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XD That is a funny way to comment!

How could anyone not like it! Tis gorgeous! <3

Thanks hun :)

Probably I haven't stated it clearly. This is the biggest EPIC FAIL among all my previous 50 or so commissions, with artists varying from novices to masters, with content varying from intelligent art to kinky porn. I haven't asked to change anything just because it can't be fixed. It can only be redone from scratch, by another artist.

This is the first time I have to say something like this, because this is the first time I haven't enjoyed a single pixel or stroke.

Sorry.

P.S. I'm not a player and the character isn't copyrighted.

You really need to learn how to speak up properly without being so insulting. I drew and painted EXACTLY what you asked of me. You wanted a snow leopard laying on his stomach, drawing pictures of a female snow leopard, in a cave illuminated by the light of a kerosene lamp with a view to the outside where there is a snow storm with snow blowing into the cave. If you do not like your commission, then I understand and am terribly sorry; however, I gave you ample opportunities to changes things from the very beginning.

First off, I sent you the original sketch, which you approved of. If you wanted something changed then, you should have said something to me. I told you to let me know if you wanted something changed. You said the only things you wanted changed was the fluff on his tail because it made his tail look "broken," which I fixed. You also wondered why the paper he was drawing on was blank and I replied and said that I would draw that in digitally, as well as not to draw "hyper boobs" on the female snow leopards in the drawings. I then asked if you wanted to see the sketch again and you said for me to go ahead and colour.

So, since you approved otherwise, the problem isn't with the actual drawing. If it was, then you should have said so. If the problem is with the colouring, again, I gave you an opportunity to state what you wanted changed. You said no changes and the transaction was complete.

I'm the one who is sorry that you are not happy with the commission, but please speak to me with an ounce of respect as I speak to you.

Thank you.

Mr. art critic du-jour here doesn't know how to say what he wants and then flips his shit over it? Sounds like his problem to me, not yours.

My intention wasn't to insult you, my intention was to express my opinion. I don't want to use euphemisms when I say "crap".

Yes, it's my fault too, you're right. I haven't started bitching when I saw your sketch, I haven't said it's absolute crap and it must be completely redone.

Then again, you would have said it's "your style" and you don't really need to fix it. You've said that about the tail, haven't you? And by the way, you haven't replied to my last letter, which did contain questions.

Then again, I prefer giving the artist FREEDOM. This is how true art is done. This is how true artists prefer to work. This is how I got my best pieces.

And then again, do you expect me to list pretty much every pixel and tell you to fix them? Muzzle long like wolf's and going at wrong angle, tail hardly distinguishable from the body, eye pupils put in wrong spots of the eyes (why doesn't he look at the piece he's drawing?), spots having nothing in common with real snow leopard's spots (head is wrong, tail is wrong), simplistic background, shadows laid at wrong angles, storm looking like fractal with random dots, lamp isometric at the bottom and flat at the top, pieces of paper made of steel and drawn isometric (ever heard about prespective?), the piece on the right with incomprehensible creature crapping and asking for help, this silly texture effect you use to hide oversimplification and mistakes (it's cave, not fabric, so why does it look like the latter?)... Do I need to go on?

Speaking as someone who has gotten a commission from her. I can tell you yes, you need to be specific. She encourages it, pretty much insists. It's nice and all that you want to let the artist have freedom but then you only have yourself to blame if it's not exactly what you want.

She took time and energy and gave you a picture that as far as she knew was what you wanted. You failed in telling her specifics and details. You failed to correct her when she repeatedly asked for your input. She's not a mind reader after all.

So spare the whole "Partly my fault" stuff, my friend. She delivered exactly what you told her to give you. Which by the sound of it was very very little on your part.

I've described pretty well what kind of spots I want, the pictures I want to see on the pieces of paper etc. She haven't delivered even that. And reread my last paragraph please. Do you think all the mistakes mentioned there, like isometric pieces of steel, happened just because I hadn't said to correct them?

No offense but it's your word against hers on all this. In this case I'm leaning towards her side because of my experience with her drawing a commission for me. She was very friendly and kept in contact with me throughout. I never once felt I was not in control of what was being put to paper.

