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Events of today inspired this.
1) We are in a better place than we were 50 years ago, but there is still a long way to go. An indicator that we're on the right track will be when having a president of a minority race will not be such a huge deal, when it is commonplace.
2) The above applies to this too. When cases like this: http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=68199 still happen, when I hear people say women who dress a certain way 'deserve' to be raped, when someone posts a vitriolic piece of sexist hatred ('joking' or otherwise) and has people honestly agree? I know very well misogyny is far from dead, and we are far from equal.
3) Some of this misogyny is present in how many people view feminists. At its core, feminism is the belief that a woman should have the right to choose to do whatever she wants in life without being told because she is a woman she cannot. Aside from positions like judges and scientists, this also means a woman has the right to be a stay at home Mom if she wants to. It is, at its heart, a very simple idea. Feminists are also not ALL female. I have had the pleasure of knowing male feminists, some of them even gay!
There are some examples of unkind depictions of men in our society as well, especially in our entertainment with the 'dumb Dad' phenomenon -- but it is still nowhere near as widespread as the persecution against women has been for centuries. Supporting feminism does not instantly mean not supporting men. Women can be misogynists too.
You will NEVER see me make a blanket statement about men. Individuals are individuals and blanket statements are very seldom true. If I am mad at a man or a group of men, I am mad at them and not the entire gender as that would be silly.
Thanks for listening, guys.
1) We are in a better place than we were 50 years ago, but there is still a long way to go. An indicator that we're on the right track will be when having a president of a minority race will not be such a huge deal, when it is commonplace.
2) The above applies to this too. When cases like this: http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=68199 still happen, when I hear people say women who dress a certain way 'deserve' to be raped, when someone posts a vitriolic piece of sexist hatred ('joking' or otherwise) and has people honestly agree? I know very well misogyny is far from dead, and we are far from equal.
3) Some of this misogyny is present in how many people view feminists. At its core, feminism is the belief that a woman should have the right to choose to do whatever she wants in life without being told because she is a woman she cannot. Aside from positions like judges and scientists, this also means a woman has the right to be a stay at home Mom if she wants to. It is, at its heart, a very simple idea. Feminists are also not ALL female. I have had the pleasure of knowing male feminists, some of them even gay!
There are some examples of unkind depictions of men in our society as well, especially in our entertainment with the 'dumb Dad' phenomenon -- but it is still nowhere near as widespread as the persecution against women has been for centuries. Supporting feminism does not instantly mean not supporting men. Women can be misogynists too.
You will NEVER see me make a blanket statement about men. Individuals are individuals and blanket statements are very seldom true. If I am mad at a man or a group of men, I am mad at them and not the entire gender as that would be silly.
Thanks for listening, guys.
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it's ridiculous honestly. I saw the entry on wtf_fa.
And I'll say here what I said there: "
Ten e-dollars says he's actually a skinny, greasy, stringy-hair motherfucker that cringes when anything with tits walks by.
He's probably just letting out his raeg from high school, when girls wouldn't talk to him. :/ Guess it's onto dreams of big, vascular horses pounding him in the ass."
And I'll say here what I said there: "
Ten e-dollars says he's actually a skinny, greasy, stringy-hair motherfucker that cringes when anything with tits walks by.
He's probably just letting out his raeg from high school, when girls wouldn't talk to him. :/ Guess it's onto dreams of big, vascular horses pounding him in the ass."
I saw that whole shebang and damn it was unpleasant to say the least.
Also had something handy about the whole "YOU'RE TOO SENSETIVE" counter-argument they were throwing about - http://www.derailingfordummies.com/#sensitive (it's also great for more)
Also had something handy about the whole "YOU'RE TOO SENSETIVE" counter-argument they were throwing about - http://www.derailingfordummies.com/#sensitive (it's also great for more)
In agreement with the third, there's the issue of how to act or how to dress. I get this a lot. Because I'm not running out to get married or have kids, because I hate dresses, and makeup, and all that jazz I'm not doing the right thing. I kept getting told how despite the fact I do not want to marry or have kids that "I'd change my mind" like I'm expected to do that. I'm being told that's what I'm suppose to be. My also refusal to wear feminine clothing because it makes me feel uncomfortable gets "There's nothing wrong with it from time to time" as if I'm SUPPOSE to wear it. It doesn't matter how much I talk about how I don't like it, I like to wear what makes me feel comfortable, I'm basically expected to wear things like dresses or skirts and being told its just a matter of time before I do.
A lot of my problems is that I'm being told how to dress or how to act because thats what "girls" do. Why does it have to be "this is what girls do and this is what guys do".
A lot of my problems is that I'm being told how to dress or how to act because thats what "girls" do. Why does it have to be "this is what girls do and this is what guys do".
Totally agreed. While I do plan on getting married, I know it's not for everyone. As far as kids go, the thought of pregnancy gets me uncomfortable. If I want to raise kids, I'll adopt.
And as for clothing... I wear men's jeans and t-shirts at all times. It's what I like. It's what's comfortable.
And as for clothing... I wear men's jeans and t-shirts at all times. It's what I like. It's what's comfortable.
My not wanting kids is more so the fact I don't have any real drive towards them. How like everyone seems to imply I'm suppose to adore children or think they're all cute... I don't really feel that. I don't feel anything. Yet even because of that I'm still being told "Oh you'll get over that once you have kids." The logic fails somewhere in there.
For me comfort is baggy clothes, roomy and I can move in them. Because I'm not wearing tight clothing or iddy biddy clothing, or shiny girly color/designed stuff I'm somehow not properly dressed. Why do I have to wear that stuff? I like suits and stuff over dresses but I'm apparently weird or a freak for it.
For me comfort is baggy clothes, roomy and I can move in them. Because I'm not wearing tight clothing or iddy biddy clothing, or shiny girly color/designed stuff I'm somehow not properly dressed. Why do I have to wear that stuff? I like suits and stuff over dresses but I'm apparently weird or a freak for it.
And if I were to wear a dress, I'd be a big faggy homo.
I mean, I don't have an overwhelming desire to wear a dress, but I am sort of jealous of how women have so many socially acceptable methods of prettying themselves up, but if I tried it, it would be "so incredibly gay."
I mean, I don't have an overwhelming desire to wear a dress, but I am sort of jealous of how women have so many socially acceptable methods of prettying themselves up, but if I tried it, it would be "so incredibly gay."
Yeah, if you have no interest in raising children, you shouldn't have to. People are just people. We choose what we want in life.
I personally have no current strong desires towards having children, but I have thought about it, so who knows. Still, either way, I am , as I said, determined to stick to adoption. Being a woman has nothing to do with it. My boyfriend wants kids more than I do!
Baggy. That's why I wear men's clothing personally. They always seem to be much looser and easier to wear. When I want to "dress up" my idea of that is a pair of Tripp pants and a t-shirt or a men's suit one size too big.
I personally have no current strong desires towards having children, but I have thought about it, so who knows. Still, either way, I am , as I said, determined to stick to adoption. Being a woman has nothing to do with it. My boyfriend wants kids more than I do!
Baggy. That's why I wear men's clothing personally. They always seem to be much looser and easier to wear. When I want to "dress up" my idea of that is a pair of Tripp pants and a t-shirt or a men's suit one size too big.
"I don't really feel that. I don't feel anything. Yet even because of that I'm still being told 'Oh you'll get over that once you have kids.'"
That... kind of implies that you are going to have kids against your will. I wonder if the people who say that realize they're effectively saying they hope you get forceably impregnated at some point.
That... kind of implies that you are going to have kids against your will. I wonder if the people who say that realize they're effectively saying they hope you get forceably impregnated at some point.
I have to change the age up one... didn't realize it was still showing 22 XD
these are even people at like stores and stuff. Like when I went to get a dress for my brother's wedding, I had stated about not wanting to get married or not wearing a dress and I got those kinda reactions.
these are even people at like stores and stuff. Like when I went to get a dress for my brother's wedding, I had stated about not wanting to get married or not wearing a dress and I got those kinda reactions.
Thank you for pointing that out about the 'indoctrination' thing because thats really what it is. Look at the differences in toys to begin with, bout the same as the clothes scenario and such and such. "This is boys stuff, this is girls stuff" and if either are caught playing with the other its somehow a disciplinary offense. I played with farm animals so I was in the neutral zone XD
I get from my mom a lot the "You USED to wear dresses when you were little, why don't you do it now?" And doesn't matter how many times I explain it, I don't think I get quite through her head with it. She at least knows I do not like handling or being around little children but she still tries the shove the idea of me going and getting pregnant because of that "Change your mind" thing.
I get from my mom a lot the "You USED to wear dresses when you were little, why don't you do it now?" And doesn't matter how many times I explain it, I don't think I get quite through her head with it. She at least knows I do not like handling or being around little children but she still tries the shove the idea of me going and getting pregnant because of that "Change your mind" thing.
I'm betting yeah your mom won't because there's that whole idea that a girls life long dream or duty is to get married and have kids.
That's something I hate too, the assaulted by pink for girly clothes. I really don't like pink unless its a particular shade or paired with another color but in the majority I prefer greens, blues, and browns.
Talking about mothers always wanting girly girls, thats something I've heard from my mother too, going so far as catching her saying to my foster sister "Its so nice to have a girly girl for a change" Its annoying. Why does a girl have to be a 'girly girl' or they're something of a disappointment to their mother (or father) because they're not.
That's something I hate too, the assaulted by pink for girly clothes. I really don't like pink unless its a particular shade or paired with another color but in the majority I prefer greens, blues, and browns.
Talking about mothers always wanting girly girls, thats something I've heard from my mother too, going so far as catching her saying to my foster sister "Its so nice to have a girly girl for a change" Its annoying. Why does a girl have to be a 'girly girl' or they're something of a disappointment to their mother (or father) because they're not.
This. A thousand times, this!
I've been called a "a boy" by my peers since I moved to this area 20 years ago and entered kindergarten. Why? I had chin-length hair, I wore some girlish clothes, but I had a hand-me-down backpack with either Ninja Turtles or The Simpsons on it. I was often told, not only by children my age, but by teachers and other adults that what I liked was "for boys". Or if I had more friends that were boys, somehow that made me a boy.
I had trouble making friends with the other girls because of this.
I don't mean to paint you a sad picture, but shit like this continued until I graduated high school. All the while I've been told "you can't wear that" or "that's for men", I've been called a man by other students. Once in middle school when the boys and girls were supposed to be split up for their own Sex Ed groups, two girls much larger than I got in my face and said "You better go". Laughing and pushing.
I guess the tl;dr of this story is when I was a junior I started wearing ties and dress shirts, then my senior year and ties to Humanities and my girlfriend and I would hold hands and cuddle (you know, innocent enough stuff) and laugh when people made a big deal. I wore that suit and I didn't give a flying fuck, they all labeled me as "dat gurl wanna be a boy" so be it.
I just fail to see how interests or clothing style dictate what gender you are, or what gender role people are "Supposed" to have. It has always upset and hurt me. But nothing has hurt more than people telling me that I have "gender issues" or some kind of "gender problem". My own mother says I have a "Gender problem". It boggles my mind that other women buy into this blatant sexism.
sorry if I strayed from the topic, but your post really hit home for me and I wanted to offer some insight.
I don't see how wearing a tie, or having a lot of close friends that are male makes me a man. I was born a girl, that never changed.
I've been called a "a boy" by my peers since I moved to this area 20 years ago and entered kindergarten. Why? I had chin-length hair, I wore some girlish clothes, but I had a hand-me-down backpack with either Ninja Turtles or The Simpsons on it. I was often told, not only by children my age, but by teachers and other adults that what I liked was "for boys". Or if I had more friends that were boys, somehow that made me a boy.
I had trouble making friends with the other girls because of this.
I don't mean to paint you a sad picture, but shit like this continued until I graduated high school. All the while I've been told "you can't wear that" or "that's for men", I've been called a man by other students. Once in middle school when the boys and girls were supposed to be split up for their own Sex Ed groups, two girls much larger than I got in my face and said "You better go". Laughing and pushing.
I guess the tl;dr of this story is when I was a junior I started wearing ties and dress shirts, then my senior year and ties to Humanities and my girlfriend and I would hold hands and cuddle (you know, innocent enough stuff) and laugh when people made a big deal. I wore that suit and I didn't give a flying fuck, they all labeled me as "dat gurl wanna be a boy" so be it.
I just fail to see how interests or clothing style dictate what gender you are, or what gender role people are "Supposed" to have. It has always upset and hurt me. But nothing has hurt more than people telling me that I have "gender issues" or some kind of "gender problem". My own mother says I have a "Gender problem". It boggles my mind that other women buy into this blatant sexism.
sorry if I strayed from the topic, but your post really hit home for me and I wanted to offer some insight.
I don't see how wearing a tie, or having a lot of close friends that are male makes me a man. I was born a girl, that never changed.
That...right there is a big thing and so true. Especially the whole "Gender problem" "issues" etc etc. Because you like so called 'boy things' that suddenly you're suppose to be genderly confused? What the hell...
Going by with one of the other things I talked about with someone on here, the idea of from an early age its being shoved into our brains that "this is for them here, and thats for you" Boys get power tools and cars, girls get vanities, dolls, and kitchenette sets. If either plays with the opposite, you're just about punished for it.
Going by with one of the other things I talked about with someone on here, the idea of from an early age its being shoved into our brains that "this is for them here, and thats for you" Boys get power tools and cars, girls get vanities, dolls, and kitchenette sets. If either plays with the opposite, you're just about punished for it.
I fucking hate this :/
I like dressing like a boy.
Honestly, I'm much more comfortable acting and looking like a boy than I am a woman. I look better anyways. And I'm married and have a child. But you know what?
That doesn't mean every one has to. I wanted a spawn. I wanted a husband, though he's girlier than I am.
I have a guy friend who looks phenomenal in a skirt. I don't see why we're still stuck in the 'this is what boys do, this is what girls do' mentality.
If Kael wants to dress like a boy, I'll sure as hell let her.
I like dressing like a boy.
Honestly, I'm much more comfortable acting and looking like a boy than I am a woman. I look better anyways. And I'm married and have a child. But you know what?
That doesn't mean every one has to. I wanted a spawn. I wanted a husband, though he's girlier than I am.
I have a guy friend who looks phenomenal in a skirt. I don't see why we're still stuck in the 'this is what boys do, this is what girls do' mentality.
If Kael wants to dress like a boy, I'll sure as hell let her.
Thats something that makes me ponder, everyone (Or at least the majority) immediately thinks if you dress or act like a boy you won't get married or have kids "You have to act like this or the boys won't like you" sorta scenario.
Same with the girly dressed guys, that whole idea of HAVING to be all up into the macho-manly stuff or else.
Totally posting on this reply that I find it funny how many replies I've gotten from what I put on tech's artwork.
Same with the girly dressed guys, that whole idea of HAVING to be all up into the macho-manly stuff or else.
Totally posting on this reply that I find it funny how many replies I've gotten from what I put on tech's artwork.
I honestly wish I had a camera. but then again, it would have been rude to take a picture probably XD
I don't even dress in like, nasty men's cloths either. When possible, I wear black or pinstriped slacks, dress shoes, a white button up shirt, and a vest if I have one that matches. the only 'yeck' mens cloths I have are a nice pair of baggy camo-pants and a few tank tops that I wear where I go exploring.
I don't even dress in like, nasty men's cloths either. When possible, I wear black or pinstriped slacks, dress shoes, a white button up shirt, and a vest if I have one that matches. the only 'yeck' mens cloths I have are a nice pair of baggy camo-pants and a few tank tops that I wear where I go exploring.
Seems like you choose the 'classy' looking stuff a lot. Thats something I see as being 'wtf' if you're getting yelled at mainly because its nice non-trampy/slacker/ or as you put it nasty clothing. Its something decent and good for a respectful sorta attitude. Its what I'd love to wear if I could find stuff that fit me properly (no alterations please!)
Well think of it this way, if she was rude enough to come up and berate you for that when she didn't even know you, just desserts of the picture! (totally bad way of thinking about it but still! XD)
Well think of it this way, if she was rude enough to come up and berate you for that when she didn't even know you, just desserts of the picture! (totally bad way of thinking about it but still! XD)
XD Yea. I mean, I wear jeans and stuff, but that's things usually tailored for girls because I'm rather slender, so altering jeans to fit my waist, and my long legs, is really difficult XD
I don't get why she was berating me honestly. Its not like I look overly boyish. I mean, my hair is short, and I bind my chest some when I can just because I hate having a larger rack. But wtf, at least I do it with class.
I sound like a prepubescent boy to, so I think she may have thought I was a lesbian XD I live in the bible belt.
I don't get why she was berating me honestly. Its not like I look overly boyish. I mean, my hair is short, and I bind my chest some when I can just because I hate having a larger rack. But wtf, at least I do it with class.
I sound like a prepubescent boy to, so I think she may have thought I was a lesbian XD I live in the bible belt.
And then on the opposite end of the spectrum there's the people who try really really hard to be understanding, but if you're at all gender atypical they're like "it's okay I know you're really a man on the inside"
Jesus christ I am not a tranny just because I hate how people speak with a different tone of voice and don't let me carry heavy things when I wear something pretty.
Jesus christ I am not a tranny just because I hate how people speak with a different tone of voice and don't let me carry heavy things when I wear something pretty.
Totally good point! I hadn't thought of it in that way, mostly due to not having experienced it myself. Someone trying way to hard to basically be the "cool and understanding" rather than just going "okay cool" and going on with their lives can be annoying. Its still a form of not treating you like a normal person the way you are sorta scenario I'd think, yeah?
No problem, and thank you for taking my comment in the spirit I intended (people usually get defensive about these things so it's refreshing. ~:3 ). It's unfortunately a slur that gets used in mainstream media so much that people don't often realize it's hurtful to trans folks, particularly to trans women.
THISSSSSSSSS, especially on the babies thing >:C
Yes, because women are nothing better than walking uteruses and broodmares, therefore we ALL have to want baybees no matter what. Any female bodied person who has 0 biological drive to procreate or decides they don't want kids because of X, Y, Z obviously has no soul/is a coldhearted bitch/was abused as a child/is a freak.
I have friends who don't want children and physically can't anyway, and people act like it's some huge sad thing because they don't want to waste money on IVF or a surrogate (yet those same people say that adoption "isn't the same, it has to be your own biological child." Wat?)
It maketh me angry :(
Also makeup sucks, and I haven't worn it for years unless I'm doing something that requires formal fancy attire. Nobody really notices.
Yes, because women are nothing better than walking uteruses and broodmares, therefore we ALL have to want baybees no matter what. Any female bodied person who has 0 biological drive to procreate or decides they don't want kids because of X, Y, Z obviously has no soul/is a coldhearted bitch/was abused as a child/is a freak.
I have friends who don't want children and physically can't anyway, and people act like it's some huge sad thing because they don't want to waste money on IVF or a surrogate (yet those same people say that adoption "isn't the same, it has to be your own biological child." Wat?)
