are serious business, but emotions dont always lead you to the right decision, or they lead you to a shortcut to the right decision that's only shorter at the expense of others, that and Chels might experience some strong emotion as a result, and then you can take up the same logic as her, then who's right and who's wrong? How do you decide where to go? I think andy and cooper should hold off, cooper should confront his GF with his sexuality (which would help himself confront it) and break things off, and only then try anything with andy. That imo would be the wisest decision, and Chels still gonna be hurt, but she won't be betrayed ontop of it
How do you know Chel doesn't already know and has been plotting this from the start?
As readers, we can only speculate on what will occur. We can think based on our own minds what SHOULD occur, but what does occur isn't always what we want to have happen. That applies to IRL and stories both.
And art. There'll always be great art EXCEPT for one specific feature that nags at you until you close the pic in disgust.
But it is what it is. That jerk got the girl in high school despite being an absolute ass when the nice guy really loved her. The character in the story was okay with the revelation of doom. And that picture has ONE feature that you can't stand, and if it weren't for that, it would be totally fapworthy.
As readers, we can only speculate on what will occur. We can think based on our own minds what SHOULD occur, but what does occur isn't always what we want to have happen. That applies to IRL and stories both.
And art. There'll always be great art EXCEPT for one specific feature that nags at you until you close the pic in disgust.
But it is what it is. That jerk got the girl in high school despite being an absolute ass when the nice guy really loved her. The character in the story was okay with the revelation of doom. And that picture has ONE feature that you can't stand, and if it weren't for that, it would be totally fapworthy.
Yeah, but that was literally years and years ago, and it seemed like it had faded into the background to friendship at best, with the start of the main comic basically showing them as having lost most, if not all, of that by then. Which is my whole point. I get that they were cute together back then, and could have been a good couple if Cooper hadn't kept shutting himself down.
But that was then. I'm not opposed to them getting together, but I need to see something to explain why Andy has decided that this is what he wants compared to what he had, or if he's lost what he had, or if something else has happened.
But that was then. I'm not opposed to them getting together, but I need to see something to explain why Andy has decided that this is what he wants compared to what he had, or if he's lost what he had, or if something else has happened.
"Hate and dislike and competition"
Bruh. That's what it's like being friends with a straight guy...there's one in particular who's said all kinds of awful things to me, but I know he doesn't /really/ mean them (the strangely long, I'm-going-to-make-there-be-only-a-foot-of-space-between-us looks he gives me when we're talking while he's fucked up help a lot). Even if his girlfriend is a cunt and I know he'll never, EVER give that small, borderline subliminal impulse a voice.
I'm rambling now. This. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9ng42UnYDY
Bruh. That's what it's like being friends with a straight guy...there's one in particular who's said all kinds of awful things to me, but I know he doesn't /really/ mean them (the strangely long, I'm-going-to-make-there-be-only-a-foot-of-space-between-us looks he gives me when we're talking while he's fucked up help a lot). Even if his girlfriend is a cunt and I know he'll never, EVER give that small, borderline subliminal impulse a voice.
I'm rambling now. This. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9ng42UnYDY
I get the relationship thus far. The back and forth between Cooper and Andy has been good and believable. It's Andy's sudden falling for Cooper after all that which gets at me. Unless there's a lot of stuff that happened to Andy as well during this time that we haven't seen, what possible reason does he have to suddenly return these affections to this degree? That's the thing that bothers me.
I think the Point is that they have both always liked each other in this way, they just showed (or didn't show it) it in different ways. Andy showed it by helping Cooper out and being extremely tolerant of him. Cooper's attitude is probably why Andy never let it show before, but now he's finally validated.
Also not all attractions make perfect sense from outside views, which is why you have people in abusive relationships, but the page before this does imply their relationship had some better times in the past beyond what's shown in the comic.
Also not all attractions make perfect sense from outside views, which is why you have people in abusive relationships, but the page before this does imply their relationship had some better times in the past beyond what's shown in the comic.
