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I have seen her before. It was at the tall ships festival in Toronto that happened in 2012. The proper terminology for ships like this is tall ships, or age of sail ships. Another good way to call it 1800th century sailing vessels. But it seems that people call all age of sail ships pirate ships lol.
I've been on a few myself. The Brig Niagara, Bounty, and many others. I've loved and treasured these vessels since my early childhood. That era seems to speak most to me. I myself know a lot about these vessels. I someday plan on trying to build a small one for myself. Sailing is such a joy, and relaxing experience.
I can however identify the vessel you're on. That sail rig is what you commonly see in schooners. Those are gaft sails. While the sails over the bowsprit (mast way out over the front of the ship and over the water) are called stay sails. Which are triangular in shape. And the vessel you're on is likely a schooner. Though I am not sure if that is a steel hull or a wood hull that is steel plated. A real age of sail ship would not have any metal on the hull at all. It would be wood boards. Primarily oak, as that wood is much more durable than pine, but pine would be used for the masts. And the decks made of hardwood. I do know however that some age of sail vessel where wood hulls, but steel plated. I have heard of a Portuguese galleon that once had such cladding on it's hull. And it basically served as armor to deflect cannonballs. Making the ship much harder to destroy. Other implications of steel platting I seen on 18th century ships where if the hull was too leaky. They's clad it with platting, and that would make it water tight with caulking and make the hull stronger. Steel platting was also used to help break through ice in northern regions.
But I rarely ever see any steel or metal platting on a wooden 18th century sailing vessel. Though I am guessing that they started becoming more common in the 19th century, which was also the Victorian era as well. When steam power started taking over slowly. That's when you'd start to see metal ships, or wood vessels plated with metal. But ideally most 18th century sailing ships would be primarily made out of wood. As it was cheaper to build and wood even today is very commonly available so most ship yards in every port has the ability to repair your vessel. However maintenance is a bit more on these vessels as you need to re-varnish parts of the ship, and re-paint it as well. Especially make sure the boards below the waterline are still water tight. A rotten board will cause problems below the waterline. However today I seen people use paints that are water resistant, and give the hull a lovely look. And usually lasts much longer.
If you like more insight on these vessels. Feel free to ask me. I enjoy educating others with historical vessels. Not many pay much attention, nor respect to them these days. Most like the metal battle ships, and of course scifi space ships. I however am only a fan of the good old age of sail ships. And I enjoy my passion for these vessels.
I've been on a few myself. The Brig Niagara, Bounty, and many others. I've loved and treasured these vessels since my early childhood. That era seems to speak most to me. I myself know a lot about these vessels. I someday plan on trying to build a small one for myself. Sailing is such a joy, and relaxing experience.
I can however identify the vessel you're on. That sail rig is what you commonly see in schooners. Those are gaft sails. While the sails over the bowsprit (mast way out over the front of the ship and over the water) are called stay sails. Which are triangular in shape. And the vessel you're on is likely a schooner. Though I am not sure if that is a steel hull or a wood hull that is steel plated. A real age of sail ship would not have any metal on the hull at all. It would be wood boards. Primarily oak, as that wood is much more durable than pine, but pine would be used for the masts. And the decks made of hardwood. I do know however that some age of sail vessel where wood hulls, but steel plated. I have heard of a Portuguese galleon that once had such cladding on it's hull. And it basically served as armor to deflect cannonballs. Making the ship much harder to destroy. Other implications of steel platting I seen on 18th century ships where if the hull was too leaky. They's clad it with platting, and that would make it water tight with caulking and make the hull stronger. Steel platting was also used to help break through ice in northern regions.
But I rarely ever see any steel or metal platting on a wooden 18th century sailing vessel. Though I am guessing that they started becoming more common in the 19th century, which was also the Victorian era as well. When steam power started taking over slowly. That's when you'd start to see metal ships, or wood vessels plated with metal. But ideally most 18th century sailing ships would be primarily made out of wood. As it was cheaper to build and wood even today is very commonly available so most ship yards in every port has the ability to repair your vessel. However maintenance is a bit more on these vessels as you need to re-varnish parts of the ship, and re-paint it as well. Especially make sure the boards below the waterline are still water tight. A rotten board will cause problems below the waterline. However today I seen people use paints that are water resistant, and give the hull a lovely look. And usually lasts much longer.
