Veginazis! They hover over me at Whole Paycheck Foods, telling me what horrible things meat is going to do to my system... while the stench of cigarettes rolling off them triggers my COPD.

Heh, Whole Paycheck folded here in Prescott AZ. Local outfit called Sprouts did them in along with the Trader Joes. Haven't had much contact with militant Vegans out my way. Probably can find them in Sedona - ghod knows what crawls out of the Vortexes there....

You would lower yourself to enter such a temple to over pricing?

The only specialty grocery I go to is Cattlemen's Market, where half the store is a giant walk in cooler dedicated to dismantled animals for you consumption. And the prices are great!

The medical evidence is piling up, Vegan is an unhealthy diet choice. Anyone doing it is hurting themselves. All their "ethical" argument can be easily taken apart. Forcing children to do it is abuse. They need the proteins and fat to grow. Nutrients best gained from animal sources.

The simple fact is that life feeds on life. Such it has been since the beginning of life.

and tomatoes scream when you pick them, MIT did a study.

There are some things that only Whole Paycheck carries in my area. Food for Life's Ezekiel products, for instance. My Doctor recommends them because not only are they wholegrain, they have a low Glycemic Index (GI). Better for diabetics. On a good day Stop & Shop (yes, it's a real chain, not just a running joke in Family Guy) has Ezekiel bread and maybe English muffins. WF has hamburger rolls (plain and sesame), wraps and sometimes frankfurter rolls.

That said, even after the Amazon.commies got in there and lowered some prices, it's still a hefty chunk out of my limited food budget.

I love what I've read about Burger Thing's new 'Impossible Whopper'. Yeah, there's no 'meat' in it. On the other hand, the cow chow it's made out of is so over-processed that it's actually worse than beef. One of the founders of Whole Foods warns against it. I'm seeing studies that a steady diet of fake meat is bad for humans. I know it's bad for me; I'm allergic to soy. It gives me unbearable cramps and deadly gas.

Diabetic. I just do not eat much bread at all. Cereals likewise.

Real meat, or real something else. I don't do fake.

Pretty much the same, but I need something to eat for breakfast. I've settled on yogurt or cottage cheese and fruit, and a little cereal. Arrowhead Mills makes a line of puffed wholegrains; corn, kamut, brown rice and millet. A half ounce runs 10-12 grams of carbohydrate. A loaf of Ezekiel bread will last me three months or more in the freezer.

Mostly, I gorge on vegetables and meat. Fresh veggies are better for me but I love the steamed ones, especially.

Fannish rules of food. I like "Breakfast food" But I will eat what crosses my plate. Chinese buffet is a favorite breakfast, or Lebanese mmmm shwarma, mmmmm.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TEoHl9sHAyc

Bring it.

now now... tobacco has no face so it's fair game... bwahahahahahahahah....

V.

And this vaping nightmare makes me smile. The vapor from these e-cigarettes triggers my COPD same as the real thing. And the symptoms of the victims are experiencing sound a lot like what it does to me, the second-hand 'smoker'.

vaping came in as the innocent step child - but it was wearing horns...

V.

How do you know that they are Vegans?

Because they scream it into your face.

lolz... I never understood vegans. Yeah, so they don't want to support factory farms. But couldn't they eat eggs from their own/local chickens? And milk products, maybe from higher class sources? No, they have to claim that their way is "healthier" too... which obviously isn't true. It's a form of masochism, martyrdom, and attention-getting. I see their point of view, but my advice would be: eating animals is justified, as long as you make your life worth more than an animal's. For me, human society is more important than the animal world. The intelligence we possess carries hope for the future. And also, if you want to improve society- you gotta take care of yourself first. Yeah, I'd fight against animal cruelty, and I hope to, but I'm never going to get there without my brain working in top shape. (Well, that's just my personal response, heheh.)

The thing is factory farms and factory fields mean we can support a population of 7 billion. Take them away and you have food riots and cannibalistic war. And we don';t want that! Things lijke "organic" food are snooty and unsustainable. On the Human scale.

The difference in nutrients between the "organic" eggs at Meijer's and the penny saver eggs? $2.00 a dozen. The chicken puts into the egg no more and no less than is needed to make a chicken. It matters not if she is a pampered "organic" free range, massaged daily, and played Dave Mathews, or one of a million at a factory farm. The eggs are no different.

Does Amish chicken taste better? Some, but not $9.00 a chicken better. Same (bigger) chicken at Meijer's? $3.95.


