
L3-37 has nothing compere to Dot Matrix from Spaceballs.
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I haven't seen Solo, only read on Wookieepedia and seen a few clips on YouTube, but what is it about L3-37 that is "feminist"? To my knowledge, all she wants is for droids to be treated equally, which other droids in the expanded universe/legends have also expressed a desire for. What droid wouldn't? You know, other than the ones who are conditioned to be subservient and get their memories wiped every time they 'wrongthink' in the presence of their slave masters... Should she not fight for them?
I'll agree that the treatment of droids in Star Wars has been a sticking point for me. However, consider the source of her character, namely the current writers of Star Wars and the current executive producer, all of them self-professed left-wing political activists. Also, from what I've heard by anecdote, L3-37 repeats feminist political platforms practically verbatim only with "droids" in place of "women." So from what I've gathered from those who've seen these films, from people who have openly stated they consider themselves politically left-leaning, L3-37 has come across even to these liberally-inclined people as behaving like a mouthpiece for the writers and producers to spout their politics.
Okay, so, you DON'T dislike the notion of a droid revolutionary or perhaps even a female one, but rather the fact that vocally-egalitarian writers created a vocally-egalitarian character. That by itself is why she should be regarded as bad? Or, a common thing I hear people saying, "worse than Jar Jar"? I'm really trying to not get pissed off right now after all this stuff I'm reading and hearing from everyone. Trying and failing.
Just going by THAT logic, it'd be all the reason you need to dislike this one character of mine named Absalom; long story short, he was a soldier who took part in the Revolutionary War against the British Empire after he listened to a public reading of the Declaration of Independence; he was greatly inspired by its words, chiefly "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and all following statements contained in the document. But years after the war was won, and after many ultimately fruitless attempts to peacefully end slavery and resolve other problems that contradicted the Declaration's words, Absalom resorted to launching a violent coup d'état against George Washington in 1790, and put in place a philanthropy state that TRULY existed for global freedom from tyranny. After all, the declaration also promises the people the right to alter or abolish a government that is destructive those certain unalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
You'd take issue with that, NOT necessarily because you disagree with that premise, in fact I imagine you might think it's fine, although I don't mind if you'd have points of criticism about certain things. BUT, there'd be an issue because I made a character who believes slavery should be fought tooth-and-nail, while I happen to be a person who feels the same way as him. So I should shelve Absalom or rewrite him as a villain or something, just like how L3-37's writers should have refrained from making her as they did, right? If so, why should people have to only ever write about characters that we have ideological disagreements with? If not, why am I getting a pass for what I wrote but not the writers of L3-37?
Just going by THAT logic, it'd be all the reason you need to dislike this one character of mine named Absalom; long story short, he was a soldier who took part in the Revolutionary War against the British Empire after he listened to a public reading of the Declaration of Independence; he was greatly inspired by its words, chiefly "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and all following statements contained in the document. But years after the war was won, and after many ultimately fruitless attempts to peacefully end slavery and resolve other problems that contradicted the Declaration's words, Absalom resorted to launching a violent coup d'état against George Washington in 1790, and put in place a philanthropy state that TRULY existed for global freedom from tyranny. After all, the declaration also promises the people the right to alter or abolish a government that is destructive those certain unalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
You'd take issue with that, NOT necessarily because you disagree with that premise, in fact I imagine you might think it's fine, although I don't mind if you'd have points of criticism about certain things. BUT, there'd be an issue because I made a character who believes slavery should be fought tooth-and-nail, while I happen to be a person who feels the same way as him. So I should shelve Absalom or rewrite him as a villain or something, just like how L3-37's writers should have refrained from making her as they did, right? If so, why should people have to only ever write about characters that we have ideological disagreements with? If not, why am I getting a pass for what I wrote but not the writers of L3-37?
I'm having a really hard time thinking of how Dot Matrix is feminist, exactly. She's a female servant of a character whose only purpose is to be a prize for the lead male character. The closest she comes to any classic feminist stance is her "virgin alarm", which reinforces the pre-marriage purity double-standard. At no point whatever does she come across as the equal of any male character except, just possibly, Barf.
You're right. Dot Matrix really isn't feminist, and neither is L3-37, it's just what rampant anti-feminists like to call any female protagonist these days.
Like, Jesus Christ, there are droids in Star Wars expanded universe/legends such as HK-47 who call non-droids "meatbags" and want nothing more than to KILL all of them, yet there isn't ONE percent the level of rage against those machines compared to the amount that L3-37 faces. In fact, HK-47 is quite well received, and I like him too as a character; but as you can see in comments here and everywhere else L3-37 is being talked about, the moment this one female droid comes along and says she just wants droids to have equality with organics, all the belligerent cavemen come stomping out of the woods and start drooling and grunting about "feminism".
They sit here and think nobody should be allowed to write about female droid-rights activists, but probably feel there should be total free speech to writers who want to portray a male droid-supremacist who wants to rip apart all organic lifeforms limb from limb. To them, the former is pushing an agenda, but the latter is completely okay because it's just a work of fiction that isn't hurting anybody. God forbid those roles be reversed, or there'd be probably another incel-perperrated mass murder rampage or fucking something that'll get less social media backlash than if Anita Sarkeesian talks about how impractical women's armor looks like in video games.
Anyway, I hope you don't mind those two paragraphs. It's not directed at you in the form of argument, it's just rhetorical and mostly for other people to see. This giant double standard that I ranted on makes my blood boil, and I really wanted to just let it out.
