I dont see it much as shaming, but more like sharing the information that hyenas are not canines. Lots of people dont know this!

It would appear to me that the character is the one saying its "crazy", regardless of the artists opinion.

I believe the artist is referring to hyenas in general. An accurate depiction of a hyena would not have a knotted penis. They have a right to be annoyed about this "false norm" just as any one else has a right to do what whatevwe they want with their characters schlongs.

Either way, i also think this is a silly discussion and i'll probably leave it at this.

Because a person identifying with that species can't have strong opinions on them being portrayed in a way that reflects real world biology? You're being insulting by making a big deal of it. Koul's entitled to her opinion; as long as she's not ACTIVELY going around and leaving unnecessary comments on OTHER people's pictures, why should you even care?

How was that "white knighting"? How was anything I typed out there anything more than perhaps impassioned? My point is that for as much "offense" being taken here, all Koul is asking for is some general experience with anatomy; something I agree on, frankly. Just like with literature: you should know the rules for an animal's anatomy BEFORE breaking them, not attempt to post-hoc justify or claim "artistic license" if that's not the case.

Fanboy? I barely pay attention to Koul's stuff, man. You'd have a better argument if this were like, Wolfblade back in the day, but here? You're really off base.

Honestly, I'm injecting myself because you lot seem to be super content with stringing this person up for what really IS a super minor issue, all things considered. Also, you're being massively tonally bipolar between telling me to be respectful then telling me things like "wake the fuck up". It makes you come off quite condescending.

Glad to see people stating this! >:(

PREACH IT!!!!!

"Anthro" literally means man. If you're going to put someone on two legs like humans, giving them human genitalia isn't that much further a stretch.

Admittedly, artists can do what they please, but don't try to say things like human dicks aren't a logical extension of anthropomorphization.

Well, I think it's more-so about knowing the true anatomy of the species before adding extra or different anatomical features.
It's in no way hypocritical.

I think you can put whatever you want on your character, but if it's going to be a true hyena with accurate genitals, then maybe the creator should do more research? Otherwise, wtf-ever lol

But nobody actually thinks hyenas have horns, while a lot of people, way too many in fact, think that hyenas are dogs (and thus have knots).

Now, I don't want to seem like I'm attacking your view here but the unfortunate truth is that because of shows like CSI: Miami, the furry fandom will never be seen as more than a fetish group to the general public...

I literally got fired from a job because a coworker found out I was a furry and thought I was trying to hit on him every day since, so he reported me when I touched his arm one day. Regardless of how much I tried explaining to him that I was heterosexual, he clearly only held disgust for me because his only experience of "furries" was from a popular TV show that further perverted what the fandom actually is.

You're holding onto the most popularly used definition of "pervert," which is completely subjective. It literally means "alter (something) from its original course, meaning, or state to a distortion or corruption of what was first intended."

The use of "pervert" here is referring to altering the anatomy of a hyena from its original/true form; especially in this case where the altering Koul is referring to is accidental because of a lack of knowledge on the artists' part. It's not about hybrid characters nor anything sexual, that's why Koul also mentioned that the feral form doesn't have 5 fingers.

(I purposely used the word "pervert" at the end of my story out of irony. Also using the word "literally" is ironic because the word was perverted into having a second definition that literally (in the literal sense) means "figuratively".)

The other ironic part of all this is that creating a stir like this comment feed generates more awareness than simply stating "Hyenas don't have knots." Like, fuck, from an SEO perspective, this is fantastic. The only thing missing here is the url and meta tags saying it.

Also, if you read further down, you'll notice that Koul is okay with you having a Hyena character with a knotted penis as long as you're aware it isn't anatomically correct for a Hyena.

thanks for clearing that up for everybody XD

If someone is legitimately drawing a hyena true to its 'form' then yes I agree, thats not correct. As such with people who draw paw pads on rabbits. THAT BEING SAID THOUGH - As fantasy goes, people will draw whatever they want on said creatures. I don't see this as a 'shaming' post, but at the same time let people do their thing, its not causing any harm.