If you like more insight on these vessels. Feel free to ask me. I enjoy educating others with historical vessels. Not many pay much attention, nor respect to them these days. Most like the metal battle ships, and of course scifi space ships. I however am only a fan of the good old age of sail ships. And I enjoy my passion for these vessels.
its not as old as one might think! shy of 100 years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kajama still a beauty though, and a little easier to maintain.
I was referring to the vintage ships to the time period. The ones you see these days mostly are modern replicas. The vessels I was referring to are legit 1700s sailing ships with 0 modern amenities on board. All wood, all sail, no engines, no electricity, no septic tanks, no modern plumbing, etc. And they have been preserved to this day. Very few ships like that still even exist today. The only ship (as far as I know) that exists like that is the HMS Victory. A 110 gunner man of war (or 1st rate ship of the line for those who are more savvy with the ship classification charts) However the USS Constitution (Old Ironsides) Is a ship from the 1700s. However the only part of the ship original to the time period is the keel. As the vessel has gone numerous restorations over the years. And she's also been outfitted with modern amenities as required by today's maritime laws. And she still sails. The Brig Niagara is a Replica of the original. She I believe the original served in the war of 1812. But her construction was the same of the 1700s. The age of sail ships didn't start disappearing until after the civil war when steam, and metal ships started taking over. But very few where still in use for famous trade routes. Like the Cutty Sark used for the great tea races from India to England. And smaller shipping companies with not as much money would also charter and build them as they where cheaper to operate then the steam and metal ships. As steam ships needed a constant fuel onboard or they won't be going anywhere. If you ran out of coal then you where dead in the water with no propulsion, like how a gas powered vessel today would be if it ran out of petrol. And these sailing ships would last well into the 1900s and even to today's times. but they did go through changes, and upgrades according to the time period. So they weren't fully vintage 1700s vessel anymore. They where enhanced versions to the time period. Take a look at the Cutty Sark for example. And other vessels like her. And well into the 1900s and today's times.
The vessel in this image posted by my friend is a modern sailing vessel. And people still do build them today. Either for events such as this, or as a yacht. But the sail rig, and concepts are the same. In terms of the vessel and itself, and it's means of propulsion with the wind. Along with her classification. However she is a modern replica. Or build. with modern amenities on board, and a engine as a back up propulsion, probably has toilets on board, tanks to store waste, and so on. Whether shes all steel or wood and steel plated I can't tell. But I know she has modern amenities and tech on board such as radar, and AIS. I myself prefer the more realistic sailing replicas (as I have no choice to as it's maritime law) As in today's time you cannot have a vintage 1700s sailing ship operational out there, without modern amenities on board. Including tech and power. Waste water management, Radar, AIS, etc. Because such vessels require a AIS, and Nav Radar. Holding tanks for waste water, and so on. As it's the law now. Only way to witness a real 1700s era is to take a time machine, and blast back to that time period lol. Or if allowed by the government a historic re-enactment site. Such as a museum.
And looking at the link confirms exactly what I was suspecting about this vessel. She was built in the 1900s (20th century). So I'm suspecting she's mostly mostly built out of metal. And another thing to point out looking at the information on the vessel "Cargo Schooner". I can also clarify yes these vessel where used and still are used as cargo ships to even today. Some smaller companies go with them as they are cheaper to build than modern fully fuel (gas, oil, desil) powered vessels of today. The advantage with sails is that you have a free fuel. The wind moves your vessel. Thus saving fuel costs. Also sail power is green and good for the environment. But it's not as fast as the fully fuel powered vessel. So it takes longer to reach your destination (depending on the wind of course) But you save money on fuel costs as you're primarily using the wind to propel your vessel. I do see even wooden schooners still working trade routes today. But they mostly haul the general goods such as timber, coal, grain, etc. So Small shipping companies usually build and charter such vessels. And the schooner is a popular design for trade as the vessel is sleek, fast, very maneuverable, and it also doesn't need too big of a crew. They are beautiful, graceful, and reliable ships even to this day. And one of my personal favorites.
So I hope that answers alot as to what I was talking about. This ship in the image yes is more modern and not that old. But you see these modern replicas more often these days. I'm ok with them. But I prefer the full classics. I'm just one of those history nerds lol. I love the good old classics and old times of the 1700s. I do go a little into the 1800s, and Victorian era. But that's about as modern I will go. I hope I didn't overwhelm you with this wall of text lol. I sometimes can go off on a long history lesson or trivia hahaha. But I enjoy sharing this knowledge, and era with others. I'm not sure if you're also a enthusiast in this as well. But if you're not I hope that I've given you some interesting history. Feel free to watch me and follow me. I do do such history stuff on my page. I love sharing and educating people with history of my favorite era.
