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A land of milk and honey, or a land of thistles, and dry. Which would you choose? In Ursla LaGuin's brilliant piece "The ones who walk away from Omelis" we was presented with a classic cornelian dilemma, which was used as a debate piece in my English 102 class in 2015. I will say that the Wikipedia said it best: "Le Guin noted that The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas "has a long and happy career of being used by teachers to upset students and make them argue fiercely about morality."[4]" - Lets say we was ready to lynch the people of Omelas after this! :)
This is a copy from my old DA account who's owners are SO nice and considerate to fix the password problem -- even after a year. A friend reminded me of this so I'm going to go though and post some of my best works from college here.
Oh picture by: Sir. Lappleton III. I saw that and said "That's the story..." http://laphengkeung.net/2016/03/09/.....k-away-omelas/
This is a copy from my old DA account who's owners are SO nice and considerate to fix the password problem -- even after a year. A friend reminded me of this so I'm going to go though and post some of my best works from college here.
Oh picture by: Sir. Lappleton III. I saw that and said "That's the story..." http://laphengkeung.net/2016/03/09/.....k-away-omelas/
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Very nice read, I haven't read this story but you presented its plot in a very clear manner. I can totally see why people would argue, some would rather live in an utopic world closing themselves ro the truth or dare to know the secrets no matter how disturbing they are. This dillema is something I am exploring on the story I am planning for that drawing "sorrow", though it has a more dark fantasy fashion.
Ms. LeGuin just passed away about two or 3 months ago and I was so in aw of her works. I actually never saw this one, until 2015 and I was just blown away. When I read it, it was a punch to my heart for it hit the one thing that really pisses me off. An innocent must suffer.
I'm certainly looking forward to your story now.
I'm certainly looking forward to your story now.
Will definitely put this on my to read list, I like stories that talk morality as they make me think and consequently help me knowing myself a bit more. If it caused such a strong feeling on you I am sure I'll enjoy ^^;.
The story will be mostly an outline of the events around that particular character's life as I am not very good on detailing things (nor I have the time), but I'll do my best to make the point clear ^^;.
When it comes to writing I am more a world builder, as my mind works in a more visual sense, describing places and some of their lore is easier to me than delving into the mind and actions of a character ^^;.
The story will be mostly an outline of the events around that particular character's life as I am not very good on detailing things (nor I have the time), but I'll do my best to make the point clear ^^;.
When it comes to writing I am more a world builder, as my mind works in a more visual sense, describing places and some of their lore is easier to me than delving into the mind and actions of a character ^^;.
I got nice compliment just Tuesday at an online writing group. They said: (I changed the names to protect the nuts :)
compliment-or1: says, "I still think you have a bit of an advantage over me on writing."
compliment-or2 nods. "I do have to say, you are impressive with language useage.
Kantuck tilts her head at compliment-or1? "Me?
compliment-or1 says, "Yes, you."
compliment-or1 has difficulty with descriptions
Kantuck 'ears pinken
Kantuck has the Great Mystery's own difficulty with character development :\
compliment-or1 has been told his characters are often 2 dimensional and cookie cutter
compliment-or3 says quietly, "not true"
Kantuck bleats, "character development is difficult I hear, period."
compliment-or3 does howrever look for cookies cause he is hungry
compliment-or2 says, "Even if that were true, an interesting story is more important, IMHO."
Kantuck bleats, "But I tend to write how I see it. By making it into a movie in my mind."
I can see myself improving, but isn't it odd how we all are different? I'd love to be able to world-build successfully. I even have an account on World-Anvil (https://www.worldanvil.com/author/Kantuck). But after mother, I lost a lot of desire to do things, and also now I think I'm just overwhelmed! But it's slowly coming back.
But I hope to see what you come up with soon. You have a gift :)
compliment-or1: says, "I still think you have a bit of an advantage over me on writing."
compliment-or2 nods. "I do have to say, you are impressive with language useage.
Kantuck tilts her head at compliment-or1? "Me?
compliment-or1 says, "Yes, you."
compliment-or1 has difficulty with descriptions
Kantuck 'ears pinken
Kantuck has the Great Mystery's own difficulty with character development :\
compliment-or1 has been told his characters are often 2 dimensional and cookie cutter
compliment-or3 says quietly, "not true"
Kantuck bleats, "character development is difficult I hear, period."
compliment-or3 does howrever look for cookies cause he is hungry
compliment-or2 says, "Even if that were true, an interesting story is more important, IMHO."
Kantuck bleats, "But I tend to write how I see it. By making it into a movie in my mind."
I can see myself improving, but isn't it odd how we all are different? I'd love to be able to world-build successfully. I even have an account on World-Anvil (https://www.worldanvil.com/author/Kantuck). But after mother, I lost a lot of desire to do things, and also now I think I'm just overwhelmed! But it's slowly coming back.