Edit: Might be wrong here also but I don't think English is Koul's first language so this might all be coming across the wrong way.. So try not to jump down her throat on this.

While I agree that Hyenas in fact don't have knots... I also have to say with Zero insult intended
" Creative Freedom "
I mean I get it .. it's something that urks you seeing it... just the same I can't stand seeing Triple Z boobs and a duffel bag dick on a girl with a 4'3" frame...
but I do Tolerate it because they can do what they want.
Plus on a side note, I'm sure lots of people just cant find proper genital references... I had a commission a long while ago... do you know how long it took me to find a reference for a Shark Vag that wasn't a drawing of the internal workings? I've tried more recently to find references for a female spotted Hyena's pseudo penis ... it's impossible~ so most people just draw them as dicks or give them a human or canine Vag.

I hope you realize what kind of ant nest you just disturbed o.o...

All I see is "Comment hidden by the page owner" LOL

Yea, lots of that going around. I hope Koul is not taking this hard. I mean..this shouldn't raise anything else than few chuckles. But it was kinda expected what happened.

I'm gunna be honest, I expected to look in the comment section and see Civil debates on the difference between character design choice and actual hyena anatomy...I was wrong.

Nope.. It's vanity to expect that. Many take her opinion as offence and act out on it. And well...It is all a fantasy.. Every single bit of it. None of the arguments here matter... None. There's no evolution nor biospheres or anything scientific in the art here so no "authentic anatomy"matters. And that is just my opinion. It does not overrule anyone else's opinion and I don't claim to be right. I just find arguing about things like this... Extremely silly. Think about it... It's a shitstorm about knots! Knots for crying out loud! In a fiction fandom!

I don't even know why I put biosphere there... I a m half asleep =.=

It is silly, thats why furries argue xD there can't honestly be anything more pressing that someone 'encroaching on my rights' to have a knot on a character species that realistically wouldnt have a knot. I mean that sarcastically btw, there are obviously more precious things any of said people could be doing with their time.

I personally, don't care. Do what you want with your character. but just know that if you go into an actual argument expecting a hyena to have a knot you're dumb LOL

(also I dont mean you Anti, I'm generalizing) v u vb

This is why if asked I do state that my yeen is in fact a hyena-dog hybrid. But just prefers to be called a hyena. ^_^

this comment section makes me dry

they were just pointing out that anatomically and irl, no, hyenas do not have knots. nor do they have horns, we've established this. but maybe it's just a pet peeve they have. they're not telling anyone that they cannot put a knot on their hyena's dick, but simply stating that it bothers/annoys them.

so, can all of y'all who are flipping shit over "hypocrisy" pipe the hell down, please?

i'm sure the artist probably had a comedic goal by including those two things. i still dont understand how ANYONE could get offended by this though, people can step on a feather and act like they broke their foot. by that i mean people are overly-sensitive imo and should try to look for rational reasonings for what's shown in this pic before getting their feelings hurt/being offended. but i respect your view on this

going to sleep

That's actually true honestly good point. But I mean there's a lot of things with animals people make simple mistakes on.

People care too much about animal genetalia and fictional characters.

Thank youuuuuu.


In response to some of the other comments... If you make a conscious decision to draw a hyena hybrid of some kind, or a 'mutant' or however you want to describe it, then that's one thing. You're choosing to assign a characteristic to your character for a particular reason. The problem is that a lot of people (including people who have hyena characters or are commissioned/choose to draw them) assume incorrectly that they're a kind of dog, and therefore draw them with knots for no particular reason. That only adds to the perception and reinforces the situation (seriously, I have to say 'actually hyenas aren't dogs' on a pretty much daily basis). Christ, I've had people stealing my art on f-list and such say 'the art is wrong he should have a knot' and that's just downright offensive on all sorts of levels.

If you're going to do this then for the love of god have a *reason*, its doing it out of ignorance of of what you're drawing that prompts the above kind of response. Presumably the artist hasn't drawn horns in this picture due to erroneously thinking hyenas should actually have horns, which is the case in 95% of the times I've seen knots drawn on hyenas.

im sorry, but where in this post is the artist saying "you're not allowed to draw penises how you want?"

in the actual image, it's pretty obvious that they put that text and hand motion in for either comedy's sake or exaggeration (to get people to pay attention).