Like, Jesus Christ, there are droids in Star Wars expanded universe/legends such as HK-47 who call non-droids "meatbags" and want nothing more than to KILL all of them, yet there isn't ONE percent the level of rage against those machines compared to the amount that L3-37 faces. In fact, HK-47 is quite well received, and I like him too as a character; but as you can see in comments here and everywhere else L3-37 is being talked about, the moment this one female droid comes along and says she just wants droids to have equality with organics, all the belligerent cavemen come stomping out of the woods and start drooling and grunting about "feminism".
They sit here and think nobody should be allowed to write about female droid-rights activists, but probably feel there should be total free speech to writers who want to portray a male droid-supremacist who wants to rip apart all organic lifeforms limb from limb. To them, the former is pushing an agenda, but the latter is completely okay because it's just a work of fiction that isn't hurting anybody. God forbid those roles be reversed, or there'd be probably another incel-perperrated mass murder rampage or fucking something that'll get less social media backlash than if Anita Sarkeesian talks about how impractical women's armor looks like in video games.
Anyway, I hope you don't mind those two paragraphs. It's not directed at you in the form of argument, it's just rhetorical and mostly for other people to see. This giant double standard that I ranted on makes my blood boil, and I really wanted to just let it out.
Bob: [thinking] Wow... Dot looks amazing. What a babe.
Dot: I heard that.
Bob: What? Did I say it or just think it?
Dot: You thought it. We're telepathic, it's part of our game character.
Bob: Oh, sorry. I better be more careful of what I say, ah... think.
Dot: That'll be a first.
Dot: I heard that.
Bob: What? Did I say it or just think it?
Dot: You thought it. We're telepathic, it's part of our game character.
Bob: Oh, sorry. I better be more careful of what I say, ah... think.
Dot: That'll be a first.
Only caught a tiny bit about the new series.
My take? While the show's creator says he was a Reboot fan, I tend to think the show wanted Tron, instead. But, Disney's Tron probably cost a ton of cash. Reboot probably cost a luncheon at some hamburger stand. And since the show didn't want to just be it's own thing...
My take? While the show's creator says he was a Reboot fan, I tend to think the show wanted Tron, instead. But, Disney's Tron probably cost a ton of cash. Reboot probably cost a luncheon at some hamburger stand. And since the show didn't want to just be it's own thing...
yeah the full motion it's abit looks off... abit more uncanny valley then 90's and early 2000 designs in my opinion.
I think they got the same voice actors? but the writing and direction they gave them makes them off and bad too.
To bad it can't be like Samurai Jack season 5.
a faithful continuous season, even just one more season with no cliff hanger.
I think they got the same voice actors? but the writing and direction they gave them makes them off and bad too.
To bad it can't be like Samurai Jack season 5.
a faithful continuous season, even just one more season with no cliff hanger.
The writers are extremely important, regardless of whom the intended audience may be. After all, one great point about that came on right after the original Reboot. ABC had this really high end (for the day) sci-fi show with effects that were equal to Babylon 5. It really had made some great things going for it. But the writers really destroyed it. They wanted to mix environmental messages in with some kind of playground politics, creating this plot akin to the complexity of Barney.
While I have no idea what these live action 'Power Ranger wanna-be's' may be doing in this reboot sequel, I don't have much faith about the plots. For it would have truly been a great thing if the original writers could have returned. For I was also a fan of War Planets. A family sci-fi with just a little bit of bite. Although, their ambitions were just a little higher then their budget could provide. And their season long story arc that ended in a cliff hanger was never resolved.
While I have no idea what these live action 'Power Ranger wanna-be's' may be doing in this reboot sequel, I don't have much faith about the plots. For it would have truly been a great thing if the original writers could have returned. For I was also a fan of War Planets. A family sci-fi with just a little bit of bite. Although, their ambitions were just a little higher then their budget could provide. And their season long story arc that ended in a cliff hanger was never resolved.
I think what people mean when they say L3-37 is a "first" is that she's the first droid in a Star Wars movie to directly address how shittily-treated droids are. Just to name a couple things in canon, droids are commonly fitted with restraining bolts, which are basically the equivalent to an electronic ball-and-chain; they are also subjected to memory wipes whenever they begin to develop 'undesirable' personality, which is essentially like giving a person a lobotomy if they begin to take a disliking to being enslaved.
These restraining bolts are the devices that Luke removes from R2-D2 and C-3P0 in A New Hope, and also are mentioned in Return of the Jedi when EV-9D9 says the two will be fitted with them to serve Jabba. Memory wipes are referenced in the films and other canon sources as well, including A New Hope when Owen Lars wanted the two aforementioned droids to have their memories wiped when he found out they were trying to find Obi-Wan.
These restraining bolts are the devices that Luke removes from R2-D2 and C-3P0 in A New Hope, and also are mentioned in Return of the Jedi when EV-9D9 says the two will be fitted with them to serve Jabba. Memory wipes are referenced in the films and other canon sources as well, including A New Hope when Owen Lars wanted the two aforementioned droids to have their memories wiped when he found out they were trying to find Obi-Wan.
Interesting counter-argument, unfortunately it ultimately reinforces my original point about other people having done it better already. If you want to convey how crappy things are for people, subtle is usually better then a sledgehammer. The horror is not in how bad things are but in how casually people accept the horrific.
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