Science fiction focusing on character interaction / relationships? Gay men in space? UNACSHEPTABLE MORE PLASTIC MODELS

At first I was wondering whether the writer knew how sexist he was being, but then I saw the author name. "Pro-male/anti-feminist Tech".

Golly gee-willickers, Agouti-rex, this comic made me lol.

Ohhh. The Spearhead.

Yeah any site that has Roissy write for them and pimps Roosh's books has to be full of utter shit.

Hey, the spear head, do you think that represents something, like, you know, is it a symbol for something else he wants to be waving in peoples faces?

Well gosh, maybe! Oh, but what could it be symbolic of? So hard to figure out since its so totally subtle.

;)

His rapier wit?

Yeah, that must be it.

For a second there I was afraid it might be a phallic symbol or something!

What in God's name does the Sci-Fi Channel (SyFy, or whatever the hell it is this week) have to do with Science Fiction? Crack a fucking book, blogtard!

I find the uh... "Original Programming" done by SyFy to be far more dilaterious effect on the SF field than any Woman... okay, maybe C.J. Cherryh, but she seems pretty harmless now.

everyone knows sci fi channel sucks so he does it to get the readier to agree with him

what's wrong with cherryh i read one of her books and it was pretty ownzin'

How come the only thing I can imagine this guy as is a sweaty fat nerd with acne, a balding head with a ponytail, and a shirt three sizes too small? Talking about how girls and girly things are so icky and gays can't even anything done because they only care about relationships (What pussies am i rite) and that science fiction is STRAIGHT MENS ONLY >8C.

I mean, god, it's as if the SciFi/Syfy channel were a TV broadcasting station and was involved in the world of business or something!

I imagine this guy being a man in the mold of Robert Heinlein or L. Ron Hubbard. Just ridiculously sexist chauvinist blowhards who would probably totally be into Ayn Rand if she wasn't a woman with scary ideas about sex, as opposed to themselves.

nah, Ayn Rand's sexual dogma basically comes down to "all women just need a good man to come along and rape the shit out of them."

At the Number Six Dance later on.

f-f-f-faved

Someone commenting talking about shows his mother watches on TV: "All of them had strong female leads(...)" HOLY SHIT, CAN'T HAVE THAT

Racer X October 15, 2009 at 6:05 pm

All these geeky, science and science fiction chicks getting all worked up…nice.

Sounds like a whole new crop for Racer X to harvest. Clearly, many of them are in need of a good fuck. I shall make that my mission as well my contribution to whatever futuristic world is out there.


what

is that a 'raping uppity females' fantasy oh boy

p.s. named myself after either speed racer or speed metal

I've had a look at his blog and posts elsewhere and he's like, fixated

The only thing he seems to talk about if there's women around is how they just need a good fucking from him and everything will be okay. Its somewhat disturbing.

Sounds positively Gorean:

http://community.livejournal.com/we.....ck/345217.html

Ahaha

literary classix

"Men hand out cigars. Women “hand out” babies."

Holy shit. I could read the article up to that line. Wow.

Yeah, when I hit that line I just kept re-reading it, sure I must have read it wrong. I mean, I'm used to subtle sexism from ass-holes, but that was fucking overt as shit!

by the way, did you get any help for this coloring? It's FANTASTIC.

I am following your advice C:

Just read the article, and I have to agree with some of it. Personally, I don't watch TV anymore, and a good portion of that is because the shows have all turned to pure shit. I don't want to watch some bullshit drama-fest concerning a love triangle between best friends, or listen to some weeping moron discuss their feelings. For Christ's sake, I'd be watching the television for entertainment, not the same shit you can see on any daytime talk show.

I have no problem with strong female characters or leading females. But I do have issues when shows only focus on crap like relationships, feelings, oppressed sexuality, or any other popular trend.

Call me old-fashioned, but today's "entertainment" sucks more cock than your average sexually-confused college student.

See the humor comes from how you don't understand what a piece of shit you are.

Comedic genius!

No, actually, I don't watch television or science fiction. I just wanted to see who'd be the first to reply to my post.

By I do agree with manawolfman. There needs to be less drama shit on TV. Or in life in general. Entertainment is supposed to be mindless, right?

"Entertainment is supposed to be mindless, right?"