The vessel in this image posted by my friend is a modern sailing vessel. And people still do build them today. Either for events such as this, or as a yacht. But the sail rig, and concepts are the same. In terms of the vessel and itself, and it's means of propulsion with the wind. Along with her classification. However she is a modern replica. Or build. with modern amenities on board, and a engine as a back up propulsion, probably has toilets on board, tanks to store waste, and so on. Whether shes all steel or wood and steel plated I can't tell. But I know she has modern amenities and tech on board such as radar, and AIS. I myself prefer the more realistic sailing replicas (as I have no choice to as it's maritime law) As in today's time you cannot have a vintage 1700s sailing ship operational out there, without modern amenities on board. Including tech and power. Waste water management, Radar, AIS, etc. Because such vessels require a AIS, and Nav Radar. Holding tanks for waste water, and so on. As it's the law now. Only way to witness a real 1700s era is to take a time machine, and blast back to that time period lol. Or if allowed by the government a historic re-enactment site. Such as a museum.
And looking at the link confirms exactly what I was suspecting about this vessel. She was built in the 1900s (20th century). So I'm suspecting she's mostly mostly built out of metal. And another thing to point out looking at the information on the vessel "Cargo Schooner". I can also clarify yes these vessel where used and still are used as cargo ships to even today. Some smaller companies go with them as they are cheaper to build than modern fully fuel (gas, oil, desil) powered vessels of today. The advantage with sails is that you have a free fuel. The wind moves your vessel. Thus saving fuel costs. Also sail power is green and good for the environment. But it's not as fast as the fully fuel powered vessel. So it takes longer to reach your destination (depending on the wind of course) But you save money on fuel costs as you're primarily using the wind to propel your vessel. I do see even wooden schooners still working trade routes today. But they mostly haul the general goods such as timber, coal, grain, etc. So Small shipping companies usually build and charter such vessels. And the schooner is a popular design for trade as the vessel is sleek, fast, very maneuverable, and it also doesn't need too big of a crew. They are beautiful, graceful, and reliable ships even to this day. And one of my personal favorites.
So I hope that answers alot as to what I was talking about. This ship in the image yes is more modern and not that old. But you see these modern replicas more often these days. I'm ok with them. But I prefer the full classics. I'm just one of those history nerds lol. I love the good old classics and old times of the 1700s. I do go a little into the 1800s, and Victorian era. But that's about as modern I will go. I hope I didn't overwhelm you with this wall of text lol. I sometimes can go off on a long history lesson or trivia hahaha. But I enjoy sharing this knowledge, and era with others. I'm not sure if you're also a enthusiast in this as well. But if you're not I hope that I've given you some interesting history. Feel free to watch me and follow me. I do do such history stuff on my page. I love sharing and educating people with history of my favorite era.
Now and again, the 'Tall Ships' used to come around, its been a while since I've seen them on tour and indeed, a historical marvel! Interesting in that they are currently in use as commercial vessels. Careful with the cranes around all of the rigging. I wonder if a pleasure craft would be held to different standards when compared to a commercial operation as to electronic requirement. I'd think a minimum of radios and nav lights, epirb and a couple radar reflectors would be dandy. Thanks for some excellent information.
I'm actually in the process of building one myself as a pleasure craft. But it's only in planning for now. I expect this to take 10+ years. But Yes you can actually have a ship like that as a pleasure craft. But no you still have to have all the modern amenities on board. Any vessel be it for commercial, or for recreational (pleasure craft) use that is over 25 feet in total length (including hull, and bowsprit) must have a Nav Radar, AIS, an engine for back up propulsion, electricity to power the gadgets, A ship head (toilet) if you will be serving food, and drinks aboard, must have waste holding tanks, and so on. So even if you have the vessel as a pleasure craft it still has to meet those criterias. It's the law. Of course if you build something smaller than 25 feet then you don't need all that. But then you have a tiny sailboat at that point. Not an actual ship. Maybe a gunboat at most. But I'm looking to build an actual small ship. And I'm sharing what I know so far, as reference for you. In case you might be interested in doing your own too.
