poor guy

or girl, idk

This is not right at all o_o

Well it sure is natural.

It's a sad posistion. A pack should never treat it's mates like that :(

It's still a very important position. The omega position is only in the bigger packs. It helps the animals to relieve stress and tension, what is important for the pack to survive.

I'd rather relieve stress on a tree or something, you can claw them pretty good, i'm a bit of a softy so i could never do that to them!

Well, it's all about the survival of the strongest...

Yes. The sad thing of nature o.o

Omegas are often the baby-sitters in a wolf pack.

D: ineverknewthis

most do not know and many then draw pictures of omega wolves getting raped by the higher ranks... and think that it must be "hot" to be an omega... it is not, as you can see...

o-o wow really?

It's a sad but true fact. A lot of people are under the impression that every pack member is treated equally and that there is this abundance of love to go around between them all. In all actuality, there is a very distinct hierarchy within the pack. Just like the queen and king get to produce children, get the most and best food, as well as rule over the other dogs, so do the alpha. The lowest in the ranks would probably represent the homeless or the sick and very poor, if you were to compare. The lower ones, I believe might not even be able to mate and produce offspring either.

It's sad, but that is the way it works. -nod-

man this how i feel half the time.... =,C

Poor omega, though fortunately if we keep wolf populations naturally stable (i.e. don't kill them all) then the omega rank is reasonably short lived since the hierarchy changes often with new individuals coming in /moving out of packs.

One thing is though, they take all this beating and still love and are loyal to their pack, just like domestic dogs that have been ill treated they can still love and forgive, to bad humans don't seem to be able to do this..

Well, the process of accepting new individuals into the pack isn't as clear as far as I know. It sometimes happens, but not very often and the reason why one wolf is accepted and the other not is yet still unknown. Usually a pack = a family of an alpha pair + their children. The pack may split from time to time, and then reconnect again, but that does not really mean new individuals...

Mm there are many mysteries but I was referring to something such as the death or rearranging of the alpha(s) hierarchy will shift to accommodate and if needs be for new genes (since most of a pack is related) new individuals would need to join. But yes, I see your point.

Ten komentář...vážně si to furríci myslí?
Kam nám to spěje.....

Kdyz to Greyfur pise... Taky me to zarazilo.

Furries vnimaju poziciu omegy casto ako poziciu subika v DS vztahu. Zvyknu si davat Omega do mena, alebo tak zvyknu pomenovat poziciu toho, kto je "on bottom". Par prikladov (i ked nechcem robit reklamu):

Blotch : http://www.furaffinity.net/view/665945/
Venediktos : http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2975994/
Heather Bruton : http://www.furaffinity.net/view/375399/
Freebird : http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2107866/

That's pretty much what rank I feel when I'm not just a lone wolf wandering

Chudáček

Some time ago they found out that that is exactly what the Omega position stands for !
I know it sounds stupid, but that is the truth !

The Omegas task is to claim down other by playing with them.
This playing is not rare very rough. Therefore there are always, if possible, two or three Omegas in a pack.
If one gets hurt, the other two step in and pull the attention to themselves.
Now the first one can "escape" and rest a bit.

I DON'T WANT TO HEAR SOMETHING ELSE, BECAUSE IT'S CONFIRMED !!!!!!

Could you eventually mention the author and the name of the work/research for it ? I don't say I disagree, I just would like to read it. Thanks

I will try to find it !

The omega is the lowest, lower-than-dirt member in a wolf back.
Their place in the wolf pack is to be a "baby-sitter"

They're basically just like... a slave or maid of the pack.

The babysitting is not really linked to a position. The care for puppies is taken by the whole pack.

And I definitely would not call that position a slave. Wolves do not have slaves. Maybe the Jester on medieval kings courts could be a better comparation. It is hard to compare the hierarchy system of wolves and man.

ehhh yeah I guess you're right. What I meant was, they're treated like dirt and left with the chores.

Well... what chores do you have in mind ? Wolves do not do much more than travelling, hunting, eating and sleeping ...

No when I said "chores" I meant... basically explaining why I chose "slaves" for the word.

...your first line is nonsense !

It's true. :S
Find me a site that says the omega wolf is equal or higher.

I didn't say they are higher !
It is the lowest position in the pack that's right, but how you describe it.....
it is just not right to say it in that way !

It's true though. ]:
The omega is treated like dirt.

Forget it. Just forget it.
I'm sick of this !


Believe what you want......

Believe that nature is full of lollipops and sunshine.
Animals rip eachother to shreds. Animals die all alone on the cold, hard ground every day.
Animals starve to death, get killed in traps, poisoned or are eaten by other animals.
Nature isn't kind.

Actually, he was right. The way you written it is nonsense. The position has it's importance. It has much flaws, but still they are not lower then dirt. They are treated better than lone wolves or outcasts. An omega itself very often starts the games and provokes activity in the pack for example.

No I know. It does have it's importance. The wolf pack needs an omega.

http://image07.webshots.com/7/9/1/89/88290189rawspO_ph.jpg
http://theplanetd.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Winter-Wolves_20060303_196.jpg
http://www.livingwithwolves.org/images/Gallery_Images/Omega%20Wolf/WS4_0106.3.jpg

Looks like fun.

I would like to point out one thing. Those pictures are irelevant, as they are not taken from a wild pack and wild animals. Usually they are taken of animals living in captivity. Wolves are travelling over wast territories and in the wild, the omega is still able to run away, if it gets too serious and can be cast out for some time or from some place. This is not possible in an enclosed space. And that means the agressivity can't be dispelled by running away. The social stress is also much higher in such little spaces where wolves are usually held in captivity and that leads into much more serious attacks against omegas.

I'm sure they don't keep them in 10 x 10 cages.

Though I understand the stress part.
Poor babies.

Isn't nature a harsh thing sometimes? :/

ack sorry computer had a fail moment but real natures shots I adore people seem to forget that wild animals dont play by human rules they do what they need to do to make it to the next day amazing shot!

Being an omega doesn't always means that he or she have to live his/her live being treated like that.

I don't know if it published, but some resarchers noticed an omega became a beta in a hungarian caputre-bred pack. The alfa female died in the winter (not a bone left after her), the beta became alfa, and the omega became beta.

It was a larger pack 12-15 wolves, I can't remember exactly.

Awww, poor wolfie. Sad but necessary. I also heard something like Buffalo dont have pain receptors so they dont hurt as much when wolves attack them?? Don't know if that's BS or not.