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Well, since I appear to be getting some rather interesting feedback from the journal version, I figure I might as well post this as a submission as well since I do recall seeing someone want to favorite this.
Well, here you go!
Also, a few things I want to point out.
1) I AM NOT TRYING TO GET ALLAN BACK ON FA! I think it's good for him to be off of it since it's allowing him to focus on doing what he should be doing, like getting a place of his own and a job.
2) THIS JOURNAL IS NOT ABOUT ALLAN, ALLAN IS JUST AN EXAMPLE! My emphasis here is that people are all too willing to hate on the guy and use him as a punching bag. But what about others out there like Allan? What about the Allan that will come after he's gone? There's going to be people like that, whether we like it or not. What we can do to change things is our attitudes towards them.
Are we really so willing to hate on people even if we don't know who they are?
3) I AM NOT A WHITE KNIGHT! Frankly, I don't see what's so wrong with wanting to be one, but as far as I can tell, that's not what I am. I make mistakes, I make faux paus, and I'm not someone who's going to be perfect. I never will. I'm just some guy who things that we can be better and am using this as an opportunity to point out spots where I think we, as a fandom, could use improvement.
And if I make a mistake in doing this, then I'm willing to man up, admit my error, and apologize for it.
So there you have it. This journal, like the last one before it, is an exact copy from the actual journal submission. No cuts or changes.
Enjoy.
~Otaku-Man
Well, here you go!
Also, a few things I want to point out.
1) I AM NOT TRYING TO GET ALLAN BACK ON FA! I think it's good for him to be off of it since it's allowing him to focus on doing what he should be doing, like getting a place of his own and a job.
2) THIS JOURNAL IS NOT ABOUT ALLAN, ALLAN IS JUST AN EXAMPLE! My emphasis here is that people are all too willing to hate on the guy and use him as a punching bag. But what about others out there like Allan? What about the Allan that will come after he's gone? There's going to be people like that, whether we like it or not. What we can do to change things is our attitudes towards them.
Are we really so willing to hate on people even if we don't know who they are?
3) I AM NOT A WHITE KNIGHT! Frankly, I don't see what's so wrong with wanting to be one, but as far as I can tell, that's not what I am. I make mistakes, I make faux paus, and I'm not someone who's going to be perfect. I never will. I'm just some guy who things that we can be better and am using this as an opportunity to point out spots where I think we, as a fandom, could use improvement.
And if I make a mistake in doing this, then I'm willing to man up, admit my error, and apologize for it.
So there you have it. This journal, like the last one before it, is an exact copy from the actual journal submission. No cuts or changes.
Enjoy.
~Otaku-Man
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To be a devil's advocate here- and of course, hopefully not stirring up more drama-
What about the bigger picture?
From what Ive read from this, Otaku's not trying to promote him- rather, just help him on a more one one one basis.
With that said, yes, there are two sides of this debate...
1.) Is helping one person enabling....
2.) Or, is helping one person leading an example?
What about the bigger picture?
From what Ive read from this, Otaku's not trying to promote him- rather, just help him on a more one one one basis.
With that said, yes, there are two sides of this debate...
1.) Is helping one person enabling....
2.) Or, is helping one person leading an example?
The drama was already there. I merely addressed it. The drama won't go away unless it is confronted and dealt with. Some drama can be diffused by walking away, but this drama here goes a little deeper. Sometimes, calling it out and getting people to face it and reflect on it is the only way to really put a stop to it.
Plus, far be it from me to further Allan's goals. I have issues with his goals myself, especially coming back to FA. I don't think it's a good idea, and I think he needs to let it go. But that doesn't mean I'm going to stop talking with him on my own time, and try to help him get the professional help that I, and many others, think he needs. I'm not asking for people to be buddy buddy with him, and I'm not asking people to like him.
I am asking people, however, to look at themselves and ask a few questions like:
"Am I really willing to hate on somebody at the drop of a hat? If so, what kind of person does that make me?"
"Do I really have a reason to hold a grudge against someone for so long?"
"Why do I care/not care so much about this?"
I understand your concerns, and believe me when I say that I had to pause and think about this before posting. However, Allan's a perfect example to show us, as a fandom, our own imperfections and flaws. It's a good opportunity to look at them, reflect, and hopefully fix them.
