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so many furries objectify fatness it makes me feel gross
fat people are beautiful but sometimes it sucks just being seen as a slab of meat hhah
fat people are beautiful but sometimes it sucks just being seen as a slab of meat hhah
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i feel like there is a difference between attraction to fat people and acknowledging that we ARE attractive, and objectifying us. like its cool to think fat people are hot! i think were hot too! i think im hot with fat n everything! but you can also kinda tell when people just see us as literally blobs of fat to stick their dicks in as opposed to like, People, with feelings. its a bit hard to explain the perspective i guess? its something i struggle with. being called a fetish kinda hurts though, is what im saying. like youre attracted to what we have rather than who we are
Intentionally I didn't want to write much, but now that everyone is pouring their heart out and it's all an interesting read, and I think my perspective is a slightly different one, I will so too.
Hmm, I wonder if you and me mean different things when we talk about fat fetish. But I find it hard to put into words.
I take the term here as a way of saying, 'you'll find mostly bigger characters in my gallery, and that is no accident.' I don't want to come across as someone who draws bigger people with a political statement in mind. Not that that is a bad thing, it's just not what I do primarely. First and foremost it is me drawing characters I feel a genuine attraction to.
And I think I get your description in theory? I don't know if I can on the other hand see through the pictures and get everyone's intention, though. And I asked with the hidden agenda if you find something offensive/problematic in my gallery as well.
Like I said, I read through what you and others wrote and I'm also not a fan of slobs and blobs and especially non-con, there's no arguing there. (And I cry a little because of the ridiculous money you can make even with the most heinously drawn blobs. :^/ )
(I'm still debating here if I should do the big round? ... but fuck it!)
I think I can tangentailly relate to how you feel about this topic. Before I joined (and completely moved to) FA my place to upload pictures was a Manga/Anime site (because that is the only relatively big German-speaking art community we have) and I don't know if you're aware? But Manga/Anime has a big focus on gay romance and the way it is usually depicted can also be called objectified or fetishized. (Categorizing charas by their sexual practices, the absence of any depth or 'character' in these so-called characters, the pressure to make everyone a fucking prince charming, and not to forget, the oh so common rape :^|)
It's mostly drawn and consumed by women and while I really don't mind that and really don't mind that it's primarly produced so someone can get off on that, it made me feel weird and uncomfortable when people labeled my characters (who happened to be gay, duh) with the same terms and put them into the same categories. It never made the jump to anything in real life for me, though. Besides maybe a few dumb questions, haha.
Oh! But I can pretty much point at some indicators that make me feel it's an objectifying picture or comic: For example, when characters are getting it on together and every human being on earth would be focussed on their partner ... but instead that guy for whatever reason turns his head towards the camera and winks *seductively* as if to say, isn't it sexy what we're doing here?
:^T
...
Oh man, Vince, I can totally get your need to talk about this topic right as I type this XD I could start a passionate rant about Bishis right this instant, hahaha.
But that aside: I would also love if we lived in a society where I wouldn't need a term like fat fetish or fat lover or whatever! If we wouldn't need any term is what I'm saying. I'm mostly on the other end of that issue than you, I think. I am not big myself, I'm just an ordinary, short and generally pretty unattractive dude XD But if I were to choose a bodytype I like best, it'd be a chubby one. And I'd love if that was something I could say right there outside in the real world without people translating that into: I'm a weirdo somehow. For the most part, I'm in the closet about this, except for some very good friends. And I enjoy the freedom here to draw whatever I like and find people who enjoy the same and so far, not being judged.
Outside I am oftentimes confronted with statements like (in short): 'I want to be loved as a whole, including my body that doesn't fit society's beautystandard. ... But not by *those* people.' And those people are fat admirers and alike. As if I, just because I happen to like other people with the same bodytype, automatically loose any human decency or the ability to be a good partner or something. I get this reflected so often that, just because I like this and that in a sexual way, I must be perverted and therefore can not see my partner as a human being with his own needs, thoughts, fantasies, agenda ... etc. There's no grey area out there, and you may think this is petty and I don't know, maybe this is the wrong place to write it, but I also don't want to be shamed all the time just for the thing that I haven't picked and that is such an integral part of my own sexuality.
(I am not trying to apologize weird behavior or anything. I hope that is clear.)
Hmm, I wonder if you and me mean different things when we talk about fat fetish. But I find it hard to put into words.
I take the term here as a way of saying, 'you'll find mostly bigger characters in my gallery, and that is no accident.' I don't want to come across as someone who draws bigger people with a political statement in mind. Not that that is a bad thing, it's just not what I do primarely. First and foremost it is me drawing characters I feel a genuine attraction to.