Then again you also say you've tried numerous times with other artists who you also think failed. So kind of doesn't paint you in a terribly reasonable light.

English is my second language, so I may use wrong words sometimes. :)

I've commissioned people around 50 times. Out of those, this is the only commission I consider absolute fail. If artists didn't deliver what I want, I wouldn't commission them and spend lots of money, would I? ;) Yes, some art pieces aren't as good as I expected, but there's always something about the pictures that I like. And there're artists who surprise you by drawing something ten times better than you could ever imagine.

Some of the art I commissioned is here on FA:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3491217/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2530228/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2981671/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1712307/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3363520/ (bottom right)
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3231361/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3149249/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3054695/ (middle)
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1903008/

Oh, and yes, Shaye is a nice person, I absolutely agree, but that's not what we're discussing.

Since the commission transaction has been closed (and I have since deleted the .psd file), I'd be happy to throw in a free badge or some sketches for you or something since you are unhappy with your art. I don't know if you have a particular character or anything that you'd want. I *do* want to resolve this somehow. I walk on eggshells for my commissioners because I want them to be happy and I hate that you aren't.

Hmm... Thank you, I'll probably prefer the sketches path. I'll tell you when I come up with an idea.

Okay. Sounds good.

I also want to clarify that I can't handle 20 or so sketches now. LOL I have a huge queue right now, but I am willing to work with you so let me know what you think is fair.

i actually wanted to say thank you, through your post here i found several amazing artists that i'd never heard of before!

You're welcome. :) Sadly, there're a lot of great artists who are almost unknown... And I don't know how to make them more popular. Recommendation system I developed almost a year ago ( http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/783725/ ) made some people search for new artists, but that's all I've achieved. :) I don't have thousands of watchers, I can't just tell people, "Hey, look, this guy does awesome stuff!" So I have no options other than attempting to promote them like I did here. :D

i try to spread the word myself through journals, and i think i have a decent amount of watchers... but there are so many people out there who deserve more praise ;_;

anywho, that was muchly appreciated, thanks again

Oh, and yes, a lot of it IS my style. I draw with lots of sharp angles. It's in all of my art and is obvious it is how I draw. Still, I did fix that for you, such as the tail. I'd always fix it for anyone who thought it was too angular or whatever.

Not a problem with the artist's ability to follow direction, I can vouch for this. I've commissioned her multiple times and every time it's come out exactly as we discussed.

So either you don't like her art style, in which case you shouldn't have commissioned her, or you didn't articulate your desires properly, which is a big fat case of Own Damn Fault.

Sure, it's my fault too. My preference to give artists freedom didn't work here. I've overestimated Shaye's capabilities too. For two hundred bucks, I've expected more.

My abilities were not underestimated here, after all, I do lots of commissions for lots of other happy customers all the time. The key is communication, which you did not give. Yes, you are right that I did not respond to your last email. Yes, you should have said "I don't like the sketch" in the very beginning and I would have done it over. You should have said, "I don't like this and that and that" and I would have done more on whatever you felt needed fixed.

you sir, have no class.

This.

Spirit's art is always top-knotch and she is a classy lady.

shes a whoozfur! and shes awesome, ive seen her work her magic in person <3

Awww, *blushes* Well, you Whoozfurs are awesome, as well! :D Especially mah fuzzy tiger!

squee!

It's always funny to to see how all these "fans" act. No matter what and how you draw, they will praise you.

It's also funny when people who commission art sputter hyperbole like "I haven't enjoyed a single pixel or stroke" to try to recover from something that's mostly their fault. If you want drama and conflict there are plenty of people around here willing to play your game, you just have to ask.

Thank you for your generous offer, but I'm capable of causing drama myself, I don't need help from anybody. :p

The problem is resolved anyway. And the way I see it, there was no conflict per se.

Well, it's certainly obvious that you're good at causing drama all by yourself.

And if there was no conflict, what reason was there to go and make drama anyway?