It maketh me angry :(
Also makeup sucks, and I haven't worn it for years unless I'm doing something that requires formal fancy attire. Nobody really notices.
Oh god I know someone who basically had a hissy at the idea of adoption because "I didn't make them" which to me boils down to some convoluted attempt to cover up the real meaning of "I didn't have the sexxors for it". And from them I did get the "Oh thats so sad" that I don't feel anything for attachment to babies or children.
To me makeup is basically a mask, it hides who I am. If I cover up all my imperfections its basically like lying to people. Ever see people with and without makeup? They look entirely different (depending on the level of makeup too I guess).
That and it makes my face uncomfortable (I had to wear it for a wedding and loathed every minute of it)
To me makeup is basically a mask, it hides who I am. If I cover up all my imperfections its basically like lying to people. Ever see people with and without makeup? They look entirely different (depending on the level of makeup too I guess).
That and it makes my face uncomfortable (I had to wear it for a wedding and loathed every minute of it)
Agreed on all counts. How can we say Obama means race isn't an issue when his race always seems to be an issue? How can we say we have sexual equality when men still generally make more, and have many more options open to them? And it really is unfortunate that the default view of feminism is the 'ultra-feminist' stereotype. How are things supposed to change if the people trying to make the chance are viewed as whack-jobs?
And this is of course, just the tip of the misconception iceberg.
And this is of course, just the tip of the misconception iceberg.
Obama's election has actually increased the race issue a bit, IMO. Never have I seej a president's every move followed so closely as his. Even if it isn't meant to be hateful, I still see it as racist when he's made such a big deal for no other reason than he's the first black president.
Well, part of it I think is the level of celebrity he's built up, and the fact that the conservative media wants to see him crash and burn because he just doesn't agree with them, but yeah, all this "Black President OMG look at him go!" is a bit silly.
It's also unfortunate how much people have built him up, he can't possibly live up to all the hype at this point.
It's also unfortunate how much people have built him up, he can't possibly live up to all the hype at this point.
I know. I honestly have no opinions of the guy. Same as any president, I just plainly don't give a damn about politics. But the media treats him more like a Hollywood hotshot celebrity. It's not just his political decisions, but his everyday life. My mom has even read articles on what the man eats!
Yeah. Even if the journal itself was just a stupid strategy to achieve a lazy end, the fact that so many people went "Right on man" or "I agree completely" made me really, reeeeeeally unhappy. Even if it was truly meant to be a joke, something like can really easily encourage some damn prejudiced behavior, and then make those who have such inclinations think it's alright to make decisions and choices based on them. If someone popular is being an incredible racist/misogynist/homophobe, then it makes others think it's not just fine, but good to be that way too.
You think that things aren't as bad, and that people still don't think this way, or harbor major prejudices. And then you see just because you aren't prejudiced clearly doesn't mean others aren't.
You think that things aren't as bad, and that people still don't think this way, or harbor major prejudices. And then you see just because you aren't prejudiced clearly doesn't mean others aren't.
Yeah that's the point I kept trying to get across in 
booboobunnygirl's journal. Even as a "joke" it was in poor taste and it really encouraged the nastiest sort of people.
Although really, I hardly consider it a joke. You can call it one all you want but considering the vitriol I think he was just trying to couch it in fake humor to push away his critics. If he didn't harbor any sort of real negative feelings, he wouldn't have posted something like that in the first place.
booboobunnygirl's journal. Even as a "joke" it was in poor taste and it really encouraged the nastiest sort of people. Although really, I hardly consider it a joke. You can call it one all you want but considering the vitriol I think he was just trying to couch it in fake humor to push away his critics. If he didn't harbor any sort of real negative feelings, he wouldn't have posted something like that in the first place.
Yeeeeah. Of course, I don't really think it was a joke in the slightest. I don't think even he thought that. It was nothing more than a ploy to get people to demand to be off his commission list, because he didn't want to just own up and say "Sorry, it was too much guys, I need some commissions to drop." Which, even completely ignoring the misogyny, is a pretty shitty thing to do.
Look why do you guys cared so hard about Andrew Shepard's murder I mean if he had kept it on his pants he wouldn't have been buldegeoned to death
And perhaps if the uppity blacks on Port Chicago were any careful they wouldn't have been vaporized and then tried to blame the innocent white officials that just wanted a job well done and done fast
GUYS THESE ARE JUST OPINIONS. GEEZ WHY ARE FURFAGS SO CARING OF IDEAS????
And perhaps if the uppity blacks on Port Chicago were any careful they wouldn't have been vaporized and then tried to blame the innocent white officials that just wanted a job well done and done fast
GUYS THESE ARE JUST OPINIONS. GEEZ WHY ARE FURFAGS SO CARING OF IDEAS????
racism is as present as ever, just as killing is
some girls are asking to be raped not by how they dress but by how they act
feminism is a just cause but there are radicals as to any movement, and some of them would definitely not have a problem if they were just typically effeminate themselves
individuals are individuals, and every group has it's weakest links
only when someone admittedly subscribes to a stereotype can you judge them based on that
some girls are asking to be raped not by how they dress but by how they act
feminism is a just cause but there are radicals as to any movement, and some of them would definitely not have a problem if they were just typically effeminate themselves
individuals are individuals, and every group has it's weakest links
only when someone admittedly subscribes to a stereotype can you judge them based on that
"some girls are asking to be raped not by how they dress but by how they act"
No. Nobody is EVER asking to be raped.
"feminism is a just cause but there are radicals as to any movement, and some of them would definitely not have a problem if they were just typically effeminate themselves"
There may be radicals, but nobody should HAVE to be 'more typically effeminate'.
No. Nobody is EVER asking to be raped.
"feminism is a just cause but there are radicals as to any movement, and some of them would definitely not have a problem if they were just typically effeminate themselves"
There may be radicals, but nobody should HAVE to be 'more typically effeminate'.
some girls ask to be raped.
like freshman, sophomores, so they don't look like whores and can get away with fucking a guy
it happens
it causes more attention than consensual sex
it is the epitome of attention for a drama whore/sociopath
nobody should have to feel anything, but these people choose to
they believe they have shortcomings and are protesting to feel better about themselves when they should just realize it doesn't matter
like freshman, sophomores, so they don't look like whores and can get away with fucking a guy
it happens
it causes more attention than consensual sex
it is the epitome of attention for a drama whore/sociopath
nobody should have to feel anything, but these people choose to
they believe they have shortcomings and are protesting to feel better about themselves when they should just realize it doesn't matter
Yeah no they totally asked for it
I've had two good friends in my life be violently raped in their own homes
They TOTALLY asked for it. I didn't find out about it until several years of knowing them, but yeah man it was totally an attention thing.
So like, do you go out of your way to be a jackass as an attention thing or are you just a jackass?
I've had two good friends in my life be violently raped in their own homes
They TOTALLY asked for it. I didn't find out about it until several years of knowing them, but yeah man it was totally an attention thing.
So like, do you go out of your way to be a jackass as an attention thing or are you just a jackass?
some girls ask to be raped.
like freshman, sophomores, so they don't look like whores and can get away with fucking a guy
it happens
it causes more attention than consensual sex
it is the epitome of attention for a drama whore/sociopath
This is totally unrelated to the point at all. That is not 'asking' to be raped, that is lying about being raped. Even moreso -- unless you were there at the time, taking video, you don't know how the situation went down. People could be starting rumors that the person is just making things up in order to make the other party seem innocent. This is ACTUALLY another example of misogyny -- I have yet to see a guy say something was rape to get out of getting in trouble, and boys can get in just as much trouble as girls for having sex. What makes it sad is some men who may have BEEN raped by a woman can't even come forward because people would be less likely to take them seriously due to the idea that men can't be raped by women.
they believe they have shortcomings and are protesting to feel better about themselves when they should just realize it doesn't matter
I'm sorry, but I really don't understand what this whole sentence means.
like freshman, sophomores, so they don't look like whores and can get away with fucking a guy
it happens
it causes more attention than consensual sex
it is the epitome of attention for a drama whore/sociopath
This is totally unrelated to the point at all. That is not 'asking' to be raped, that is lying about being raped. Even moreso -- unless you were there at the time, taking video, you don't know how the situation went down. People could be starting rumors that the person is just making things up in order to make the other party seem innocent. This is ACTUALLY another example of misogyny -- I have yet to see a guy say something was rape to get out of getting in trouble, and boys can get in just as much trouble as girls for having sex. What makes it sad is some men who may have BEEN raped by a woman can't even come forward because people would be less likely to take them seriously due to the idea that men can't be raped by women.
they believe they have shortcomings and are protesting to feel better about themselves when they should just realize it doesn't matter
I'm sorry, but I really don't understand what this whole sentence means.
sorry, i thought it was related
It's still technically rape so I thought it was relevant
i was the guy who "raped" her so yeah i was there
the judge recognized her bullshit and i went free but it still sucked
and yeah, that's true. sexism is bs
I was saying people who don't fit society's rules should just ignore them because they are stupid and don't matter and people who think they matter are not worth their time
It's still technically rape so I thought it was relevant
i was the guy who "raped" her so yeah i was there
the judge recognized her bullshit and i went free but it still sucked
and yeah, that's true. sexism is bs
I was saying people who don't fit society's rules should just ignore them because they are stupid and don't matter and people who think they matter are not worth their time
Experience or not, try common sense.
Asking for rape. Hmm. Being forced into a sexual act, against your will, in a show of power and lust. Being overpowered, being violated, being brutality stripped of any dignity you may have.
Oh yes, some women are just asking for that. They have wet dreams of it every night.
No one asks to be raped. No one wants to be raped. They might be asking for SEX, but not RAPE. There is a vast[ difference between the two.
One is about physical need, one is about power. Which do you think is which? People that "dress like sluts" aren't out to be raped, they are out for sex. There IS a difference. Personal experience or not, this is kind of obvious.
Asking for rape. Hmm. Being forced into a sexual act, against your will, in a show of power and lust. Being overpowered, being violated, being brutality stripped of any dignity you may have.
Oh yes, some women are just asking for that. They have wet dreams of it every night.
No one asks to be raped. No one wants to be raped. They might be asking for SEX, but not RAPE. There is a vast[ difference between the two.
One is about physical need, one is about power. Which do you think is which? People that "dress like sluts" aren't out to be raped, they are out for sex. There IS a difference. Personal experience or not, this is kind of obvious.
Calling it rape "later" still doesn't mean that some women are asking to be raped.
Rape is sex without consent. Claiming it is rape at a later time is not "asking for rape" it's being stupid. Again, pulling "personal experience" into an item that has a definition different from what you're trying to portray is not the brightest thing to do.
Women, men, do not ASK for rape. They may claim rape, but it is NOT the same thing.
And it doesn't equal confusion, it equals stupidity on many parts.
Rape is sex without consent. Claiming it is rape at a later time is not "asking for rape" it's being stupid. Again, pulling "personal experience" into an item that has a definition different from what you're trying to portray is not the brightest thing to do.
Women, men, do not ASK for rape. They may claim rape, but it is NOT the same thing.
And it doesn't equal confusion, it equals stupidity on many parts.
Yeah, like I BEGGED my ex co-worker at my job in 2007 to PIN ME AGAINST A WALL AND RUB HIMSELF ALL OVER ME. Because you know, I was totally ASKING FOR IT in my work attire going to the break room on my break for lunch.
You need to go burn in a fucking fire. Rape is the WORST thing that can happen to ANYONE. (Well, one of the worst things. Murder is right up there also.)
You need to go burn in a fucking fire. Rape is the WORST thing that can happen to ANYONE. (Well, one of the worst things. Murder is right up there also.)
YOU'RE MAKING ME WANNA CRY THIS ISN'T WHAT I MEANT RAPE IS TERRIBLE I MISSPOKE AND CALLED HAVING CONSENSUAL SEX AND CALLING IT RAPE AS ASKING FOR RAPE I'M SORRY I'M SORRY I'M SORRY I'M SORRY STOP THINKING I'M THIS HEARTLESS PERSON I SAID THE WRONG THING ON ACCIDENT PLEASE
Most people here are not convinced that you meant differently because you kept it up for a long time. Had you caught your mistake the first time you said it, people probably would not be as harsh as they are being on you now.
I can see where you made the mistake, but on the internet, no one can hear you scream...or really care. Especially with the topic of rape or murder (anything similar for that matter) you need to chose your words CAREFULLY.
I can see where you made the mistake, but on the internet, no one can hear you scream...or really care. Especially with the topic of rape or murder (anything similar for that matter) you need to chose your words CAREFULLY.
some girls are asking to be raped not by how they dress but by how they act
Okay, no stop there, DUMB.
Rape is never a justifiable behavior and how someone "acts to deserve it" is incredibly subjective.
Again, it's reinforcing negative actions with more negative action and it gets nothing done and makes life worse for everyone.
And there are a ton of great causes out there that have radicals in them (green peace, PETA) but that shouldn't stop people from encouraging animal rights or environmental causes because of them either.
Okay, no stop there, DUMB.
Rape is never a justifiable behavior and how someone "acts to deserve it" is incredibly subjective.
Again, it's reinforcing negative actions with more negative action and it gets nothing done and makes life worse for everyone.
And there are a ton of great causes out there that have radicals in them (green peace, PETA) but that shouldn't stop people from encouraging animal rights or environmental causes because of them either.
that's called being an idiot and not owning up to one's responsibility. THAT IS NOT RAPE.
NO ONE ever ever asks to be raped. That is called VICTIM BLAMING and makes the blamer look like a piece of shit. The act of rape is entirely the fault of the rapist for not being able to control themselves.
NO ONE ever ever asks to be raped. That is called VICTIM BLAMING and makes the blamer look like a piece of shit. The act of rape is entirely the fault of the rapist for not being able to control themselves.
"feminism is a just cause but there are radicals as to any movement, and some of them would definitely not have a problem if they were just typically effeminate themselves"
so you're saying that groups who are trying to change how society thinks would have less of a problem if they just acted how society says they should act
that is some high class DURRHURR going on right there, yep
so you're saying that groups who are trying to change how society thinks would have less of a problem if they just acted how society says they should act
that is some high class DURRHURR going on right there, yep
i can't understand a single fucking thing you just said. how about you write in full sentences, eh?
also, it's not drama. it's called raising awareness and demanding that society changes so that they don't HAVE to be outcasts. no one should be treated as anything less than human, and saying that they should just shut up and deal with it somewhere else is goddamn idiocy.
also, it's not drama. it's called raising awareness and demanding that society changes so that they don't HAVE to be outcasts. no one should be treated as anything less than human, and saying that they should just shut up and deal with it somewhere else is goddamn idiocy.
i believe what you're referring to is women who have sex with a guy, and then regret doing it/do it so they can get something else and call it rape. that is a whole other issue next to rape. No one legitimately asks to be raped. Saying that someone was "asking for it" is vicitim blaming and makes you (general you) a piece of shit.
What you're talking about is important too, as it trivializes rape and makes it harder for those who genuinely were raped to get some kind of justice served to the rapist and for social change to actually happen.
What you're talking about is important too, as it trivializes rape and makes it harder for those who genuinely were raped to get some kind of justice served to the rapist and for social change to actually happen.
it's not rape though, because the woman consented to the act, even if her motives were malicious. look, the definition of rape is cut and dry: if one of the parties involved in the act did not/can not consent, that is rape.
however, you can not read a person's mind and tell if they are lying or not. in the case of rape, i give the benefit of the doubt because it is horrible to be raped and then have nothing done about it.
however, you can not read a person's mind and tell if they are lying or not. in the case of rape, i give the benefit of the doubt because it is horrible to be raped and then have nothing done about it.
and no it's not rape
but it is charged as rape
sorry i called it rape i guess it doesn't belong here
just reminded me of this phenomena where rape is accused and rape did not happen
therefore rape
therefore OMG RAPE I FEEL SO BAD FOR HER
therefore getting away with a horrible act of injustice
but it is charged as rape
sorry i called it rape i guess it doesn't belong here
just reminded me of this phenomena where rape is accused and rape did not happen
therefore rape
therefore OMG RAPE I FEEL SO BAD FOR HER
therefore getting away with a horrible act of injustice
Right, I'll remember that point next time I'm raped in the ass with a stick that has nails sticking out of it.
Remember Hitler? Remember the Holocaust? Maybe they should have just shut up and dealt with it too. Because that's basically what you're saying.
"Hey, guys, um. Yeah, the Jewish people, like myself, we're being treated kind of poorly and we'd really like to have the right to sit in the park and to not be gassed in a prison camp."
"Shut up, you just don't fit in with our group. Just learn to deal with it."
Oh, yeah, that sounds so like what the world should do.
Remember Hitler? Remember the Holocaust? Maybe they should have just shut up and dealt with it too. Because that's basically what you're saying.
"Hey, guys, um. Yeah, the Jewish people, like myself, we're being treated kind of poorly and we'd really like to have the right to sit in the park and to not be gassed in a prison camp."
"Shut up, you just don't fit in with our group. Just learn to deal with it."
Oh, yeah, that sounds so like what the world should do.
Yes it does! You said that society shouldn't change because some people, "bitches," don't feel like they are fitting in with a group, and wanted to be treated like they do. Because, then they are "radicals."
What do you think the fight for woman's suffrage and civil rights was all about? By your logic, you're saying that we should still have the same rights and society as the 1700's or earlier.
What do you think the fight for woman's suffrage and civil rights was all about? By your logic, you're saying that we should still have the same rights and society as the 1700's or earlier.
"no
they can't
they weren't born with it
they want to have been
they need to realize it doesn't matter
if you don't fit into a group, go somewhere else and don't start drama"
Uh-huh. One more time, with feeling. What's this now?
"I'm African American, I wasn't born into the 'white' group. My group has to pee in a cup instead of using a real restroom. That's just the way the group is, I just have to realize that and go somewhere else rather than stir up drama and want the same rights."
Yes, because they need to ignore people that want the same thing as another group, and stop being so narrow minded.
I think we're done here. It's been fun watching you trip over yourself. See you around!
they can't
they weren't born with it
they want to have been
they need to realize it doesn't matter
if you don't fit into a group, go somewhere else and don't start drama"
Uh-huh. One more time, with feeling. What's this now?
"I'm African American, I wasn't born into the 'white' group. My group has to pee in a cup instead of using a real restroom. That's just the way the group is, I just have to realize that and go somewhere else rather than stir up drama and want the same rights."
Yes, because they need to ignore people that want the same thing as another group, and stop being so narrow minded.
I think we're done here. It's been fun watching you trip over yourself. See you around!
No, I'm fighting you because you're a bigot. Again, big difference. I'm not making anything up, I'm quoting you. Unless you're making things up... hmm, interesting thought there.
I'm actually being far more rational than you are. I'm showing examples, cold hard facts. I'm reasoning. You, good sir, are stating that you're in better knowledge because you had sex with your girlfriend and she cried rape.