And I think I get your description in theory? I don't know if I can on the other hand see through the pictures and get everyone's intention, though. And I asked with the hidden agenda if you find something offensive/problematic in my gallery as well.
Like I said, I read through what you and others wrote and I'm also not a fan of slobs and blobs and especially non-con, there's no arguing there. (And I cry a little because of the ridiculous money you can make even with the most heinously drawn blobs. :^/ )
(I'm still debating here if I should do the big round? ... but fuck it!)
I think I can tangentailly relate to how you feel about this topic. Before I joined (and completely moved to) FA my place to upload pictures was a Manga/Anime site (because that is the only relatively big German-speaking art community we have) and I don't know if you're aware? But Manga/Anime has a big focus on gay romance and the way it is usually depicted can also be called objectified or fetishized. (Categorizing charas by their sexual practices, the absence of any depth or 'character' in these so-called characters, the pressure to make everyone a fucking prince charming, and not to forget, the oh so common rape :^|)
It's mostly drawn and consumed by women and while I really don't mind that and really don't mind that it's primarly produced so someone can get off on that, it made me feel weird and uncomfortable when people labeled my characters (who happened to be gay, duh) with the same terms and put them into the same categories. It never made the jump to anything in real life for me, though. Besides maybe a few dumb questions, haha.
Oh! But I can pretty much point at some indicators that make me feel it's an objectifying picture or comic: For example, when characters are getting it on together and every human being on earth would be focussed on their partner ... but instead that guy for whatever reason turns his head towards the camera and winks *seductively* as if to say, isn't it sexy what we're doing here?
:^T
...
Oh man, Vince, I can totally get your need to talk about this topic right as I type this XD I could start a passionate rant about Bishis right this instant, hahaha.
But that aside: I would also love if we lived in a society where I wouldn't need a term like fat fetish or fat lover or whatever! If we wouldn't need any term is what I'm saying. I'm mostly on the other end of that issue than you, I think. I am not big myself, I'm just an ordinary, short and generally pretty unattractive dude XD But if I were to choose a bodytype I like best, it'd be a chubby one. And I'd love if that was something I could say right there outside in the real world without people translating that into: I'm a weirdo somehow. For the most part, I'm in the closet about this, except for some very good friends. And I enjoy the freedom here to draw whatever I like and find people who enjoy the same and so far, not being judged.
Outside I am oftentimes confronted with statements like (in short): 'I want to be loved as a whole, including my body that doesn't fit society's beautystandard. ... But not by *those* people.' And those people are fat admirers and alike. As if I, just because I happen to like other people with the same bodytype, automatically loose any human decency or the ability to be a good partner or something. I get this reflected so often that, just because I like this and that in a sexual way, I must be perverted and therefore can not see my partner as a human being with his own needs, thoughts, fantasies, agenda ... etc. There's no grey area out there, and you may think this is petty and I don't know, maybe this is the wrong place to write it, but I also don't want to be shamed all the time just for the thing that I haven't picked and that is such an integral part of my own sexuality.
(I am not trying to apologize weird behavior or anything. I hope that is clear.)
pour it out!! i definitely dont mind
i think you and i identified the word "fetish" differently too, reading this comment. not anyones fault, just misunderstandings. personally for me i never really got the vibe that you Only say fat people as like, a sexual object rather than actually attractive people. i genuinely do think its great to find fat people desirable, because i think we are damned hot too
you probably saw it from other replies, i feel like since my drawing and description both were in the heat of the moment that i didnt take the time to really say a lot of my feelings on the matter which are more complicated than face value. my mistake! it ended up a bit leaning towards the appearance of me being uncomfortable with any and all attraction to fatness, which isnt the case. i can accept the flub even though i wish i could have a do-over of it
ironically if were spilling our guts out here, i used to be really unhealthily underweight as a kid, like a very bony type of thing. not any eating disorders myself, but im a sickly person. it wasnt really a goal of mine that i ended up fat as an adult, but it happened and i made good peace with it faster than not, which i think is better compared to self loathing i know a lot of fat people struggle with, and i struggle with sometimes still too. a pleasant surprise too maybe, i like being a very hairy bear type of person actually. i feel handsome, my partners think im handsome inside and outside, its a nice feeling to be loved and wanted for multiple reasons
i dont think its being a weirdo to like fat people to begin with, but since We Live In A Society, people think its weird to be attracted to fat people, even if its innocent and not creepy. its not the individuals fault. if society were perfect, we wouldnt have the whole body fetish thing as a term to begin with probably, but its not perfect so here we are lmao
