Thanks! It's funny because even when I try to draw faces realistically they end up with way more caricature and cartoon qualities than I was originally going for. I love when that happens though.

This is wicked cool.

Why thank you!

Woohoo! You're posting again!

This is wicked awesome, btw. Good to see you've been up to something. :]
Lovely textures. And the cop is seriously well done... That face is perfect.

Hell, it's good to see you posting again. I legitimately thought you were dead at one point. HAH. (Paranoia will do that to a person I guess.)

And you know, coming from you this means a lot to me. I kind of fucking admire you in case that means anything to you.

Hopefully I'll be up to more paintings yes! They're a posting problem usually though because I have a terrible camera...but we'll see.

I almost thought i was dead too... Atleast, I deffinitely felt dead.

Haha, thanks. You know, it goes both ways - I always loved your work and hoped that you'd post more, it's got this very nice feel about it, it's personal, it's fun, it's truthful, (i preffer to stay away from the word "style", but yes, you've got a nice one) it's got things I miss in the rest of this FA pink rubbery cartoon fuckfest... whatever, i just like your stuff. :]

Please post more...
What about the scanner? Technically you could scan a painting and reassemble it in ps. Well, unless you paint wall-sized canvases.

Well I for one am exceptionally glad you stuck around. Seriously.

I have to admit I'm a little light headed from you saying this. You're clearly miles ahead of me in a vast number of artistic areas, and I've always sort of been astounded by the fact that you were even on here...yes the juxtaposition of your beautiful and thought provoking artwork with poorly drawn dog dick was always a most perplexing thing. It kept me up nights. I'm very glad someone gets something out of this self-indulgent screwing around that I end up shrugging off as doodling. I really, really appreciate it. Ah I'm getting sappy...

As for the the reassembling, that's actually what I had to do with this. Scanned it in two parts. It's just my canvases keep getting bigger so I find the idea of scanning and piecing together all of it daunting. Fortunately (also unfortunately..) they won't get wall sized because well, christ, poor college students don't rake in the kind of dough for those.

I'll try to post more though. c:

I'm not sure... the "miles ahead" bit... It's not right thinking like that, to me there's no hierarchy of art - all of it is lateral, slightly interconnected, but mostly every single artist is a world of ideas and a unique approach independent of others. Atleast that's what i value - unique approach, unique viewpoint, truth in some form... truth can sometimes be ugly, but that doesn't make it less true or less beautiful as truth. Many things can make good art (maybe i know a few tricks you don't, but it's also vice versa; no one artist could authentically create the way another does, nor should), but to me - even the most aesthetically pleasing picture is below one that is truthful, honest or just plain fun. (I guess that's why i preffer both seeing and drawing sketches - overaesthetic surface finnish doesn't get in the way.)

The fact that i'm here doesn't mean i've come to act superior and "educate" people... I have to admit... I've drawn dog dick... :P
Also, if you've tried it - doing a good drawing of pornography is hard, mostly cause you're thinking of other things than "let's see, how do i counterweight this thick line on the left ball with something on the right tit... now does the rhythm of the arched back work ok with the edge of the image?.. hmm, should i build the composition around the dick or should the dick be an accent...", instead, the thought process goes something like this: "mmmmh, ooooh. oh yes! awhhh, mmmmm. Biggerbiggerbigger, moar MOAR MOAR! mmmmm.... <drooool> yessss.... <hiss> ooooh! me want, me want, me want! ooooh. <growl> hehehehehe. yesyesyes. mhm. aaaah." There's a pretty high chance you'll screw it up and not see it (or care, for tha matter).

Sure, there's poorly drawn dog dicks... <shrug> if that's what people enjoy, why not?

To me anthropomorphic animals are a convenient metaphor for things that interest me. But i rather not delve deeper into it... It would result in 5 pages of writing nobody would ever read or find interesting.

"I'm very glad someone gets something out of this self-indulgent screwing around that I end up shrugging off as doodling."
To me, "self-indulgent screwing around" is the definition of art. It's just what artists do, art as play, art for art's sake. Authenticity is underrated. If you screw around long enought, you'll both learn about yourself, you'll find things that you find worth representing in unique ways, and eventually pass your vision and worldview to those willing to learn something off it.

The opposite extreme would be selling out and cattering to others' tastes... Stuff like advertising, marketing, indulging in spoilt people's vain desires. It leads nowhere... It can only be a tool for making money, hence immoral in its very nature.

Ironically, being popular is the first indicator that you're "doing something wrong" and not being truthful. Exceptions are few and far inbetween.
I kind of agree with Diogenes' position here (he was a philosophical furry - he was nicknamed "the dog", which he quite liked, the word Cynic literaly means "dog") :

"Whenever people complimented Diogenes, he would slap himself hard across the face and in self-reproach would cry, "Shame! I must have done something terribly wicked!"

"Discourse on virtue and they pass by in droves. Whistle and dance the shimmy, and you've got an audience."