Which, I'm guessing, makes you the expert on rape, and therefore qualified to know what women want, what women ask for, and everyone else, even women, are wrong. And, since you've been there done that, makes you an expert on radicals, support groups, and the human race in general. Because that's what you're trying to make people believe with every post you make. And when you're pointed out that you're wrong, quoting you to point out that you are wrong, you tell people that they are trolls, that they aren't being rational.
Great job!
I'm actually being far more rational than you are. I'm showing examples, cold hard facts. I'm reasoning. You, good sir, are stating that you're in better knowledge because you had sex with your girlfriend and she cried rape.
Which, I'm guessing, makes you the expert on rape, and therefore qualified to know what women want, what women ask for, and everyone else, even women, are wrong. And, since you've been there done that, makes you an expert on radicals, support groups, and the human race in general. Because that's what you're trying to make people believe with every post you make. And when you're pointed out that you're wrong, quoting you to point out that you are wrong, you tell people that they are trolls, that they aren't being rational.
Great job!
no i'm not a bigot
you are not you are bringing up things that have nothing to do with my point.
you are making assumptions on me that i never claimed
you aren't being rational because you aren't even arguing with my points, just bringing up other cliches to argue with me about, and i never called you a troll so you obviously have some self guilt in the matter.
also, i already said that i misspoke so quoting me means nothing.
quit fighting me you don't even know what i'm talking about
you are not you are bringing up things that have nothing to do with my point.
you are making assumptions on me that i never claimed
you aren't being rational because you aren't even arguing with my points, just bringing up other cliches to argue with me about, and i never called you a troll so you obviously have some self guilt in the matter.
also, i already said that i misspoke so quoting me means nothing.
quit fighting me you don't even know what i'm talking about
"i was the guy who 'raped' her so yeah i was there"
You said, right there, what I'm "assuming" on you but you never "claimed."
I am bringing up things that have to do with your point. One of your points, as I quoted you above, was that people that aren't in a group need to stop crying out about it.
"no
they can't
they weren't born with it
they want to have been
they need to realize it doesn't matter
if you don't fit into a group, go somewhere else and don't start drama"
Yes, that quote, AGAIN. You said that in response to someone pointing out that your comment of "feminism is a just cause but there are radicals as to any movement, and some of them would definitely not have a problem if they were just typically effeminate themselves" is flawed.
You said, in a nutshell, that people are born into a group, and they can't change that. And what happens to that group happens, and they can't change that.
I pointed out that this is wrong, and that if people feel they are being wronged, that they are going to speak up. You are telling us that they need to just deal with it. My pointing out the Holocaust, the civil rights movement, hell, the multiple revolutions all over the world, show that what you said was wrong.
Then you're telling me that I'm making stuff up! I'm presenting your own quotes, historical facts, and I'm making stuff up?! You stating that you misspoke on one thing doesn't cancel out me quoting you. You misspoke on an item. I'm quoting you on OTHER items. Items that you DIDN'T "take back" or admit to being wrong on.
Troll: One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.
You told me that I'm posting just because I like to fight with you. That's calling me a troll smart one.
Also, please, you are hard to understand. I had to read your comment five times to make out any of it. I've seen this noted above. If you're eighteen like you've said above, then please use a bit of grammar. I'm not attacking you on it, I'm making a suggestion. People tend to take you a bit more seriously if you speak correctly. Also, it's easier to understand.
If all of this was caused because someone misread what you wrote, then paying a bit of attention to what you're writing would have kept all of this from happening.
You said, right there, what I'm "assuming" on you but you never "claimed."
I am bringing up things that have to do with your point. One of your points, as I quoted you above, was that people that aren't in a group need to stop crying out about it.
"no
they can't
they weren't born with it
they want to have been
they need to realize it doesn't matter
if you don't fit into a group, go somewhere else and don't start drama"
Yes, that quote, AGAIN. You said that in response to someone pointing out that your comment of "feminism is a just cause but there are radicals as to any movement, and some of them would definitely not have a problem if they were just typically effeminate themselves" is flawed.
You said, in a nutshell, that people are born into a group, and they can't change that. And what happens to that group happens, and they can't change that.
I pointed out that this is wrong, and that if people feel they are being wronged, that they are going to speak up. You are telling us that they need to just deal with it. My pointing out the Holocaust, the civil rights movement, hell, the multiple revolutions all over the world, show that what you said was wrong.
Then you're telling me that I'm making stuff up! I'm presenting your own quotes, historical facts, and I'm making stuff up?! You stating that you misspoke on one thing doesn't cancel out me quoting you. You misspoke on an item. I'm quoting you on OTHER items. Items that you DIDN'T "take back" or admit to being wrong on.
Troll: One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.
You told me that I'm posting just because I like to fight with you. That's calling me a troll smart one.
Also, please, you are hard to understand. I had to read your comment five times to make out any of it. I've seen this noted above. If you're eighteen like you've said above, then please use a bit of grammar. I'm not attacking you on it, I'm making a suggestion. People tend to take you a bit more seriously if you speak correctly. Also, it's easier to understand.
If all of this was caused because someone misread what you wrote, then paying a bit of attention to what you're writing would have kept all of this from happening.
yeah, i know, i made a mistake but i was saying if they don't fit in, they shouldn't bother, even if they do fit in, because those people are too close-minded.
not deal with it.
avoid it.
not cause drama about it.
i dunno, it made sense to me.
well then you are a troll cuz come on, you aren't taking my positive feelings into account you're just attacking me on what you perceive as negative.
I'M DRUNK THIS HAS CAUSED ME TO DRINK EXCESSIVELY
and I KNOW. I FAILED. but I'M NOT A BIGOT I JUST FAILED.
I FAIL.
FAIL FAIL FAIL
LEAVE ME ALONE I'M SORRY I'M SURE YOU HAVE FAILED TOO AT SOME POINT IT SUCKS BUT REALLY I JUST WANT TO BE LOVED I WAS JUST RELATING TO MY PAST MAYBE I SHOULD JUST BLOCK IT FROM MY MEMORY SO THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN ANYMORE
what are you talking about? don't you know my standing by now?
innocent people being raped is NOT GOOD
uninnocent people claiming rape against an innocent person is BAD
what is wrong with that???
not deal with it.
avoid it.
not cause drama about it.
i dunno, it made sense to me.
well then you are a troll cuz come on, you aren't taking my positive feelings into account you're just attacking me on what you perceive as negative.
I'M DRUNK THIS HAS CAUSED ME TO DRINK EXCESSIVELY
and I KNOW. I FAILED. but I'M NOT A BIGOT I JUST FAILED.
I FAIL.
FAIL FAIL FAIL
LEAVE ME ALONE I'M SORRY I'M SURE YOU HAVE FAILED TOO AT SOME POINT IT SUCKS BUT REALLY I JUST WANT TO BE LOVED I WAS JUST RELATING TO MY PAST MAYBE I SHOULD JUST BLOCK IT FROM MY MEMORY SO THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN ANYMORE
what are you talking about? don't you know my standing by now?
innocent people being raped is NOT GOOD
uninnocent people claiming rape against an innocent person is BAD
what is wrong with that???
Nothing is wrong with it.
I'm just glad you FINALLY put it in intelligent wording.
Being drunk is not an excuse, by the way. If others shouldn't be bothered, then why has this caused you to drink excessively? And you're 18, you shouldn't be drinking. <sub>(True, I don't know what country you are in. That being said, if you are in a country where the legal drinking age is 18 or under, then disregard that comment.)</sub>
But yes, thank you for saying, flat out. Rather than dancing around with the implied idea that you messed up, or telling people that they are making things up, you came out and said it in plain words.
Thank you for that.
What positive feelings? Your comment was that women ask to be raped. That's not positive. Misunderstood or not. You came on with the intention of proving the artist's words. That's being a troll. Pointing out that you're wrong is not trolling, that's being responsible.
Now that everything's cleared up, go get a cup of coffee, sober up, and have a good evening. Or day, whatever your area might be having. Auf Wiedersehen!
I'm just glad you FINALLY put it in intelligent wording.
Being drunk is not an excuse, by the way. If others shouldn't be bothered, then why has this caused you to drink excessively? And you're 18, you shouldn't be drinking. <sub>(True, I don't know what country you are in. That being said, if you are in a country where the legal drinking age is 18 or under, then disregard that comment.)</sub>
But yes, thank you for saying, flat out. Rather than dancing around with the implied idea that you messed up, or telling people that they are making things up, you came out and said it in plain words.
Thank you for that.
What positive feelings? Your comment was that women ask to be raped. That's not positive. Misunderstood or not. You came on with the intention of proving the artist's words. That's being a troll. Pointing out that you're wrong is not trolling, that's being responsible.
Now that everything's cleared up, go get a cup of coffee, sober up, and have a good evening. Or day, whatever your area might be having. Auf Wiedersehen!
my comment was wrooooooooooooong.
i meant consensual sex=calling it false rape
you are soooooooo trollin if you haven't already got that
still putting words in my keyboard mouth
that i put there
on accident
already apologized for
go troll someone else
might i suggest /b/
i meant consensual sex=calling it false rape
you are soooooooo trollin if you haven't already got that
still putting words in my keyboard mouth
that i put there
on accident
already apologized for
go troll someone else
might i suggest /b/
Dude, now you are trolling. I tried to end it, did you NOT notice that?! I was being nice and telling you that everything was good, that it was done.
Now you're telling me that I'm still trolling?! I'm not a troll dolt, trolls fight just because they can. I'm fighting because you were wrong. You fixed your statement, there's nothing to fight over anymore. I SAID THAT! I tried to end it!
Trolls don't try to end it, they keep going.
I tried to end it.
So shut the fuck up already! I told you I'm done, I told you that it's all been cleared up and over with.
But you keep coming back for more!
You go troll /b/, 4chan fucker. Let them pat your ass there. I tried to end this, you keep coming back for more fighting.
Reply to this and you're more stupid than you first appeared.
Now you're telling me that I'm still trolling?! I'm not a troll dolt, trolls fight just because they can. I'm fighting because you were wrong. You fixed your statement, there's nothing to fight over anymore. I SAID THAT! I tried to end it!
Trolls don't try to end it, they keep going.
I tried to end it.
So shut the fuck up already! I told you I'm done, I told you that it's all been cleared up and over with.
But you keep coming back for more!
You go troll /b/, 4chan fucker. Let them pat your ass there. I tried to end this, you keep coming back for more fighting.
Reply to this and you're more stupid than you first appeared.
.................................................
now you are baiting me.
just take your shit back and give me money.
like $400
yeah.
DO IT CUZ YOU DESERVE IT
you are ULTIMATING
and FAILING
AND LAME
that 400 better be on my desk by tomorrow morning, johnson. :|
now you are baiting me.
just take your shit back and give me money.
like $400
yeah.
DO IT CUZ YOU DESERVE IT
you are ULTIMATING
and FAILING
AND LAME
that 400 better be on my desk by tomorrow morning, johnson. :|
Yeah, screw me wanting to vote or be able to support my husband while he can't work, I SHOULD GO SOMEWHERE ELSE
Listen. You're probably a good person. You no doubt have lots of wonderful friends and are skilled in many different ways. But you're showing some rather offensively severe naivete here, and continue to repeat yourself over and over again isn't Speaking The Truth, it's implying you don't want to hear what others are saying.
Maybe try and gain some perspective? It won't hurt, promise!
Listen. You're probably a good person. You no doubt have lots of wonderful friends and are skilled in many different ways. But you're showing some rather offensively severe naivete here, and continue to repeat yourself over and over again isn't Speaking The Truth, it's implying you don't want to hear what others are saying.
Maybe try and gain some perspective? It won't hurt, promise!
uh yeah sorry
i didn't mean to cause such a problem
i think everyone should be treated equal i just think those who believe they are unequal are mentally unfit i guess and i am frustrated that society has made them feel that way and i guess i take it out on them
so i should stop that because i realize now that that is misguided
i didn't mean to cause such a problem
i think everyone should be treated equal i just think those who believe they are unequal are mentally unfit i guess and i am frustrated that society has made them feel that way and i guess i take it out on them
so i should stop that because i realize now that that is misguided
I went to college in the UW Madison, and in front of the University Library there is this concrete plaza specifically designed for open-air performances and protesting and whatever. They even have these stairs that go to nowhere so you can climb ten feet up in the air and be ignored from up there.
Anyways when the hippies, potheads and Ron Paul supporters are off doing something else, the "Jesus Jumpers" show up. I know that's not their real name, but they yell so loud they start jumping up and down so the name fits.
Anyways one of them was spouting all this bullshit and I was trying to ignore them and get my Spicy Chicken from Amazin' Asian (seriously, their food is great) when this hot chick walked by in a short skirt and so on. The crazy Christian lady immediately began yelling at the girl and saying that the way she was dressing was inviting rape and that if any guy raped her it was her fault for dressing that way.
As I later found out in the papers, that girl had been raped earlier that week at a party.
I have seen a lot of street fights, but this is the only one of the more vicious ones I've ever seen. Kicking, screaming biting, nails in the eyes, I had no idea that a college girl could fight like that. It took two cops to pry her off, and even then they were having trouble. The Christian lady had to be driven to the hospital.
It was fucking beautiful.
Anyways when the hippies, potheads and Ron Paul supporters are off doing something else, the "Jesus Jumpers" show up. I know that's not their real name, but they yell so loud they start jumping up and down so the name fits.
Anyways one of them was spouting all this bullshit and I was trying to ignore them and get my Spicy Chicken from Amazin' Asian (seriously, their food is great) when this hot chick walked by in a short skirt and so on. The crazy Christian lady immediately began yelling at the girl and saying that the way she was dressing was inviting rape and that if any guy raped her it was her fault for dressing that way.
As I later found out in the papers, that girl had been raped earlier that week at a party.
I have seen a lot of street fights, but this is the only one of the more vicious ones I've ever seen. Kicking, screaming biting, nails in the eyes, I had no idea that a college girl could fight like that. It took two cops to pry her off, and even then they were having trouble. The Christian lady had to be driven to the hospital.
It was fucking beautiful.
Hey Phisk you seem like a pretty awesome dude so I made you a picture I hope you like it
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In Anglo-Saxon England, if you raped a woman you had to pay a fine to her father or her husband or her brother, depending on whether she was married or unmarried, and whether her father was alive.
You paid the fine because you had violated another man's property or spoiled the goods if she was unmarried. If she had no male guardian, then there was no one to pay a fine to...
That's rape as a weapon. A weapon to force women to live under patriarchal authority. Likewise, prison rape of the threat thereof is a weapon and a threat, which can be used to keep people in order. :/
You paid the fine because you had violated another man's property or spoiled the goods if she was unmarried. If she had no male guardian, then there was no one to pay a fine to...
That's rape as a weapon. A weapon to force women to live under patriarchal authority. Likewise, prison rape of the threat thereof is a weapon and a threat, which can be used to keep people in order. :/
americans (well, not just americans, a lot of societies in general) have this absurd fetishization (NOT A WORD LOL) for revenge i just don't understand, well i UNDERSTAND where the appeal itself comes from psychologically but when executed it just honestly has no place in ethics
i mean, think of every other movie hollywood puts out every year
*GRAVELLY ACTION STAR VOICE* "HURRRGH YOU KILLED MY FAMILY SO NOW I'M GONNA KILL YOOOUUU"
and this kind of thing is glorified, and it permeates in society, everyone wants to be the anti-hero, everyone wants to be the ~lawbringer~, but in the end answering rape with rape didn't end rape, it made more rape.
answering murder with murder only begets more murder. look at nations presided over by a deranged warlord. eye for an eye doesn't work.
i mean, think of every other movie hollywood puts out every year
*GRAVELLY ACTION STAR VOICE* "HURRRGH YOU KILLED MY FAMILY SO NOW I'M GONNA KILL YOOOUUU"
and this kind of thing is glorified, and it permeates in society, everyone wants to be the anti-hero, everyone wants to be the ~lawbringer~, but in the end answering rape with rape didn't end rape, it made more rape.
answering murder with murder only begets more murder. look at nations presided over by a deranged warlord. eye for an eye doesn't work.
Man I wish I could give that girl a high five or something. That is sweet justice right there.
Besides that fuckhead christian lady wasnt christian....true christians done scold, they enlighten and are supposed to be nonviolent....ANYWAY rape isnt even about sex most of the time its a control thing...fuck...
Besides that fuckhead christian lady wasnt christian....true christians done scold, they enlighten and are supposed to be nonviolent....ANYWAY rape isnt even about sex most of the time its a control thing...fuck...
I hope the poor girl didnt get arrested for attacking that woman. In some states the term is called "domestic rage" or something like that and its completely legal. In some cases if you catch your spouse cheating on you and you kill him/her and/or the cheatee then you get off scott free. lol. serves them right! XD
"I hope the poor girl didnt get arrested for attacking that woman. In some states the term is called "domestic rage" or something like that and its completely legal. In some cases if you catch your spouse cheating on you and you kill him/her and/or the cheatee then you get off scott free. lol. serves them right! XD"
Two wrongs always makes a right!
You are a dumb fucking whore shut the fuck up and get out you shut-in mumbler fuck
Two wrongs always makes a right!
You are a dumb fucking whore shut the fuck up and get out you shut-in mumbler fuck
I will admit one thing: The fact that in our first date, my husband didn't get pissed at me for beating him in games had me in awe.
But I feel you on that one. Every time I hear that it makes me almost want to find a way to punch through the internet :/ Girl gamers like that make me rage so hard. Your female. You can play games. Good for you. Now let the rest of us game in peace you stupid attention whore.
But I feel you on that one. Every time I hear that it makes me almost want to find a way to punch through the internet :/ Girl gamers like that make me rage so hard. Your female. You can play games. Good for you. Now let the rest of us game in peace you stupid attention whore.
Wow, I read the whole thing and it got me thinking, sometimes, no matter how much we may believe these things, i.e. feminism, equality, we can still act a little bigoted. Example: myself, who can (1) act slightly homophic, a possible inward observation towards my unknown orientation, and (2) act slightly racist, telling jokes that can be VERY offensive.
Not a misogynist, though, as I tend to harbor many feminist views fostered by my good old mum, who prefers to be called an equalist, not a feminist.
Not a misogynist, though, as I tend to harbor many feminist views fostered by my good old mum, who prefers to be called an equalist, not a feminist.
I must admit (and I apologize if this is not what you were going for but your comment reminded me of it) that I dislike the 'Everyone's a little bit racist!' argument. That's not solving the problem, it's putting a bandaid on it and saying 'OH WELL NO NEED TO CHANGE!'. Accepting that we all have things we can improve upon and using the idea to look into ourselves is one thing, but using it as an excuse to shrug off racism is another.
THIS. ok, now that we've gotten past "everyone's a little bit racist!", can we actually move towards FIXING that problem?
i'm reminded of my friend who told me how her white friend did some "asian eyes" and she thought it was funny and i said, "that's not funny. that's just racist." she then told me, "yeah, whatever, that's the point," and i just had to hold back trying to smack her.
i'm reminded of my friend who told me how her white friend did some "asian eyes" and she thought it was funny and i said, "that's not funny. that's just racist." she then told me, "yeah, whatever, that's the point," and i just had to hold back trying to smack her.