i really really appreciate the heartfelt reply though!! none of yall had to pour it out here but feeling safe enough to do so is really swell, i feel kind of honored and relieved to have nuanced conversations here on furaffinity of all places, den of wacky porn. even with different perspectives im grateful we can be civil and share without immediately tearing each other limb from limb, even though i know i personally can be a really passionate and snappy person that i fear the immediate assumption is that im out for blood. not really! if someone wanted to Actually hurt me or another then yea probably but this isnt it
i think you and i identified the word "fetish" differently too, reading this comment. not anyones fault, just misunderstandings. personally for me i never really got the vibe that you Only say fat people as like, a sexual object rather than actually attractive people. i genuinely do think its great to find fat people desirable, because i think we are damned hot too
you probably saw it from other replies, i feel like since my drawing and description both were in the heat of the moment that i didnt take the time to really say a lot of my feelings on the matter which are more complicated than face value. my mistake! it ended up a bit leaning towards the appearance of me being uncomfortable with any and all attraction to fatness, which isnt the case. i can accept the flub even though i wish i could have a do-over of it
ironically if were spilling our guts out here, i used to be really unhealthily underweight as a kid, like a very bony type of thing. not any eating disorders myself, but im a sickly person. it wasnt really a goal of mine that i ended up fat as an adult, but it happened and i made good peace with it faster than not, which i think is better compared to self loathing i know a lot of fat people struggle with, and i struggle with sometimes still too. a pleasant surprise too maybe, i like being a very hairy bear type of person actually. i feel handsome, my partners think im handsome inside and outside, its a nice feeling to be loved and wanted for multiple reasons
i dont think its being a weirdo to like fat people to begin with, but since We Live In A Society, people think its weird to be attracted to fat people, even if its innocent and not creepy. its not the individuals fault. if society were perfect, we wouldnt have the whole body fetish thing as a term to begin with probably, but its not perfect so here we are lmao
i really really appreciate the heartfelt reply though!! none of yall had to pour it out here but feeling safe enough to do so is really swell, i feel kind of honored and relieved to have nuanced conversations here on furaffinity of all places, den of wacky porn. even with different perspectives im grateful we can be civil and share without immediately tearing each other limb from limb, even though i know i personally can be a really passionate and snappy person that i fear the immediate assumption is that im out for blood. not really! if someone wanted to Actually hurt me or another then yea probably but this isnt it
I personally just say its more to love if someone loves you for your personality which is who you are and absolutely not just your body that's not real love. There is no shame whatsoever for having some or more pudge/weight. Plus i personally think people with a good amount of pudge are good lookin. No one has a perfect body either then it would be boring if everyone had the ideal "perfect" body but anyone can perfect in the eyes of others. In the short there's nothing wrong with bigger people. They're still people just like anyone aren't they so they should be treated like people not meat. I am agreeing with you just in my own way me myself have felt bad towards myself shaming hiding my body in the past but im mostly over it. Doctors have told me im "overweight" "fat" but no im just a big guy for my age 5 foot 9 inches about with wide and i mean wide shoulders so im practically a football player. I just got a big frame and a little weight; im lazy XP. I know this might be way different or off topic with different shames but similar. I know how you feel don't let it get to you and don't be embarrassed or uncomfortable i was.
I'm really sorry if I ever made you feel like a "slab of meat".
I really do care about the person under the flab because I myself am really fat irl. I know I wouldn't want others to see me just for my fat body and I wouldn't want to do the same to others.
Of course, since I'm a pervert, i have two accounts and this one is used exclusively for faving smut...
Whenever I'm not being NindoDragon, I try my best to promote body acceptance and I mainly fav stuff for the art and not the smut. I just use a different account so that people wont shame me for being into fat stuff...
I really do think big is beautiful and I wouldn't want to objectify anyone.
I'm sorry if I or someone like me ever made you feel that way.
I don't want my fetish to ever hurt others.
I really do care about the person under the flab because I myself am really fat irl. I know I wouldn't want others to see me just for my fat body and I wouldn't want to do the same to others.
Of course, since I'm a pervert, i have two accounts and this one is used exclusively for faving smut...
Whenever I'm not being NindoDragon, I try my best to promote body acceptance and I mainly fav stuff for the art and not the smut. I just use a different account so that people wont shame me for being into fat stuff...
I really do think big is beautiful and I wouldn't want to objectify anyone.
I'm sorry if I or someone like me ever made you feel that way.
I don't want my fetish to ever hurt others.