"It takes a wise man to discover a wise man."

tl;dr (ahahah kidding, kidding. Long, thoughtful responses are hard to come by and it's so nice to get them.)

Ah you know you are right. I confess I often fall into the ridiculous trap of "oh this is much better than what I do therefore what I do is without value in comparison". It is absolutely poisonous thinking. Really dreadful.

Forgive me if I implied your presence here is some sort of subversive effort to educate the plebeian class of FA. Heh. Don't worry, I didn't put you above drawing dog dick. lol
But really, I know people are not nearly as simple as we might sometimes be lulled into believing and far be it from me to hold people's art against them (lest mine be held against me D:). That goes for the the positive aspects too.

I hazard to say that I would be interested in your thoughts on anthropomorphic animals though. Just as a matter of fact, but don't feel the need to go into that if you'd rather not.

And well. I'm not popular, so maybe I'm doing alright after all. Heh.

Haha, that made me feel much better, thank you. :))

"And well. I'm not popular, so maybe I'm doing alright after all. Heh."
Anti-aesthetic stuff just looks like tasteless crap to those who can't appreciate it. By doing authentic stuff you put too many obstacles between the art and the audience ("it doesn't look pretty", "it requires thinking to understand", "it doesn't look like what i'm used to seeing as "art" (in the case of FA - dog dicks), etc., also stuff like "that icon there has colors bad art usually has, therefore i won't click it" (like the woogle pic - it's an awesome pic, but first one needs to click on the icon to see it in its full glory) - you've no idea how many times i fell for this one), and only those willing to climb over obstacles will appreciate it. Shitty part is that you need to do something clearly skillful to convince them to start listening (like you did here; but the catch with this is that it involves humans... humans are inferior on this site... no sane furry would thumb-up a human picture, ever.)


Uh, reasons why i like anthropomorphic?.. I ran out of writing inspiration, i'll try to keep it short:
1. Main one is that culturally, Darwin's ideas of common descent and simple fact of evolution haven't been fully socially accepted with all of their implications. People plainly deny it - the word "animal" over time has become a swear word (to me, "human" has become a swear word; many reasons for that). Animals we abuse and use are made of the same stuff as us. Anthropomorphic animal represents the unity we deny. I think the total realisation that we ARE in fact animals, (we act like animals, we function exactly the way animals do, even our brain is built on exactly the same mechanisms present in other mammals; with that in mind, how we continue attribute mental states and consciousness only to ourselves remains beyond me... it's plain vanity, trying to justify our irresponsible actions by our self-imposed "specialness"), our fundamental desires are animal desires; if we'd realise that, i think we would value life (both life and Life) more, we'd see death not as something horrible, but as a fundamental part of our nature - innevitable and arguably one of the most important aspects of how life works (an end is a new beginning), we'd be aware of our own weaknesses, and hopefully we'd put an end to delusions of grandeur and just live in peace.

2. (basicaly everything else stems from 1.) anthropomorphic animals represent our existential fear - not that fate doesn't rest in our hands, it does, but that our hands are weak... It states that we are not the imagined divine perfection, which, our religions tell us, we were built to the image of. We are simply self-copying proliferating matter, a curious case of negentropy in a universe inevitably moving towards entropy, we're without any clear goal, without a divine purpose; we live, that is our puropose.

3. anthropomorphic characters are nice for representing animals via an artifficial proxy, bringing the individual animal closer to the individual human being we're used to caring about, that way allowing to identify closer. It shows us an animal person that we usually cannot comprehend due to the way languageless animal minds remain inaccessible and distant to us, and the way we think (i hate language, it's a filter, a schema we're used to cramming things into, it cuts off too much perception on the way to consciousness; Temple Gardin's books on autism and animal consciousness would be an interesting read elaborating on this) and allows us to imagine. It asks - you see this living person, would you treat him/her the way you treat cattle at a meat production industry? Think of this next time you're slicing that steak... especially since you DO have the capacity to refrain from killing - you have a gut that's largely herbivorous... and you know it takes 30Kg of grain to produce 1kg of meat (and plenty more water and energy) - it's irrational to go to those lengths at a time of overpopulation, with resources running dry.

4. sometimes we look up at animals and envy them for their abilities, for their bodies built for survival (is it surprising then, that we take that superiority, mix it with a human body and become sexually attracted to the result?)... we know we're weak physically, sometimes we're tired of being "cheaters" working our way around problems rather than facing them. Who didn't wish in their childhood, that he/she could just flap their arms and take off?