I wasn't going for that, no matter how true it is. I was simply making an observation that it's good to believe in something, but it's better to try and make an example of it, and that no matter how righteous we try to be, we still can have contrary flaws that we need to fix. My chaotic sexual confusion could be an possible explanation for the weird out of place feelings I have hanging out with my non-straight, even my straight friends.
Everybody thinks "oh, of course I'm not sexist/racist/etc., so I don't say or do sexist/racist things," but that's missing the point. Many of us do things that are sexist/racist in the same way that we do stupid things---because we're lazy, or feeling angry, or we don't know any better. After all, we live in a whole *culture* that is sexist and racist, so it can be quite an effort to reject that bigotry and not perpetuate it ourselves.
That's why it was such EPIC FAIL in the Gates/Crowley incident when the cop said "I'm not a racist" (and so would not do a racist thing, like arrest Gates because he was Black). That's like saying, "I did not make a stupid mistake, because I am not a stupid person."
As for "feminist" vs. "equalist" (or "humanist")...
http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.....-exclusionary/
That's why it was such EPIC FAIL in the Gates/Crowley incident when the cop said "I'm not a racist" (and so would not do a racist thing, like arrest Gates because he was Black). That's like saying, "I did not make a stupid mistake, because I am not a stupid person."
As for "feminist" vs. "equalist" (or "humanist")...
http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.....-exclusionary/
See now, the problem with number 3, is that unfortunately there are some feminists like that, and, generally speaking they are usually the more vocal ones, so the general perception is that they are all like that.
Kind of like that furry chick who went on TV and said furries all have some sort of inner animal spirt. It may not be true; but perception being what it is...
As for the other two, not going to touch those. >_>
Kind of like that furry chick who went on TV and said furries all have some sort of inner animal spirt. It may not be true; but perception being what it is...
As for the other two, not going to touch those. >_>
The public perception of any group is going to be defined by it's more vocal members. When you hear about th Catholic Church, for instance, you don't hear about the ministries and charity work they've done around the world. You get late-night comedians making jokes about priests having sex with boys.
Your awkward stuttering is irrelevant, please elaborate on this for me:
"Gender has little to do with political correctness where I'm from. Of course if I needed to say say somebody hated women. I could perhaps say, you hate women?"
What exactly are you talking about here, your English is very jumbled and difficult to understand.
"Gender has little to do with political correctness where I'm from. Of course if I needed to say say somebody hated women. I could perhaps say, you hate women?"
What exactly are you talking about here, your English is very jumbled and difficult to understand.
No. What I'm saying is bullshit is my use of the word "nigger". It's not something I chose after months of study and research, it's just a stupid thing I picked up from my friends. I don't take that seriously, and it's amusing that people are actually looking down on me for it and treating me like I hate black people because they're just seeing that WORD and drawing their own conclusions.
I'm attempting to defend myself because I'm being misunderstood, which is more serious to me because I don't want retarded judgments passed on me for my own mis-wording and/or other people's misreading.
I get the vibe that you're just trying to corner me and you don't actually care to debate on the same level with me or anyone else here at all.
I'm attempting to defend myself because I'm being misunderstood, which is more serious to me because I don't want retarded judgments passed on me for my own mis-wording and/or other people's misreading.
I get the vibe that you're just trying to corner me and you don't actually care to debate on the same level with me or anyone else here at all.
Yes. It's fairly easy as a white person to be able not to take a word with racist connotations seriously!
I think you're being understood just fine. You simply don't like the fact your opinions are being challenged.
I get the vibe that you're just trying to corner me and you don't actually care to debate on the same level with me or anyone else here at all.
That's because I don't see that there should be a debate over the fact the guy was being a sexist asshole. Plain and simple.
I think you're being understood just fine. You simply don't like the fact your opinions are being challenged.
I get the vibe that you're just trying to corner me and you don't actually care to debate on the same level with me or anyone else here at all.
That's because I don't see that there should be a debate over the fact the guy was being a sexist asshole. Plain and simple.
"In critical race theory, white privilege is a set of advantages that are believed (and understood) to be enjoyed by white people beyond those commonly experienced by non-white people in the same social, political, and economic spaces (nation, community, workplace, income, etc.). Theorists differentiate it from racism or prejudice because, they say, a person who may benefit from white privilege is not necessarily racist or prejudiced and may be unaware of having any privileges reserved only for whites."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege
I am saying one of your privileges as a white person is to never know the experience of being called 'nigger' or how hurtful it can be. I don't approve of slang such as 'Cracker' either, before you mention it. Just because someone uses 'Cracker' does not make it okay to throw around the word 'nigger'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege
I am saying one of your privileges as a white person is to never know the experience of being called 'nigger' or how hurtful it can be. I don't approve of slang such as 'Cracker' either, before you mention it. Just because someone uses 'Cracker' does not make it okay to throw around the word 'nigger'.
I don't use it around black people of whom I don't know for that reason. I don't want to offend them even more than I don't want my ass kicked. I don't go in the store and shout "NIGGERS LOL" without consideration for the people who could hear it and feel offended/hurt/angry from it.
For me personally and the people I know, words are words, and they're not offensive unless used in offensive context.
For me personally and the people I know, words are words, and they're not offensive unless used in offensive context.
by kind of dumb i mean really retarded
a parade of chucking nerd misogynist mumblefucks stuttering out words
i mean whatever, the op was "joking" and we could get into the semantics of that all day
but my favorite part was like HALF THE COMMENTS HE GOT that just snowballed into spergville usa
a parade of chucking nerd misogynist mumblefucks stuttering out words
i mean whatever, the op was "joking" and we could get into the semantics of that all day
but my favorite part was like HALF THE COMMENTS HE GOT that just snowballed into spergville usa
I never understood why people would say something like "GAAAAWD I HATE FEMINISTS!"
I can agree that some feminists take it from "gender equality" to "women are better," but feminism itself is calling for gender equality, so I always hear it as
"GAAAAWD I HATE GENDER EQUALITY"
and then I get sad. ._.
I can agree that some feminists take it from "gender equality" to "women are better," but feminism itself is calling for gender equality, so I always hear it as
"GAAAAWD I HATE GENDER EQUALITY"
and then I get sad. ._.
re: the journal that probably inspired this to begin with:
Is it wrong to acknowledge a stereotype and make fun of those who fall under that stereotype, thus making their own race/gender/whatever look bad?
Taking the time to ask him calmly if it were directed at all women or just those who fall under the stereotype and hearing his response: yeah, I agree with him. Women who are like that are worthy of making jokes about, whether funny or not, people have the right to vent in their journals, imo.
Is it wrong to acknowledge a stereotype and make fun of those who fall under that stereotype, thus making their own race/gender/whatever look bad?
Taking the time to ask him calmly if it were directed at all women or just those who fall under the stereotype and hearing his response: yeah, I agree with him. Women who are like that are worthy of making jokes about, whether funny or not, people have the right to vent in their journals, imo.
He was attempting to get out of doing his commissions by pissing people off instead of doing the polite thing and noting each commissioner separately. He also has a history of posting journals with topics intended to 'get a rise' out of people.
There was no 'this is a joke' note on the original post. There was no indication that what he said was directed only at women who did the things implied. The original statement was directed quite clearly at all women.
There was no 'this is a joke' note on the original post. There was no indication that what he said was directed only at women who did the things implied. The original statement was directed quite clearly at all women.
Seems to me he wasn't even serious about the commissions thing, if he's really as inclined to say stuff without thinking as I think he is.
I know a person in real-life who acts similar to him, he's bipolar and says things without thinking, often not considering how his words will come across to anyone listening. He genuinely says fucked up shit without meaning to half the time, so I've grown accustomed to giving people the benefit of the doubt/letting them explain themselves even when it seems apparent that what they're saying is precisely what they mean.
Anyway, even if he was serious, perhaps he was just venting a lot of strong anger and didn't actually mean it. It's not an excuse, but it pays not to take everything people say on the internet so literally and seriously.
I know a person in real-life who acts similar to him, he's bipolar and says things without thinking, often not considering how his words will come across to anyone listening. He genuinely says fucked up shit without meaning to half the time, so I've grown accustomed to giving people the benefit of the doubt/letting them explain themselves even when it seems apparent that what they're saying is precisely what they mean.
Anyway, even if he was serious, perhaps he was just venting a lot of strong anger and didn't actually mean it. It's not an excuse, but it pays not to take everything people say on the internet so literally and seriously.
When you say something stupid, you'd better be ready to man up to the consequences. He had multiple chances to clear things up, and yet even in his newer post he continues to bask in the compliments of people who really do believe the issues he stated. I do not see real regret in his words. Just the 'I'm sorry I was CAUGHT' variety of apologizing.
I feel no remorse for taking rampant, hateful sexism 'seriously'. I'm funny that way.
I feel no remorse for taking rampant, hateful sexism 'seriously'. I'm funny that way.
I agreed with... ughh god, are you even trying to see what I'm saying?
Obviously he worded shit wrong, IF he were being honest when he said it wasn't directed at all women. If he WEREN'T lying about that, I could see his point and could understand why he'd be venting about that TYPE of woman. That doesn't change the fact that he obviously has the personality/sense of humor of a 12 year old.
Obviously he worded shit wrong, IF he were being honest when he said it wasn't directed at all women. If he WEREN'T lying about that, I could see his point and could understand why he'd be venting about that TYPE of woman. That doesn't change the fact that he obviously has the personality/sense of humor of a 12 year old.
Obviously he worded shit wrong, IF he were being honest when he said it wasn't directed at all women. If he WEREN'T lying about that, I could see his point and could understand why he'd be venting about that TYPE of woman. That doesn't change the fact that he obviously has the personality/sense of humor of a 12 year old.
All I see you saying here is 'If he were doing something totally opposite of what he actually was doing I'd agree with him'. But he WASN'T. So why are you arguing with me?
All I see you saying here is 'If he were doing something totally opposite of what he actually was doing I'd agree with him'. But he WASN'T. So why are you arguing with me?
I'm trying to explain my own opinions on what people should be allowed to vent about without being treated like a sexist pig
... but he WAS being a sexist pig. If you're being a sexist pig, I'm going to call you one. Regardless of whether you feel you're being one or not.
... but he WAS being a sexist pig. If you're being a sexist pig, I'm going to call you one. Regardless of whether you feel you're being one or not.
"I agree with what he was trying to say/pretending to try to say."
wait. what? what point? that women are irrational and hormones dictate their judgement? was there some enlightened hidden irony I'm missing here?
I can't really see what kind of "point" the op was trying to make aside from rile people up. Not attacking you here, just asking.
wait. what? what point? that women are irrational and hormones dictate their judgement? was there some enlightened hidden irony I'm missing here?
I can't really see what kind of "point" the op was trying to make aside from rile people up. Not attacking you here, just asking.
I'm trying to say that I agree bitches are bitches when they DO live up to that stereotype of being bitches. I had asked him if he had meant to direct that journal to ALL women or if he was actually just trying to say he hated women who lived up to their bitchy/psychotic stereotypes. Because it does happen that people act on impulse and vent in journals about something and leave out details like that. He said he did only mean that he hated the stereotypical type of women, but whether he's telling the truth or not isn't something I think anyone can say for sure, thus why I added "pretending to try to say."
I don't know how to explain it any better/clearer than that. :c
I don't know how to explain it any better/clearer than that. :c
He very clearly attacked all women, it's only logical that people who don't know him will assume this means he's making a violently misogynist FUCK YOU CUNT rant against anything born without a Y chromosome.
This notion of "stereotypes" you keep throwing around is very very detrimental and inhibiting in ways I will PM you back with shortly.
By shortly I mean probably in a lil while because I keep going between this thread and folding my laundry, hah
This notion of "stereotypes" you keep throwing around is very very detrimental and inhibiting in ways I will PM you back with shortly.
By shortly I mean probably in a lil while because I keep going between this thread and folding my laundry, hah
It's why I get mad when a girl is mad at her scum bag boyfriend and says "ugh, men are all filth!" ouch much :C
To be honest, I think women are above men now, they can always play the "sexism" card if denied a job, and there are hundreds of "women only clubs" despite the reasons for doing this, it's still separation, and isn't helping anything :c As for racism, there's a black only club in a town near me, could you imagine the up roar if there was a white only club?
To be honest, I think women are above men now, they can always play the "sexism" card if denied a job, and there are hundreds of "women only clubs" despite the reasons for doing this, it's still separation, and isn't helping anything :c As for racism, there's a black only club in a town near me, could you imagine the up roar if there was a white only club?
To be honest, I think women are above men now, they can always play the "sexism" card
There is no sexism card. Unless my copy was lost in the mail. Saying such a thing implies you are in a position to determine if something was done out of sexism or not.
As for racism, there's a black only club in a town near me, could you imagine the up roar if there was a white only club?
Do you also believe 'White pride!' should be an acceptable term?
There is no sexism card. Unless my copy was lost in the mail. Saying such a thing implies you are in a position to determine if something was done out of sexism or not.
As for racism, there's a black only club in a town near me, could you imagine the up roar if there was a white only club?
Do you also believe 'White pride!' should be an acceptable term?
I think you've got me wrong here.
A good example was when my friend applied for a job, she wanted to work in construction, and was declined, she complained to the company the next day saying she thinks they declined her simply because they didn't think a woman was suited to construction work. The employer, mind, never said that, she just thought that's what he meant. Soon after she got the job. I'm not saying there's a literal card, but it's such touchy subject (along with racism, especially in the UK) that a lot of people don't want the hassle.
How does "white pride" have anything to do with black only clubs? I'm talking about separation here. Not allowing certain people into a club based on skin colour is racist, regardless of whether they're white or black.
I'm agreeing with you on the whole, I'm just saying how a few things seem to be getting a little out of hand.
A good example was when my friend applied for a job, she wanted to work in construction, and was declined, she complained to the company the next day saying she thinks they declined her simply because they didn't think a woman was suited to construction work. The employer, mind, never said that, she just thought that's what he meant. Soon after she got the job. I'm not saying there's a literal card, but it's such touchy subject (along with racism, especially in the UK) that a lot of people don't want the hassle.
How does "white pride" have anything to do with black only clubs? I'm talking about separation here. Not allowing certain people into a club based on skin colour is racist, regardless of whether they're white or black.
I'm agreeing with you on the whole, I'm just saying how a few things seem to be getting a little out of hand.
The employer, mind, never said that, she just thought that's what he meant
Has it occurred to you that she possibly came to this conclusion because she has been turned down for something for that reason before? When you live your life with others judging you for your differences, you have every right to be a little paranoid.
How does "white pride" have anything to do with black only clubs? I'm talking about separation here. Not allowing certain people into a club based on skin colour is racist, regardless of whether they're white or black.
You said 'As for racism, there's a black only club in a town near me, could you imagine the up roar if there was a white only club?'. This is incredibly similar to the argument that people can talk about 'Black pride!' but if someone talked about 'White pride!' they'd be labeled a racist.
Has it occurred to you that she possibly came to this conclusion because she has been turned down for something for that reason before? When you live your life with others judging you for your differences, you have every right to be a little paranoid.
How does "white pride" have anything to do with black only clubs? I'm talking about separation here. Not allowing certain people into a club based on skin colour is racist, regardless of whether they're white or black.
You said 'As for racism, there's a black only club in a town near me, could you imagine the up roar if there was a white only club?'. This is incredibly similar to the argument that people can talk about 'Black pride!' but if someone talked about 'White pride!' they'd be labeled a racist.
But that's completely unfair D:
I've never done or said anything racist to anyone, I have good friends with Indian, African, American and Scandinavian decent and we've never fallen out because of our beleifs or skin colours. And it's clear you're all about equality too. Are you saying we should really be subjected to white discrimination from other ethnicities purely because of a select few of modern day misfits who can't get along with anyone who's not born in England or America?, or because of our ancestors who were involved in the slave trade, that we had no control over because we weren't even BORN then?
I've never done or said anything racist to anyone, I have good friends with Indian, African, American and Scandinavian decent and we've never fallen out because of our beleifs or skin colours. And it's clear you're all about equality too. Are you saying we should really be subjected to white discrimination from other ethnicities purely because of a select few of modern day misfits who can't get along with anyone who's not born in England or America?, or because of our ancestors who were involved in the slave trade, that we had no control over because we weren't even BORN then?
I have good friends with Indian, African, American and Scandinavian decent and we've never fallen out because of our beleifs or skin colours
http://blackwomanxperience.wordpres.....black-friends/
http://blackwomanxperience.wordpres.....black-friends/
Ok, now you're just being immature :/
I am not a racist in any sense of the word, and I find it some what un-believable and hurtful that you can't seem to see this. Do you think you're the only politically correct person in the world?
You're right that having friends from other countries means nothing, but I get along with them fine, I respect their beleifs and life styles and I don't just have them to prove to people I'm not racist. Our friendship was founded, just like any friendship, on what we liked doing with our free time and what else we had in common.
I am not a racist in any sense of the word, and I find it some what un-believable and hurtful that you can't seem to see this. Do you think you're the only politically correct person in the world?
You're right that having friends from other countries means nothing, but I get along with them fine, I respect their beleifs and life styles and I don't just have them to prove to people I'm not racist. Our friendship was founded, just like any friendship, on what we liked doing with our free time and what else we had in common.
To be honest, I think women are above men now
man, i can't degrade women anymore, that means i'm totally oppressed and they just keep whining about wanting more "rights"
as for "women's/blacks' clubs", learn about safe spaces. life right now is practically a "whites'/men's only" club
man, i can't degrade women anymore, that means i'm totally oppressed and they just keep whining about wanting more "rights"
as for "women's/blacks' clubs", learn about safe spaces. life right now is practically a "whites'/men's only" club
"I think women are above men now"
"I think women are above men now"
"I think women are above men now"
"I think women are above men now"
"I think women are above men now"
"I think women are above men now"
"I think women are above men now"
"I think women are above men now"
"I think women are above men now"
sigh.
Take a sociology 101 class.
"I think women are above men now"
"I think women are above men now"
"I think women are above men now"
"I think women are above men now"
"I think women are above men now"
"I think women are above men now"
"I think women are above men now"
"I think women are above men now"
sigh.
Take a sociology 101 class.
I loled at the slant eye thing. I haven't heard that happening since I was like 5. Growing up where I did gave me the unique experience of being white and being a minority and also distinguishing people of different Asian descent XP. Really I try not to judge people by anything outside of how they act around me and treat me. Unfortunately there is always gonna be racism, sexism, and general misunderstanding based on someone being wronged by someone else and a collection of assholes who don't understand what their actions are doing to the world as a whole.
Its absolutely mind-numbing that the world is as twisted as it is and the pure fact that a huge majority of people either don't see it or just don't "wish" to see it.
A topic like this is the kind I like because it can go around the table for hours for an interesting discussion. Racism will be around for as long as there is at least one person that sees people as anything other then just people. Feminism will be around as long as there is someone to see some sort of difference between the equality of right amongst the genders.