I get where you're coming from. I don't really think anything could work between them since they have all that which you've listed going between them. It's always seemed like a brother/brother relationship or cousin/cousin thing as opposed to unrequited love.
But you never know.
(I realize I sounded incestuous, not my implication)
But you never know.
(I realize I sounded incestuous, not my implication)
It's partly that, but it's also that, while Cooper chasing Andy and finally giving into his feelings makes perfect sense - we had that huge background build-up of how he got that way - Andy returning them just makes me go *blink blink* "...what?"
Not because of what they might be as a couple, but unless things have massively changed since the previous chapter, with him and the boss dog, I seriously have to wonder how the hell this adds up. I'm not opposed to it if it can be explained, but honestly, it just feels weird.
Not because of what they might be as a couple, but unless things have massively changed since the previous chapter, with him and the boss dog, I seriously have to wonder how the hell this adds up. I'm not opposed to it if it can be explained, but honestly, it just feels weird.
I see where you're coming from. Andy's reaction took me by surprise a bit because it's been much less foreshadowed that he has strong romantic feelings for Cooper, although the comic seems to have been leaning towards them getting together for a while now. It seems a bit counter to Andy's personality to act on impulse like this, too, assuming that he is indeed caught up in the heat of the moment. If it's a calculated decision, then he's definitely being a dick to Chelsea (and less so Emery); it's a dick move regardless, obviously, but doing it with conscious intent makes it much worse.
We'll see what happens in the coming pages. I'm not so upset by this 'twist' at the moment and I'm willing to give the character-bending a pass depending on how things continue to develop. For one, I would expect Chelsea to flip out about this, in a bad way; even cool, easy-going people have limits and she doesn't seem the type to tolerate infidelity from Cooper given how supportive she's been all along. Her being excited and prepping for a 3-way would be a bad direction for this otherwise compelling comic to head in. x3
We'll see what happens in the coming pages. I'm not so upset by this 'twist' at the moment and I'm willing to give the character-bending a pass depending on how things continue to develop. For one, I would expect Chelsea to flip out about this, in a bad way; even cool, easy-going people have limits and she doesn't seem the type to tolerate infidelity from Cooper given how supportive she's been all along. Her being excited and prepping for a 3-way would be a bad direction for this otherwise compelling comic to head in. x3
Yeah, I'm not 'upset' so much about them being in a relationship, just...annoyed that this kinda comes more out of nowhere than it should. It's not ENTIRELY baseless, particularly on Cooper's side, but I would have thought that we'd see more of a 'why' with Andy for this. I'm fine with almost anything in a story as long as it makes sense, and this particular moment, for me, wasn't built up to that.
And if the next few pages are going to go into a flashback of Andy thinking about Cooper this way, I will go a bit crazy, because THAT is just fixing something after the fact, which bugs the hell out of me.
I do agree with you about the stuff with Chelsea and the others, though. This will be the point in the comic where we find out if it stays well-written or if it's going to go off the rails for the sake of making this happen.
And if the next few pages are going to go into a flashback of Andy thinking about Cooper this way, I will go a bit crazy, because THAT is just fixing something after the fact, which bugs the hell out of me.
I do agree with you about the stuff with Chelsea and the others, though. This will be the point in the comic where we find out if it stays well-written or if it's going to go off the rails for the sake of making this happen.
Yeah, I agree with you on an immediate flashback sequence. Maybe he's planning on doing another flashback comic like Summer's Gone for Andy, which would help but would have been nice to have before the release of this page so that Andy's motivations were more established. I saw Andy's non-relationship with Cooper as maybe having elements of attraction early on - Cooper is attractive - but those feelings were more or less extinguished by all of Cooper's subsequent behavior. Not to mention that Andy himself wasn't entirely sure about his own same-sex attraction as of early Vol. 1, and it took considerable encouragement from Emery and Chelsea for him to even enter into a homosexual relationship (of sorts; as nice as Emery has been throughout Vol. 1, the power dynamic between boss and subordinate makes romance inherently problematic in my view, but that's a different topic). Maybe his experience with Emery awakened some latent sexual desire that Andy doesn't know how to control?