Well people like to have something they can connect to in their entertainment so I can certainly see why you feel that way.

oh, burn!

Hey! You kids play nice!

Oh, you know I love poking the hornet's nest with a stick. And you know you love the ensuing drama.

You read me like a book, good sir C:

Well played, sir!

Avoiding the most of it (as in, I'm not taking a side here), I'll jump in here and point out that instead of offering evidence to refute some kind of point, you went directly for the person, chose to call names, and prettymuch shot any chance you had at coming across as tolerant or pluralistic toward those with viewpoints differing for your own. The insults continued below.

I'm wondering...

Will I be the next target in the mudslinging for saying this, or be actually proven wrong with logic?

prove what wrong

what do you want me to argue with you about

You... do realize there's a difference between something being shit and something not being the sort of entertainment you like, right? Just because YOU don't like shows with relationships, feelings, etc. doesn't mean it's bad. It just means you don't like it. You can't measure something objective.

Erum... you, you mean something subjective right?

Christ man, do you even listen to yourself?

See, this is why you have an imaginary girlfriend as opposed to a real one.

haha OH wow, I need to stop trying to post in multiple threads simultaneously, sorry Technicolor pie, this comment was NOT directed at you, I shall wear my moron hat proudly.

You sure about that" Because, you know, very little actual information about me is on the internet.

Meh I figure I got about a 50/50 chance on it :p

seriously though sci-fi doesn't always have to be about action and manly men doing things, good science fiction can analyze the affects that a world with that level of technology has on people, part of that would include how people relate to one another, in y'know relatioships. The anti-feminist ranting in the article has very little constructed stuff to say, and the peice linked in it by the original starbuck actor smacks of "BAWWWWWW THEY DIDN'T INVITE ME"

Were you a sexually-confused college student? That would explain a lot.

Never went to college. Never got an "art degree". And yet here I am, making a living from drawing the kind of crap people like to hang in their homes. Who'da thunk it?

And as for being sexually confused, I'm afraid I'll have to answer that with a firm "no". I'm a guy, a male. And since males have been mating with females for eons, and producing offspring, I'd have to say that's how the system is inteded to work. So, yeah, I've always dated women. No confusion there.

Sorry if I got your hopes up.

Oh, right. So it wasn't intended as just a homophobic statement, but anti-college too. :3

Uh oh, I fail on both those counts...

That's okay, man. I won't hold it against you.

But you apparently think that I go against how the system is supposed to work~

psst! c'mere! i got a secret to tell you! there is no system aside from what you follow yourself! pass it on!

That's silly. There's clearly a system. It's simply that non-heterosexual orientations are part of the same system.

There are better ways to blend fantasy and drama, as many good kids shows will tell you. Science Fiction can be more difficult, but once again it all takes a bit of balance. I think 1/4 drama, 3/4 sci-fi is the optimal mix, as it means that you get a good chunk of plot for an episode, but have enough time at the end or elsewhere for character development and the like. And if there is anything TV needs more of, it's character development. As for SyFy, the new name is kind of stupid, and if people wanted mostly drama, there are plenty of shows on Network TV that will get their fix much better. The fact is, SciFi is a niche group, and your best bet at keeping that group is playing to what they like. Girly girls will watch Gilmore Girls and other relationship dramas, while SciFi chicks will enjoy Star Trek as much as the next nerd, and agree that Han shot first.

In the amazing future all people will be two dimensional cutouts who have suppressed silly useless things like emotions, and women will have large chests, and be attracted to men with mathematical and engineering knowledge, since women are woefully inadequate in these fields and need stable stoic men to compensate for their occasional irrationality.

Things that have been whitewashed from history, such as sexual deviance, political intrigue, racism, sexism, guilt for successful genocide, and human quirks and foibles of every kind will continue to go unnoticed and not affect time between now and then one whit. Ah, what great science fiction we will have! I can't wait for morally upright capitalists motivated by rational self interest in space, always carrying around at least one nerd just waiting for his moment to shine and become a messiah and win himself a buxom woman being menaced by some fiendish alien race.

The people of the future will be just like the values voters conference only in shiny cloths, after all, morality doesn't change regardless of change in environment and circumstance that technological advancement always brings! Submissive women pumping out babies and square jawed jocks saving the universe will never go out of style, and lets not think too hard about where the Flash Gordon theme song came from, right?