I feel this hard. My best friend and I were both heavily objectified by a person who had a fat fetish and they would show us their very fetishy objectifying artwork even tho we told them it made us uncomfortable. I think the worst incident was when they mentioned how they'd love to be able to watch my best friend eat and that they'd get such a thrill from it. Like no thanks our existence isn't for your sexual thrills.
big worm!!! drawing characters with my body type especially in sexual contexts is really good for my disastrous body image and it always sucks having people respond to attempts to say "this is one type of body thats allowed in these kinds of contexts just like any other" with just. more othering lmao
i already complained about these feelings on twitter but yeah, Big Mood (literally)
like it's either be objectified as a Bad Object and treated like you're lesser because you're not thin and therefore don't deserve to exist, or be objectified as a Sexy Object and get treated like a sex toy. both of these things completely ignore how You feel, and it fuckin sucks.
like it's either be objectified as a Bad Object and treated like you're lesser because you're not thin and therefore don't deserve to exist, or be objectified as a Sexy Object and get treated like a sex toy. both of these things completely ignore how You feel, and it fuckin sucks.
I have a lot of thoughts on this topic since it's pretty personal to me, but I do want to say that I understand this perspective.
I draw a lot of fat fur stuff, mostly for money, and have found it very helpful for my (previously quite troubled) body image. Turning something that used to be a source of misery into fun and and profit has really improved my life. Everybody I've met within the community has been incredibly nice and (almost) everybody has been extremely respectful of my boundaries.
But it's true that some of the stuff out there is... ehhh. Not so good. The very extreme and very dark stuff can be sketchy at times. I can definitely see why somebody would find it upsetting. And it's definitely not cool when people try to involve strangers/non-consenting friends/etc in their fetish. That's scummy regardless of the fetish in question.
I do get a little wary of people (particularly thin people) who act like the only moral way to love a fat person is reluctantly, with your eyes closed in the dark while pretending 90% of their body doesn't exist. I would want a partner to be attracted to everything that I am, not someone who loves me "despite" my weight. I think there are a lot of shades of gray between "dehumanizingly fetishized" and "dehumanizingly unsexualized" where healthy self-love and respectful, consensual kink can take place.
(This is more personal than I usually like to get in public online, but since we follow each other[I think?] and I'm involved with this content I wanted to put my thoughts out there!)
I draw a lot of fat fur stuff, mostly for money, and have found it very helpful for my (previously quite troubled) body image. Turning something that used to be a source of misery into fun and and profit has really improved my life. Everybody I've met within the community has been incredibly nice and (almost) everybody has been extremely respectful of my boundaries.
But it's true that some of the stuff out there is... ehhh. Not so good. The very extreme and very dark stuff can be sketchy at times. I can definitely see why somebody would find it upsetting. And it's definitely not cool when people try to involve strangers/non-consenting friends/etc in their fetish. That's scummy regardless of the fetish in question.
I do get a little wary of people (particularly thin people) who act like the only moral way to love a fat person is reluctantly, with your eyes closed in the dark while pretending 90% of their body doesn't exist. I would want a partner to be attracted to everything that I am, not someone who loves me "despite" my weight. I think there are a lot of shades of gray between "dehumanizingly fetishized" and "dehumanizingly unsexualized" where healthy self-love and respectful, consensual kink can take place.
(This is more personal than I usually like to get in public online, but since we follow each other[I think?] and I'm involved with this content I wanted to put my thoughts out there!)
hey man i mean i appreciate you feeling comfy enough to go into it
i know for me personally im wary and not sssuper into making money off of what i am, i feel like stuff like hyper fat fetishism and cuntboy and shemale porn stuff while profitable and like, taking advantage of what i am n all, it still ultimately is enabling of people to continue to objectify and fetishize me without breaking the cycle, even if im making money on it. its a complicated feeling tho, because not everyone can avoid it when you got bills to pay. i just wish society wasnt the way it was that we Have to demean ourselves to live, that isnt right and no one deserves it i dont think
BUT THAT SAID im like... helllll of a lot more wary of skinny people hopping on the fat train than like, actual fat people. dont get me wrong anyone can cope with their demons badly and hurt themselves and others, but those who dont actually have some disprivilege always hurt those who do more. like skinny people treating us as a weird bush to step around of whether its morally ok or not to love, or how cis people treat trans people pretty similarly. sucks! some people are really irreverent and cruel about it and just dont see anyone else as people outside of their own sexual gratification
but yea man thanks for sharing, even if its not all the same feels, im glad its civil and chill ykno
i know for me personally im wary and not sssuper into making money off of what i am, i feel like stuff like hyper fat fetishism and cuntboy and shemale porn stuff while profitable and like, taking advantage of what i am n all, it still ultimately is enabling of people to continue to objectify and fetishize me without breaking the cycle, even if im making money on it. its a complicated feeling tho, because not everyone can avoid it when you got bills to pay. i just wish society wasnt the way it was that we Have to demean ourselves to live, that isnt right and no one deserves it i dont think
BUT THAT SAID im like... helllll of a lot more wary of skinny people hopping on the fat train than like, actual fat people. dont get me wrong anyone can cope with their demons badly and hurt themselves and others, but those who dont actually have some disprivilege always hurt those who do more. like skinny people treating us as a weird bush to step around of whether its morally ok or not to love, or how cis people treat trans people pretty similarly. sucks! some people are really irreverent and cruel about it and just dont see anyone else as people outside of their own sexual gratification
but yea man thanks for sharing, even if its not all the same feels, im glad its civil and chill ykno
Oh I totally get that. Sometimes I feel kinda weird selling it too, esp. the more extreme stuff that I wouldn't really draw if left to my own devices. Next year, I was planning to reel it back a bit and take certain things off the commission menu for that very reason. Still trying to figure out exactly where my comfort zone is! (Damn if that kind of content doesn't make a lot of money, though. If I'm ever out of a job again with rent to pay, it's kinda nice to know that there's a plan B.)