I feel like at this point I'm looking too far into actions that are truly character-bending and mostly unjustifiable based on our current understanding of Andy, lol.
I feel like at this point I'm looking too far into actions that are truly character-bending and mostly unjustifiable based on our current understanding of Andy, lol.
To be fair, it's not like they ever became exclusive, but yeah, it's kind of jarring to see Andy start making out with Cooper without a second thought on how he's currently dating someone, and even worse because they're at Chelsea's house and Cooper is Chelsea's boyfriend. That is some serious backstabbing that Andy's indulging into here.
Never suggested they were exclusive, but from my own past experiences, having just started a sexual relationship with someone and not having defined it yet, if one cares about that person at all, there would be some consideration that they might be hurting them by kissing someone else. Guess those young hormones are too much to handle. And yeah, I can only imagine tons of incoming drama.
I love Andy's expressions in this. Shock, Understanding, Seeing that Coop was just going to go back to bottling it up and taking it out on Andy... And the whole "Oh no you don't!" XD
I know there's gonna be drama ahead, and I think... Andy might loose his job? I don't know, It's your story to tell, but oh what a ride it's been!
I know there's gonna be drama ahead, and I think... Andy might loose his job? I don't know, It's your story to tell, but oh what a ride it's been!
IMO, the most interesting route from this point forward is folks trying to navigate the desire/need to be supportive, but also to honor past commitments, and to continue learning themselves/each other, while weirdly desiring a return to normalcy. However, that one page ages ago with the spooky scary phone call has me nervous, from a meta perspective. Aside from that one blip, this has been really, really good so far. Like, good as a comic in general, great for a romance/NSFW comic, and crazy super good for a furry comic.
i'm actually concerned about this, yes this is a good thing, but now the boss... his OTHER lover was just thrown under the bus...? like what the heck...? what about him? its kinda a kick to the face for me personally because this sortof thing happened to me -le sigh- but if that's the way the comic goes, oh well.
It's a tough situation to be in for sure but someone was bound to get hurt. There is almost always going to be a casualty when two people like one person and that one person has to decide between them. Everything in this story says Andy should be with Emery, but it's clear he still has feelings for Cooper and in a realistic scenario that isn't something you can just switch off.
Aaaaaaaaand now Emery is gonna get broken up with - we haven't been introduced to a new character that he could end up with instead as far as I remember, and since this comic has been tagged as a "love triangle" comic, I have doubts they'd all end up in a mutually beneficial and healthy polyamorous relationship. So, if anything, he'll likely just get broken up with and left alone. Which sucks, not just because I liked that ship, but because he hasn't done anything to make it seem like he deserves that, and I'm sure he's not going back to his wife after a divorce.
Given that these two have a history together, I'm finding it unlikely that Andy and Cooper WON'T end up together now that they've kissed.
Can someone assure me this comic has a truly happy ending? Or that Emery and Andy won't split up? I'm finding that a lot of comics here on FA seem to lack actual happy endings and it's starting to depress me -_-
Given that these two have a history together, I'm finding it unlikely that Andy and Cooper WON'T end up together now that they've kissed.
Can someone assure me this comic has a truly happy ending? Or that Emery and Andy won't split up? I'm finding that a lot of comics here on FA seem to lack actual happy endings and it's starting to depress me -_-
This makes TWO separate comics I'm reading where the guy who was previously straight as an arrow and was borderline abusive in previous parts of the story suddenly moves in on the obviously gay one after a dramatic moment alone, and instead of everyone cheering that the ship is finally starting to leave the harbor there's a bunch of people who are somehow angry that the first guy had the nerve to try to kiss the second.
Ferchrissakes people, this is a piece of fiction. These characters don't exist. Even if they're composites of real people from the author's life distilled into characters, we only know what the author shows us. Let's just enjoy the ride a little more. It's a sign that you don't have faith in the storyteller when you respond this way. There's clearly a resolution on its way; this is just part of the process of reaching it.
