Can I hug her~?

Can't wait till communism is coming so them titties are all titties

I don't see the connection between Organ Harvesting and Mammalian Glands.

Well, like many things, that depends on who you ask nowadays...

Again. There is no debate. Trans women are women.

Facts

Define "Woman". Just having some surgery and taking some hormones isn't quite the same as bring born one now, is it?

*gets the popcorn*

At that point, they can just ba called women. Cause there doesn't need to be a reason to destinct between a woman that was once a man or one that was always a woman.

So I agree. If the sex bits are a woman's, then they are a woman. :3

Trans women are women regardless of what 'sex bits' they have, though. While I agree we should just call trans women women, "Women are women" doesn't have quite the same impact.

I agree. It drives the point home. The only group I don't agree with though are the gender fluid people. Where they decide what gender they are at any given day or time. Especially when they get offended if someone refers to them 'wrong' on the given day. Especially with how plenty of people use it as an excuse to take advantage of other people or situations.

So if a woman was once a man, then they are now a woman. It didn't mater to me that they were a man before. But if a woman or man claim to be otherwise and change their claim on the weekly or daily, it trivializes struggles of an actual Trans-sexual to be excepted for who they are because of those people.

To expand on the gender fluid thing. I'm fine with someone who takes the effort to be a man or woman seriously. Even if they can't afford the operation to get it done physically, they still put their effort to being a man or being a woman and keep it that way. I respect that.

I don't respect someone who changes the sex they claim to be on some semi regular basis. Especially in person, but usually restricted to the internet where people believe they have some semblance of ananominity.

Worth noting that gender and sex are distinct entities. And a trans person does not owe you presenting as something to be valid as such, nor do they owe you medical procedures.

Non-binary and even gender fluid people are still trans people, and are valid as much as anyone else. And yes genderfluid people do actually exist offline, I have a close friend who is one. They wear a colour coded wristband to inform people what they currently identify as.

And again, this is about gender, not sex.

I respect when someone emotionally identifies as the opposite sex. that's okay. especially when they take the effort to do the part.

I do not respect when someone is just "I feel mostly female with a bit of male today" kind of gender fluid. there's no debate on that. it's trivial and defeats the purpose as it's not just something you decide on a whim.

Again, sex *is not gender*, and we are talking about gender. Gender is who you are in your head, and for some people it's not static.

If you don't want to respect genderfluid and non-binary people, that's your choice but you are being transphobic when doing so.

I'm not transphobic. I never have been. But if someone changes what gender they identify as on a daily basis, they are not transgender. They do so to grab attention, and cause drama. They trivialize transpeople to the point where they are a burdan to people who truly have transgender mental states. They take advantage of the acceptance culture and can bully people who try to call them out.

By letting someone who changes what they identify as on the regular be accepted, you are being taken advantage of. You are letting that person mock, and trivialize the meaning of being transgender.

You are making a lot of accusations about a large group of people.

Let me make one thing clear: You only need one thing to be trans, to identify as something other than the gender you were assigned at birth. For some people that identity is fixed, for others it is more fluid. Genderfluid, gender queer, two spirited people, aegender people and non-binary people are just as trans as a binary trans person. I say this as a trans person myself. Refusing to accept this is transphobic, regardless if you believe it to be or not. They are trans people, either you accept that or you do not. And not accepting that is transphobia. Genderfluid trans people are not taking the piss, they are not concern trolling, they are not trivializing trans people as a whole. They are part of us and we accept them as such.

Also very few of the gender fluid people I've encountered, both online and in person have their identity swing on a daily basis, usually it's more long term than that, weekly or monthly even. But they do exist and are genuine trans people as much as any fully transitioned binary trans person.

I think we should just stop here. I don't want to argue over the internet over things.

I recognize the stance you're taking. I respect people for what they want, But I also don't want to accept someone who's just trying to grab attention. many of the ones i've seen online that consider themselves Gender fluid are people who just try to grab attention, and start drama any time someone tries to even talk to them normally. I don't respect those people.

I'm not transphobic. But I will call someone out on their BS when it's clear that they're just trying to take advantage of acceptance culture.

Can we at least agree on that?

But what if it's not BS? You need to consider that.

I do appreciate that there are shitty people in the trans community, like there are in any community. Engage on that, rather than the gender identity they report to have.

