A screenshot from world of warships that has my favorite battleship of all time......Don't let her size fool you she can out maneuver with the best of them and hide when she needs to
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Not really. Her large rudder afforded her excellent maneuverability for such a big ship. Her downfall was being swarmed by wave upon wave of carrier aircraft with minimal to no support. Same for Musashi. Pretty much any battleship would succumb to the same fate when faced with a similar scenario, with the possible exception of Iowa, as her anti-aircraft loadout was arguably the best among any battleship afloat during the war, and with the highest top end speed at 33 knots. Even faster than the notoriously swift 30 knot Littorio's, who's speed gave the Limey's a major headache in the Mediterranean. Yamato was indeed quite fast for her size at 27 knots, thanks to her bulbous bow and other streamlining features, but speed was ultimately secondary to raw armor and firepower. This comes as no surprise seeing as she was the pinnacle of traditional battleship doctrine, where the BB's are kept at the center of the fleet until the enemy's BB force comes into view, with carriers and other ships providing escort for them until then, but not shying away from engaging if an opportunity arises, while the Iowa's were designed primarily as high speed long range escorts, with fast carriers as the center striking force.
Not talking about her rudder size I was more talking about the response time to the rudder was quite slow which is why she was unable to avoid aerial torpedoes since planes have to drop them closer to the ship herself due to the lesser power of these dropped weapons. The Yamato might have had the biggest guns but she didn't have the best guns in the terms of sheer range and power. The Littorio class battleships take that token since they could fire 42.26 Km or 26.2 miles away from the vessel. The Littorio in my eyes is the pinnacle of the battleship doctrine even though she wasn't as heavily armored she was able to deflect more shots to her armor placement. Now the Yamato is a great ship and I love her to death but most people don't understand that the Littorio classes were basically above every other battleship in all terms.
In world of warships that may be true, but things tend to work alot different in game as opposed to IRL, where Yamato's maneuverability is heavily nerffed compared to her real life version. Littorio's were monstrously powerful for her size, but Yamato's guns were arguably the most destructive when firing conventional shells. The Iowa's (close second) 16 inch/50cal's had similar penetration characteristics to the Yamato's 3200lb AP shells due to their high muzzle velocity guns, coupled with the 2700lb pound heavy shells, but the burst charge within the Yamato's shells was over twice as heavy. As for maximum range, they were about the same as Littorio's, at 26 miles. One has to bear in mind also, that Yamato class had the finest optical fire control system in the world, even better the the superlative ones fitted to the Bismarck's, and was only exceeded by pure blind fire radar directed gunnery on ships like the South Dakota, North Carolina, Iowa, who's main gun targeting systems were so good that when considering updating them with modern computer technology in the 1980's, they declined, as it simply wasn't needed. Armor wise, the Littorio's had less, but higher quality steel used for it. Similar to Bismarck, the max thickness was around 14 inches, as that was apparently the thickest one could get at the time while retaining peak quality. Still, I highly doubt she could take nearly as much punishment IRL as Yamato or Iowa, who's armor may not have been as high in quality, but was so much thicker, and both had so much more total weight of it fitted (21,000 tons for Yamato, 17-18000 for Iowa, vs 13000 for Littorio) it simply didn't matter. Bismarck's design allowed it to take more damage in all likelyhood as well, having 40% of it's weight going to it's armor, and said armor covering over 70% of the ship, (more than any other battleship) with total armor weight (19000 tons) when stripped out of the ship being heavier than all except Yamato. The Pugliese torpedo defense system also had a number of bugs to work out, despite being a sound concept. Not to say Littorio couldn't take a beating. She was a battleship after all, and had among the finest quality steel armor ever put on a warship (plus composite armor in the form of wood inserted between the belt armor plates). The Littorio class is ultimately one of my favorite ships of all time, but I don't see her prevailing against something like a Yamato unless hit and run tactics were employed, as at the end of the day, the Yamato's guns when were the most powerful ever fitted to a warship of any kind, (only exceeded postwar by Iowa's custom nuclear shells) approaching Littorio's muzzle velocity, but having a much heavier shell, and her armor was specifically designed to resist shells from those same guns. An Iowa, South Dakota, or North Carolina would likely fair equally or better against her, (especially Iowa) as despite having radar, Littorio's FCS was not capable of blind fire at night, or bad weather, allowing any of the three to rain down a constant barrage of shells on her, while the Littorio's could manage about half what they would be likely to receive, and thats assuming the shells are top quality, and not the shitty ones they normally got stuck with, that were know for horrible dispersion rates. The Littorio's also had very short range compared to the Iowa's, or even the fuel guzzling Yamato's, limiting their operational use outside the Mediterranean, which was a possible intentional design compromise, as Italian interests lay pretty much exclusively in that region. Richelieu was highly comparable as well, having similar firepower, speed, and armor, but longer range, and better AA (later on at least). A fight between those two would be most interesting, seeing as pre-war, France and Italy were beefing over territory in the Med, with both constantly trying to one up each other in naval construction. I believe Germany was also mostly focused on France pre-war, with the Royal Navy being a more long term bar to match or exceed by the mid-40's as part of the never finished (obviously) Plan Z. My apologies if I came off as condescending in my reply. Also for such a long one. XP (I tend to get carried away when talking about battleships). If I did, it was not my intent.