Ferchrissakes people, this is a piece of fiction. These characters don't exist. Even if they're composites of real people from the author's life distilled into characters, we only know what the author shows us. Let's just enjoy the ride a little more. It's a sign that you don't have faith in the storyteller when you respond this way. There's clearly a resolution on its way; this is just part of the process of reaching it.
Oh dear Lord...
I can see Andy just trying to resist. But when you've waited so long and it just happens out of nowhere and you just can't help yourself. They should'nt have done that but I understand how it is to have that person you wanted so badly just centimeters away from you. I would've lost my shit too.
I can see Andy just trying to resist. But when you've waited so long and it just happens out of nowhere and you just can't help yourself. They should'nt have done that but I understand how it is to have that person you wanted so badly just centimeters away from you. I would've lost my shit too.
Huh, glad this tactic worked out for Andy. Last time I told someone something similar- they called me a dick.
The direction I see this taking is Andy being forced to pick between furthering his career or pursuing a relationship with a longstanding and emotionally burdened crush.
Part of what surprises me about all of this is Cooper's current state given his longstanding relationship with Chelsea?
She strikes me as a strong person who has a great ability to see straight to the core of things. I would've thought after all this time she'd have caught on to Cooper's problems, and tried to work through them with him.
Honestly if there hadn't been that intimate scene in Summer's gone I never would've guessed they were dating. I had thought she was just friends with both guys. Even when I had seen the scene in Summer's gone I thought 'oh, they used to date.'
The direction I see this taking is Andy being forced to pick between furthering his career or pursuing a relationship with a longstanding and emotionally burdened crush.
Part of what surprises me about all of this is Cooper's current state given his longstanding relationship with Chelsea?
She strikes me as a strong person who has a great ability to see straight to the core of things. I would've thought after all this time she'd have caught on to Cooper's problems, and tried to work through them with him.
Honestly if there hadn't been that intimate scene in Summer's gone I never would've guessed they were dating. I had thought she was just friends with both guys. Even when I had seen the scene in Summer's gone I thought 'oh, they used to date.'
You've created so many incredible pages in this story, but this was one I was really looking forward to. You could have taken it a number of directions, and I'm glad you went the way you did. An awesome page, not needing any dialog. Coop seems conflicted, but I have no doubt you'll continue this story in your amazing way. :3
I'm personally not rooting for Andy x Cooper, but that doesn't mean I want them to be in bad terms. Cooper has a LOT to let out and Andy - for better or worse - is the only one that can help him there.
Now that we're taking that turn though, I'm hoping for an outcome similar to what happened to Korra and Mako, as in, getting together, realizing they're not for each other due to the clashing differences, help each other overcome their flaws, and continue with their lives. However, even if there's an Andy and Cooper ending, at this point I'm sure it won't be just 'they fucked, Coop apologized, the end' so either way I'm excited to keep reading.
Now that we're taking that turn though, I'm hoping for an outcome similar to what happened to Korra and Mako, as in, getting together, realizing they're not for each other due to the clashing differences, help each other overcome their flaws, and continue with their lives. However, even if there's an Andy and Cooper ending, at this point I'm sure it won't be just 'they fucked, Coop apologized, the end' so either way I'm excited to keep reading.
Remember when I said, "this panels is basically screaming 'kiss me you fool'ā¦" I WAS JOKING!!!
Not that I disagree about this, but it's no less of a shock. Oh and that rebound return kiss.
Andy got bold a little fast in this caseā¦ whooboyā¦ what's his boss gonna thinkā¦
Not that I disagree about this, but it's no less of a shock. Oh and that rebound return kiss.
Andy got bold a little fast in this caseā¦ whooboyā¦ what's his boss gonna thinkā¦
THERE IT IS! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Man the tension was too high. So glad Cooper made the first move! I can only imagine how much his head was racing throughout the entire encounter. I can also see how hard this is for him.
Just....man. Good on ya Cooper. But now they both have a lot to figure out.
Man the tension was too high. So glad Cooper made the first move! I can only imagine how much his head was racing throughout the entire encounter. I can also see how hard this is for him.