I think the line between "this makes me feel good about myself" and "this makes me feel fetishized and dehumanized" varies a lot depending on the person. I guess I tend to skew more sympathetic/okay with fetishy stuff (in this context and at this point in my life, anyway), but I also am aware that there are creeps out there who could easily ruin that for me by going too far. And I do get why even tame weight gain/feeder kinda stuff might feel like "too far" for some people's comfort. That's totally alright--I keep this side of my art on the down low for that reason.
Being allowed to simply exist without any commentary on your body either way unless you wanted it--that would be an ideal world for sure. Feeling like a freak and an outlier is tiresome.
Thanks for the thoughtful response!
I think the line between "this makes me feel good about myself" and "this makes me feel fetishized and dehumanized" varies a lot depending on the person. I guess I tend to skew more sympathetic/okay with fetishy stuff (in this context and at this point in my life, anyway), but I also am aware that there are creeps out there who could easily ruin that for me by going too far. And I do get why even tame weight gain/feeder kinda stuff might feel like "too far" for some people's comfort. That's totally alright--I keep this side of my art on the down low for that reason.
Being allowed to simply exist without any commentary on your body either way unless you wanted it--that would be an ideal world for sure. Feeling like a freak and an outlier is tiresome.
Thanks for the thoughtful response!
yea i get that! i know on my end i have a diff perspective and privilege, art isnt my job since i do pharmacy which is a lot more stable. i can afford to keep stricter lines in the sand but not everyone can do the same. but even then at the same time people like you and others ive known even have their own lines they wont cross. its not like its completely without morality
i agree definitely. i know im veryyyy hardline about boundaries wrt fetishism so i tend to be more snappish, though i think im probably more snappy with regards to trans sensitivity than fat sensitivity? complicated feelings again lmao. either way its certainly bit me in the ass more than once.
thank you for the thoughtfullness too! i think its refreshing, i was kind of worried of just having this piece scoffed off, even tho i was kinda rushed and just posted it as-is without any deeper thought in articulating my feelings more than the vague description i gave. if i could do that over i would bc i feel i misconstrued my own feelings in the heat of the moment for myself. i really really liked having convo w other fat ppl, i think thats nuance we deserve to be able to explore rather than just, gawking from the outside
i agree definitely. i know im veryyyy hardline about boundaries wrt fetishism so i tend to be more snappish, though i think im probably more snappy with regards to trans sensitivity than fat sensitivity? complicated feelings again lmao. either way its certainly bit me in the ass more than once.
thank you for the thoughtfullness too! i think its refreshing, i was kind of worried of just having this piece scoffed off, even tho i was kinda rushed and just posted it as-is without any deeper thought in articulating my feelings more than the vague description i gave. if i could do that over i would bc i feel i misconstrued my own feelings in the heat of the moment for myself. i really really liked having convo w other fat ppl, i think thats nuance we deserve to be able to explore rather than just, gawking from the outside
I get ya. Personally, I'm really grateful that I have the option to pad out my income by drawing cartoonishly fat dogs being cuddled and kissed and fed cake instead of having to take a second job flipping burgers or do retail for The Man. Overall, it's brought far more good to my life than bad. And unless something particularly bad happens to sour me on the community, I'll probably continue to engage with it and take commissions from it for the foreseeable future.