I just want there to be a "within reason" scenario here.

i'f were going to consider All transwomen as women. Then there has to be a point where someone can't just take advantage of it. Especially given if we allow someone to have the free will to decide their identified gender, there has to be a stopping point. Because if we unconditionally allow it, people take advantage of it. Guaranteed.

I do not want a scenario where a man comes into a public space, and looks at the public restrooms and thinks. "I feel like a woman today" and goes into the women's rest room, and follows it up with "transpeople have rights" when people try to stop him from going in.

People can take advantage of anything, that doesn't mean we should stop doing something just because a small number of fuckwits try to abuse it.

Take the old, inaccurate transphobic crowing about cis men claiming to be trans to go into a woman's bathroom (you may claim to not be transphobic, but you are using their rhetorical tactics, just FYI) . They would be arrested, and if they were found to have no medical history of being trans, they would be charged because they have no history as being such. Additionally, this is why gender neutral bathrooms are important, to allow gender non-conforming people to safely have a bathroom to use without people calling the police on them.

Additionally, the "within reason" isn't really something lay people should be determining, we lack the expertise of those who are experts in the field, namely psychologists, who accept the existence of non-binary and even gender fluid people. People can't really take "advantage of being trans" because coming out as trans *is not a safe thing to do* in the vast majority of the world. Trans people, especially visibly trans people, face violence, estrangement from family friends and community and discrimination just for being who they are. "Acceptance culture" is not a really universal thing and the truth is that the vast majority of trans people face persecution for something they cannot control, and I speak from experience on this one.

And yet you are debating for a conditionless acceptance of someone who you have no idea of the medical record of being trans. You had previously stated that a tansperson doesn't require to conform to a medical procedure or standard for being considered trans, but in your rebuddle to my example, you refer to them being arrested when the individual is found not to have a medical history of being trans.

You also state that neither of us have the expertise to properly critique the subject, but you have no problem ademantly insisting that will should accept all individuals regardless of motivation, as you had simply experienced few to no outliers of claimed transpeople not really being who they are.


Lets just both agree that neither of us have the true answer.

I will respect what ever gender someone wishes to be called, but as soon as that person starts becoming difficult about what way they wish to be referred to, even when there is no warent for it. then they will lose that respect. It is not phobic to stop respecting an individual for their dickish attitude.

On the topic of the medical history thing. Something in the eyes of the law is *very* different than in the eyes of society at large. If someone is offering up a defense in a court of law and has no evidence to support that defense, it's useless. Hence why they would need some sort of documentation.

And what I'm trying to say that it's not up to you or I to determine if someone is "genuinely" trans, we simply need to take them at their word that they are. Because not believing someone who is trans when they come out to you can be extremely harmful to that person. The simple fact of the matter is that there are many many many different kinds of trans people, and trying to draw a line of "what's reasonable" for trans people is ultimately reductive and harmful.

This is truth, delicious big tiddy truth.

The big tiddy snake has spoken.

And I'm sure the iguana and co would be furious at it. Which just makes it even better.

Who's the iguana and co?

A certain animator-and-wife combination who happen to just super coincidentally promote platforms that are mostly used by white supremacists, including one who just recently shot up a synagogue in Pittsburgh. That they use the main forums used by Nazis and klansmen to communicate and coordinate their activities is coincidence I'm sure.

Are they on FA?

Oh yes. And no, I'm not stating the names, that would be against TOS.

I agree with this post and short for many reasons

*Thumbs up*

right on right on right on

Those colors look good on her.

They certainly do!

Also hey message me on Discord! I think I added you but I can't remember what name is yours. haha (lots of different handles to try and recall)

THE MIGHTY SNAKE BITTYS HAVE SPOKEN

ALL HAIL

Jeez do we really have to tell people this? It's like people have no common sense.... -.-

Like I understand but idk I feel like people have to be real ignorant and dense too the point where others have to let them know this.

No offense too you or anyone, I'm just expressing my thoughts on how I feel on this subject.

"that brainwash their underaged children into doing hormone therapies or what not" this is not a thing that actually happens. At all. You don't understand the process by which hormone therapy is accessible by trans people. They need to actually be diagnosed with gender identity dysphoria by a psychologist before they get access to them. This is a process filled with trained medical and psychological professionals who deem that HRT is the best course of therapy for their patient, with the patient's informed consent. And it's not available to those under the age of 16 in most jurisdictions outside of maybe puberty blockers in extreme cases. This is the realm of medicine and psychology, people don't go around willy nilly handing out HRT like candy.