Just....man. Good on ya Cooper. But now they both have a lot to figure out.
Noooooo >.> I dont understand why people are accepting this with open arms. Im mot saying this takes away from the story, quite the opposite (good stories feel real and life doesnt always go the way you'd like). But Coop is a jerk. Plain and Simple. Im not surprised, but I'm disappointed in Andy for not having enough self respect to turn him down or enough control to respect his relationship with Avery or respect his friendship with Chelsea.
Cooper: I ALWAYS LOVED YOU, ANDY!
Andy: Coo.. Cooper.
Cooper: I'm sorry. I've always had feelings for you, but... (Hangs his head on his chest) My Father's ghost kept haunting me! I just couldn't bring myself to admit it!
Andy: Oh Cooper.
Cooper: I understand if you still want your boss. I'm just glad I can be free from that ass-- Mmh!
Andy: I ALWAYS LOVED YOU TOO, COOPER!
This is me translating their expressions. When it comes to scenes like this, you don't need words to express your feelings.
Andy: Coo.. Cooper.
Cooper: I'm sorry. I've always had feelings for you, but... (Hangs his head on his chest) My Father's ghost kept haunting me! I just couldn't bring myself to admit it!
Andy: Oh Cooper.
Cooper: I understand if you still want your boss. I'm just glad I can be free from that ass-- Mmh!
Andy: I ALWAYS LOVED YOU TOO, COOPER!
This is me translating their expressions. When it comes to scenes like this, you don't need words to express your feelings.
So, for those comment on Andy's supposed return kiss. This could easily be a misdirection, since all we see is his back. Andy could have him grabbed by the collar going "What the fuck!?!?!". Now, like quite a few here, I want to see them together. But if we're being honest, they do have some shit to work out. Both with those they're currently with and with each other. Again, what I want to see here is this moment to just be a realization for Cooper and he makes a turn to being a healthier person. Or Andy looks at him and says "Get your shit together and then we can give this a go". Either way i'm interested to see where this goes.
Hmm...Chel's gonna flip, yeah. But I'm really interested in that first page of this chapter. I think Emery is hiding something still. All these people that have their hearts pinned to Emery's sleeve...I think they're eventually going to be in for a shock. I don't think he is who they think he is..
I see a potential flip-flop between Cooper's and Emery's roles. The one has been presented as a douche for the first part of the comic, but actually manages to unearth a heart of gold while the other has been presented as sincere and sweet, but actually turns out to be a selfish manipulator and a liar.
Of course this is nothing but conjecture. An interesting twist and plot reversal opportunity, but in the end it might be that Emery is actually genuine. I just don't completely trust him, personally.
I see a potential flip-flop between Cooper's and Emery's roles. The one has been presented as a douche for the first part of the comic, but actually manages to unearth a heart of gold while the other has been presented as sincere and sweet, but actually turns out to be a selfish manipulator and a liar.
Of course this is nothing but conjecture. An interesting twist and plot reversal opportunity, but in the end it might be that Emery is actually genuine. I just don't completely trust him, personally.
Damn, it's literally raining men for Andy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5aZJBLAu1E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5aZJBLAu1E
"I didn't see this coming!"
Gonna be blunt. If after 13-15 years of build-up between them, this was BOUND to happen, other less significant relationships be damned, especially with alcohol in their systems removing their inhibitions. If you didn't seriously see this coming, especially after reading the entire comic (doubly so after the "Summers Gone" bit), then you're a fucking idiot with the emotional intelligence and ability to get signals of a dead gold fish.
"How horrible of them both!"
It might have been bad for the others, but they gotta think of themselves. Gotta take care of yourself(selves). Because in the end, who else will? These guys are both far closer, have known each other far longer. It would tear them up on the inside for years to come, not unlike Cooper's dad, given his overcompensating homophobic talk. I figure the guy finally had enough and the alcohol/drugs he took to dull the pain finally did him in. Doesn't make him less of a scumbag for being abusive to his kid, mind, but damn.