Yes. It is my character Shasta. She is angry and agressive.

i put "not allowed" instead of stop doing it for a reason tho

they never said you couldn't do it, they said stop doing it, which as i mentioned previously, is for exaggeration and/or humor. they know nobody is going to actually listen to them

Uhh nice art tho

Interesting...

Juts the other day I had a discussion with a person who insisted that Hyenas had knots RL, because they were canines.
People are allowed to draw what they want, sure... But omg if I didn't waste 30 minutes of my time showing this person that Hyenas were closer to Felines than Canines. Guy didn't even wanna listen, said ignorant shit like "Buhhh... If Hyenas don't have knots I suppose you're gonna tell me Wolves don't have knots either?"

jfc read a book.

Who'd have thought something as innocent as stating a harmless opinion with a well drawn piece of art would stir such poisonous arguments. That's the internet I guess.

This response is less towards the artist and more sharing my opinion for everyone else:

I see both sides of the discussion here...

Adding different anatomical features to a species that is primarily one species and doesn't show much trait of the other species that the "extra feature" comes from can be misleading for most viewers and can give them an inaccurate idea of the true anatomy of that species;

however,

a person creating a character has the right to put any anatomical feature on their creation. Should they do research beforehand about the true anatomy of their species? Probably; but there are plenty of artists who do things because it feels right; so having a knotted hyena dick is entirely up to the interpretation of the character creator.

Koul's opinion is a justified one. It's bothersome because it spreads the idea of a false norm. This is something Koul feels strongly about and it's okay to express opinion like this. It is also okay to put extra anatomical features on your character as long as you have the understanding that it's not accurate to the true species; just don't go around saying you're an accurate representation of an anthro what-ever-the-fuck. lol

Thank you
You explain it much better than me

1. I don't talk about hybrid characters. I talk about everyone who think " oh! Hyena! It is spotty dog and now it is time to draw knots! Yahoo!"
2. On my art I draw my character Shasta. She is hyena and she is too much aggressive and every word on art is comment of Shasta. My own comment is under the art.
3. If you feel an insult it is your own problem whatever. You don't understand me and I will not understand you. Have a nice day

This is great

I would have thought it was just personal preference and warping, if the persons going for realism or being true to the species then I guess it's something they should know. But I don't think it should be enforced, attach all the weird dicks you want.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I don't think there are any artists out there drawing anthro hyenas because they think that's what real hyena's look like. The vast majority of pictures in which hyenas are drawn with knots are the result of mistakes, not deliberate choices, and the more it happens the more people are going to keep making that mistake.

Actually, that's not true

They DO have a vagina, but they also have a greatly oversized clitoris. The latter is the "psuedopenis"

On the other hand, the part about birth being hard IS true. In fact, birth can be life-threatening for younger hyenas.

so much butthurt over animal dicks lol

wonderful art though! <3

People put knots on everything these days.

So funny how people are getting triggered by this. bunch of babies. "choice" or not to be made with one's own OC, it doesn't distract there's still plently of laziness in the fandom and whatnot that leads to such things. I honestly find it a bit silly when someone says they are a bat when it's clearly just drawn as a dog with wings, especially if it's NSFW.

Also the way this was drawn and spelled out it's hilarious!
People need to grow up, get a sense of humor, and well, not be so lazy lol.

agreed

Are they being drawn with those features as part of a deliberate choice to anthropomorphise them or because people incorrectly think they should have those features? Pretty big difference.

Quite often yes! Whoever made the character deliberately chooses what type of cock they have if they want nsfw! So if where gonna point out big differences, why do you have art with human cocks in it? That's not what the animal should have! http://www.furaffinity.net/view/25027566/

Because the characters involved are a combination of human features and ones from the species they're based on? I'm not sure why it isn't obvious that's a) a different situation and b) a deliberate choice made as to where to position the character on the 'scale' between human and feral. Nowhere on that 'scale' is there a point where a knot randomly appears.