I really like the space suit.

If the new BSG and the New Who are this guy's prime examples of what is wrong with science fiction today may he forever be unhappy. Holy crap. I've always liked science fiction that wasn't just wankery about cosmological theories that had been discarded the prior decade. When I imagine the future I want to know what it's like to live there, not just what makes it's infrastructure works, but how society lives with whatever gimmick technology said future contains. Battlestar Galactica was the most intence study of the difference, or lack there of, between made humans and born humans. It sort of tore down the concept of "artificial" intelligence as an inadequate construct, since once a robot is intelligent, conscious, self aware and motivated it's just plain intelligent. It's basically the Frankenstein story over again. Just because we make a thing doesn't mean we own it, certainly not if it thinks for itself. Even if it doesn't feel or want what we want.

The Scifi channel in any incarnation has never been a reliable source of good TV, but I'd say it's definitely been better the past couple of years than it has been in it's history, and if that is because of a secret feminist agenda then I for one welcome our cleft crotched overlords.

Oh, that reminds me, didn't a woman invent the genre in the first place by repackaging the story of the Golem with scientific tropes rather than religious ones?

The interaction of technology and human psychology is the most interesting part of science fiction for me, and I know a lot of science fiction is just a lot of trash about theoretical engeneering you've read about in popular mechanics becoming real, Oh boy! But new technologies are pointless if they don't mean new things for people, it's always the people who are interested.

Also, BSG's female starbuck definitely had larger testicles than the fairy who played him in the original seventies incarnation. Dude didn't even watch the show, just heard they changed a character's gender and got all butthurt.

And is this guy really angry about Jack Harkness having sex with aliens? Really? That is the central dream of the whole space oprea genre isn't it? To be captain Kirk, kicking ass, punching some dude in the gut and then karate chopping his ass and making out with some kind of gooey antigravity jellyfish who has determined that human genetics must be widely underrated, and must be sampled.

I have to say both I and my wife found both Rose and Martha in the "New Who" obnoxious and transparent Mary Sue fodder and the Ninth Doctor a magnificently broken woobie for Rosie-Sue or Captain-Yaoi to snuggle up against, The Tenth Doctor only slightly less so until he grows a pair and hooks up with Donna.

It's really a pretty blatant dumbing down of characters into 2d paper dolls for people (not gonna say girls) to write slash fics about.
Not that the older series are innocent either it's just that Ace never started dry humping Doctor Seven on screen...

Also Artificial Intelligence has been a flawed term from the beginning what we are really trying for is not Artificial (not real) but Synthetic (created not in nature) but you've proved you understand that.

I won't comment on Battlestar since I was never able to get into it just that things were so dense with people yelling at each other I was never able to jump in

Well thank goodness your wife also found some British actresses annoying too, otherwise it might come off sounding a little sexist! And heaven forbid that male roles should be written with an eye toward making the character endearingly powerful yet vulnerable, viewers are supposed to get emotionally involved with women only, jeeze.

But yeah, lol, I'm totally with you on the issue of Jack Harkness, I mean, a bisexual character, played by a gay actor, who's sexuality is occasionally the subject of humor really is as bad as softcore porn starring a robot dog, am I right? Not in my future Mr! Machines should be complicated, people aught to conform to popular archetypes!

... srsly
If you could re-type that with a little less sarcasm it would be a bit more readable.
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Look Doctor 9 was a whiner. You have ALL space and time to work through your issues, get some therapy.
I'll concede that Martha grew from a character infatuated with the Doctor to a strong independent woman.
I'll even give you that by the 31st century, when all social diseases are wiped out, social norms may have changed enough that Captain Mc. Harassment-suit could rise through the ranks to be given a time ship.
But nothing can convince me that Rose x Doctor is anything more than Twilight level Mary Sue!

nBSG is as good as New Doctor Who is terrible. Dirk Benedict is a massive asshole who is probably still butthurt over not getting to play the Cylon God, and Russel T. Davies' terrible writing and characterization has nothing to do with him being gay and everything to do with him aspiring to be some sort of terrible clone of Joss Whedon.