Gonna be blunt. If after 13-15 years of build-up between them, this was BOUND to happen, other less significant relationships be damned, especially with alcohol in their systems removing their inhibitions. If you didn't seriously see this coming, especially after reading the entire comic (doubly so after the "Summers Gone" bit), then you're a fucking idiot with the emotional intelligence and ability to get signals of a dead gold fish.
"How horrible of them both!"
It might have been bad for the others, but they gotta think of themselves. Gotta take care of yourself(selves). Because in the end, who else will? These guys are both far closer, have known each other far longer. It would tear them up on the inside for years to come, not unlike Cooper's dad, given his overcompensating homophobic talk. I figure the guy finally had enough and the alcohol/drugs he took to dull the pain finally did him in. Doesn't make him less of a scumbag for being abusive to his kid, mind, but damn.
FINALLY!!! Jeezus Crisp! This story has literally kept me up at night thinking about how this would happen. The anticipation of Cooper finally getting his head out of his *** was so incredible. Not only is the story incredibly heart wrenching and well done, the art is so detailed that one can easily see the emotional responses of these characters. As previously stated in this comment section, you can see the internal struggle of Cooper opening up on the outside. That's one of the most difficult things to do for an artist. You and whoever have worked on this with you are incredibly talented and I can't wait to see more!
Imagine if trees knew they were trees
Would they still be trees
They take in the air, and change it a bit
But they would know it would change right back
They make their leaves to take in the sun's light
But they know they would eventually fall off
They are also made of wood
Which will most likely be chopped down
So if a tree knew it was a tree
Would it try to be anything else
Probably yes, but that's just the thing
It will always be a tree
But that doesn't mean it must grow
Any certain way
It can twist, curl, bend, and curve
It could even be skinny or fat
So although it may still be a tree
It can still be a tree in it's own way
Late on commenting on this...
As much as I know it was the trope for many comics of this sort, I was really hoping that the "back to where we were" thing in the last panel of the previous comic meant getting back to being friends... This just way jumped over that, and in a way that doesn't sit that well with me. I agree that Cooper deserves something better than life has dealt him, but at the same time I don't think you can be a jerk to someone for years and years but they suddenly just accept you because "you were compensating for your true feelings". Andy has something good starting with Avery, and even if Cooper and Chelsea aren't in a great place relationship-wise, they're still officially a couple and needed to work it out (as opposed to the shitshow that's beginning in the next page that's already up). Andy literally jumping on Cooper like that feels... very misplaced, IMO. Even if Andy previously had feelings for Cooper, I was under the impression that the years of mild abuse had dulled that to the point of no longer being an interest. He certainly has shown very little interest - and even the occasional outright antagonism of his own - to Cooper through the comic to date. Gotta say I was really hoping for something different than the usual trope here.
All that said, one this I haven't seen much before is having the heel-face-turn character already in a hetero relationship - usually because said character doesn't get much screen time before the heel-face-turn. Will be interesting (and probably painful) to watch this all play out.
As much as I know it was the trope for many comics of this sort, I was really hoping that the "back to where we were" thing in the last panel of the previous comic meant getting back to being friends... This just way jumped over that, and in a way that doesn't sit that well with me. I agree that Cooper deserves something better than life has dealt him, but at the same time I don't think you can be a jerk to someone for years and years but they suddenly just accept you because "you were compensating for your true feelings". Andy has something good starting with Avery, and even if Cooper and Chelsea aren't in a great place relationship-wise, they're still officially a couple and needed to work it out (as opposed to the shitshow that's beginning in the next page that's already up). Andy literally jumping on Cooper like that feels... very misplaced, IMO. Even if Andy previously had feelings for Cooper, I was under the impression that the years of mild abuse had dulled that to the point of no longer being an interest. He certainly has shown very little interest - and even the occasional outright antagonism of his own - to Cooper through the comic to date. Gotta say I was really hoping for something different than the usual trope here.
All that said, one this I haven't seen much before is having the heel-face-turn character already in a hetero relationship - usually because said character doesn't get much screen time before the heel-face-turn. Will be interesting (and probably painful) to watch this all play out.
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