I've been reading it all up. As I plan on building a English Cutter. A single mast with stays, gafts, and a square. No more than 25 feet of hull length, 36 with the bowsprit. There aren't many of such pleasure crafts out there. I've seen a few. You also need a lot of little things too. Like life jackets, and other boating equipment. You also should have a distress beacon incase the ship does go down. You also need certain equipment on board. And the coast guards usually hail vessels to check on people to see if they are following the laws, and have the needed gear on board. Unfortunately you can't avoid this. It's maritime law made by the UN (United Nations) and it applies to all nations. No matter which waters you sail into. It's always wise to do your homework before you even start to plan to build anything. You can see a coastguard, and a harbor master too. They would also give valuable tips and advice. I've already looked into a lot of this already. It disappoints me as I like to have something more historical. But I'd rather follow the laws to avoid issues. And safety is always #1 priority.
"I wonder if a pleasure craft would be held to different standards when compared to a commercial operation as to electronic requirement. I'd think a minimum of radios and nav lights, epirb and a couple radar reflectors would be dandy. Thanks for some excellent information. "
I can answer that. Yes you need to have all that too. It's required. And when the coast guard patrols and hails you. They could ticket you for not having the required equipment on board. And they'll also print out a list for you of what you should have. Their job is to make sure everyone's safe obviously, and following the law. Also. As a pleasure craft you cannot perform commercial actions. Such as ferrying people for money, hauling cargo for money, and so on. You'd be a classified as a cargo vessel and subject to commercial status. And you'd have to put that into the AIS too. Pleasure crafts can only be used for recreational actions, and nothing more. They must have a radio, AIS, etc, and everything mentioned above.
Eh yeah. The tall rigging can pose a problem in some harbors or canals not made for tall ships. Like low bridges, and cranes. You always gotta watch the masts though. I'd slow down and stop before going under low bridges, and climb up the mast to make sure there's enough clearance. If you go through and the mast hits the bridge. Not only could you damage the bridge, but the mast will come crashing down onto the deck. Very dangerous. And the rigging can get tangled into cranes. However there are still some harbors out there made for tall ships. Which is good. Though when approaching a harbor it's always best to stay cautious and alert. Also know your rights! A tall ship (sailing ship, sailboat) always has the right of way. And metal ships driven by engines only must yield to them at all times, and give them the right of way.
If there's anything else you'd like to know. Let me know. =)
I've been reading it all up. As I plan on building a English Cutter. A single mast with stays, gafts, and a square. No more than 25 feet of hull length, 36 with the bowsprit. There aren't many of such pleasure crafts out there. I've seen a few. You also need a lot of little things too. Like life jackets, and other boating equipment. You also should have a distress beacon incase the ship does go down. You also need certain equipment on board. And the coast guards usually hail vessels to check on people to see if they are following the laws, and have the needed gear on board. Unfortunately you can't avoid this. It's maritime law made by the UN (United Nations) and it applies to all nations. No matter which waters you sail into. It's always wise to do your homework before you even start to plan to build anything. You can see a coastguard, and a harbor master too. They would also give valuable tips and advice. I've already looked into a lot of this already. It disappoints me as I like to have something more historical. But I'd rather follow the laws to avoid issues. And safety is always #1 priority.
"I wonder if a pleasure craft would be held to different standards when compared to a commercial operation as to electronic requirement. I'd think a minimum of radios and nav lights, epirb and a couple radar reflectors would be dandy. Thanks for some excellent information. "
I can answer that. Yes you need to have all that too. It's required. And when the coast guard patrols and hails you. They could ticket you for not having the required equipment on board. And they'll also print out a list for you of what you should have. Their job is to make sure everyone's safe obviously, and following the law. Also. As a pleasure craft you cannot perform commercial actions. Such as ferrying people for money, hauling cargo for money, and so on. You'd be a classified as a cargo vessel and subject to commercial status. And you'd have to put that into the AIS too. Pleasure crafts can only be used for recreational actions, and nothing more. They must have a radio, AIS, etc, and everything mentioned above.
Eh yeah. The tall rigging can pose a problem in some harbors or canals not made for tall ships. Like low bridges, and cranes. You always gotta watch the masts though. I'd slow down and stop before going under low bridges, and climb up the mast to make sure there's enough clearance. If you go through and the mast hits the bridge. Not only could you damage the bridge, but the mast will come crashing down onto the deck. Very dangerous. And the rigging can get tangled into cranes. However there are still some harbors out there made for tall ships. Which is good. Though when approaching a harbor it's always best to stay cautious and alert. Also know your rights! A tall ship (sailing ship, sailboat) always has the right of way. And metal ships driven by engines only must yield to them at all times, and give them the right of way.
If there's anything else you'd like to know. Let me know. =)
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