I think it does make sense to be more hardline about trans fetishizing stuff, since the stakes on that are generally a lot higher than with fat fetish sorta stuff.
This certainly a topic I've thought about a lot and have a lot of complex feelings about--reading your perspective was interesting and thought-provoking, even if we don't feel the exact same way on everything. Thank you for the responses!
I think it does make sense to be more hardline about trans fetishizing stuff, since the stakes on that are generally a lot higher than with fat fetish sorta stuff.
This certainly a topic I've thought about a lot and have a lot of complex feelings about--reading your perspective was interesting and thought-provoking, even if we don't feel the exact same way on everything. Thank you for the responses!
Just wanted to say, since we all watch each other draw and stuff, it's really interesting to read what you're two are talking! And it's not every day that we reflect so much on what we draw. Really interesting :^)
(Plus ... this is my income as well, I often draw stuff that I enjoy and sometimes I draw stuff I don't overly enjoy, but feel okay about? Of course I'd love to draw mostly my own stuff (which is comparebly tame, I think) but that is not how the art world works, mostly.)
What stuff will you take of your commission list, Dogburger?
(Plus ... this is my income as well, I often draw stuff that I enjoy and sometimes I draw stuff I don't overly enjoy, but feel okay about? Of course I'd love to draw mostly my own stuff (which is comparebly tame, I think) but that is not how the art world works, mostly.)
What stuff will you take of your commission list, Dogburger?
Yeah, I'm the same--I've declined commissions in the past that felt like they were too far or not a type of content I was comfortable with, but I've also accepted ones that weren't something I was particularly into because the money was good.
The main change I was planning was that I will be firmer about declining commissions for "blob"-like characters--it's actually already on my rules that I won't draw that, but I've been experimenting with some more cartoonish sizes lately (particularly with the winter weight donation drive), and I've come to the decision that I don't want that to be a major part of my content. Might still draw it sometimes for a bribe, I haven't decided yet.
I don't regret experimenting with it, though. My winter weight drive tends to be quite profitable (it almost completely covered a big surprise bill I got a couple weeks ago, which was nice), and, while I don't really like drawing "blob" characters, it's a tough decision to give up that income during the expensive holiday season. Thinking that next year I will still draw a sequence for winter, but it won't be for pay, and it'll be more realistic/tame with more focus on sensuality and affection (which is what I prefer to draw anyway). I will miss the money, though!
The main change I was planning was that I will be firmer about declining commissions for "blob"-like characters--it's actually already on my rules that I won't draw that, but I've been experimenting with some more cartoonish sizes lately (particularly with the winter weight donation drive), and I've come to the decision that I don't want that to be a major part of my content. Might still draw it sometimes for a bribe, I haven't decided yet.
I don't regret experimenting with it, though. My winter weight drive tends to be quite profitable (it almost completely covered a big surprise bill I got a couple weeks ago, which was nice), and, while I don't really like drawing "blob" characters, it's a tough decision to give up that income during the expensive holiday season. Thinking that next year I will still draw a sequence for winter, but it won't be for pay, and it'll be more realistic/tame with more focus on sensuality and affection (which is what I prefer to draw anyway). I will miss the money, though!
Brains are always going to take priority over appearance in my book. I've been drawing fat art for years, but I know the difference between fantasy and reality. I always consider the feelings of a person I'm hooking up with and I always come to value their personality first before I even start feeling like enjoying them physically is even a possibility. It takes a real shallow person to only appreciate one part of an entire human being.