No by all means I love battleships XD But I used the IRL stats of the Littorio and she also had some very heavy shells for 15 inch guns. Her shells were around 2,000 pounds and had a muzzle velocity of over 800 meters per second. I never use world of warships to decide which of my personal ships is the best since my list goes as followed.
1. Yamato
2. Roma and the Littorio class
3. Tirpitz and the Bismarck class
4. Nagato
5. Mikasa
1. Yamato
2. Roma and the Littorio class
3. Tirpitz and the Bismarck class
4. Nagato
5. Mikasa
Oh well in that case it's all good. :) I wasn't trying to dis Littorio in any way. She's one of my favorite ship classes after all. My top three are in no particular order, Iowa, Bismarck, and Yamato, with either Littorio and Richelieu, or South Dakota and North Carolina coming in at numbers four and five. I really like Nevada, (my home state, so kind of obligatory) Bayern, Scharnhorst, and Graf Spee as well though.
It's quite arguably the best all around battleship, due to being good to excellent at everything. Many other battleships of it's day had at least one glaring weakness, while the Iowa class, maybe not world beating in every criteria, had none, and put little to no extra effort on America's war industry at the time of their construction. They're also still around, and can be called upon for use if needed, while most others have either been scrapped, (HMS Vanguard, Richelieu, Jean Bart, Littorio and Vittorio Veneto most depressingly) or are sitting at the bottom of the ocean (Yamato, Musashi, Roma, Bismarck, and Tirpitz). That said, whether it would win in a straight fight between something like Yamato circa 1945 is debatable, and depends almost entirely on the battle conditions. On a sunny day in perfect weather and calm seas, with equally proficient crew, I'd give it to Yamato. At night, or during a storm, I'd put my money on an Iowa over it or anything else. Circa 1980's, and with it's 1950's custom nuclear shells, and cruise missiles added later, any battleship in it's basic 1940's configuration is getting curbstomped by it before they know what hit them. Also, with regards to publicity, honestly who cares? Sure it's talked about alot among battleship fans, but so are Yamato, Bismarck, Hood, Graf Spee, and Roma. Most too, preferring to focus solely on specs, don't know alot of the more interesting historical events that surround the Iowa's. For example that one time a (very, possibly cursed) destroyer accidentally launched a torpedo at it, prompting the Iowa (then carrying FDR to Tehran to meet with the other allied leaders) to slowly wheel it's guns in her direction, (FDR finding the whole incident more amusing than dangerous) before the destroyer was finally able to message them with essentially, "we fucked up". But getting back on track, not trying to tell you what to think or anything, but you shouldn't let other peoples opinions dictate whether you like/dislike something. It's great fun to have a lesser known thing that you like, or as your favorite when most people haven't even heard of it, but there's certainly no shame in liking something just because everyone else does.
Off topic, I haven't fully decided yet, but I'm considering getting a tattoo of battleship Nevada on my upper right arm, with it's main guns firing a full broadside, two nuclear explosions going off in the background, (to symbolize the two used which failed to sink it during operation Crossroads) with the state flag underneath, and the Nevada slogan "Battle Born", since that's where (Vegas to be specific) I was born. Again, not completely decided, but I think it'd look pretty cool.
Oh yeah, I know. Those other two were a real bitch to take down as well. Kinda sad they weren't preserved as museum ships, but I guess you've gotta test your weapons out somehow. Just goes to show that the armored ships of old aren't nearly as vulnerable to modern anti-ship missiles as so many laymen would have one believe. Latest doesn't always equal the greatest. I just like Nevada because she's my home states battlewagon. She also has quite an interesting history behind her as well, but if I start on that, I'll probably never stop. XP
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