As an aside, I've dealt with chickens. Nasty, filthy, cannibalistic, dinosaurs that we NEED to EAT! TASTES LIKE T-REX!

here in germany many chickens actually run free or at least inside, able to peck the floor and generally act like chickens. factory farms with tiny cages with too many chicken inside which are stressed out beyond max and on a constant diet of antibiotics, are becoming less and less. they are still there though, delivering to companies which process the eggs (and as a side note, create fake "meat" vor vegs which uses up way more eggwhite than any other food process), so we as consumers can't really control where it came from. the difference between organically and factoried is only a few cents per egg, and way less antibiotics. villages everywhere have often organized marketplaces where local farmers can sell directly. also, farms sell regularly directly off the field and out of the stables and let you take a look inside as well. it costs you a bit more, but then again who really needs TV and various pay-TV programs? XD

WE should stop the rampant use of antibiotics. We don't do that anymorte in the States.. Caged chickens do not maul each other. Something I have seen more than once. Any hen that shows weakness the they will peck to death and eat her.

Here in the States "organic" eggs are $2.70 a dozen, packed in plastic. The Penny Saver eggs are $0.59 and are packed in biodegradable paper. Inside the egg? No difference. T^he only thing you pay for is snoot.

The farmer's markets around here are comparable with grocery stores. I live in a large metropolitan area. Too far to go for farmer's markets.

And I hate the term "organic" of COURSE it's organic, it has carbon in it. Often it is little more that a marketing term to jack up the price. "Organic Salt" my ass. That is NOT organic.

too true. european hospitals have huge problems with multiresistant bacterias and shit. guess where it comes from...

germany is also the undisputed master of plastic wrapping. they even want to erect laws against it. the problem though, comes from the recycling lie they erected long ago, making the consumer pay extra when most of the packaging stuff isn't even recycable, can't be taken apart, or doesn't bring enough benefits... and is thus being burned in power plants.

at least the typical egg wrapping is made from recycled paper, except pre-dyed thingies for easter and similar occasions. but those are rarely done in plastics.

yeah, organic... or "diet water", or "low-carb water". they just pull our legs, and people buy that shit.

"Gluten free" or rice cakes, or even water. Well DUH!.

right? when it's all about ideology anymore...

Stroke the buzz words, milk the gullible.

Irl I got a sister who is "mostly vegan". When i get really good ice cream or pizza hut pizza drenched in galric butter i will find her at 1-3 am nomming it. I told her once 'eat the whole dam slice' or 'whole damn scoop!" As...I am not licking the s spoon she used!

Heh. How do you tell if someone is Vegan?

Don't worry... THEY'LL tell YOU!

Now, the question is: If a vegan is also into cross-fit, which one will they NEED to tell you about first?

Imagine a vegan and cross-fit enthusiast sitting next to a guy, who sells both insurance and SCAMway in coach on a 4+ hour flight? They would divide by zero, and summon the Langoliers. :P

I'm having trouble picturing a Vegan cross-fitter. Generally, they're not healthy enough.

The second one, though? A choice slice of Hell.

And of course, the question *still* hasn't been answered: Can a true vegan swallow? :P

can a true vegan eat fruit's flesh?

You've just reminded me...

I should check on that one friend's ex- to see if her and her little cult have gotten arrested for trespass again lately...

Perhaps the vegans will back off now that we've been able to print meat in space. (Yes, we did. Beef stem cells ) Nah.

Don't you believe it. It's a cult.

Careful... You'll summon the Floridian vegan Jaguar to once again slam us all as "filthy bloodmouth carnists" in their incomparable, and oh-so-morally and intellectually superior way. :P

Ohhh Nooooo....Not the SUPERIOR one?

Mustering all my care .. hold on .. it's coming.

meh

There's nothing quite like using animal products from animals that were tortured horribly during the slaughter.

Some characters of course, are vegan because they have to be, not because they choose to be (Avery being one of them). But you know, he doesn't hold much regard for aggressive militants of ANY kind.

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/32766743/

Ah, but isn't he a vegetarian, not a Vegan? He doesn't object to leather or honey, does he?

Honey no, particularly not with his sweet tooth. He's a sucker for candy and chocolate, so dairy produce in limited quantities isn't a problem for him. Leather might make him a little uncomfortable though, given how it's made and he's less far removed from its sources than humans are.

Bwahahahahahahahaha.... Happy Birthday Vrghr...

V.

I've had a few run-ins with vegans and you're right. The ones I've had run-ins with we're real happy to get in your face about what you were eating and how bad it was for you.

Then I turned the tables on them by saying "Do you know because you're vegan you're more susceptible to certain cancers?" Then rattled off a list of cancers that seem to afflict vegans and vegetarians at about a 70% greater rate than those of us that eat meat. One of them is skin cancer.

Then I commented their eating habits was their religion that I found most hypocritical, because one's religion is of the heart and is private and should be kept that way. For some reason they got really mad... how do you piss off a liberal? You tell them the truth!