With that said, some of those people I have hooked up with were overweight, but I never pointed it out to them. I always waited for the right time to tell them that they're beautiful. I've had partners tell me of their insecurities about their weight without knowing that I thought they were beautiful to begin with, and it's always nice to see them smile when they realize that I mean that. To me it's an added bonus to an already functioning relationship and I'm glad I have the perspective that I have to let those who have spent most of their lives being told they're unhealthy or gross, that they're fine the way they are. I'm not saying I can ever make up for the wrongdoing that others have committed, but at least I know I can try to be better than that to the best of my ability and always take others feelings into consideration
With that said, some of those people I have hooked up with were overweight, but I never pointed it out to them. I always waited for the right time to tell them that they're beautiful. I've had partners tell me of their insecurities about their weight without knowing that I thought they were beautiful to begin with, and it's always nice to see them smile when they realize that I mean that. To me it's an added bonus to an already functioning relationship and I'm glad I have the perspective that I have to let those who have spent most of their lives being told they're unhealthy or gross, that they're fine the way they are. I'm not saying I can ever make up for the wrongdoing that others have committed, but at least I know I can try to be better than that to the best of my ability and always take others feelings into consideration
nah man im bad at articulation too so i wont dock points for that. i think people mistake me as like, not liking Any attraction to fatness? which wasnt really what i was trying to get at and i probably messed up with such a short quick piece, what my feelings are :'v i really do like being fat and i think fatness is great and appealing and lovely in many ways! its more of like... things that i cannot describe with words, but you can sort of tell when someone is just viewing a fat person as a dick sleeve to get the rocks off. its a prickling feeling i suppose. for me at least it generally tends to come from the more slobbish and blob type stuff bc its like, all the artists/audiences care about is how fat can it get lmao
truth be told im not sure there is like a stark line? some friends of mine who are fat tend to explore more outlandish or fanciful depictions, others prefer more down to earth to be themselves. but it feels Different than when like, a skinny person is going for it. ive seen too many ppl who admit theyre skinny or dont even want to be fat themselves, but then turn around and make money off of objectifying and sexualizing it. THATS what really makes me feel worse more than anything. i feel theres a difference between those for sure
same with making money to pay bills! i did mention up prior i have some feelings of my own abt like perpetuating cycles n stuff but like. sometimes you need to do shit that isnt so great. not the exact same thing but ive known friends who are current and former sex workers both and it can be dangerous and scary, but its to survive in shitty capitalist hellscapes. it sucks, in an ideal world i wish we wouldnt Have to do stuff like this but life is shitty and messy so, it happens
i just wish bodies werent considered fetishes, like fat people or trans people, people of color too. it creates really sticky situations and then overlaps with feelings of disgust or mockery for just Existing
dont worry abt rambling tho weh, i appreciate the dialogue dude!! youre a rad one in my book
truth be told im not sure there is like a stark line? some friends of mine who are fat tend to explore more outlandish or fanciful depictions, others prefer more down to earth to be themselves. but it feels Different than when like, a skinny person is going for it. ive seen too many ppl who admit theyre skinny or dont even want to be fat themselves, but then turn around and make money off of objectifying and sexualizing it. THATS what really makes me feel worse more than anything. i feel theres a difference between those for sure
same with making money to pay bills! i did mention up prior i have some feelings of my own abt like perpetuating cycles n stuff but like. sometimes you need to do shit that isnt so great. not the exact same thing but ive known friends who are current and former sex workers both and it can be dangerous and scary, but its to survive in shitty capitalist hellscapes. it sucks, in an ideal world i wish we wouldnt Have to do stuff like this but life is shitty and messy so, it happens
i just wish bodies werent considered fetishes, like fat people or trans people, people of color too. it creates really sticky situations and then overlaps with feelings of disgust or mockery for just Existing
dont worry abt rambling tho weh, i appreciate the dialogue dude!! youre a rad one in my book
I think an excellent parallel to sick fetization vs. genunie attraction is the story of saartjie baartman (aka sarah bartman). it's really triggering but it's the height of objectification.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Baartman
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Baartman
It's not really enough evidence to prove that its a fetish for them. (except for maybe "you'd be sexier if you were bigger")
The majority of people trying to lose weight are usually doing it because they feel insecure or because they think they are "gross" and rarely for health reason.
I know I have, I obsessively lost so much weight because I was always told that I was ugly and gross. I was probably less healthy from my extreme diet than when I was fat.
So they could genuinely be trying to be nice or make you feel less insecure.
I've also met some people who take weight loss as an offense because they assume it's indirectly saying "I don't wanna be fat cuz fat people are ugly".
I guess saying you want to gain/lose weight to reach a preferred "body goal" should become more mainstream than "cuz I wanna look good" or "cuz I wanna be sexy", because everyone has a preferred ideal body type that they want to achieve and not everyone is gonna agree that it "looks better" or is "sexy".
Some people do want to lose/gain weight for health reasons and that should also be acceptable. Even though there is a lot of debate on how much body fat actually effects your health, some people don't want to risk being unhealthy.
The majority of people trying to lose weight are usually doing it because they feel insecure or because they think they are "gross" and rarely for health reason.
I know I have, I obsessively lost so much weight because I was always told that I was ugly and gross. I was probably less healthy from my extreme diet than when I was fat.
So they could genuinely be trying to be nice or make you feel less insecure.
I've also met some people who take weight loss as an offense because they assume it's indirectly saying "I don't wanna be fat cuz fat people are ugly".
I guess saying you want to gain/lose weight to reach a preferred "body goal" should become more mainstream than "cuz I wanna look good" or "cuz I wanna be sexy", because everyone has a preferred ideal body type that they want to achieve and not everyone is gonna agree that it "looks better" or is "sexy".
