Identity Politics is divisive and separates the working class against each other over petty racial and sexual differences. Why do you think these big corporations are so keen to support these ideologies? Answer: because it is a distraction from class conflict and ending capitalism.

And before you go and insult me, I am a left-winger (A libertarian-left fellow, probably a anarcho-syndicalist), just one who looked behind the idpol curtain and saw the actual capitalists who are only using it as a way to further their own agendas.

IF YOU DON'T STAND AGAINST NAZIS THEN YOU STAND WITH THEM. YELL AT THE FUCKING NAZIS THAT WANT US DEAD INSTEAD OF MINORITIES WHO WANT NAZIS TO STOP BEING NAZIS.

Of course I stand against fascists, but the alt-right are a complete joke, they are just a bunch of idiotic edge-lords on the internet who are only doing this to get a reaction out of people like you.

And these minority groups and these LGBT and feminist groups don't seem to realize that their movements and even their identities have become hijacked and commodified by corporations and capitalists as a way to get these corporations more money by artificially creating new demographics to sell crap to. This also applies to those neo-nazis and alt-righters too, they don't realize they have become controlled opposition all to serve the interests of corporations and capital.

Oh and Hillary and Trump were both terrible choices for president, literally nothing would have changed if Hillary became president, she would have been just yet another puppet of wall street, just like how Trump became one once he became president.

Not to mention that the left-wing is also being affected by the censorship on the big social media platforms.

We must stand united, no matter our race. We shouldn't insult any race of the working class.

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Ok, going to weigh in here with a quick and not at all comprehensive critique of your attitude / the attitude of de leonism/marxist attitudes what reject intersectionality in general:

the presupposition that racism/sexism/homophobia/transphobia/bigotry writ large comes from capitalism is the entire problem of the attitude that "class comes first." Class is a primary locus for any struggle in our society, yes, but rejecting any exploration of the existing bigotry of our society will bake in this bigotry into any revolution that comes from it. these divisions in our society have existed far before industrialization and capitalism, and will continue to exist as long as groups continue to argue that they are not intrinsic to creating a truly equal, classless society. let's be clear, part of the reason why more diverse politicians are being elected on the left now is because they are explicitly intersectional, speaking not to vague concepts of class and struggle but to specific groups and motivating them to believe that their struggle will not be ignored in favor of a vague concept of class.

no one here wants hillary in power, people want a classless society. but pretending that you can just ignore oppression in forms other than class will always leave you out in the cold. there's a reason why the iww exists still, and de leon's own wiiu collapse after accomplishing nothing.

My dude are you trying to say being a nazi is a petty difference?

No, what I'm saying is focusing on irrelevant racial and gender differences is petty and we should all unite regardless of race or sex. I'm generally against identity politics of any kind because it is inherently divisive. That also means I'm against right-wing identity politics that the alt-right and neo-nazis love to use as well.

With those neo-nazis saying that they are 'Proud Aryan Stock" when in reality they are just spooked by race and they are in fact mostly inbred morons that only care about race because they see everything about race.

And telling nazis to fuck off is divisive on the basis of race and sex... how, exactly?

Because the term Nazi has become so diluted as a insult that it can essentially mean "anyone that I don't like". Hell there have been anti-idpol/class-focused left-wingers that have been called "Nazis" due to the fact they don't share the same views as the red liberals that are in antifa.

And I was essentially trying to make a point about how identity politics on both sides has become divisive and that we should instead focus on ending capitalism as a system.

it's funny how you use "liberal" the way you claim others use the word "nazi"

Ohhh so you're assigning a diluted definition to a term you claim has become too diluted. You're putting words in people's mouths for the sake of an argument that nobody was even having here.

Doesn't make much sense here. I understand that the right wing would stand against identity politics (For their own gain) and using that stance to garner loyalty among their voter base, and using that stance to distract the average voter away from the political favors they provide for their campaign funders, after all the voters don't any of the money, it's corporate entities that have the money and therefore their favors win out. The only way to fight this sort of thing is to go to each average voter personally and convince them to drop their xenophobia. I dunno about you but from a left winger you don't seem too keen for standing in solidarity for people if it doesn't benefit you and that is fine as it is average behavior... but this statement you made means you are effectively declaring war on my existence. If you are gonna drag my ass into the camps after you pull away my means at least make sure I arrive there unlike my granddad... he jumped the train and told Hans Frank to go fuck himself. Course communism had the last laugh there... stupid Ribbentrop Pact.

