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This kind of hypnosis feels like some sort of logical fallacy.
Why say such beautiful and helpful words if youre just going to hypnotize them into believing them anyway? At that point, could you not just say nothing at all and still achieve the intended effect? What role does hypnosis serve here?
Why say such beautiful and helpful words if youre just going to hypnotize them into believing them anyway? At that point, could you not just say nothing at all and still achieve the intended effect? What role does hypnosis serve here?
Right off the top of my head, I'll tackle this from an angle I use a lot in my own play in this space: The abdication of responsibility.
When you're getting nagged really bad by certain thoughts and need this kind of pick-me-up, there can often be a voice that actively works against accepting things -you know are logically true-, or at the very least, SHOULD be emotionally true. "I don't deserve to have a good time", "The fact that I need reminders for this is pathetic", or - considering one line of dialog here - a mind going into overdrive imagining ways things COULD go wrong even if they're astonishingly unlikely. And, well, not thinking for yourself and trying to be careful - isn't that irresponsible?
In this scenario, even the idea of being hypnotized neuters that voice completely, by shifting responsibility. "Do I deserve to feel good?" is a question that no longer matters, because that's been taken out of your hands. "I should be on guard and thinking this through carefully" - tough luck, you can't now. It's much harder to feel guilty or undeserving about something that's been forced on you. In a paradoxical way, by constraining her thought processes and taking some control away, the hypnotist has actually paved the way for the subject to be more free by creating a framework that nullifies so many common anxieties and feelings of inadequacy.
or maybe we just like hypnosis like that's a valid reason too, quit whinin'
When you're getting nagged really bad by certain thoughts and need this kind of pick-me-up, there can often be a voice that actively works against accepting things -you know are logically true-, or at the very least, SHOULD be emotionally true. "I don't deserve to have a good time", "The fact that I need reminders for this is pathetic", or - considering one line of dialog here - a mind going into overdrive imagining ways things COULD go wrong even if they're astonishingly unlikely. And, well, not thinking for yourself and trying to be careful - isn't that irresponsible?
In this scenario, even the idea of being hypnotized neuters that voice completely, by shifting responsibility. "Do I deserve to feel good?" is a question that no longer matters, because that's been taken out of your hands. "I should be on guard and thinking this through carefully" - tough luck, you can't now. It's much harder to feel guilty or undeserving about something that's been forced on you. In a paradoxical way, by constraining her thought processes and taking some control away, the hypnotist has actually paved the way for the subject to be more free by creating a framework that nullifies so many common anxieties and feelings of inadequacy.
or maybe we just like hypnosis like that's a valid reason too, quit whinin'
This clears a few things up, but also leaves me with one hang-up:
If hypnosis suppresses the voice, what's stopping the voice from coming back after the hypnosis ends?
If nothing, I can still see the merit in this either way, it's like temporary medication for anxiety, but with no side effects. Thanks for taking the time to explain it to me!
If hypnosis suppresses the voice, what's stopping the voice from coming back after the hypnosis ends?
If nothing, I can still see the merit in this either way, it's like temporary medication for anxiety, but with no side effects. Thanks for taking the time to explain it to me!
In no particular order:
1) Basic conditioning. Following the words is now associated with good memories, rather than with provoking anxieties.
2) The feeling of abdication can last past the hypnosis ending. Following the ideas isn't your idea, now - you're still under their will even if it's not enforced. (This is all a mental charade, but an effective one.)
3) I had a third one but I got interrupted and forgot it.
1) Basic conditioning. Following the words is now associated with good memories, rather than with provoking anxieties.
2) The feeling of abdication can last past the hypnosis ending. Following the ideas isn't your idea, now - you're still under their will even if it's not enforced. (This is all a mental charade, but an effective one.)
3) I had a third one but I got interrupted and forgot it.
Setting up a charade is actually pretty genius! Normally that wouldn't work because the target would too strongly disbelieve it, but through the hypnosis, you remove that barrier. The person being hypnotized would keep all the positive effects because their mindstate now accepts what the hypnotizer was trying to communicate/get them to feel, so instead of having to suspend their disbelief, they would now have to suspend their belief of said thing, which is MUCH harder than suspension of disbelief(especially when you honestly believe something!)
Thats a really awesome way to think about this all, thanks a ton for that!
Thats a really awesome way to think about this all, thanks a ton for that!