But I hope to see what you come up with soon. You have a gift :)
this is what she saw in what she thought of as civilization. and why she did not think highly of it.
but i define civilization a little differently. civilization to me, is when the dominance of aggressiveness is prevented.
in a way, we are all talking about the same thing, you, me and the author leguinne.
but i don't believe in devils. instead it is our own hatred of four things: logic, consideration, honesty and imagination,
that turns the heaven our entire earth would be, into the hell today's dominant western culture has made it.
it is a learned hatred, and one we do not need to keep passing on to next generations, nor continue to reinforce among our selves.
we bind our own inner child into that prison ourselves, every time we refuse to consider what kind of world our own priorities create.
but i define civilization a little differently. civilization to me, is when the dominance of aggressiveness is prevented.
in a way, we are all talking about the same thing, you, me and the author leguinne.
but i don't believe in devils. instead it is our own hatred of four things: logic, consideration, honesty and imagination,
that turns the heaven our entire earth would be, into the hell today's dominant western culture has made it.
it is a learned hatred, and one we do not need to keep passing on to next generations, nor continue to reinforce among our selves.
we bind our own inner child into that prison ourselves, every time we refuse to consider what kind of world our own priorities create.
That is a /very interesting way/ to look at this. You, I think, caught the real meaning of it and your insight of everything is Impressive.
But yes, like you I don't see or believe in devils, or hell. Only the Abrahamic religions believe in a hell of no mercy. I cannot see a 'god' thinking that people must be thrown into burning fire for eternity. In all they mythologies I've read there is a underworld of the dead or a heaven. But a pain hell? No...I cannot see or believe in such.
But yes. Hatred is /learned/. It's been well shown that babies don't have concepts of hatred, or seeing differences in people. But put them in the Klan, or a nazi group and they will hate. The idea we should allow such to continue also is insane. It attributes /nothing to a society./
Well written, sir.
But yes, like you I don't see or believe in devils, or hell. Only the Abrahamic religions believe in a hell of no mercy. I cannot see a 'god' thinking that people must be thrown into burning fire for eternity. In all they mythologies I've read there is a underworld of the dead or a heaven. But a pain hell? No...I cannot see or believe in such.
But yes. Hatred is /learned/. It's been well shown that babies don't have concepts of hatred, or seeing differences in people. But put them in the Klan, or a nazi group and they will hate. The idea we should allow such to continue also is insane. It attributes /nothing to a society./
Well written, sir.
A way of living that depends upon the misfortunes of others is simply part of being an animal. There has not been an animal since life began that didn't eat plants or other animals. Intelligent photosynthetic plants might possibly be able to set up a society where no-one is hurt for the sake of another. Robots definitely could. Animals can't, not without abandoning our corporeal existence. Even the lab-grown meat that's currently in the news consists of living cells that must die to be of use to us.
That is something I never thought of honestly. But does a child have to suffer for a utopia? Or could people be in a less than ideal world if all was at least equal and without suffering? I think now that may be the one thing that sets up apart from animals. I may be looking at this wrong, and I'm getting conflicts from my animal physchology class too. (sighs)
Ug, I need some tea to think :)
Thank you for this.
Ug, I need some tea to think :)
Thank you for this.
Whether that's the reading that LeGuin intended I don't know. "The Left Hand of Darkness", written at about the same time, dealt with the effects of biology on the organization of society, for all that most commentators, then and now, have tended to read it in terms of gender roles as a social phenomenon.
It's worth noticing that no-one proposes changing the system of Omelas, or even discusses it. It's just how the world works. The ones who find that they can't live with it leave, by themselves, speaking to no-one, walking away past the mountains to something that they can't imagine, something that may not be there. Death is all that can relieve us of being an animal, and maybe there's something better beyond, and maybe not. The unique burden of being human is that we can reflect on our position. The little boy in the dungeon lacks that ability. I think that's relevant to the story.
FWIW, you were (I think) the one I was talking with on Spindizzy about Manly Wade Wellman. Look here! https://www.luminist.org/archives/ :)
It's worth noticing that no-one proposes changing the system of Omelas, or even discusses it. It's just how the world works. The ones who find that they can't live with it leave, by themselves, speaking to no-one, walking away past the mountains to something that they can't imagine, something that may not be there. Death is all that can relieve us of being an animal, and maybe there's something better beyond, and maybe not. The unique burden of being human is that we can reflect on our position. The little boy in the dungeon lacks that ability. I think that's relevant to the story.
FWIW, you were (I think) the one I was talking with on Spindizzy about Manly Wade Wellman. Look here! https://www.luminist.org/archives/ :)
Indeed their was! It got rather intense the debate in class but the professor was ready for it. I have no clear answers myself, but I do seem to remember the people was about 10% stay, the other leave. I had one of the most passionate papers though and I remember being very angry too.
Being an animal entails a manner of life that is reliant on the misfortunes of others. Since the beginning of time, no animal has survived without eating plants or other creatures. Try this service https://sopwritingservices.net/hosp.....essay-example/ for yourself by reading this sample essay about Hospitality Management Argumentative. Photosynthetic plants with intelligence may be able to create a society in which no one suffers for the sake of another. Certainly, robots could. Animals can't, at least not without giving up our physical existence. Even the recently publicized lab-grown beef is made up of live cells that must die in order to be useful to humans.
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