Again, full power to anyone who wants to say "this is my hyena character, I have chosen to give them a knot because X reason", but in my experience that's not what happens in a lot or cases. It's "he has a knot because I think hyenas have knots". I've had people stealing my art claim that it's incorrect and should feature a knot because they genuinely thought hyenas were dogs. It's not an issue with informed decisions.

Hey Koul, Don't you wish that your art got so much activity in the comments field like this post?

Just felt like I needed to point that out, hahaha.

Also, female hyenas have pseudo-penises. Fun fact!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Egtbs-go4Q&vl=en

I'm actually working on making a wereyena (werehyena?). I'm trying to keep some aspects the same as real hyena behaviors as well as the pseudo-penis (she-penis) since I can think of a way that would work evolutionarily speaking to not change that aspect too much.

Фурри драма вокруг гиеновых хуйцов. Великолепно!

Прекрасно )

Eh, I don't mind Anatomically Correctness long as it's not being forced upon or hinder creativity and purely at the artist's discretion. But if someone is going for such a thing they would need to do proper research to get it accurate as possible, otherwise it's not A.C. as they believe they're going for.

I see people going with the argument "Well there's foxes with horse dicks" area and all I have to say is: Are these artists that do draw incorrect genitalia really do it just for creativity (on purpose) or attempting to be A.C. (on accident or inaccurate)? If the former, this doesn't concern them and meaningless to bring this argument up; if the latter then it should concern them and correct their mistake in future drawings.

Тебе ли не все о гиенах знать, хехе)

I agree with this! Hyenas have so much unique about them-like that uniqueness shine!

Not all hyena species have that feature either.

Same

Yeah just draw human dicks

Wait until they realize spotted hyena females are not herms either just because they have a pseudo-penis. Furries fall into the trap of "Looks like dog? Dog!" But considering so many draw every single animal with canine anatomy it will never not surprise me to see a hyena with a dog dick and a dog face/body. Seeing stuff here just proves those points, getting overly hostile, salty and defensive over the appearance being blatantly wrong but "aesthetically" pleasing. So really what you're saying you find dog dick hot, at it's most basic sense.

Many furries do not care about correct portrayal of an animal as long as the porn looks halfway decent and they can jack off to it. Unless you draw everything with human dicks and pussy then all you are fightin' about is how you like your animal genitals to look like. I feel that people who identify as a certain animal that gets drawn wrong so much have a valid reason to be upset. Some are just better at explaining it than others.

Бомбануло? О.о
К стати. А где нет пятого пальца у гиен? А то у меня в проекте самочка.

это если идет речь о полной звероформе то по факту у гиен нет пятого пальца, как у собак. Любители рисовать ферал волков при рисовании таких же ферал гиен часто рисуют все так же канидово кроме формы ушей и с пятнами, просто потому что лень открыть референсы-википедию

Ну и на счет бомбануло, скорей не бомбануло, а поражает. в 95% случаев рисования эротики с гиенами самцами им рисуют собачьи кноты(в том случае если вычесть более близкий мне вариант с человеческими органами) Я категорически сильно удивлена уверенности даже очень крутых порно художников в том, что у гиен собачьи гениталии. Я даже не понимаю с чем это связать, то ли у них нездоровая любовь к кнотам(хотя тиграм\коням\выдрам и тд они не пририсовывают же) то ли тотальное не знание или не признание факта, что гиены- не относятся к псовым. Это повсюду, и такое чувство, что одни смотрят у других и даже не сомневаются как рисовать.

Вы же не рисуете порн. Странно что это именно вас озаботило :)
Но от себя могу добавить, у самок гиен так же присутствует пенис. К стати у Джея в этом более правильно.
Извиняюсь что не на английском, с виндоусфона не очень удобно )

Я не рисую прон, но я смотрю много крутых художников, которые ко всему прочему рисуют прон и много. Гиены мне не безразличны, и к ним часто наплевательски относятся. У самок гиен присутствует псевдо пенис, и рисовать его нет смысла если художник выбирает человеческие органы для персонажа ( это касается именно фурри, а не фералов)

Also Koul is just stating an actual fact and expressing her own opinion on the matter here..