My god, the right-wing also engages in their own version of identity politics, and no, being against identity politics doesn’t mean i’m “declaring war on your existence” it means that I think that putting so much focus on identity to the detriment to class and materialism is extremely revisionist and goes against what Marx originally talked about. It doesn’t mean I’m against you existing, it means that I think that identity politics has become detrimental to socialism and is pushing away the working class from socialism and into the hands of the right-wing.

saying minorities need to shut up and fall in line doesn't sound much better just because you're left wing.

No I’m not saying that, I’m saying that what matters is getting rid of capitalism first. Because any would be gender/race/sex revolutionary would be absorbed into it, becoming placated by capitalism and becoming new consumers. Eventually becoming a part of the capitalist system and losing their will to rebel.

any revolution that doesn't solve bigotry, will bake bigotry into its revolution. bigotry existed before capitalism, and unless your revolution addresses it, it'll exist afterwards too.

Throwing my hat into the ring here.

Communism on paper sound amazing. In practice however it is very easy to game the system to get into a position of power (Stalin I'm looking at you), and are able to maintain it with a decent level of ease.

Where as Capitalism is all about competition, and it should be harder to maintain a position of power due to others fighting you for that position. And I'm not saying Capitalism is the be all end all of political systems, it has flaws such as, treading the poor further into poverty which really needs to be addressed.

TL:DR Communism can be easily manipulated, Capitalism not so much but it hurts people to.

Capitalism can be insanely easily manipulated, what are you talking about? you're defending a system wherein there are hundreds, if not thousands of dictators all over, as opposed to everyone in this thread, who explicitly rejects vanguardism, marxist leninism, stalinism & maoism. In capitalism, every single company is a bunch of unelected leaders with unilateral and total control over their "area of governance," beholden only to more unelected leaders with more unilateral and total control, all the way up to the top.

capitalism breeds fascism because capitalism is just as autocratic as fascism, but not as militaristic.

Good point.

At least Democracy should be harder to game. And I'm not saying Capitalism is good. It isn't. I'm just saying it's a leg up from Communism in my opinion which i should of said in my previous 'reply' (don't know what to call it).
About the 'Capitalism breeds Fascism', it would ironically hurt the company. If a company is fascistic it would lock itself out form a larger work force, who can be as equally well trained as every one else, and lose the good will of its consumer base. And I'm not saying this is fact, but more of "if i was in the same position as a CEO whats the best way to get a high profit margin.". Which is itself a problem, due to using underhanded and illegal tactics to gain an edge over the competition.

Sorry if i seem rambley, this is my first political discussion with a stranger.

you're, intentionally or not, conflating communism with autocracy & capitalism with democracy. these are economic systems, not political systems. capitalism trends towards fascism because it is built upon inequality and exploitation, fascism is merely a hypermilitaristic, autocratic society /built upon inequality and exploitation/. you can have democratic societies that are capitalist backslide into fascism easily, because capitalism encourages autocratic systems because capitalist organisation is autocratic inherently.

communism is about workers owning the means of production. workers owning the means of production is an inherently democratic manner of organising labor & production. communism is more explicitly a democratic system because communism is about abolishing stratification of society through class.

Fair enough. And i can see why Capitalism can be seen as promoting fascism. How ever it seems we may be having two different conversations at the same time, so let us agree to disagree on the matter.

Ether way it was a polite discussion and I'm glad to have had it. Well i hope it was polite.

wealth inequality is a feature of capitalism, not a bug.

And that's why i say it needs to be addressed, and that capitalism is flawed. Sorry if i failed to point it out.

 Wes13- You can hate the fascist/Nazi without hating the person.

You can also respect and encourage various identities and still look to build coalitions and recognize intersectionality. Be proud of what you are. Love people for what they are. Our differences make us interesting, and collectively they make us stronger. People don't need to assimilate into a capitalistic, patriarchal, white nationalistic society to be "Good citizens".

You're buying into right wing propaganda buzz-phrases by your negative criticism of "Identity politics" in much the same way that Being "PC" or an "SJW" have been effectively demonized. These things in their extremes can be reasonably criticized, and one should maintain a sense of humor, but people on the right have weaponized the negative connotations of these terms to the point where even people on the left are buying into the propaganda.

really like this one <3

your designs are generally awesome, or awesome +1

YES! YES! YES!

And what about the TERFs ?

terfs and the alt-right already align themselves together.

I did not know that

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2019/01.....-trans-rights/

The heritage foundation is a right-wing think tank that blocks attempts to address climate change, attacks womens rights in general, and also attacks all queer people as a whole

they must be pretty desesperate to do that kind of move

I appreciate how you don't shy away from being political.

all hail the anti nazi furs #no neo nazi

Fuck Nazis.
Cool character design.

I love your art and your politics

Lmfao

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