Why this immediately made me think of the Secret Squirrel episode "Queen Bea". Love tail. ^..^

And it's an incomplete thought. XD I don't really know why it made me think of that.

omg amazing. can i have it if he doesnt want it? lol

lol I can't give out prints of another's character (even though he isn't a specific character) XD

he said it isnt copyrighted ^^

True, but the fact that he doesn't want a print means I don't have to spend money on one XD I'm broke!

ohhh.. well my roomie with the fancy printer moved out lol

there ya go! lol

Shaye, I changed my mind. I want a print. This guy knows the address it must be sent to. :)

Seriously, send this guy a print please. I've spent my money, I don't want it to go into trash.

Sure thing! :)

You should print high resoltion version. ;) http://i46.tinypic.com/2wp051j.jpg

(FA attached my previous comment to the wrong place, so maybe it could attach it here...)

Shaye, I changed my mind. I want a print. This guy knows the address it must be sent to. :)

Seriously, send this guy a print please. I've spent my money, I don't want it to go into trash.

While I'm hardly justifying the client's attitude and lack of communication, I have to agree that this pic falls amazingly short of what appears to be your standards.

I had absolutely no idea what the background was until I read your explanation in the description here - it really does not look like he's in a cave. The shading is way flatter than is normal for your work.

What I perceive as the biggest problem is the tail. It curls out from the base at an impossible angle, then becomes to incredibly meshed together with the torso that it took me several minutes to figure out where the torso ended and tail began. Then as it passes his head, it curves again at what appears to be a right-angle (once I figured out that it WAS a tail, it looked like a broken tail). All things considered, the tail just plain doesn't look like a tail at all.

I like your work and I understand that the client seems to be at fault for not voicing his concerns, but this is just way below your true quality.

Possibly so. :) Thank you for your input, as well! Sometimes, this just happens in art. I did my absolute best on this piece but sometimes they just fall short. Now, of course, the client should have told me "this needs more shading or this needs more definition." I honestly don't see much wrong with it, but that is apparently just me. :) I wish he would have just told me what he would like to see changed instead of taken a nasty attitude with me. I want to give my clients the best quality I can give them. Too late now, though, I guess.

Thanks for your input, hun! :) Maybe I should just stick with toony all around. XD

The trick is perception. I too took issue with the tail... but I was able to make out the cave with no issue. Those with a highly artistic eye are going to be able to pick out the little things and notice them... others aren't going to see what they're supposed to.

And that's not your fault.

*hugs*

Funny thing, the tail is one thing he liked. :D

Oh well. *shrugs* Some people will go out of their way to be displeased. And I really wish I could tell you why that is, but... I can't.

*hugs back* He should be grateful you did the commission at all. Good Gods. >.<

In all honestly I have to say this pic is rather good :) I like the feel of it, and I can totally get that its a cave and snow storm without reading the artist comments! lol I think the only thing I'm not fond of in this piece are the feet, but me being me, and me being like a foot-hater tharts just normal for the most part lol maybe just cuz they actually make me think "feet" rather than "paws", even though they are paws...and I'm just dumb sometimes?
ANYWAYS! I like it, and I really love how he's just chillin' and huggin' his tail while drawing, its just cute and look's rather relaxed :)

Thanks sweets :)

Personally, I've noticed that too much detail in a commission request just means more things that can go wrong. I tend to be somewhat light on the descriptions (heck, how much description does an invisible wolf need, anyway? ) and the artist is usually good enough to work with it and fill in the details. I probably do this because I'm not an artist myself and so I trust the artist I've commissioned to fill in coloring, composition, etc., based on their expertise. And in several cases, they've exceeded my expectations by coming up with something I really like and would never have thought to ask. There have also been a few that perhaps might not be as good, but I certainly would not be rude enough to post a passive-aggressive 'tirade' in public, or even in private, for that matter. The only time I might post publicly is if the artist were to take my money and run.

So, anyway, I think your art is fantastic and one of these days, I'll likely be requesting a commission from you.

Cheers!

-Spiritwolf.

I want to draw you someday. D: Or the lack thereof. XD Your character sounds fun!

Thanks hun!

Heh...well, "The Invisible Man" was written during Victorian days (1893) -- I think your style would work rather well. I'll keep an eye open for when you're available again for commissions.

Cheers!

-Spiritwolf.

he wants a print now o.o *points up*

wow amazing =3