Ironically, feminism has become this weird witch-burning label for women that like to take about their frustrations on men for.. whatever reason. I actually have had many situations where I was randomly hollered and yelled at about being a pig, ignorant, etc... weird part was.. I didn't even know them. I was verbally battered with all sorts of baseless accusations from a complete stranger... but I listed and it seemed to help. I help everyone without hesitation as long as it is an obviously harmless kindness.
Racism is such a bizarre thing since I live in the state of Louisiana and its incredibly mixed everywhere. You have people from all sorts of different origins and cultures that come for business, sightseeing, and actually living here. I'm part of the original spirit of "Hospitality" of the south and treat everyone no worse or better then the last. If you'd take me and all my friends and people I know in a room we'd all get along (unless someone starts some trouble for no reason.. God.. the retardation of it all. XD)
The number one fuel for all of these is simply ignorance and arrogance taught and learned over time by people who don't know any better. A good example was our recent election of our president. To me it was no big deal when the election happened, but I was startled at the shear number of people that actually voted that never voted before... HOWEVER I was appalled and the lack of knowledge that they were basing their vote on. Then again, not everyone had that simple-minded nature about it. The scariest thing is if anything happens to him right now.. there will be a racial war regardless of who did it. Its just sicking that human life has less and less value these days.
We need to get rid of double standards too. No one-sided laws or treatment of the same situation. For instance, if a man hits a woman or is accused of doing it.. he'll have a harder time for it then if a woman hits a man. There is no justification for this permissibility. If there is to be equality then it shouldn't happen like that. I understand its for a woman's protection, but hell.. why should a woman get more slack when a guy doesn't? On the other foot... its ridiculous that those punk on varsity basketball teams or rich kids get away with doing horrible things to women that never deserved anything more that just some tender love and equal treatment.
Its all these tiny little details that drive me nuts. Makes me dislike the way society is and makes me want to influence a chance for the better awareness of humankind. Down with labels and up with a TRUE EQUALITY for ALL.. within a LOGICAL reasoning.
*gets a glass of water for his keyboarding throat* Okay... I'm done and I apologize technicolor_pie for eating a section of you comment page with the epic size of this... XD
A topic like this is the kind I like because it can go around the table for hours for an interesting discussion. Racism will be around for as long as there is at least one person that sees people as anything other then just people. Feminism will be around as long as there is someone to see some sort of difference between the equality of right amongst the genders.
Ironically, feminism has become this weird witch-burning label for women that like to take about their frustrations on men for.. whatever reason. I actually have had many situations where I was randomly hollered and yelled at about being a pig, ignorant, etc... weird part was.. I didn't even know them. I was verbally battered with all sorts of baseless accusations from a complete stranger... but I listed and it seemed to help. I help everyone without hesitation as long as it is an obviously harmless kindness.
Racism is such a bizarre thing since I live in the state of Louisiana and its incredibly mixed everywhere. You have people from all sorts of different origins and cultures that come for business, sightseeing, and actually living here. I'm part of the original spirit of "Hospitality" of the south and treat everyone no worse or better then the last. If you'd take me and all my friends and people I know in a room we'd all get along (unless someone starts some trouble for no reason.. God.. the retardation of it all. XD)
The number one fuel for all of these is simply ignorance and arrogance taught and learned over time by people who don't know any better. A good example was our recent election of our president. To me it was no big deal when the election happened, but I was startled at the shear number of people that actually voted that never voted before... HOWEVER I was appalled and the lack of knowledge that they were basing their vote on. Then again, not everyone had that simple-minded nature about it. The scariest thing is if anything happens to him right now.. there will be a racial war regardless of who did it. Its just sicking that human life has less and less value these days.
We need to get rid of double standards too. No one-sided laws or treatment of the same situation. For instance, if a man hits a woman or is accused of doing it.. he'll have a harder time for it then if a woman hits a man. There is no justification for this permissibility. If there is to be equality then it shouldn't happen like that. I understand its for a woman's protection, but hell.. why should a woman get more slack when a guy doesn't? On the other foot... its ridiculous that those punk on varsity basketball teams or rich kids get away with doing horrible things to women that never deserved anything more that just some tender love and equal treatment.
Its all these tiny little details that drive me nuts. Makes me dislike the way society is and makes me want to influence a chance for the better awareness of humankind. Down with labels and up with a TRUE EQUALITY for ALL.. within a LOGICAL reasoning.
*gets a glass of water for his keyboarding throat* Okay... I'm done and I apologize technicolor_pie for eating a section of you comment page with the epic size of this... XD
Most of my opinions are not set in stone, because I don't think that hard about these issues. Guess that makes me a shitty person, but I do focus on other equally important issues. I'm sure there are some important issues in life that you don't spend a lot of time researching/focusing on.
So yeah, like I told someone else in this thread privately, I'm willing to listen to your opinions if you want to TALK WITH me reasonably, without being condescending for not having your identical values/beliefs/whatever. If you'd like to talk without making it into such a heated and angry debate, feel free to note me and I'd happily consider your thoughts and morals. I presume the point of this submission was to talk with people like adults about a topic that you feel super strongly about?
So yeah, like I told someone else in this thread privately, I'm willing to listen to your opinions if you want to TALK WITH me reasonably, without being condescending for not having your identical values/beliefs/whatever. If you'd like to talk without making it into such a heated and angry debate, feel free to note me and I'd happily consider your thoughts and morals. I presume the point of this submission was to talk with people like adults about a topic that you feel super strongly about?
Understandable, especially considering all the stress that must be mounting from all the other comments as well. Some other time when things are chill, perhaps? It'd be cool if I could still comment your art and such without worrying about a grudge against me that will never be resolved just because we have different morals.
holy shit
First off, a huge THANK YOU for this comic, it's so exasperating having to hear idiots unironically parroting this bullshit all the goddamn time.
But looking through the comments, not I'm just getting extremely depressed. I've lost a lot of respect for people I used to be very fond of. Its bad enough to deal with that kind of crap from random immature assholes, but when it comes from someone you really like, or a friend/family member....ugh. :(
First off, a huge THANK YOU for this comic, it's so exasperating having to hear idiots unironically parroting this bullshit all the goddamn time.
But looking through the comments, not I'm just getting extremely depressed. I've lost a lot of respect for people I used to be very fond of. Its bad enough to deal with that kind of crap from random immature assholes, but when it comes from someone you really like, or a friend/family member....ugh. :(
All the guys at work know he's actually a man. It's fairly obvious.
The idea that children should always go with their mother regardless of the financial and emotional circumstances is an issue that needs to be more properly addressed in this country, I agree. You'll note I stated there are certainly cases where men do receive the short end of the stick, but I feel women are still more discriminated against as we still live in a male-dominated society. In many ways that's also an indication of it: Mothers do the mothering, fathers do the work!
The idea that children should always go with their mother regardless of the financial and emotional circumstances is an issue that needs to be more properly addressed in this country, I agree. You'll note I stated there are certainly cases where men do receive the short end of the stick, but I feel women are still more discriminated against as we still live in a male-dominated society. In many ways that's also an indication of it: Mothers do the mothering, fathers do the work!
And that's discrimination? My mother could work if she wanted to, instead she stays home to manage the house. My father has to support a family of six, I think that's rather unfair to him. The only remaining problem I can think of is how women are sometimes paid less than men for the same job, and that is unacceptable. One might argue that women in general are treated in an inferior manner compared to men, but that seems like paranoia to me. It can't be helped that in general men are stronger and more dominant than women, so it's unlikely that the latter will ever be completely satisfied.
Take a look at court cases when it comes to custody battles, how easily it is to "fake rape" Having had friends being accused of this.
Many laws are in favor of the woman, all one has to do is "cry" rape and someones life can be ruined. If it wasn't for an airtight alibi (that had to be confirmed in court, ON VIDEO) otherwise he would've been hung.
I'm afraid to marry anyone nowadays. I love women and all, but after so many troubles thanks to court cases near here, how badly someone can get penalized for being male, and being sued by women around this area.. it's just to much x_x
While woman may be (Unequal) In the public view, they are also (Unequal) in the courts, to be ABOVE men there.
Many laws are in favor of the woman, all one has to do is "cry" rape and someones life can be ruined. If it wasn't for an airtight alibi (that had to be confirmed in court, ON VIDEO) otherwise he would've been hung.
I'm afraid to marry anyone nowadays. I love women and all, but after so many troubles thanks to court cases near here, how badly someone can get penalized for being male, and being sued by women around this area.. it's just to much x_x
While woman may be (Unequal) In the public view, they are also (Unequal) in the courts, to be ABOVE men there.
I read like halfway, although most seemed to drum up the same similar point's and kept going till I felt my eyes beginning to grow sore. When I start seeing black as partially technicolor that's when I usually go post and generally stop reading till responded to.
Did I miss a point? Sorry if I did.
Did I miss a point? Sorry if I did.
Annnd you ignore nearly the entire message to focus on one subpoint.. Okay, not a good way to make a statement at all, to ignore all points and just target one thing, but fine, I'll be more specific without the "fake rape"
What I'm saying is, everyone does decry such things as public scrutiny (which is the issue at hand) However many feminists seem to neglect is that they are getting more and more laws passed in their favor, and they seem to want more and more rights then just such things. What I'm still saying is generally that at the current point and time, many females are Favored in the court system, if one feels unjustly against (Whether it being true or otherwise) They could easily go straight to court, where any judge will in an attempt to not look anti-feminist, will allow the court to go through on the problem and allow them to sue, often with less then partial evidence, sometimes a lack thereof.
Here in the county of Florida, females often are going to court over the most trivial or serious of things and getting people into trouble, at the current point and time there are several court cases that have been compared side by side, and the mens are thrown out in its entirety, or if a male was to press a lawsuit against a female, it would generally be thrown out, as the females around here seem to gain a rather higher amount of cases taken to civil court, or higher criminal courts, and all without evidence at times!
What I'm saying is, everyone does decry such things as public scrutiny (which is the issue at hand) However many feminists seem to neglect is that they are getting more and more laws passed in their favor, and they seem to want more and more rights then just such things. What I'm still saying is generally that at the current point and time, many females are Favored in the court system, if one feels unjustly against (Whether it being true or otherwise) They could easily go straight to court, where any judge will in an attempt to not look anti-feminist, will allow the court to go through on the problem and allow them to sue, often with less then partial evidence, sometimes a lack thereof.
Here in the county of Florida, females often are going to court over the most trivial or serious of things and getting people into trouble, at the current point and time there are several court cases that have been compared side by side, and the mens are thrown out in its entirety, or if a male was to press a lawsuit against a female, it would generally be thrown out, as the females around here seem to gain a rather higher amount of cases taken to civil court, or higher criminal courts, and all without evidence at times!
"Take a look at court cases when it comes to custody battles, how easily it is to "fake rape" Having had friends being accused of this.
Many laws are in favor of the woman, all one has to do is "cry" rape and someones life can be ruined. If it wasn't for an airtight alibi (that had to be confirmed in court, ON VIDEO) otherwise he would've been hung."
You only HAD one point. "FAKE RAPE!" is what your whole argument was riding on.
Many laws are in favor of the woman, all one has to do is "cry" rape and someones life can be ruined. If it wasn't for an airtight alibi (that had to be confirmed in court, ON VIDEO) otherwise he would've been hung."
You only HAD one point. "FAKE RAPE!" is what your whole argument was riding on.
Well when you've had four friends, (Junior high through highschool) several people from college classes, and several of their coworkers done to in their workplace, it kinda hits you right hard in the head and makes you generally feel afraid for oneself.
But fine, take it at that and ignore my post, I guess I am done here unless you have something else to say.
I do not wish to needlessly clutter this with your responses pointing out the "fake rape!" and what you must feel is my decrepit values of trying to clarify a post without need of "FAKE RAPE!"
But fine, take it at that and ignore my post, I guess I am done here unless you have something else to say.
I do not wish to needlessly clutter this with your responses pointing out the "fake rape!" and what you must feel is my decrepit values of trying to clarify a post without need of "FAKE RAPE!"
Society of today is certainly screwed up on many, many levels, some that may be more biased toward women, some that aren't, but it doesn't really change the fact that there is still a lot of discrimination against women in a society that seems to think it's dealt with all of that.
"While woman may be (Unequal) In the public view, they are also (Unequal) in the courts, to be ABOVE men there."
Really. Are you serious. Want me to break out the instances of women being arrested for "false accusations" for reporting their rape to their police?
Want me to break out the majority instances of women not reporting their rape and having to live with it and know there is nothing they can do about it unless they're a rich white chick with lawyers and media publicity?
When my older cousin was in college, not even close to a decade ago, there was an incident of a freshman girl being invited to a frat party in which the drinks were drugged. While she was unconcious, and there were many other witnesses there for this incident, the girl was mercilessly gang-raped by four or five of the frat boys. She reported it to the dean, and to security.
In reaction, they sent her home. The culprits were not punished.
You are uninformed. The "cry rape" thing happens but it is not a common commodity. And if you think rape charges are staggeringly in favor of women, think again.
Really. Are you serious. Want me to break out the instances of women being arrested for "false accusations" for reporting their rape to their police?
Want me to break out the majority instances of women not reporting their rape and having to live with it and know there is nothing they can do about it unless they're a rich white chick with lawyers and media publicity?
When my older cousin was in college, not even close to a decade ago, there was an incident of a freshman girl being invited to a frat party in which the drinks were drugged. While she was unconcious, and there were many other witnesses there for this incident, the girl was mercilessly gang-raped by four or five of the frat boys. She reported it to the dean, and to security.
In reaction, they sent her home. The culprits were not punished.
You are uninformed. The "cry rape" thing happens but it is not a common commodity. And if you think rape charges are staggeringly in favor of women, think again.
I've had the same thing in reverse, for the men who weren't even given equal due before being thrown in jail for weeks before finding of no evidence, some of those people I spoke of never got their lives back, they were claimed sex offenders and their records left with it, Even though they were proven innocent.
Our experiences may be vastly different, my area is very pro-women to the point that I fear speaking with some else I be accused of something. That may be my paranoia, or my fear of the courts, but I know what I've seen and heard around here.
Your point is valid of course, but I guess it's just my fear that causes me to speak like this, I'm deathly afraid of being accused of something I havn't done, cast out of the community and having job offers ripped from me because of a smear that being accused of problematics that can be caused. Nor being labeled a sex offender due to such things.
Please respond to my posts though please, it's hard to comment if I don't check.
Our experiences may be vastly different, my area is very pro-women to the point that I fear speaking with some else I be accused of something. That may be my paranoia, or my fear of the courts, but I know what I've seen and heard around here.
Your point is valid of course, but I guess it's just my fear that causes me to speak like this, I'm deathly afraid of being accused of something I havn't done, cast out of the community and having job offers ripped from me because of a smear that being accused of problematics that can be caused. Nor being labeled a sex offender due to such things.
Please respond to my posts though please, it's hard to comment if I don't check.
There are also several very different "types" of Feminism in terms of political and gender theory. They all have the same basic goal of gaining respect and equality for women, but they have very different ideas about what women "should" or "shouldn't" be like, do, act, etc. and very different proposed methods for achieving those goals. I think a lot of people reacting against feminism are reacting against third-wave and post-modernist feminist criticism written in the 1970s and 1980s because it was very much tied up in things like questioning the gender binary, queer theory, radical separatism, and politics of race and ethnicity. A lot of people don't really understand that "equality and respect" is not equal to giving women the vote and the rights to hold jobs, property, and academic degrees. Couple that with what looks on its surface to be a very "ivory tower"-style intellectual movement, and you have a lot of people who think that "feminism" means rich New England liberals who went to expensive schools and majored in something that they consider to be of little practical value and who simply want to be angry at everything.
Of course, that's a huge oversimplification. The basics of it is that lots of people think "feminism" is one uniform, unified movement, when in actuality there are a bazillion different types of feminism, and there is actually a lot of bitter politics and infighting between those who espouse different types.
Of course, that's a huge oversimplification. The basics of it is that lots of people think "feminism" is one uniform, unified movement, when in actuality there are a bazillion different types of feminism, and there is actually a lot of bitter politics and infighting between those who espouse different types.
This is full of win. I agree with the statements here. A black president is a big step up, but I recently saw an article about Mexican children being refused an education because of suspicion that they're from Mexico and not from the district. I've seen a female candidate getting a lot of publicity in the 2008 election, but there are some companies that STILL pay women less than men. And let's not even get into the homosexuality issue.
Prejudice is still here and we still got to fight for those rights.
Prejudice is still here and we still got to fight for those rights.
I was going to go out tonight, that also didn't happen!
But hey, this was a good thing I think. I didn't see the original drama, and there was some dumb here, but most of the comments here seemed largely to be on the ball, and it was good to see some people I agree with on these ol' Internets.
But hey, this was a good thing I think. I didn't see the original drama, and there was some dumb here, but most of the comments here seemed largely to be on the ball, and it was good to see some people I agree with on these ol' Internets.
but there are some companies that STILL pay women less than men
Heck, there was a (Republican-majority) Congress not too long ago that FILIBUSTERED the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act---a law that actually codifies enforcement for equal pay between the genders---after the Supreme Court all but eviscerated the protections under existing law in 2007.
It's like we have to fight tooth and claw just to hang on to rights we thought had been secure since the 60s....
Heck, there was a (Republican-majority) Congress not too long ago that FILIBUSTERED the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act---a law that actually codifies enforcement for equal pay between the genders---after the Supreme Court all but eviscerated the protections under existing law in 2007.
It's like we have to fight tooth and claw just to hang on to rights we thought had been secure since the 60s....
What purpose is there to doing that? Is saving money really that important to them? :/
At the time, they claimed that passing the bill would result in "a flood of litigation" that would bankrupt businesses left and right. But of course, they conveniently forgot to mention that all the bill would do was restore the status quo that existed prior to 2007. Their arguments against were bunk right from the get-go, and still they filibustered.
(And you know what's especially funny? John McCain, 2008 presidential candidate, is on record as opposing the bill. We almost had a freaking president who doesn't believe in enforcing equal pay between the genders!)
At the time, they claimed that passing the bill would result in "a flood of litigation" that would bankrupt businesses left and right. But of course, they conveniently forgot to mention that all the bill would do was restore the status quo that existed prior to 2007. Their arguments against were bunk right from the get-go, and still they filibustered.
(And you know what's especially funny? John McCain, 2008 presidential candidate, is on record as opposing the bill. We almost had a freaking president who doesn't believe in enforcing equal pay between the genders!)
The original journal lacked all tact needed to be humerous. Where if he had actually put some thought into it, I won't lie, I would have laughed. I'm easy to amuse and hard to offend.
but this comic brings affront some good and valid points that seem to be forgotten on far too frequent a basis :C
but this comic brings affront some good and valid points that seem to be forgotten on far too frequent a basis :C
I actually knew a girl who is a lesbian and called herself a feminist. Now, a friend of mine actually are both feminists as well, despite being male. And she was going on and on about feminist ideals, and we were agreeing with everything she said. And then she went off not on equal rights about women, but how women were in fact superior to men in every way, and deserve a higher place in the workplace than men. And even thought we had agreed to everything (Right up until the Female Superiority bit) she still stomped off disgusted because we were a couple of chauvinistic dogs.