5. "ignorance is bliss" - sometimes we secretly hope for a simpler life... Where everything was instinctively certain and we weren't burdened by artifficial thoughts, by whats and whatifs, so we could just live, experience life the way its ment, not the plastic system of courtesies and obscure workings we've turned it into. That's the kind of life animals have. We hope for the simple life in times when we're lost, confused, under psychological pressure (either external or internal), especially in our times of chaos, doubts, complexity and uncertainty that seems to just get faster and wilder exponentially. To me it's the complete experience of living, joie de vivre that I only remember in fragments from childhood (it's not equal to happines, it's a different thing, it's just the feeling of life you get when you walk outside after a thunderstorm in early spring and breathe in the fresh air that feels as if its charged with life, it's a glimpse fo that feeling that makes hair stand on the back of the neck and you feel as if you're ready for anything). I haven't felt alive for many years... I crave for that feeling.

6. by conceiving a creature that exists in the artifficial rift we made between us and nature, the loose pragmatic morality of the animal kingdom - the way we see it (!) - liberates our imagination and helps shutdown those "is this appropriate? what would X think" anxieties - we get to rethink societies dogmas - which of them are functional and which stem from evil things like homophobia, xenophobia delusions of grandeur, myths of moral superiority, etc.
(Although animals are far from completely immoral, Berkoff wrote a few books on morality in animals. And for example, it has been reported how chimps who could not swim have drowned in zoos' pools while trying to save others; the thing is, morality is often the rule, not an exception, mainly because evolution works on groups just as well. I often see humans worse in the morality department - doing immoral things just for the sake of doing them and feeling superior, and when intoxicated with bad ideas - going to great lengths of unnescessary moral downfall (like nazi concentration camps).)

And i'm sure i've forgotten 10 more, or so... some thoughts only occure to me in certain times. I only know the simple formula human+non-human-animal can be inexhaustible when contemplating the human condition, nature in general, our place in all of it, etc...

"Shitty part is that you need to do something clearly skillful to convince them to start listening"

Ah yes, the underlying secret of all social interactions. *sigh*

"i hate language, it's a filter, a schema we're used to cramming things into, it cuts off too much perception on the way to consciousness"

I feel this far too often. I find this theme and variations of it a lot in science fiction (it's such a natural medium for philosophical concepts) and it's always been a sort of hope of mine to someday witness a technology to come about that would essentially be the "Vulcan mind meld" of the Star Trek universe. Then at least communication could take on a more pure and direct form. Though we'd still be stuck with all that language programming stripping out things and modifying the way we think because we need to filter things out to survive in this world. It's rather mind blowing to think about the possibility to communicate with other species on a fundamental and unadulterated level. I mean how does a being without true language as we conceive it, process the world? The impact of language on thought is a big ball of interesting and perplexing questions that I would really love to explore more thoroughly...I'll have to look into some of Temple Gardin's books.

#5: So basically Apeman by The Kinks :]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqd-EG8p64k (fantastic song in my humble opinion)

I'm going to slap a big "I absolutely agree" here. Your main reason pretty soundly embodies my own worldview when it comes to life, living things, our place in the universe etc. It's something that seems so obvious (not like I'm trying to assert I have any knowledge of "THE TRUTH" or anything) to me that I often forget others, a majority I believe, not only don't share these ideas but are even threatened by them. But then again it's often hard to have a constructive conversation with people who might just as quickly label you godless scum and have done with it... I really am astounded whenever I see the "humans are undoubtedly superior" card in action. You look carefully and it's absolutely everywhere.

Geeze. To think, this was originally about furries.

Yes, it's an interesting challenge really... How do languagless beings think? How does a being so dependent on language understand one without? Yeah, a mind reading device would be useful... Though, I think the kind of magical mind-reading apparatus (if possible at all) may not be able to "show" and explain everything - there's a problem that some things you just can't "translate", Thomas Nagel goes in lengths about it in his paper "What is it like to be a bat?".
If you choose to get T.Gardin's books, go straight for this one (you may even find it at a library), it's kind of the most relevant one to us humble dog dick draftsmen.
Oh and if you're interested to delve deeper into this philosophy and psychology thing concerning animals... I've posted this journal a bit back, that torrent is actualy full of very good articles, texts and research papers about it.

#5: So basically Apeman by The Kinks :]
Hehehe, awesome song. Yup!

Likewise, I'll slap an "I absolutely agree" to your second last paragraph. That's kind of the reason i preffer to stay on a site with dog dicks... Actually, i get the impression lots of people here have a similar worldview or tinker with the same ideas one way or another. It may be even a plus, that the great inpenetrable wall of badly drawn dog dicks effectively scares off those who, to say it mildly: "don't get it". heck, we don't even get trolls anymore... poor things... they will never unwatch that mspaint piece of cock vore they accidentally clicked on...

Geeze. To think, this was originally about furries.
<shrug> Conversations happen. :P

Woo my library does have that book. And I saw that journal actually and have been downloading the torrent. It's getting there. I was actually going to thank you for posting it but I'm a horrible, lazy, ungrateful person. :c

It's true FA does seem to harbor a lot of more open-minded people especially in these matters. It sometimes lulls me into a false sense of security in the real world. One can be too honest unfortunately...

"<shrug> Conversations happen. :P"
And I'm very glad for it!