Some people do want to lose/gain weight for health reasons and that should also be acceptable. Even though there is a lot of debate on how much body fat actually effects your health, some people don't want to risk being unhealthy.
i'm definitely skinny so i can't really say anything abt this but from what i've seen of people who enjoy that kinda stuff (who aren't generally gross people) it's usually a source of comfort for them in regards to body image, even if they are skinny? cause they can be unhappy w it
again i'm it seems to really depends on the person but i'm sure we can all agree when someone is def being gross about it. i'm sorry that it's been getting you down lately :0(
again i'm it seems to really depends on the person but i'm sure we can all agree when someone is def being gross about it. i'm sorry that it's been getting you down lately :0(
UNDERSTANDABLE i hope none of the people i'm friends with give u that vibe (or just. the one or two i know lmao)
also hyperfat stuff even gets me sometimes and like i have no reason to be upset by it cause its just very. idk. morbid? it feels akin to when straight cis dudes draw girls with hypertits i guess
also hyperfat stuff even gets me sometimes and like i have no reason to be upset by it cause its just very. idk. morbid? it feels akin to when straight cis dudes draw girls with hypertits i guess
ITS COOL i totally get that lmao
GOD YEAH i seriously dont trust cis nsfw artists At All lately lmfao. like often theyll try to be "progressive" by not using slurs but then still treating trans characters the same way like ok lol!
anyways yeah im always very wary of those that draw the hyperfat stuff especially
i'm honestly super glad you decided to speak about this vin because i feel an opinion from someone like yourself is really valuable for various reasons!! hope you see less upsetting fetishism in the future :0(
GOD YEAH i seriously dont trust cis nsfw artists At All lately lmfao. like often theyll try to be "progressive" by not using slurs but then still treating trans characters the same way like ok lol!
anyways yeah im always very wary of those that draw the hyperfat stuff especially
i'm honestly super glad you decided to speak about this vin because i feel an opinion from someone like yourself is really valuable for various reasons!! hope you see less upsetting fetishism in the future :0(
Oh yeah, I definitely feel this. When I first started getting back into furry fandom I was like "cool!! Body diversity!!" and I still think there's generally a lot more good diversity in furry stuff? At least, the folks I tend to watch. But the longer I look the more... ehh... creepy objectification I see. It's like the difference between seeing a trans person's representation of trans characters and someone drawing gross "c-boy" or "d-girl" art.
i havent read all the comments, sorry if im repeating someone, but i think there's some overlap between this treatment and the idea that if you find fat people hot or draw porn of fat people, then it MUST be purely because you have a fetish for fat people rather than finding them attractive in the same way you would a skinnier person. it ends up cultivating this whole weird attitude where fat people in porn arent REALLY treated like people at all; just as an expression of a fetish.
Oh man I agree. I think all kinds of bodies are beautiful but appreciating beauty in all sizes isn't the same as fetishistic feelings about it. Worse is when people are like "but you are their FETISH!" Uhhh yeah and that isn't always a good thing. That can mean people seeing someone as nothing more than an object.
This shit mentality is literally like 75% of the reason I don't date any more, honestly. I have actually had people tell me that they'd date me because they have a "trans fetish" and I'm like LOLOLOL NOPE I'M OUT. And they don't know why I am insulted by their "attraction."
This shit mentality is literally like 75% of the reason I don't date any more, honestly. I have actually had people tell me that they'd date me because they have a "trans fetish" and I'm like LOLOLOL NOPE I'M OUT. And they don't know why I am insulted by their "attraction."
I'm really glad I found this post, it's a point I've been worried about for a while; I've always found larger body types attractive, but only recently started drawing comms of fat characters on here,, I really don't want to fall into my art contributing to fetishization bc that's gross,, its been good to read through the comments to get people's points of view on this (plus your art is absolutely gorgeous asdfghjk)
my opinions are limited, im thicc but not fat, but I'm really tryna distinguish between fetishization and enjoying a character's body, u know?? ;v; I know you're not against attraction to fat characters but idk I guess I wanna get,,, a lil bit of clarification from someone with a more informed opinion than me about where the line is <<; cause I dont wanna be a source of frustration or make people uncomfortable when I do art I enjoy and draw characters im attracted to??
my opinions are limited, im thicc but not fat, but I'm really tryna distinguish between fetishization and enjoying a character's body, u know?? ;v; I know you're not against attraction to fat characters but idk I guess I wanna get,,, a lil bit of clarification from someone with a more informed opinion than me about where the line is <<; cause I dont wanna be a source of frustration or make people uncomfortable when I do art I enjoy and draw characters im attracted to??
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