I've heard of reverse racism, but this was the first time I'd experienced reversed sexism.
No real point to this story, but yeah, we still have a long way to go.
I've heard of reverse racism, but this was the first time I'd experienced reversed sexism.
No real point to this story, but yeah, we still have a long way to go.
I loved it when I got called a "femme nazi bitch" for a rant about how I did not like my tits to be stared at. Which is hilarious, as most of my friends are male and I get along better with guys. But hey people love assuming someone's rant about a specific group means all of a gender, race, etc. Totally dig this, especially #4.
Ask to the asking to be raped thing, with Phisk and everything, I'm not going to post there because it's so big and all but:
I think sometimes there are some things that can be done that would ideally reduce your risk for being raped, eg not eating 5 bars of xanax and then drinking half a bottle of tequila and doing a couple keg-stands. I got flamed out of another feminist forum for this, because they would argue, "No one ever does anything to deserve rape, ever." But sometimes I feel like if maybe you didn't shoot up a half gram of heroin and pass out in an alley next to a dumpster that maybe things might have turned out a little better in re: raping. Of course no one deserves rape and no one deserves to get mugged/murdered either, but obviously you can help it at least a little by not wearing 5 pounds of gold chains and walking around some urban shithole at 3AM looking to score crack.
I think sometimes there are some things that can be done that would ideally reduce your risk for being raped, eg not eating 5 bars of xanax and then drinking half a bottle of tequila and doing a couple keg-stands. I got flamed out of another feminist forum for this, because they would argue, "No one ever does anything to deserve rape, ever." But sometimes I feel like if maybe you didn't shoot up a half gram of heroin and pass out in an alley next to a dumpster that maybe things might have turned out a little better in re: raping. Of course no one deserves rape and no one deserves to get mugged/murdered either, but obviously you can help it at least a little by not wearing 5 pounds of gold chains and walking around some urban shithole at 3AM looking to score crack.
Oh yeah totally you can definitely reduce the risk of putting yourself in a dangerous situation. That doesn't make the crime okay, and it doesn't make the criminals any less guilty, but walking around in a drug induced haze at a shady party is a stupid idea no matter who you are.
No matter what the circumstance, it is wrong to rape, it is wrong to mug, it is wrong to murder. The judgement is in the hands of the culprit, and if they chose to rape, the victim is without blame in every instance. Not trying to blast you it's just that this is kind of a shade away from "AHAHAHA WHATEVER BRO THAT SLUT WAS TOTALLY ASKING FOR IT THE WAY SHE WORE A SHORT SKIRT AND DRANK 2 MARTINIS AND HAD A VAGINA LIKE THAT" and it's inexcusable
Besides to be honest situations and clothes don't really affect it any more or any less, in most instances. There is no "Default Attire to Getting Raped". If someone is a rapist, they're a rapist, doesn't matter if they get you at a frat party or on the street corner when you're dressed conservatively walking home from work or at the train station at night in the bathroom stall. If you get murdered, doesn't matter what you were wearing in most instances: they killed you. For whatever reason.
This kind of casual victim-blaming "WELL YOU COULD HAVE DONE THIS TO BE MORE PREPARED FOR THE COMPLETELY UNEXPECTED RAPE" is the common counter to victims or rape or assault, some guys must be fucking crazy because I guess they think rape is an inevitable part of any given girl's life
BRB GONNA PUT ON MY GETTING RAPED CLOTHES GUYS ^__^
~her first kiss
her first date
her first prom
her first rape~
etc
Besides to be honest situations and clothes don't really affect it any more or any less, in most instances. There is no "Default Attire to Getting Raped". If someone is a rapist, they're a rapist, doesn't matter if they get you at a frat party or on the street corner when you're dressed conservatively walking home from work or at the train station at night in the bathroom stall. If you get murdered, doesn't matter what you were wearing in most instances: they killed you. For whatever reason.
This kind of casual victim-blaming "WELL YOU COULD HAVE DONE THIS TO BE MORE PREPARED FOR THE COMPLETELY UNEXPECTED RAPE" is the common counter to victims or rape or assault, some guys must be fucking crazy because I guess they think rape is an inevitable part of any given girl's life
BRB GONNA PUT ON MY GETTING RAPED CLOTHES GUYS ^__^
~her first kiss
her first date
her first prom
her first rape~
etc
Well, I'm not arguing the wrongness of rape, I'm just saying that hey, maybe if you did use a little better judgement then this wouldn't have happened. Which I mean statistically is probably the truth. I imagine that you're much more likely to get raped if you're binge drinking than otherwise. It's like saying if you have no guns in your possession, you're probably less likely to die of a gunshot wound, by the numbers.
I think you're having a fundamental misunderstanding of rape, It's not usually caused by lust or "convenience" (via drunkenness) and doesn't matter if you're homely, fat, pretty, or wearing a neon flashing sequined blouse that says PLEASE RAPE ME. It is an instance of the psychological profile of the culprit. I find it unlikely than you will find any significant correlation between getting raped and being drunk, in that instance the issue was not "Stacy went on a tequila bender" but that "Mark is a fucking rapist".
It could be any number of things: Their rationale, maybe the culprit has wrongly convinced themselves that because she/he is intoxicated, she/he is interested in having sex because they didn't say "no", maybe the culprit is just a sociopath, maybe the culprit has psychological problems on top of being furiously sexually frustrated (or just plain frustrated - most acts of rape are not committed out of lust.)
Notice that none of these things were directly caused by the victim's aggregations.
I'm not going to disagree with you that getting shitfaced with a bunch of rowdy douchebags you don't know in their apartment with nobody trustworthy around is a Pretty Bad Idea, just that the act of rape itself is not directly caused by or exacerbated by the decisions made on behalf of the victim 99.9999999999% of the time assuming some weirdo rare predicament exists somewhere.
If someone rapes they were gonna rape sooner or later, whether due to mental problems or due to being raised in a society where a significant portion of people support the notion of "Well it's OK to stick a dick in her while she screams and kicks in protest if she was ~spreading her legs like a little slut~".
As mentioned before. No one puts on their "getting raped tonight" skirt and drinks their "getting raped tonight" margaritas, or puts on their "getting mugged tonight" jewelry, or puts on their best "getting accidentally shot and killed in the crossfire of a drive-by shooting" shirt.
wow tldr, i must be cranky from all this sneezing
It could be any number of things: Their rationale, maybe the culprit has wrongly convinced themselves that because she/he is intoxicated, she/he is interested in having sex because they didn't say "no", maybe the culprit is just a sociopath, maybe the culprit has psychological problems on top of being furiously sexually frustrated (or just plain frustrated - most acts of rape are not committed out of lust.)
Notice that none of these things were directly caused by the victim's aggregations.
I'm not going to disagree with you that getting shitfaced with a bunch of rowdy douchebags you don't know in their apartment with nobody trustworthy around is a Pretty Bad Idea, just that the act of rape itself is not directly caused by or exacerbated by the decisions made on behalf of the victim 99.9999999999% of the time assuming some weirdo rare predicament exists somewhere.
If someone rapes they were gonna rape sooner or later, whether due to mental problems or due to being raised in a society where a significant portion of people support the notion of "Well it's OK to stick a dick in her while she screams and kicks in protest if she was ~spreading her legs like a little slut~".
As mentioned before. No one puts on their "getting raped tonight" skirt and drinks their "getting raped tonight" margaritas, or puts on their "getting mugged tonight" jewelry, or puts on their best "getting accidentally shot and killed in the crossfire of a drive-by shooting" shirt.
wow tldr, i must be cranky from all this sneezing
Ah, but you're saying all rapists are pretty much the same too I kind of feel like. I don't believe that at all either. Rape is always wrong, but there's a difference between say Fritz and someone who had sex with his wife when his wife refused to have sex with him. They're both not right, but one is less wrong than the other, probably. I think there's a shifting scale on both ends and that rape is generally not a black and white issue and must be examined on all levels before a judgement is made about it.
Wtf, are you high or something? Both are horrifically traumatizing. You could argue which cold blooded murder was worse but in the end someone is dead and that's that. In the end with rape, the victim (man, woman, or child) is horribly violated.
Most rapes are committed on the basis of control and power.
Would you seriously try to explain to someone that was raped that they are not near as bad off as the girl that got raped because she wasn't dressed in a miniskirt?
And on your views of domestic violence, you really have NO idea. I have two very close people to me suffer from it's effects. One was kidnapped AT GUN POINT for trying to leave an abusive relationship.
Now try coming at me with your "THEY CAN JUST LEAVE OR THEY WERE ASKING FOR IT" argument.
You really just disgust me, you throw the emotional impact these acts have to the side because they didn't take EVERY STEP to try to avoid.
If a child is walking by themselves to the bus stop and is grabbed and raped, did they DESERVE IT. They didn't ask to be escorted, they didn't carry their mace that day, they didn't know to scream. So they didn't take all the steps to avoid. By your logic, they earned it more than the girl safely in her house.
Even if you don't have a child in the argument, what about anyone walking down the sidewalk that gets grabbed? They could just be taking a walk. A rapist is more often than not looking for domination, slut skirts are not going to matter.
Most rapes are committed on the basis of control and power.
Would you seriously try to explain to someone that was raped that they are not near as bad off as the girl that got raped because she wasn't dressed in a miniskirt?
And on your views of domestic violence, you really have NO idea. I have two very close people to me suffer from it's effects. One was kidnapped AT GUN POINT for trying to leave an abusive relationship.
Now try coming at me with your "THEY CAN JUST LEAVE OR THEY WERE ASKING FOR IT" argument.
You really just disgust me, you throw the emotional impact these acts have to the side because they didn't take EVERY STEP to try to avoid.
If a child is walking by themselves to the bus stop and is grabbed and raped, did they DESERVE IT. They didn't ask to be escorted, they didn't carry their mace that day, they didn't know to scream. So they didn't take all the steps to avoid. By your logic, they earned it more than the girl safely in her house.
Even if you don't have a child in the argument, what about anyone walking down the sidewalk that gets grabbed? They could just be taking a walk. A rapist is more often than not looking for domination, slut skirts are not going to matter.
So far both you and the above poster have taken very condescending tones.
Yes, there are variable sentences for different types of rape. There are varying psychiatric consequences for childhood sexual abuse depending on the type and severity, see Kendler, K.S., et al. Childhood sexual abuse and adult psychiatric and substance use disorders in women: An epidemiological and co-twin control analysis. Archives of General Psychiatry 57(10):953-959, 2000. All child sexual abuse is fucking disgusting, but it's all not perfectly equivalent in terms of fallout.
Yes, there are variable sentences for different types of murder.
Yes, there are both the authorities as well as social work agencies who are designed to help people who are being victimized by abusive significant others, even when the consequences are dire.
No, the child does not deserve rape, nor does anyone who is raped. I'm saying that one rape is not congruent to another rape, just as once murder is not congruent to another murder just as one battery charge is not congruent to another battery charge.
Yeah, I am pretty wasted right now.
No, I won't argue this further.
Yes, there are variable sentences for different types of rape. There are varying psychiatric consequences for childhood sexual abuse depending on the type and severity, see Kendler, K.S., et al. Childhood sexual abuse and adult psychiatric and substance use disorders in women: An epidemiological and co-twin control analysis. Archives of General Psychiatry 57(10):953-959, 2000. All child sexual abuse is fucking disgusting, but it's all not perfectly equivalent in terms of fallout.
Yes, there are variable sentences for different types of murder.
Yes, there are both the authorities as well as social work agencies who are designed to help people who are being victimized by abusive significant others, even when the consequences are dire.
No, the child does not deserve rape, nor does anyone who is raped. I'm saying that one rape is not congruent to another rape, just as once murder is not congruent to another murder just as one battery charge is not congruent to another battery charge.
Yeah, I am pretty wasted right now.
No, I won't argue this further.
Just because the sentencing is different it does not change the events that caused the action or the effects it caused.
Arguing punishment in this argument is invalid.
Yes we were condescending, because you sound like a twat.
"Yes, there are both the authorities as well as social work agencies who are designed to help people who are being victimized by abusive significant others, even when the consequences are dire."
You have missed the point and not considered "fear" or other factors. You are showing your ignorence again.
Arguing punishment in this argument is invalid.
Yes we were condescending, because you sound like a twat.
"Yes, there are both the authorities as well as social work agencies who are designed to help people who are being victimized by abusive significant others, even when the consequences are dire."
You have missed the point and not considered "fear" or other factors. You are showing your ignorence again.
See, my problem is, why do people feel it's necessary to even point this out? It's pretty fucking obvious. And you never hear anyone saying something like "Well, there'd be less muggings in this city if people didn't go around with so much money in their pockets." Or, "There'd be less domestic violence if women didn't hook up with assholes." Because it's like, "No shit Sherlock, why are you even bringing this up?"
Are things one can do to (hopefully) reduce one's risk of being raped? Sure. The problem with making this point, however, is (1) the way it's usually articulated, it's less about "don't shoot up heroin in a dark alleyway" and more about "don't ask for it by dressing like a slut," and (2) the unspoken corollary "If you don't do all these things to reduce your risk, and you are raped, then IT'S YOUR FAULT."
#2 is stated explicitly, all too often, when a woman makes an accusation against her rapist. "You were out drinking... you were wearing revealing clothing... you were overly trusting... if you didn't do these things, you wouldn't have been raped! How could you be so stupid??"
Plus, there's the point that women who don't drink, who don't wear revealing clothing, etc. still get raped all the time, often by someone close to them (and not the much-feared stranger jumping out of the bushes). So the "How Not to Get Raped" rulebook is not only hijacked as a way to browbeat women into behaving like Good Little Girls™, its real-world practical value isn't even a given.
#2 is stated explicitly, all too often, when a woman makes an accusation against her rapist. "You were out drinking... you were wearing revealing clothing... you were overly trusting... if you didn't do these things, you wouldn't have been raped! How could you be so stupid??"
Plus, there's the point that women who don't drink, who don't wear revealing clothing, etc. still get raped all the time, often by someone close to them (and not the much-feared stranger jumping out of the bushes). So the "How Not to Get Raped" rulebook is not only hijacked as a way to browbeat women into behaving like Good Little Girls™, its real-world practical value isn't even a given.
Well, yes, but the problem I guess I have is that I don't feel all rapes are exactly equal, that some times you could have done better and that I'm not going to feel bad for you if certain things happen. If your boyfriend broke your arm two weeks ago and your jaw one week ago and today you went back to him and refused to report it as domestic violence at the ER, what do you want me to say? It's difficult to give a huge amount of sympathy in such a situation.
People dating abusive people is another very complicated psychological issue caused by a wide range of factors, including but not limited to the self-esteem of the (let's say it's a) girl involved. Contrary to what a lot of nerdy pitiful ~nice guys~ would like you to think, society does not glorify abusive boyfriends, (though some isolated groups of people do) it is frequently a case of the girl hooking up with this guy who beats her and treats her like a shit stain but due to societal pressures and personal insecurities brought on by whatever it is caused them. She stays with him for any one or two or three out of a hundred possible reasons, including fear (that he will harm her if she dumps him), personal hangups (that she will not find another boyfriend if she dumps this one, as societal or personal pressure has convinced her she Needs a boyfriend), what have you.
I'm not saying they aren't responsible for a portion of their own fate, but it's never out of laziness or stupidity. Domestic abuse has a very chilling and ingraining foundation in the people it affects, making it all the more dangerous.
Basically there are a lot of things in this world that are easier said than done if you are the victim. It's easy to talk tough about girls who get beaten by their boyfriends (or vice versa) but if you were in a lasting example of that scenario you would feel a lot differently about whether or not you'd just "up and dump" the guy who threatened to kill you if you left him.
Similarly: Women who do not report their rapes because there is a very good chance they will be arrested for false accusations. They get bossed around regularly by uninhibited ignorant people who do not understand what they are going through.
I'm not saying they aren't responsible for a portion of their own fate, but it's never out of laziness or stupidity. Domestic abuse has a very chilling and ingraining foundation in the people it affects, making it all the more dangerous.
Basically there are a lot of things in this world that are easier said than done if you are the victim. It's easy to talk tough about girls who get beaten by their boyfriends (or vice versa) but if you were in a lasting example of that scenario you would feel a lot differently about whether or not you'd just "up and dump" the guy who threatened to kill you if you left him.
Similarly: Women who do not report their rapes because there is a very good chance they will be arrested for false accusations. They get bossed around regularly by uninhibited ignorant people who do not understand what they are going through.
What you are talking to is called "learned helplessness"
Where people are trained not to see a way out of their terrible circumstances.
This is cruelly and primitively exemplified (much longer ago) by a psychological experiment done on a dog that had its legs harnessed to the floor while they would repeated shock it. Eventually it learned to just take the shocks, and when they released the harnesses and did the same thing... it was so conditioned to just accept its fate and environment that it wouldn't move, and would just stand there and take the abuse.
I think people can trained in much the same ways (more like psychological abuse, but sometimes physical). And, personal strength and willpower is sometimes asking too much from some people, some people just aren't rebellious archetypes.
Where people are trained not to see a way out of their terrible circumstances.
This is cruelly and primitively exemplified (much longer ago) by a psychological experiment done on a dog that had its legs harnessed to the floor while they would repeated shock it. Eventually it learned to just take the shocks, and when they released the harnesses and did the same thing... it was so conditioned to just accept its fate and environment that it wouldn't move, and would just stand there and take the abuse.
I think people can trained in much the same ways (more like psychological abuse, but sometimes physical). And, personal strength and willpower is sometimes asking too much from some people, some people just aren't rebellious archetypes.
I wouldn't use domestic violence as a parallel. It's very easy for someone to say, "Why doesn't she just leave him? I would leave him in a heartbeat if he so much as looked at me funny." But the psychology of abusive relationships is so f**ked up, and these relationships are so easy to fall into without recognizing them for what they are, that it's never as cut-and-dry as it seems from the outside. Hell---even women who know how abusive relationships work have fallen into them.
Moral of the story: Please learn more about the dynamics of DV before you decide how much sympathy to show those who are victimized by it. Because, believe me, it's a lot more complicated than you think.
As for rapes, and certain things happening... I'd be very careful with that, because you're basically defining what women should and should not be able to do in public life. You know, in the less-progressive Middle Eastern countries, women wear burkas so that men [who are not related to them] don't lose control of themselves. A common analogy/slogan they use to enforce this is, "If you leave meat uncovered, it will attract flies, so keep it covered!"
Where do you draw the line? Are you going to find yourself in agreement with the social conservatives who say that women should not wear provocative clothing, so that men are not enticed into raping them?
Moral of the story: Please learn more about the dynamics of DV before you decide how much sympathy to show those who are victimized by it. Because, believe me, it's a lot more complicated than you think.