I usually tell them the story about how MIT recorded the screams tomatoes make when you pick them; study with a straight face and using a lot of big words.

It's not just liberals, it is anyone with a mistaken agenda, or a cultist.

Ben Franklin laid it down. "When an honest man finds himself mistaken, he most stop being one, or the other."

Hear hear. It's not the veganism per se - it's the individual militancy. Yes, we can always do better in how we produce our food, and no other species shares our concerns. But you can't force this on people, especially children, without pushback,

I will treat every animal humanely, right to the point I eat it.

*HUGS*
Thank you so much Rabbi!

Wuffy has a few vegetarians among his inlaws, but thankfully, no Vegans. As you say, those are definitely the militant branch! And not one that this wuff can begin to understand, or even cares too. Ol Vrghr just doesn't get it: Things like butter, milk, eggs, honey, etc., the animal goes on unharmed. In many cases benefits from the attention (especially in the case of honey by a those who do care for the bees). And the sheer ignorance and hipocrisy of so many of them just gets this wuff's blood pressure up.

Or there's the fact that so many of the "doing if for the health" ones go looking for fake meat substitutes. Vrghr can sorta understand doing that for the ones who are Vegan for the animal's sake. But if meat is so unhealthy, why go to great lengths to find something almost but not quite meat? Shouldn't even the thought of something so awful for you be abhorrent?

In any case, Chef has a great point - - Meat brings a flavor like nothing else! And this wuff is for sure one who loves to take advantage of that!

Vrghr is still trying to find an over-the-top expression of Meatiness for the upcoming Wolfenoot holiday, which has to feature Meat as the main course of the celebratory meal, in honor of the Spirit of the Great Wolf! *GRIN*

Thank you once again for this delightful artwork. You do such a great rendition of "Chef Vrghr!"

in germany someone reckoned out that faked "meats" use up more egg white than any other processed food around ever. and most of that egg white comes from factory farmed eggs... conciousness? I don't think they want to know.

Source?
TBH I'd love to have the facts down straight, since fake meat is being pushed so hard, at least in my part of the US.

hm, looks like I stumbled over a badly researched article myself. what seems to be fact is the usage of soy which seems to often come from brasil, where they burn down the jungle for. and it's often genetically altered, too. something we germans have a special problem with...

all in all it pays to research where all the foodstuffs come from.

Oy, that's two entirely separate bad things for the price of one. Deforestation and genetic modification.

next on the shelf: sudden miscellaneous mutation, brought to you by [insert random big chemicals company]. welcome to tentacular results!

I know a guy that is a vegetarian I stay silent and just take it since he is a 6th-degree black belt!

Attacking you is called "battery," and it comes with a jail term.

And he would be a hypocrite for spilling animal blood.

as Elephant Man said "...I am not an Animal!' anyway this guy is one of my senseis, he could say he was teaching a student and had my permission ahead of time. he is also my cousin through marriage.

He already showed me the 'walk' through which I used on a drunk, 'professionally homeless'; belligerent man being an asshole and telling me he could buy alcohol, after 12 PM in Michigan, (which is illegal) I ordered him to leave my store. He got in my face I decided to use what I was shown once and walked two steps, he bounced off of me like a deer does from your bumper at 40MPH and stumbled back to the floor. This motion is so new (in our century) no one has knowledge that it is a motion taught in martial arts yet, (I doubt it ever will be too).

If you are centered and the other person is not, they bounce. Yes it is taught if you know the right places.

This is different. the motion has no technique, no style and you don't think when you do it right. the secret is you drop with all your weight, relax your body, but you do it horizontally.

Miyamoto Musashi discovered it in the Warring States period of Japan; 400 years ago. He talked about how he used to kill 60 of the best samurai in duels in Japan after Noabunga unified the country under the Emporer in the Book of the Five Rings. The Emporer made Musashi his fencing master, but, since Musashi used a sword he could not teach anybody, and it was lost. He would kill his students before they could learn it. Being a line infantry samurai non-noble he only knew how to use a sword or something like a sword. It is actually above karate.

My sensei Greg Expose' taught it to me, as well as his student my second cousin Brian and his father Earl the 6th-degree black belt, his best friend since Korea.

Brian is a 4rth degree like his brother Kevin.

Earl is Jewish and does not consider that I am related to him since I am not Jewish, however, he married my cousin.

I am an artist and study magic as well.

I am a yellow belt from only knowing one kick, one punch, two sleeper holds and the hammer hand, (I taught myself the walk from being shown it once by Earl).

Greg Expose' studied the description in the Book of the Five Rings and after twenty-seven years of study discovered the motion.