And oh look, a bunch of unsubstantiated transphobic stuff. You're making all these claims and assertions without any basis or evidence, filled with rage and denialism about psychology that has been the consensus in the medical community since the 1950s and earlier.

Dude you're arguing with an alt-right troll. He isn't arguing in good faith, he's solely trying to act like an asshole. Don't engage, just ignore it, make it rage itself out and go away annoyed that it couldn't succeed at being a total valueless dipshit to everyone around it.

The word you are looking for is gender.

I personally believe that everyone starts out as one or the other, but that can change with time. If you're meant to be something else, you're meant to be something else. Guess I'm weird in the sense that I just view them as what they are, not what they were born as.

Also, very cute snake.

Let's set aside the fact that there are people who are born intersex and thus don't fit neatly into your binary worldview for a moment.

There's also the fact that hundreds of non-Western cultures have more than two genders in their society. Most well known among these is the 'Two-Spirit Peoples' of many First Nations native American civilizations. Formerly referred to as 'berdache' (a term that is now considered inappropriate), these peoples filled gender roles of both men and women, and often held special ceremonial purposes within First Nations cultures. Tribal elders make distinctions between the idea of Two Spirit People and simply being gay or lesbian. So, your idea that gender is a binary is a misunderstanding born out of Western culture's generally negative view on sex and sexuality.
http://www.ncai.org/policy-research.....iritPeople.pdf


Now, let's talk biology for a moment. Specifically, let's talk neurobiology. In words that you can understand, that means the way the brain works.
According to the European Society of Endocrinology, transgender folks have brain development and neurochemistry that most closely resembles that of cis people who identify as the gender they were assigned at birth. So, women who were assigned male at birth have brains that most closely match that of cis women. Men who were assigned female at birth have brains that most closely match those of cis men. You seem to put quite a high value on biology, as well you should, but Biology disagrees with you here, friend.
https://www.ese-hormones.org/media/.....-early-age.pdf

I get that these are new concepts for you to get used to, and change is scary... but you need to face facts and get over yourself, friend.

FA really needs to add a like button for comments like this.

A comment works just as well. I appreciate the approval~

Anytime, it's always nice to see intelligent individuals comment on situations such as this and have scientific evidence to prove their point.

Even if there are people who are rather thick headed and will deny anything that doesn't fit in their version of the world.

I love this so much

Thank you so much, I love and appreciate your art and dedication to the community. Won’t comment on the message of this piece but respect to you for voicing what you believe in!

Nice censoring of otherwise interesting conversations. Not to mention that youll leave comments up that mock others but agree with you. Oh and the "allmost but not" namedropping Lyndane did up there. Witchhunting much? Im quite disapointed, for someone who holds such a positive message you turn out to be just another hugboxer. Shame really.

If you'll take care to note, I left one discussion up. The only ones I removed were those devolving into incoherence, or filled with vitriol. You can call me what you like, but I'm not going to put "Trans women are women" up to debate. It's not. They are.

I’m not a hateful person nor do I like to argue with people but I’d like to point out zergking that your statement is rather immature and contradictory. You call someone these hateful titles just because they have their own opinion. Well in the real world there will always be at the least two different opinions about a topic like this, and you can’t change that! No matter how many different names/titles you call some one or how many hate groups you associate them with it’ll only make them more against your opinion. Try to have a fair discussion with them next time instead just using the typical snowflake resopnse of throwing Nazi and alt right at someone when you are the one attacking them and forcing your opinion. they aren’t the Nazi here you are.

I think you're forgottening a key that Nazis did. Part of which, alongside the Jewish population of Europe, was labeling and throwing LGBT folk into the camp. The problem with your statement is that this isn't an opinion or a point of debate. Opinion doesn't come into this, especially when medical and scientific professionals the world over agrees with this.

Sooo many comments hidden by page owner. Me thinks someone enjoys their echo chamber.

Since scrolling is apparently difficult, I'll repost my reply to another comment. "If you'll take care to note, I left one discussion up. The only ones I removed were those devolving into incoherence, or filled with vitriol. You can call me what you like, but I'm not going to put "Trans women are women" up to debate. It's not. They are."

Weird flex given you made this journal post getting mad about doing the very thing you're doing here? http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/823231/

know heres a snake id hang out with