As for rapes, and certain things happening... I'd be very careful with that, because you're basically defining what women should and should not be able to do in public life. You know, in the less-progressive Middle Eastern countries, women wear burkas so that men [who are not related to them] don't lose control of themselves. A common analogy/slogan they use to enforce this is, "If you leave meat uncovered, it will attract flies, so keep it covered!"
Where do you draw the line? Are you going to find yourself in agreement with the social conservatives who say that women should not wear provocative clothing, so that men are not enticed into raping them?
Another fact: Everyone is either feminist or sexist, simply by definition. Friend of mine took a class on the subject.
Although I kind of like the Doonesbury comic where the old lady (I can never keep anyone's name straight in that strip) said that "feminism" is effectively a dated term by now for that very reason, and continuing to use it is like if the term "suffragette" had kept being used in the '50s. *shrug*
Although I kind of like the Doonesbury comic where the old lady (I can never keep anyone's name straight in that strip) said that "feminism" is effectively a dated term by now for that very reason, and continuing to use it is like if the term "suffragette" had kept being used in the '50s. *shrug*
I guess because I'm a newbie loser here, I have never seen you before. And this is the first impression you have made on me. And it's a very, very good first impression.
When I see things like these arguments, I am at first angry and sad and misanthropic, because the few who really believe the stupid things they say (whether they pretend it's a joke later or not) are obnoxious and hard to ignore. But then, sometimes, someone who actually uses fact and information rather than opinion and hunch comes along and says some intelligent things back at them. And in this case, a lot of people agreed with the less stupid. It almost makes me hate the world a bit less. c:
When I see things like these arguments, I am at first angry and sad and misanthropic, because the few who really believe the stupid things they say (whether they pretend it's a joke later or not) are obnoxious and hard to ignore. But then, sometimes, someone who actually uses fact and information rather than opinion and hunch comes along and says some intelligent things back at them. And in this case, a lot of people agreed with the less stupid. It almost makes me hate the world a bit less. c:
I'll explain the context of this so no one jumps on me immediately with the racist/ignorence card.
I go to a school in the south with a pretty even split of black and white students. There might actually be more blacks than whites, but it's hard to tell.
But to my point. An African American Awareness club was started. And it DID baffle me. I didn't see the point of it in a school that is so evenly split. I had a discussion about it with a few friends, two of which were black and one of those two started off the conversation about how silly the club was IN CONTEXT of the evenly split school.
Of course starting a similar club for whites would seem racist. Please don't jump on me, we only joked about that. One of my black (male) friends offered to be queen of it, so it wasn't a serious thing. We were pretty sure than any other minority club would be ignored or thought unacceptable because it is "more right" to be for black awareness than anything else because the most commonly discussed and publicized racism is whites racists against blacks.
Black or white discrimination is pretty low at that school, so I really didn't understand the creation of the club. In some contexts, I think pushing the racist issue goes too far when racism is almost a non-issue.
Of course you don't want to be Asian there or you'll get shit day in and day out.
This is not to say that I don't understand the need for such clubs, but where it is not needed, it seems pretentious.
(Yes I repeated context a lot, I didn't want to get murdered for not making things CRYSTAL clear.)
I go to a school in the south with a pretty even split of black and white students. There might actually be more blacks than whites, but it's hard to tell.
But to my point. An African American Awareness club was started. And it DID baffle me. I didn't see the point of it in a school that is so evenly split. I had a discussion about it with a few friends, two of which were black and one of those two started off the conversation about how silly the club was IN CONTEXT of the evenly split school.
Of course starting a similar club for whites would seem racist. Please don't jump on me, we only joked about that. One of my black (male) friends offered to be queen of it, so it wasn't a serious thing. We were pretty sure than any other minority club would be ignored or thought unacceptable because it is "more right" to be for black awareness than anything else because the most commonly discussed and publicized racism is whites racists against blacks.
Black or white discrimination is pretty low at that school, so I really didn't understand the creation of the club. In some contexts, I think pushing the racist issue goes too far when racism is almost a non-issue.
Of course you don't want to be Asian there or you'll get shit day in and day out.
This is not to say that I don't understand the need for such clubs, but where it is not needed, it seems pretentious.
(Yes I repeated context a lot, I didn't want to get murdered for not making things CRYSTAL clear.)
I think it's all bullshit.
I think racism and sexism are on both sides of the board and that we are keeping it alive and playing its angles for all it's worth, rather than it actually amounting to shit.
And beside, everyone know that the most hated thing in america is the white, single, male.
I think racism and sexism are on both sides of the board and that we are keeping it alive and playing its angles for all it's worth, rather than it actually amounting to shit.
And beside, everyone know that the most hated thing in america is the white, single, male.
I'm mostly kidding now.
But, to get the point, when I say "bullshit", I mean racism and sexism is just a retarded concept that I pretty much can't comprehend or wrap my head around its reasonings, in other countries, yes, these things actively exist on a severely detrimental level, rather than people having a big sad over hurt egos.
I'm sorry, I grew up thinking other cultures and skin types were pretty fuckin rad, and I'm a mama's boy, so I just don't get it, and when I see people blabbering on about race and sex, I just shake my head and often see a lot of selfserving diarea of the mouth.
But, to get the point, when I say "bullshit", I mean racism and sexism is just a retarded concept that I pretty much can't comprehend or wrap my head around its reasonings, in other countries, yes, these things actively exist on a severely detrimental level, rather than people having a big sad over hurt egos.
I'm sorry, I grew up thinking other cultures and skin types were pretty fuckin rad, and I'm a mama's boy, so I just don't get it, and when I see people blabbering on about race and sex, I just shake my head and often see a lot of selfserving diarea of the mouth.
True, there is a huge gap between Men and Women.
We need more remancipation.
Why do guys have to spend one year either going to Army or doing social work, while women can just launch into uni here in germany?
And don't you come with "But we're getting the babies and will have to take a year off later" It's actually like _I_ want to take the year off and help with the child.
Oh the rage.
We need more remancipation.
Why do guys have to spend one year either going to Army or doing social work, while women can just launch into uni here in germany?
And don't you come with "But we're getting the babies and will have to take a year off later" It's actually like _I_ want to take the year off and help with the child.
Oh the rage.
I have to say that the term "equalist" appeals to me more, as the term "feminist" implies thinking that females are superior, which is not what it's supposed to be.
I was raised in a house of "hardcore feminists" who had dinky little tupperware parties and insulted people based on the fact that they had a penis. My friends were often the subject of ridicule, sometimes even to their faces.
People should all have equal wages, as long as the job they are doing is the same.
People should all have the right to vote.
People should be free of the stigma of assumed personality traits based on sets of genitalia.
Personally, I feel that it's okay to have certain 'male dominated' areas of employment, for example, construction working. It is a biological fact that males tend to be bigger and stronger than females. Therefore, an average man can help out a lot more than an average woman can when it comes to lifting and setting steel girders or whatever. There are of course, always exceptions. You get bullish, strong women just as you get shrimpy, diminutive men. I think it's fair that the men would get selected over the women for openings in a construction job.
I was raised in a house of "hardcore feminists" who had dinky little tupperware parties and insulted people based on the fact that they had a penis. My friends were often the subject of ridicule, sometimes even to their faces.
People should all have equal wages, as long as the job they are doing is the same.
People should all have the right to vote.
People should be free of the stigma of assumed personality traits based on sets of genitalia.
Personally, I feel that it's okay to have certain 'male dominated' areas of employment, for example, construction working. It is a biological fact that males tend to be bigger and stronger than females. Therefore, an average man can help out a lot more than an average woman can when it comes to lifting and setting steel girders or whatever. There are of course, always exceptions. You get bullish, strong women just as you get shrimpy, diminutive men. I think it's fair that the men would get selected over the women for openings in a construction job.
i can stand by this to a point , though i'd say the only job a woman cant do is male prostitute or stripper ,and vise versa, physical construction is hardly an issue as is the mentality and physical knowadge of how the body works
most people are raised to either be more physical or more mental, sadly gender tends to take a factor in that
alot of manual labor focuses mor or how you bend or position yourself than how big your muscles are,things in gereal are fucked in that area
personally I really wish jobs worked as they should,
if you meet the requirements for the job you are accepted for a trial period, if you cannot handle the trial period you are dismissed,of course the general problem there is bigotry withing the heirachy of the workplace though
most people are raised to either be more physical or more mental, sadly gender tends to take a factor in that
alot of manual labor focuses mor or how you bend or position yourself than how big your muscles are,things in gereal are fucked in that area
personally I really wish jobs worked as they should,
if you meet the requirements for the job you are accepted for a trial period, if you cannot handle the trial period you are dismissed,of course the general problem there is bigotry withing the heirachy of the workplace though
The problem with construction (and a lot of typically "manly" jobs) is that so much of it's mechanized and bound to become more so due to the liability of breaking a machine vs. injuring a person. The edge you get from testosterone becomes far less when you have trucks and backhoes and air compressors at your disposal.
I'm all for physical fitness tests, like the one I took when I worked for a warehouse, but there's still a lot of "good ol' boys" attitudes keeping women out of well-paying jobs.
I'm all for physical fitness tests, like the one I took when I worked for a warehouse, but there's still a lot of "good ol' boys" attitudes keeping women out of well-paying jobs.
""feminist" implies thinking that females are superior"
No it doesn't, you are referring to an isolated sect of feminists who do not understand feminism and wrongfully attack men instead attacking the societal institutions causing men to feel privileged, entitled or otherwise uninformed.
"Personally, I feel that it's okay to have certain 'male dominated' areas of employment, for example, construction working. It is a biological fact that males tend to be bigger and stronger than females. Therefore, an average man can help out a lot more than an average woman can when it comes to lifting and setting steel girders or whatever. There are of course, always exceptions. You get bullish, strong women just as you get shrimpy, diminutive men. I think it's fair that the men would get selected over the women for openings in a construction job."
As another response put it, construction work doesn't actually have much of anything to do with your physical gender as it does your knowledge of the human body and your own capacities. Construction is not a male-dominated industry because it's "supposed to be", but rather society very clearly draws a line between "manly jobs" and "feminine jobs" even today. Nature vs. nurture, etc., if you look at a woman raised in a matrilineal society such certain native american tribes, she behaves and speaks with a great deal more confidence (no speaking in uncertainties, no vaguely neutral and unthreatening expressions of opinion) than a woman raised in a fairly conservative part of the united states or europe. A woman raised here would likely be more inclined to believe she is not capable of the manual labor involved in construction work when she, with some practice, is just like anyone else is.
On the other side of things, many people today still chuckle and guffaw at the idea of a "male nurse" as a source of comedy. Why is that? What makes men less qualified to be nurses than women? Nothing at all, but we have come to accept nurse as a "feminine job".
No it doesn't, you are referring to an isolated sect of feminists who do not understand feminism and wrongfully attack men instead attacking the societal institutions causing men to feel privileged, entitled or otherwise uninformed.
"Personally, I feel that it's okay to have certain 'male dominated' areas of employment, for example, construction working. It is a biological fact that males tend to be bigger and stronger than females. Therefore, an average man can help out a lot more than an average woman can when it comes to lifting and setting steel girders or whatever. There are of course, always exceptions. You get bullish, strong women just as you get shrimpy, diminutive men. I think it's fair that the men would get selected over the women for openings in a construction job."
As another response put it, construction work doesn't actually have much of anything to do with your physical gender as it does your knowledge of the human body and your own capacities. Construction is not a male-dominated industry because it's "supposed to be", but rather society very clearly draws a line between "manly jobs" and "feminine jobs" even today. Nature vs. nurture, etc., if you look at a woman raised in a matrilineal society such certain native american tribes, she behaves and speaks with a great deal more confidence (no speaking in uncertainties, no vaguely neutral and unthreatening expressions of opinion) than a woman raised in a fairly conservative part of the united states or europe. A woman raised here would likely be more inclined to believe she is not capable of the manual labor involved in construction work when she, with some practice, is just like anyone else is.
On the other side of things, many people today still chuckle and guffaw at the idea of a "male nurse" as a source of comedy. Why is that? What makes men less qualified to be nurses than women? Nothing at all, but we have come to accept nurse as a "feminine job".
Most often when I've seen racism it's due to one of three things.
Ignorance(lack of knowledge), hatered(Pure concentrated unhappiness), tradition(Like with religion and politics, kids can accept their parent's beliefs without question)
It's interesting when the three mix.
The argument of the definition of feminism is an annoying one. In my mind there should be a term for gender equality that does not relate to one gender. Perhaps gender equality? When ever I head feminism, I really do think of females, which I can only assume might be common in others, and lead to problems in public image. One might argue it's like if the word for racial equality was "whiteism".
Though the human race, as a whole, is not a thing I would ever consider glorifying.
Other than the few that do not fit this qualification, the Earth is populated by quite unhappy people.
I looked up the definition of happiness on dictionary.com and was not pleased with the result. Perhaps I'm behind the curve, but my definition would be likened to "Contentment and peace of mind". Perhaps that's incorrect, but that's the way I'm using it.
Ignorance(lack of knowledge), hatered(Pure concentrated unhappiness), tradition(Like with religion and politics, kids can accept their parent's beliefs without question)
It's interesting when the three mix.
The argument of the definition of feminism is an annoying one. In my mind there should be a term for gender equality that does not relate to one gender. Perhaps gender equality? When ever I head feminism, I really do think of females, which I can only assume might be common in others, and lead to problems in public image. One might argue it's like if the word for racial equality was "whiteism".
Though the human race, as a whole, is not a thing I would ever consider glorifying.
Other than the few that do not fit this qualification, the Earth is populated by quite unhappy people.
I looked up the definition of happiness on dictionary.com and was not pleased with the result. Perhaps I'm behind the curve, but my definition would be likened to "Contentment and peace of mind". Perhaps that's incorrect, but that's the way I'm using it.
There's one step below people who put on rose colored glasses and like to pretend that racism and sexism no longer exist; people who acknowledge their prejudice, but it's say it's ok because they're tolerant. I've said it before and I'll say it again, tolerance is just a six pack away from somebody being beaten to death.
I'll tell you when we're officially out of racism - when I can call a black man the name his brother just called him and not get punched in the face for it.
No. Fuck y'all. Fuck 'taking the word back.' Fuck 'equal office politics.' Fuck each and every thing you ever thought you stood for.
Everybody. Everybody, is out for themselves. They want the best advantages, for themselves or their children for the simple fact of progeny, be damned what's in the way. Some people work for it, some people sit on their backsides and bitch about it. Some people bust ass, some people expect it on a silver plate AND don’t want to be called out for it. This foolishness about "White privilege" my ass. Ya think a homey got it better and ya think it's cause he's white. That's the end of it. And children THAT is the word of the day: Racism. "Cause he's white." It's fucking awesome. I'm bind, my brother, help me see the light! Let me know what it was like to have parents 10 generations removed who MIGHT have been unlucky enough to be in the south and MIGHT have been working for no pay.
You want equality? Don't use the word. Just live it. Every time I have to say "I treat people like I want to be treated" I have to swallow my bile instead of spitting out shit like thiiiiiissss. I'd MUCH prefer it if ALL this shit would just drop but it won't. Schemias make the brain work and they make it impossible not to group things and when you group things you get generalizations, like all apples are sweet. It's dumb, but it's fact, and if it's a band-aid, then I'm sure it's a hell of a lot better than putting salt and lemon in the wound in the form of "omg, you people are STILL horrible, GET IT RIGHT." I'm sure that makes your wounds feel better, don't it?
Jesus fucking jones. Also, throw in a "taking it too seriously" and "it's a joke, dawg" for good measure.
No. Fuck y'all. Fuck 'taking the word back.' Fuck 'equal office politics.' Fuck each and every thing you ever thought you stood for.
Everybody. Everybody, is out for themselves. They want the best advantages, for themselves or their children for the simple fact of progeny, be damned what's in the way. Some people work for it, some people sit on their backsides and bitch about it. Some people bust ass, some people expect it on a silver plate AND don’t want to be called out for it. This foolishness about "White privilege" my ass. Ya think a homey got it better and ya think it's cause he's white. That's the end of it. And children THAT is the word of the day: Racism. "Cause he's white." It's fucking awesome. I'm bind, my brother, help me see the light! Let me know what it was like to have parents 10 generations removed who MIGHT have been unlucky enough to be in the south and MIGHT have been working for no pay.
You want equality? Don't use the word. Just live it. Every time I have to say "I treat people like I want to be treated" I have to swallow my bile instead of spitting out shit like thiiiiiissss. I'd MUCH prefer it if ALL this shit would just drop but it won't. Schemias make the brain work and they make it impossible not to group things and when you group things you get generalizations, like all apples are sweet. It's dumb, but it's fact, and if it's a band-aid, then I'm sure it's a hell of a lot better than putting salt and lemon in the wound in the form of "omg, you people are STILL horrible, GET IT RIGHT." I'm sure that makes your wounds feel better, don't it?
Jesus fucking jones. Also, throw in a "taking it too seriously" and "it's a joke, dawg" for good measure.
Oh. Another awesome example: I have a gay friend. (in before the "I have an ____ friend")
When we were in high school, we were best buddies. Long before he came out of the closet. Even still, we had a gay friend. STILL, being in the south, we threw the word 'gay' around to describe ANYTHING we found displeasing. "Oh, that computer is cheating. It's so gay." "That faggot better not cut me in line." "What faggotry!" etc. We didn't hate our homosexual friend, we just used those words like they were going out of style. It had nothing to do with the actual lifestyle.
After high school, my best buddy comes out of the closet. I wasn't confused, or afraid, or even upset. He was still my friend, and we hung out. He even admitted that he found me attractive. It was flattering. But now, every time I use the word 'gay' or 'faggot' I get shot this dirty look from him. A look I never saw in our old gay friend from way back when. A look of pure disgust in my actions, when we both grew up in the same situation.
Now, you could just brush my story aside as some kind of homophobic/something banter, and I'm just unwilling to change, and that I'm a horrible person, but here's the crux of my argument:
He STILL uses the word "gay" in the exact same way. It still means "something I find displeasing" and it has nothing to do with homosexuality. He just slips, and lets the word out in the same connotation that he used it when as when he grew up.
What's the point of this story? Words only have as much power as you want to give them. In the heat of the moment, we're all the same and words only have the meaning we give them. No one can impose the negative connotation of a word upon us any more then they can impose any other connotations.
When we were in high school, we were best buddies. Long before he came out of the closet. Even still, we had a gay friend. STILL, being in the south, we threw the word 'gay' around to describe ANYTHING we found displeasing. "Oh, that computer is cheating. It's so gay." "That faggot better not cut me in line." "What faggotry!" etc. We didn't hate our homosexual friend, we just used those words like they were going out of style. It had nothing to do with the actual lifestyle.
After high school, my best buddy comes out of the closet. I wasn't confused, or afraid, or even upset. He was still my friend, and we hung out. He even admitted that he found me attractive. It was flattering. But now, every time I use the word 'gay' or 'faggot' I get shot this dirty look from him. A look I never saw in our old gay friend from way back when. A look of pure disgust in my actions, when we both grew up in the same situation.