To add my own Addendum to this post, as amazing as Drazin's is. I feel it might help to shed some light on hypnosis in general, particularly the fictional kinds.
There are two kinds of hypnosis i mostly focus on here in my work, the Fictional kind and the Realistic kind.
Realistic is based more on how Hypnosis works in the real world. This is what Geb (The rabbit here) uses.
The realistic kind doesn't really force anyone to think or feel anything. It just coaxes the mind to think and feel stuff, leading the subconcious mind to relatable places and things that seem reasonable enough to accept as truth. It's especially effective if your brain wants to believe these things.
So the "foreplay" of such hypnosis is often to soothe and relax you so that you think less about how terrible you are and more about how good you are, so that it primes the subconcious to maybe think more and accept these concepts. "Yes I am actually okay. There's nothing wrong, I can be confident! I want to be confident. It's not so hard, i already feel pretty good about myself!"
That kind of thing.
Also it requires some Ammount of trust in the person speaking to you to work. You have to want to believe them, to let them convince you that maybe you can do this. It's much easier to trust someone telling you nicer, reasonable things than "Wow you're pretty pathetic here sit down I'll fix that. Don't worry about what i'm saying it doesnt matter anyway lol."
Also in realistic hypnosis you tend to remember all things said and done~ Which is why you remember how nice it feels to feel confident. It makes new memories and mental connections that makes it easier to not listen to the bullshit.
Aaaaand then there's the fictional kind~ This can take the form of everything covered by the fandom that basically wouldn't work in real life. Like using magic or swirly eyes or fancy artifacts to take over the brain and make them into your mindslave to do absolutely anything you want, no matter what they think or feel on the matter (if they can do that at all, it varies on method).
Geb doesn't partake in that kind, but someone else, more accurately, Poe, does. He doesn't have to be nice and relaxing. He can be the biggest bitch this side of the federation and get away with it cause he can just make you forget if he so desired. He doesn't, because he's a manipulative psychopath who enjoys the legwork of altering your brain and making it dance like a puppet with his words and brains alone, DISPITE being a bitch.
Point is, if you have magic, you dont need to do the nicey nicey relaxing thing unless it amuses you/personal preference~
But Geb and some of the other hypnotists around here aren't using magic. They're using more traditional, psychology based hypnotism, mhm~!
There are two kinds of hypnosis i mostly focus on here in my work, the Fictional kind and the Realistic kind.
Realistic is based more on how Hypnosis works in the real world. This is what Geb (The rabbit here) uses.
The realistic kind doesn't really force anyone to think or feel anything. It just coaxes the mind to think and feel stuff, leading the subconcious mind to relatable places and things that seem reasonable enough to accept as truth. It's especially effective if your brain wants to believe these things.
So the "foreplay" of such hypnosis is often to soothe and relax you so that you think less about how terrible you are and more about how good you are, so that it primes the subconcious to maybe think more and accept these concepts. "Yes I am actually okay. There's nothing wrong, I can be confident! I want to be confident. It's not so hard, i already feel pretty good about myself!"
That kind of thing.
Also it requires some Ammount of trust in the person speaking to you to work. You have to want to believe them, to let them convince you that maybe you can do this. It's much easier to trust someone telling you nicer, reasonable things than "Wow you're pretty pathetic here sit down I'll fix that. Don't worry about what i'm saying it doesnt matter anyway lol."
Also in realistic hypnosis you tend to remember all things said and done~ Which is why you remember how nice it feels to feel confident. It makes new memories and mental connections that makes it easier to not listen to the bullshit.
Aaaaand then there's the fictional kind~ This can take the form of everything covered by the fandom that basically wouldn't work in real life. Like using magic or swirly eyes or fancy artifacts to take over the brain and make them into your mindslave to do absolutely anything you want, no matter what they think or feel on the matter (if they can do that at all, it varies on method).
Geb doesn't partake in that kind, but someone else, more accurately, Poe, does. He doesn't have to be nice and relaxing. He can be the biggest bitch this side of the federation and get away with it cause he can just make you forget if he so desired. He doesn't, because he's a manipulative psychopath who enjoys the legwork of altering your brain and making it dance like a puppet with his words and brains alone, DISPITE being a bitch.
Point is, if you have magic, you dont need to do the nicey nicey relaxing thing unless it amuses you/personal preference~
But Geb and some of the other hypnotists around here aren't using magic. They're using more traditional, psychology based hypnotism, mhm~!
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