It took Brian, Kevin, and Earl as well as everyone in the class Mr. Expose' teaches twenty years to learn it, the reason is it really has nothing to do with karate'. It took me three years to learn it. The only reason I can think of why that was, is because I don't have to unlearn twenty years of Karate!

Still since of my advantage of knowing how the body moves (muscles flex they don't extend) in how I could learn an individual different type of movement: the walk, the strike, spear, and the push; is I am a student of art.

I've shown other martial artists this and they cannot do it back, because they don't understand it is how you feel when you do it right, not what you do!

The drunk in the example was not falling down drunk that was just his lifestyle. he was one inch away from me. My other friend a Systema Russian KGB martial arts instructor and black belt equivalent cannot do this, George's hands look like a blur when he uses the techniques of Michael Rybycho, who is the premier Systema instructor in the world. What I know is not martial art per se, it is motion.

Centering, grounding. Pick your name. Explained to me by a sword master. It is not a difficult thing.

Kenjutsu was the art that developed from what Musashi could do. This is doing things in one action. A punch by a streetfighter or professional boxer is about nine moves, a martial artist it is five sometimes three, I do one action so which one is faster?

https://i.redd.it/ed2fau88pnuz.jpg

Vegans in a nutshell.

https://de.1jux.net/scale_images/367374_b.jpg

A better example. Also an example of a psycho progressive and feminazi.

:b

I wondered what Big Red and Trigglypuff were doing these days.

Why did I suddenly have a flash back to the end of the 'Grapes of Wrath'?

"Whenever there is someone having a good day that needs to be shit on; I'll be there...
Whenever there is someone enjoying a steak and not feeling like an asshole for having a good meal; I'll be there...
Whenever some straight white male is trying like hell to impress a girl so he wont spend the rest of his life sad and alone and might actually succeed; I'll be there...
Whenever someone I disagree with is not not being de platformed or called a Nazi to de-validate everything they are and stand for, I'll be there..."

Look at your teeth and get over it. Humans are not cows.

Oh good grief I couldn't STAND the family pooping on everything indiscriminately. I would have to eat them or something.

Ruminants will eat meat.

If they have to. Pigs aren't ruminants but especially will, they're very like us.

Pigs are omnivores, very liker us.

Fannish Ruler of Food.
1: It it doesw not move, it is food, eat.
2: If it moves, render unmoving, see rule one.

There's also a billion of them alive worldwide at any one time. If the fictitious sapient animal uprising ever were to happen... well, let's just say I don't think it would start with the chimps.

it might be a tie between pig, fox, and wolf; those seem to be the smartest and most adabtable ones. maybe followed around by crows and ravens...
you probbaly know what happened at the Animal Farm, yes? :)

Wolves already team up with ravens and crows. But don't count out the raccoons.

Raccoons would be the looters.

so do foxes; but raccoons rarely build packs.

wild pigs in middle europe have taken advantage of humans cropping stuff throughout the year. so they have youngs with them almost all the time, which means, german hunters are forbidden to hunt them. it seems they have learned that already... they also recognize the hunter's paths being walked as well as their cars being parked, and thus hide in the underbrush. so we shouldn't underestimate their cunning swinery. :)

Be glad they have hooves.

But they DO have tusks.

Can attack, but not do anything with it. I have sharp pointies and guns, and pig is what is for dinner.

Didn't say it would be a *successful* uprising.

I had a bit of fun with a couple of vegans in a grocery store a while back. They were standing in the soup aisle, criticizing all the soups that still had meat in them, and going even further to say that any food that isn't (a) vegan and (b) entirely organic should be outlawed.

Hey, you want to eat like that, that's your business. Don't tell me what to eat, and don't start thinking about passing legislation about it.

They indirectly ticked me off, so I had a little indirect fun with them. I pretended to pull a cell phone out of my pocket (I do not actually own a cell phone), and had the following conversation -- just loudly enough for these two to hear.

"Oh, hey, I'm glad you called me back. Yeah, I want to discuss a business proposal with you. It's an idea for a new snack food. Now hear me out. Here's the idea -- hot-dog-filled, bacon-wrapped, batter-dipped, deep-fried, chocolate-covered Twinkies!"

I looked over at the two vegans, as if concerned they'd just heard my idea, and they both looked about ready to barf. I kept walking around the corner of the aisle, while saying, "Yeah, it's perfect, right? Probably have to be in the freezer section..."

Only decent Vegan I can think of is Apu. From The Simpsons. I wish more would follow his example.

What a vegan diet does to a MF
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B--943tgdew&t=15s&pp=ygUQb25pc2lvbiBrdW1idWNoYQ%3D%3D