Now, you could just brush my story aside as some kind of homophobic/something banter, and I'm just unwilling to change, and that I'm a horrible person, but here's the crux of my argument:
He STILL uses the word "gay" in the exact same way. It still means "something I find displeasing" and it has nothing to do with homosexuality. He just slips, and lets the word out in the same connotation that he used it when as when he grew up.
What's the point of this story? Words only have as much power as you want to give them. In the heat of the moment, we're all the same and words only have the meaning we give them. No one can impose the negative connotation of a word upon us any more then they can impose any other connotations.
hear, fucking, hear.... all of this. I wish I could put my thoughts to words this well, but this is basically just how I feel about it. "Ooooh, don't say n___r, it is a horrible evil word and you might offend someone!" = giving the word more power. It reminds me of a child witnessing his mother climb on a footstool and frantically wave a broom at a harmless house centipede, thus causing the child to grow up thinking house centipedes are dangerous, harmful things (when in reality they're helpful in our homes by killing actual harmful spiders and other insects, and don't normally bite people and when they do, it's nothing major.)
Being conditioned to believe that a word can be harmful even out of context of being said in a harmful way = just as stupid to me as being conditioned to believe an unharmful animal is harmful. Don't see how that's fucked up even if I did intend it as an analogy. :I
People have been saying over and over that use of racist words are "not helpful" as though that in any way stops them from being funny to people who know how to find humor in it without actually being a hateful, horrible, racist person.
People have been saying over and over that use of racist words are "not helpful" as though that in any way stops them from being funny to people who know how to find humor in it without actually being a hateful, horrible, racist person.
As a member of an affluent black family that has class, I can say that NO every black person doesn't approve of using that word, even amongst "ourselves". It's trashy.
No one should be saying it, and you shouldn't want the right to call anyone that. And yes, I understand what you meant, but that word will never be positive. Ever.
No one should be saying it, and you shouldn't want the right to call anyone that. And yes, I understand what you meant, but that word will never be positive. Ever.
Did you see that speech by the 11 year old kid the other day? The one about how black people should ban the N-word? My connection sucks right now, so I can't look it up, but if you go on youtube, it'll say something like "Very intelligent 11 year old speaks out about racism" or something along those lines. The main clip is from CNN.
But yeah, I can see how a few years back, people used the word in jest (kind of in a "we're taking it back" way, but also in a "we're joking about how some of these white people see us" kinda way), and it wasn't so offensive... still trashy though. But NOWADAYS.. It's like it recycled itself, and now I think it's even worse because of how some parts of black America has changed.
But yeah, I can see how a few years back, people used the word in jest (kind of in a "we're taking it back" way, but also in a "we're joking about how some of these white people see us" kinda way), and it wasn't so offensive... still trashy though. But NOWADAYS.. It's like it recycled itself, and now I think it's even worse because of how some parts of black America has changed.
Honestly, I think it depends on what school of feminism you come from.
First wave (women are people too) and third wave (women should have all the rights men have) I'm totally in agreement with. A lot of post-feminist writing too. The small but vocal group of 'castrationists' scare the hell out of me though.
I live in Portland, Oregon. I had a friend who took a womans' studies class. Her name is Kehli and she's small, cute, and has a bit of an agro side. I asked her what it was like, and her response was "It's a lecture hour where I leave feeling guilty for not having been born a dyke in a ditch in africa.". The 'highpoint' (I guess you'd call it) was when she challenged the class to think critically about something. The topic of sexual orientation came up. My buddy Kehli doesn't see the 'gay/bi/straight' scale as much as 'you love who you love, gender isn't important' and she's someone you'd peg as 'straight as an arrow'. When she brought this radical idea up, a good portion of the class, professor included, came down on her like a sack of angry bricks. Why? Because she challenged the identity of a bunch of self-described 'Hard core feminist bull-dykes who don't take shit'. She ended up having to drop the class from how much shit she was taking on a daily basis from the people that felt that she was attacking them.
Basically, I think that being an intolerable (and intolerant) asshole is ingrained into human nature. I really don't know where I'm going with this except a bad anecdotal story about from 'the oppressed'. Fuck, I dunno, put on 'Everyone's a little bit racist' from Avenue Q and I guess it'll get my story across better.
First wave (women are people too) and third wave (women should have all the rights men have) I'm totally in agreement with. A lot of post-feminist writing too. The small but vocal group of 'castrationists' scare the hell out of me though.
I live in Portland, Oregon. I had a friend who took a womans' studies class. Her name is Kehli and she's small, cute, and has a bit of an agro side. I asked her what it was like, and her response was "It's a lecture hour where I leave feeling guilty for not having been born a dyke in a ditch in africa.". The 'highpoint' (I guess you'd call it) was when she challenged the class to think critically about something. The topic of sexual orientation came up. My buddy Kehli doesn't see the 'gay/bi/straight' scale as much as 'you love who you love, gender isn't important' and she's someone you'd peg as 'straight as an arrow'. When she brought this radical idea up, a good portion of the class, professor included, came down on her like a sack of angry bricks. Why? Because she challenged the identity of a bunch of self-described 'Hard core feminist bull-dykes who don't take shit'. She ended up having to drop the class from how much shit she was taking on a daily basis from the people that felt that she was attacking them.
Basically, I think that being an intolerable (and intolerant) asshole is ingrained into human nature. I really don't know where I'm going with this except a bad anecdotal story about from 'the oppressed'. Fuck, I dunno, put on 'Everyone's a little bit racist' from Avenue Q and I guess it'll get my story across better.
1) Everyone looks the same, there's only two kind of people hot and ugly =(
2) They shouldn't wear pants with words on the ass, that's just asking for something bad to happen.
3) Feminazis stand out more-so than real feminists so they'll get more attention and thus become the stereotype. Though honestly I think feminism along with any group dedicated to a good cause is dead and now everyone just does things for attention, or ultimately money and power. Nothing means anything anymore.
Basically this has been my view since I was a kid. You can't judge a person by the group they're in and you can't judge a group by one person.
So far it's been true =\
2) They shouldn't wear pants with words on the ass, that's just asking for something bad to happen.
3) Feminazis stand out more-so than real feminists so they'll get more attention and thus become the stereotype. Though honestly I think feminism along with any group dedicated to a good cause is dead and now everyone just does things for attention, or ultimately money and power. Nothing means anything anymore.
Basically this has been my view since I was a kid. You can't judge a person by the group they're in and you can't judge a group by one person.
So far it's been true =\
On point number 3, if you're interested, there's a comic called 'Y The Last Man'. It's an interesting work, it basically poses the question 'What if all the men on the planet died?' and it happens, leaving only two males left, an amateur escape artist named Yorick Brown, and his helper monkey Ampersand. It gets pretty crazy, especially when they bring out the feminists, and what they're like once they have the run of the world...
It's not exactly family friendly, but it's a pretty sweet series, and very VERY well written.
It's not exactly family friendly, but it's a pretty sweet series, and very VERY well written.
I tell ya, I didn't realize just HOW prevalent racism still is UNTIL we got a black president. Same with chauvinism and Hillary's campaign. There were an awful lot of unkind words passed around based on gentalia or skin color that made no sense. I personally find it awkward to label the president black when he has a white mother. Goes to show that we still label people based on skin color rather than any real regards to their actual ethnicity. Though frankly, I don't think ethnicity even matters. I'd vote for an Iraqi-American over any WASP American if they had better policies and voting record.
What are your thoughts on Palin's vice presidential nomination? I was confused myself after seeing other female Republicans speak with what was (in my opinion) better thought out views that were in line with McCain's own (initially) moderate position. Did you think Palin's nomination was just manipulating a radical-feminist base (the extreme faction that supported candidates based on their gender) or that it was more due to her conservative viewpoint? Do you believe her claims of media discrimination are legitimate in all cases, or just some?
What are your thoughts on Palin's vice presidential nomination? I was confused myself after seeing other female Republicans speak with what was (in my opinion) better thought out views that were in line with McCain's own (initially) moderate position. Did you think Palin's nomination was just manipulating a radical-feminist base (the extreme faction that supported candidates based on their gender) or that it was more due to her conservative viewpoint? Do you believe her claims of media discrimination are legitimate in all cases, or just some?
I'm all for a better realization and understanding of human rights, but just a few points:
humans, male or female, under certain conditions, lose sense of reason.
I'm pretty sure this would sound like a blunt statement with no specific direction for some people (as there are many examples of this, such as drugs, which are even sometimes used as an excuse to escape responsibility of actions people usually would bar themselves from doing) but this is where I'm getting at; when a person sees something that activates the release of hormones, that person constantly has to struggle to keep his/her civility and not turn into a horny bastard. With that in mind, you might might imagine that it's frustrating to have to put up with a chemical message saying "aww yeah baby go tap that shit" and expending so much energy in order to fight a primitive, yet powerful, urge.
Now I don't mean to suggest that a dude have a right to say "bitches deserve to be raped." In fact, I dare say that it's more like "jesus fuck, why can't I have it?" which, I'm thinking, would be the result of psychological stress; since a guy can't just go up and say "I want to do the crazy monkey dance with you" without sounding like a pervert and getting maced in the face, a subconscious urge resists and tries to go around the cage they put over themselves. The result is a warped message out of anger, such as "dykes"
However I wouldn't excuse someone
humans, male or female, under certain conditions, lose sense of reason.
I'm pretty sure this would sound like a blunt statement with no specific direction for some people (as there are many examples of this, such as drugs, which are even sometimes used as an excuse to escape responsibility of actions people usually would bar themselves from doing) but this is where I'm getting at; when a person sees something that activates the release of hormones, that person constantly has to struggle to keep his/her civility and not turn into a horny bastard. With that in mind, you might might imagine that it's frustrating to have to put up with a chemical message saying "aww yeah baby go tap that shit" and expending so much energy in order to fight a primitive, yet powerful, urge.
Now I don't mean to suggest that a dude have a right to say "bitches deserve to be raped." In fact, I dare say that it's more like "jesus fuck, why can't I have it?" which, I'm thinking, would be the result of psychological stress; since a guy can't just go up and say "I want to do the crazy monkey dance with you" without sounding like a pervert and getting maced in the face, a subconscious urge resists and tries to go around the cage they put over themselves. The result is a warped message out of anger, such as "dykes"
However I wouldn't excuse someone
woops, I accidentaly the send button
continuing from above tl;dr, I ment to say:
The result is a warped message out of anger, such as calling someone a dyke
however I wouldn't excuse someone having lived over a certain time period from having malicious opinions, and then keep those damaging opinions while rejecting further intelligence.
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what was I doing, again?
continuing from above tl;dr, I ment to say:
The result is a warped message out of anger, such as calling someone a dyke
however I wouldn't excuse someone having lived over a certain time period from having malicious opinions, and then keep those damaging opinions while rejecting further intelligence.
...
what was I doing, again?
yeah racism isn't dead. Quite a bit of it shifted. Blacks are racist against whites, blacks are racist against blacks, white are racist against blacks.
What alot of it boils down to is people want to be on top. Survival of the fittest you know? As humans we have supressed quite a bit of our more animialistic urges. As a result we got politics. We, as humans, NEED a reason to fight. Sometimes its small stupid stuff, sometimes its racism, sometimes its something else entirely. We are too suppressed as a whole, so when one guy does something even a little out there, it becomes WAAAAAY out there.
What alot of it boils down to is people want to be on top. Survival of the fittest you know? As humans we have supressed quite a bit of our more animialistic urges. As a result we got politics. We, as humans, NEED a reason to fight. Sometimes its small stupid stuff, sometimes its racism, sometimes its something else entirely. We are too suppressed as a whole, so when one guy does something even a little out there, it becomes WAAAAAY out there.
And if anything, The reason we have a black president could be racism in itself. Just look what happen with Oprah.
Though personally.. I think its darker more evil secrets. Personally I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist and i think the "9=11 was an inside job" people were right! Cept they are blaming not exactly the right people. Personally i feel Bush was a puppet to be used by what is now the Obama administration. And Obama is still a puppet himself. Personally, I think there is someone else, who will likely be our next "President" to fix these long years of corruption since at least the bill Clinton era. Probably way before hand. Like back with the Social security numbers. Can't do anything without that number, but the moment someone else gets it, you are fucked.
Though personally.. I think its darker more evil secrets. Personally I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist and i think the "9=11 was an inside job" people were right! Cept they are blaming not exactly the right people. Personally i feel Bush was a puppet to be used by what is now the Obama administration. And Obama is still a puppet himself. Personally, I think there is someone else, who will likely be our next "President" to fix these long years of corruption since at least the bill Clinton era. Probably way before hand. Like back with the Social security numbers. Can't do anything without that number, but the moment someone else gets it, you are fucked.
Do I get a cookie for reading all that? I honstly feel I should get a cookie..
Oh and allso, Hes not black..Hes mixed...
allso Mixes get the worse shit, My sisters kids are mixed and even my aunt (who lives with them) treats them like there some horrble mutant (SP) my sisters gotten things thrown at her at her church when they see how tan her kids are..
Just felt like that point needed to be touched on
Oh and allso, Hes not black..Hes mixed...
allso Mixes get the worse shit, My sisters kids are mixed and even my aunt (who lives with them) treats them like there some horrble mutant (SP) my sisters gotten things thrown at her at her church when they see how tan her kids are..
Just felt like that point needed to be touched on
Sexism in general is not dead, and I have to say it is not all on the side of the men. I was put out of a job because I did not agree that I would be guilty if a woman was raped.
"Did I know the perpetrator or the victim?"
"No"
"Could I have prevented it?"
"No"
"Was I present when it took place? Could I have caught him in the act?"
"No"
"Did I introduce them? Was I in a position of arranging the party? Did I provide the alcohol?"
"No"
"Was I even anywhere near when this happened?"
"No"
"...okay, then, no I don't feel *guilty* - I'm sympathetic and angry..."
"You should feel guilty."
"???"
"You're a man."
*long pause - I mean a really long pause*
"Um, so an accident of birth means I'm guilty of rape?"
Now, mind you, I'm one of the liburelest of libruls when it comes to folks rights - so I was particularly nonplussed by this line of reasoning. But it was enough to put me out of a job.
Let me also add that there is also no recourse for a man who is battered in a relationship. None whatsoever. If you're a man and you're being abused, tough crap. All the shelters are for women, and damned if you can go there - you're a man, so you must be the abuser, not the abused.
One thing left off of this teeter-totter is the equal protection for men from this same kind of discrimination and abuse: and no, "fair's fair" isn't right either. It happens all too often that the oppressed become the oppressor.
"Did I know the perpetrator or the victim?"
"No"
"Could I have prevented it?"
"No"
"Was I present when it took place? Could I have caught him in the act?"
"No"
"Did I introduce them? Was I in a position of arranging the party? Did I provide the alcohol?"
"No"
"Was I even anywhere near when this happened?"
"No"
"...okay, then, no I don't feel *guilty* - I'm sympathetic and angry..."
"You should feel guilty."
"???"
"You're a man."
*long pause - I mean a really long pause*
"Um, so an accident of birth means I'm guilty of rape?"
Now, mind you, I'm one of the liburelest of libruls when it comes to folks rights - so I was particularly nonplussed by this line of reasoning. But it was enough to put me out of a job.
Let me also add that there is also no recourse for a man who is battered in a relationship. None whatsoever. If you're a man and you're being abused, tough crap. All the shelters are for women, and damned if you can go there - you're a man, so you must be the abuser, not the abused.
One thing left off of this teeter-totter is the equal protection for men from this same kind of discrimination and abuse: and no, "fair's fair" isn't right either. It happens all too often that the oppressed become the oppressor.
Wow, this comic has alot of comments. I even decided to read some of them. @.=.@;
About comic:
What else is there to say? It's simple and brings up the facts, opening some thoughts inside you.
And what comes to the comments on here....well, they are interesting, sometimes stupid and sometimes worth a chuckle. But really, I think I just learned something out from these comments.
*favs the comic*
About comic:
What else is there to say? It's simple and brings up the facts, opening some thoughts inside you.
And what comes to the comments on here....well, they are interesting, sometimes stupid and sometimes worth a chuckle. But really, I think I just learned something out from these comments.
*favs the comic*
"3) Some of this misogyny is present in how many people view feminists. At its core, feminism is the belief that a woman should have the right to choose to do whatever she wants in life without being told because she is a woman she cannot. Aside from positions like judges and scientists, this also means a woman has the right to be a stay at home Mom if she wants to. It is, at its heart, a very simple idea. Feminists are also not ALL female. I have had the pleasure of knowing male feminists, some of them even gay!
There are some examples of unkind depictions of men in our society as well, especially in our entertainment with the 'dumb Dad' phenomenon -- but it is still nowhere near as widespread as the persecution against women has been for centuries. Supporting feminism does not instantly mean not supporting men. Women can be misogynists too.
You will NEVER see me make a blanket statement about men. Individuals are individuals and blanket statements are very seldom true. If I am mad at a man or a group of men, I am mad at them and not the entire gender as that would be silly."
My reaction to this thought: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M2x.....p;feature=fvsr
http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs37/i/2.....by_Talik13.jpg
More specifically, this is a great pleasure to see individuals who understand that feminism is not a cult of *Apep* and sexism that pisses everyone WITHOUT EXCEPTION.
If I can add my two cents, I sometimes hear people say stupid stuff that you probably know about lesbians and when I hear this nonsense I still have the same humorous question in my mind "It is true that I prefer female individuals that the male individuals in terms of sex, but does that to me someone who is misandry?"
The humor (if I can call it humor) in this question is that I am a male individual.
*= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apep
PS: Why is it that I have not discovered this comic before?
There are some examples of unkind depictions of men in our society as well, especially in our entertainment with the 'dumb Dad' phenomenon -- but it is still nowhere near as widespread as the persecution against women has been for centuries. Supporting feminism does not instantly mean not supporting men. Women can be misogynists too.
You will NEVER see me make a blanket statement about men. Individuals are individuals and blanket statements are very seldom true. If I am mad at a man or a group of men, I am mad at them and not the entire gender as that would be silly."
My reaction to this thought: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M2x.....p;feature=fvsr
http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs37/i/2.....by_Talik13.jpg
More specifically, this is a great pleasure to see individuals who understand that feminism is not a cult of *Apep* and sexism that pisses everyone WITHOUT EXCEPTION.
If I can add my two cents, I sometimes hear people say stupid stuff that you probably know about lesbians and when I hear this nonsense I still have the same humorous question in my mind "It is true that I prefer female individuals that the male individuals in terms of sex, but does that to me someone who is misandry?"
The humor (if I can call it humor) in this question is that I am a male individual.
*= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apep
PS: Why is it that I have not discovered this comic before?
My thoughts exactly everyone thinks that misandry doesn't exists, but it does, and it not just in "romantic comedies" bro it's everywhere, especially with shit like this floating around the internet http://www.furaffinity.net/view/123...../#cid:78271641, I would like to see technicolor_pie response to this, but she probably won't cause men are disposable and are nothing but a joke right?
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