Holy crap...

dr. cuddles is qt lets go on a d8

AARRRRRRRRRRRRGH! MY FUCKING MOON IS ALL RED NOW!!!

i bet he's not even a real doctor... like doctor Phil

I like how fandom in general seems to feel like they're just in a big treehouse, and then one kid brings his little sister in and makes the space marine action figures start kissing each other and having tea parties, and the kids that have been there the longest are all "NOOOOOOOO, YOU'RE RUINING EVERYTHING!"

Similar thing happened with Twilight at Comicon this year. Only, Twilight kind of has some really disturbing sexism in there to begin with, so yeah.

thank you

C'est bien connu : les hommes viennent de Mars et les femmes viennent de Venus... ^^

poil à l'anus !

Effectivement, reste à déterminer ce qui vient d'Uranus...

les babyfurs ?

Hum... Voyons... Pourquoi uniquement les babyfurs !?

I hate when I bleed all over the moon.

You mean your butt, don't you? :) ZING!

You WISH. :B

MURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

old school nerd misogynists are the worst misogynists

Word.

"Slash fiction is a form of fan fiction written primarily by women where characters in science fiction TV shows are gay and have homosexual relationships completely contrary to the established canon of the show." They're gay AND have homosexual relationships? People write fanfiction that doesn't follow canon? Sacré bleu!

Y'know, I'm going to write a short story that exemplifies everything Dirk values in modern science fiction. It's going to be called "Captain Testicle and all the Awesome Shit he does like Fix Warp Drives and Press Buttons While Remaining Stoic, Sexually Dominant and Not Gay".

I'm fapping already!

wasn't that Halo?

It's been done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_S.....Galaxy_Rangers

"Star Smashers of the Galaxy Rangers (1973) is a comic science fiction novel by Harry Harrison. It is about two young men who accidentally invent a device that can transport them through space, powered by a substance called "Cheddite", which is created by irradiating cheddar cheese."

Yep, and then it continues from there in the best two-fisted he-man pulp SF tradition. One of the funniest sendups of the genre ever written.

Blatantly sexist - but not without it's fundimental truth. Science fiction has had less to do with science of late. But I'm not sure women are to blaim.

And then again, watch a show like Charmed, where every male guest is evil and stupid, and need to be punished by rightous girl power every week without exception. Or actually watch any episode from season 1 of Torchwood. The man does have a point about the very trashy end of the spectrum.

I think the rot set in around X-Files, which was basically seven years of 'science is useless'. Buffy the Vampire Slayer though is where things went off the deep end. Can anyone name one, just one, time they saw anyone use a mobile phone on that show? Now can anyone remember *not* owning a mobile phone when they watched Buffy? There's something sad about a genre that refuses to move on because it becomes frightened of telling new stories.

It seems the dickhead who wrote that article has never seen this little known sci-fi gem called Aliens.

Goddamnit, those girls that spurned me, I'MMA GONNA SHOW THEM. *writes angry bullshit*

I swear this must be what Confucius had, too.

That really is the best description of Confucianism.

<a href="http://www.somethinghappens.net/d/2.....tml">I never hearda sucha thing.</a>

Oh, fine, no html coding.

http://www.somethinghappens.net/d/20070912.html

There.

Hahahahahah

You know what really holds it together? The expression of the guy with the cigarette in the first panel. It's such a control room expression that I can literally hear that raspy Lloyd Bridges voice.

"I KNEW I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue!"

Spac

Yeah I'm sure that because the boys of today have to be exposed to all this "girl stuff" they won't become engineers and we won't have our glorious Jetsons future with flying cars and 50's gender relations.

Fuck that, I confess I like explosions and one dimensional characters as props for the awesome cool gadgets just as much as the next guy but I also liked the reimagined Battlestar Galactica for not relying on pointless technobabble that has as much to do with science as soap operas. What's makes Science fiction interesting is the speculations about how new technologies and changes influence societies and individuals. That includes effects on relationships and sexual relations and other "girl stuff" I'm obviously not supposed to like.

Besides even if new sci-fi shows appeal more to girls what's wrong with that, they can become scientists and engineers too you know. Damn sexist bastard.

Besides it's not like most movie and television sci-fi has ever been about the science part. Usually it's just an excuse for having things happen in space, with lasers. That's nothing new even if there may be more plot now. Hasn't that guy watched Star Trek it's all about ethics, relations and characters. If you want real science fiction you have to read books and I hope the engineers of the future will have done that.