Unfortunatly people take it too personally, and has left a few here in quite...
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The Knot
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YYYYYYEEEEEEEAAAAAHHHHHHH!!

lmfao, calm down everyone, they're just dongs.

eesh, i'm sorry for the backlash koul, I really like your artwork and although i didn't actually get to see the comments, they seemed a bit harsh.

Nevertheless, carry on, you are very talented :)

Sweet baby Jesus.
Half of the comments are hidden o_O
I'm sorry youre getting such a backlash. Lmfao
The joys of FA ;P

But yes. Yeners dont have knotty weeners.
Neither do cats.
Or bears.
Or snakes.
Or horses.

I see a lot of those too and am just kinda like "Wellll okay then"

I hide :
-flood/spam
-offtop
-all comments of people who don't understand what this art is talking about
-drama and aggressive comments

I hope every one, who didn't understand problem will read only not hidden comments. This guys explain the theme of art much better than me

Что тут было? Объясните пожалуйста '-'

Bravo bravo~ I think that was a masterful attempt at spreading some awareness about hyenas! I would never have imagined such a massive backlash from such a small yet ultimately true and educational piece.

Hyenas are such a fascinating species, so it is a shame to see them simply be reduced to be yet another canine by misinformation. Some of the most fascinating bullet points about them when it comes to their junk and their sex would be:
-They are closer to felines then they are to canines.
-Female hyenas have pseudo penises and false scrotums with no external vaginas.
-The females copulate and give birth through the clitoris aka the pseudo penis.
-Both male and female spotted hyena's glans penis have penile spines.

In the end however, what one draws, be it based of fantasy or based of realism, is that persons choice and it is all good. But, I'd say said choices are better made trough the correct information rather than misinformation.

"Female hyenas have pseudo penises and false scrotums with no external vaginas.

Only spotted hyenas.

Ah, true true!
I should have specified that one owo7

This is still great.

Umm... I'm just curious as to why there are so many people's comments hidden. Are THAT many people jerks? O_O

(Also, yea, it's annoying when people put knots on everything.)

I can understand the annoyance because i felt the same way about rabbits for a long time.

Rabbits have some unique features but 99% of the time people drew them exactly like a cat or dog and just gave them long ears.

My favorite part about zootopia was that Judy is the first cartoon rabbit i can think of that they didn't give a big stupid nose.

тут серьезно развели срач из за кнотов?

They don't understand the problem

Having been here before all the comments got hidden, I can safely say they were likely all being dicks. Which would be relevant if that mean they were being literal penises, but unfortunately they were just being rude.

There's lot of things to talk about with this topic:
- Antlers on reindeer males during Winter season (ex: Rudolph the reindeer) only females have it during the season. I am looking at you reindeer characters!
- Human genitals in feral female characters but feral genitals in male... Why? Also horse dongs in canine characters just make me lol
- Women birth giving hips on male characters. There's a difference between fat and swole from the workout and just wide pelvises that biologically exist only in people with XX chromosomes. Check this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GA8oC9PFQo&feature=youtu.be&t=8m42s
- etc ( I could spill many of these points all day )

(excluding impossible fetishes, cartoon style and fantasy lore)

I know in the furry world everything is possible including super powers and non existant colours, but every person will not shake their heads at those characters if you design one that makes sense in first impressions.

wowzer thats alot of comments hidden by the page owner

I can't stop laughing hahaha! I never seen sooo many comments hidden by owner before! Man it's like a swarm of bees just came by and just started attacking lol! I almost wish I got to read it all before it was blocked haha! 😂😂😂 If I get good in art, I must reuse this strategy for boosting fame and notoriety! Well done Koul! Well done! :D

I like how a drawing with a statement about an animal penis caused a shitstorm told well in the tales of several dozen hidden comments and amusingly large stacks of replies.