A mosin I picked up at a gun show but I wanted more than just your regular mosin.
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Then its a Sarco made 'Sniper rifle'. Sarco cranked out thousands of 'sniper rifles' when they were mass importing Nagants and got ahold of the mounts and PU scopes. Then sold them for back then an 'astronomical' sum of between $229-$249 as 'sniper rifles' when regular 91/30s were being sold for $49. another sign is the wood has a fresh looking cut in the stock to accommodate the scope mount. Original sniper 91/30s had the scope mounted holes drilled before the metal was blued. Plus the stock cut out will be dark.
Sarco went as far to add those mounts and PU to Nagant M44s calling them original 'Sniper Carbines' when the Soviets NEVER did that to the M38 or M44 carbines. They got called out by the collectors and stopped it. Sarco has a history of making bullshit guns, including the Chinese "paratrooper SKS" Which was NEVER made by the Chinese for actual military use.
Sarco went as far to add those mounts and PU to Nagant M44s calling them original 'Sniper Carbines' when the Soviets NEVER did that to the M38 or M44 carbines. They got called out by the collectors and stopped it. Sarco has a history of making bullshit guns, including the Chinese "paratrooper SKS" Which was NEVER made by the Chinese for actual military use.
The Russians regularly ground down the bolt to stamp numbers to match, thats why you see a dishing in the bolt strap cause the American collectors were noticing this. The Nagant has whats called "The Nagant Slap", where the bolt is somewhat sticky in extraction and you literally have to slap the bolt open to extract the spent case. I've seen some 91/30s so bad that you practically had to kick the bolt open or use a rubber mallet. Roughly 75% of the Nagants imported have had their bolts ground and renumbered. During the war and even later, the Troops would just group clean their weapons, and just tossing on whatever bolt was ready. Thus causing the horrific mismatching.
Unless the Nagant was a Korean War or early Vietnam (Pre-68) bring back by a GI, roughly 98% are imported. The Russians tried the same thing with the K-98s they mass imported into the US back in the mid-90s, but the Mauser bolt showed the grinding more obviously so those were sold as is. And true to Russian tradition, mass cleaned the cosmoline off in dunking tanks and just slapped the parts back on. It was rare to actually get a Russian capture K-98 with matching numbers, same with the imported Lugers and P38s, though the pistols faired a tad better.
Later on when the Tokarev T-40s were coming in, they just stupidly rushed the guns out and mechanically Penciled in the serial numbers on various parts, I saw one T-40 with two sets of serial numbers etched in by an electric pencil and one was crudely crossed off. My T-40 magazine had THREE serial numbers etched in the magazine.
Oddly the TT-33s and Makarovs didn't have this problem, though I have seen some with interior parts with electric pencil numbers, meaning the parts were replaced.
Unless the Nagant was a Korean War or early Vietnam (Pre-68) bring back by a GI, roughly 98% are imported. The Russians tried the same thing with the K-98s they mass imported into the US back in the mid-90s, but the Mauser bolt showed the grinding more obviously so those were sold as is. And true to Russian tradition, mass cleaned the cosmoline off in dunking tanks and just slapped the parts back on. It was rare to actually get a Russian capture K-98 with matching numbers, same with the imported Lugers and P38s, though the pistols faired a tad better.
Later on when the Tokarev T-40s were coming in, they just stupidly rushed the guns out and mechanically Penciled in the serial numbers on various parts, I saw one T-40 with two sets of serial numbers etched in by an electric pencil and one was crudely crossed off. My T-40 magazine had THREE serial numbers etched in the magazine.
Oddly the TT-33s and Makarovs didn't have this problem, though I have seen some with interior parts with electric pencil numbers, meaning the parts were replaced.
I take it your rifle has the fresh cuts in the stock if you remove the mount?
Don't feel too bad, most of the time its a decent job, though a few were horrific. A friend bought one at a gun show for $500, didn't ask me first, just had to have one. Til we noticed the cross posts were damn near the top of the PU scope and the center post was almost fully to the side. When we took it to the range, centered everything, noticed he was shooting way off low and to the left. By the time we got the rifle centered, it was literally right back where he bought it at. Thats when we did some digging and found out about the Sarco additions to regular rifles and noticed the bullshit Sarco was pushing in Shotgun news. We saw some Sarco's at various shows where they didn't even put a sniper bolt in the rifle, but just simply bent a regular bolt handle down.
And the fastest clue its an original sniper rifle is look at the underside portion of the stock, many of the originals had dove tailing joined wood. In all my years, I've only seen 3 original sniper rifles that were imported. A buddy of mine scored one cheap at a gunshow cause it was about that time when news was breaking about the Sarco rifles and the seller assumed the worst. Another friend scored one that was even better, had Finnish capture markings on it, the Boxed SA on the receiver. I got lucky and found one trading for a Carcano 91 that was literally minty and 98% NRA that I had and the guy wanted REALLY Bad, seems it was Italian Military police marked. I paid only $25 for the Carcano a few years prior, and spending $30-$35 for a box of Norma 6.5 Carcano didn't wash well with me after the third box. That guy also thought he had a Sarco bullshit sniper and was more into Italian guns. I about crapped myself getting home and seeing the stained wood and blued threading.
Though I saw 3 weeks ago a 91/30 sniper that was a Vietnam bring back. That guy was asking $750 for that rifle.
Otherwise just hang onto the one you have as an "example" of the rifle til you somehow manage a real one.
Don't feel too bad, most of the time its a decent job, though a few were horrific. A friend bought one at a gun show for $500, didn't ask me first, just had to have one. Til we noticed the cross posts were damn near the top of the PU scope and the center post was almost fully to the side. When we took it to the range, centered everything, noticed he was shooting way off low and to the left. By the time we got the rifle centered, it was literally right back where he bought it at. Thats when we did some digging and found out about the Sarco additions to regular rifles and noticed the bullshit Sarco was pushing in Shotgun news. We saw some Sarco's at various shows where they didn't even put a sniper bolt in the rifle, but just simply bent a regular bolt handle down.
And the fastest clue its an original sniper rifle is look at the underside portion of the stock, many of the originals had dove tailing joined wood. In all my years, I've only seen 3 original sniper rifles that were imported. A buddy of mine scored one cheap at a gunshow cause it was about that time when news was breaking about the Sarco rifles and the seller assumed the worst. Another friend scored one that was even better, had Finnish capture markings on it, the Boxed SA on the receiver. I got lucky and found one trading for a Carcano 91 that was literally minty and 98% NRA that I had and the guy wanted REALLY Bad, seems it was Italian Military police marked. I paid only $25 for the Carcano a few years prior, and spending $30-$35 for a box of Norma 6.5 Carcano didn't wash well with me after the third box. That guy also thought he had a Sarco bullshit sniper and was more into Italian guns. I about crapped myself getting home and seeing the stained wood and blued threading.
Though I saw 3 weeks ago a 91/30 sniper that was a Vietnam bring back. That guy was asking $750 for that rifle.
Otherwise just hang onto the one you have as an "example" of the rifle til you somehow manage a real one.
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