"However, many boys who would have gone on to make scientific discoveries and invent new technologies will not do so since they will never be inspired by science fiction as boys."

And girls can't grow up to be engineers?

God that article was hard to read without me wanting to go throwing up in my mouth.

I agree that Sci-fi has become less about science and more about fiction, and the sci-fi channel sucks, but the sci-fi channel as pretty much always sucked. The only reason they have any viewers at all is because there aren't any other purely sci-fi based channels. Oh God guise, I'm going to bleed all over your phasers and cry about being dumped and make babies all over your spaceship; when I should be in the kitchen too busy doing chores to watch tv or think about all of that astro-physics stuff.

Christ, it hurts reading something where the writer has a germ of a real point hidden somewhere in a curdled, clotted mass of batshit insane conclusions. Yeah, I hate when movies or TV shows shoehorn romance into places where it's not necessary (someone said it was as if all stories had to somehow contain elements of a western), but to blame some nebulous conspiracy-o-cunts is just weird. Put the blame where it belongs: the all-encompassing blandification of damn near all entertainment, plus lazy writers who endlessly recycle shit like a dog eating out of a catbox. If all that's true about the 'syfy' network, the explanation is the same as just about anywhere else that media sucks: when content is determined by looking at demographics, crap inevitably results.

This site is a parody of itself.

http://www.the-spearhead.com/?s=gay

"Although some of the feminists and race liberators did, in fact, deploy Marxist theories openly, most did not do so, while they nevertheless read from the new cultural Marxist reinterpretation of history as being nothing but a story of domination by straight, white men to the detriment of women, minorities and gays."

. . .

This is not anti-Feminism, it's neurotic masculin...ism. It's the same kind of reactionism that's made sardonic bitches the pop-culture counterfeit of a strong female lead.

Have these blokes ever heard of "space opera", or "that melodramatic hit-and-miss subgenre that we used to liken Star Wars to back when we read trashy books instead of playing one-dimensional video games"?

CLEARLY BUTTSEX WITH DAVE SIM WOULD SOLVE ALL THIS MAN'S PROBLEMS

The funny thing is, I remember old sci-fi TV shows... shows like Battlestar Galactica, Lost in Space, Star Trek, etc...

Nearly all of them were awful. Few of them contained any science, either. They were sometimes lovable for how campy and fun they were, like Star Trek, but most were just awful and deserved to get cancelled, like Battlestar shit-heap-tica.

Seriously, nothing in BG got any nerd to go into engineering. Their use of science made Star Trek's "Reverse the polarity" and "Tachyon Field" sound like college courses. It was just a bunch of bland, 2-D, derivative characters playing cowboy in space against enemies that couldn't even qualify as 2-D.

The other funny thing is people like him don't realize how blatantly, visibly retarded they are and actually think there's some silent majority agreeing with them. Like some parts of your comment section.

someone was spurred on prom night.

The author of that articl never read any Asimov! And he's one of the GREATEST sci-fi writers to have lived. And he supported women's rights. In fact, the main character of a number of his robot stories was a woman, Dr. Susan Calvin, a very plain looking woman who was single her entire life.

I like my romance to have brains and content behind it. I’m not much of a sci-fi fan, but I had a brief interest in Data, and that was all about stuff related to androids and how they think; is it possible to cause things to happen in their minds that aren’t supported by their programming?; about consciousness and what it is; about being /real/ and what that means; about the horror of feeling like someone exists one moment, and then in the next you feel like there is nothing there but an object; accepting entities of a different kind as you accept yourself; etc. Those seem like the kinds of things that science fiction would explore, and if there is drama or slash about those things – drama with the /idea/ in the heart of it– point me to that conceptual romance. But if there is just a superficial setting, motif, ‘science-fiction” label placed on a thing, and the important science-fiction ideas are only in the background as a kind of secondary flavor to the soap opera style drama, that isn’t science fiction. Or at least, its barely so. I don’t want the drama to outweigh that which is the soul of the genre, but a good appreciation of the genera would lead me to want some drama /in the spirit of the genre./ The show shouldn’t be made for the drama, the drama should organically emerge from the genre-specific ideas. Human (and alien) romance, drama--whatever-- is just as good a sci-fi topic as any, if it is done right.

Holy shit you predicted the Star Wars farce awakens MRA bullshit!

I saw it coming!