That make sense?
~Otaku-Man
Plus, far be it from me to further Allan's goals. I have issues with his goals myself, especially coming back to FA. I don't think it's a good idea, and I think he needs to let it go. But that doesn't mean I'm going to stop talking with him on my own time, and try to help him get the professional help that I, and many others, think he needs. I'm not asking for people to be buddy buddy with him, and I'm not asking people to like him.
I am asking people, however, to look at themselves and ask a few questions like:
"Am I really willing to hate on somebody at the drop of a hat? If so, what kind of person does that make me?"
"Do I really have a reason to hold a grudge against someone for so long?"
"Why do I care/not care so much about this?"
I understand your concerns, and believe me when I say that I had to pause and think about this before posting. However, Allan's a perfect example to show us, as a fandom, our own imperfections and flaws. It's a good opportunity to look at them, reflect, and hopefully fix them.
That make sense?
~Otaku-Man
If I can get through to at least one person, then it's time well spent. Although the recent dust up certainly isn't helping things any. Right now I'm waiting for that to blow over.
It also doesn't help that this current heatwave I'm having is making my PC overheat and randomly crash. Until I get that resolved, I can't do much anyway.
Although I am glad that you're still keeping an eye on the movement. For a minute there, I thought I had lost you.
~Otaku-Man
It also doesn't help that this current heatwave I'm having is making my PC overheat and randomly crash. Until I get that resolved, I can't do much anyway.
Although I am glad that you're still keeping an eye on the movement. For a minute there, I thought I had lost you.
~Otaku-Man
Essentially, you have. I cannot support a movement run by someone that uses it to promote their own personal agenda, especially when said agenda is a meaningless endeavor trying to put someone in a good light that obviously hasn't made any sort of effort to change in the least.
You act like I talk about him all the time. Besides, I'm not trying to put him in a good light. I'm not going to go and say that he hasn't made mistakes. He's made plenty, and I think him being off FA is doing him good.
Also aren't all movements founded on personal agendas anyway? My personal agenda with the ADLM was to find some way and take action on said way to reduce the amount of drama in the fandom and on the internet. That's my agenda.
I've no respect, nor time, for people who manipulate and abuse their position of power or influence in order to further themselves, nor for people with a complete and total lack of ability to learn from their mistakes, suck it up, and take on some semblance of responsibility.
You mean like
dragoneer? I know you've had some very harsh words about him, and frankly if you think I'm manipulating and abusing my position, then what am I in comparison to him?
Although that second part, yeah, you are right. He does lack the ability to learn from mistakes. That's why I'm getting him to see a psychologist.
I'm not easily insulted, but when I'm sitting here with all of $7 to my name, borrowing money from my ex (who is a very dear friend and offered before I asked; I don't want to give the wrong impression) just so I can continue to eat one meal a day while scrounging up anything I possibly can to put up for sale on Craigslist at a fraction of what it's worth, in hopes of pulling together enough money to survive while I wait for a loan to clear, crossing my fingers that my father and I can pull a magic rabbit out of our asses that'll get an investment contract signed to further the family business, and some douche for the umpteenth time over is "broke as hell," begging for DONATIONS, and then blowing it all on PORN?! I've BEEN homeless before, and I busted my balls to get to where I am now, and every day I'm -still- tap dancing on the edge of being homeless again. So forgive me if I seem a bit ticked off and jaded about you sitting there proclaiming your undying loyalty to someone that clearly has -no- place on this planet.
If you'd like, I'd be more than happy to help you in any way I can. Whether spreading the word or finding resources. You might still be able to get in for the Angel Food Ministries' April sale if you act fast.
https://www.angelfoodministries.com/
And in comparison, I can see why you're so angry. Have you gotten food stamps and unemployment benefits? I'm hoping so. If not, I can help you find out what you need in order to see about getting certified.
My pride, dignity and self-respect went out the window years ago, because I figured out that survival is more important than ego and saving face could ever be.
I know that feeling. I'm 27, married, and still living with parents. I'm on food stamps, denied unemployment since 2008, and am currently clawing my way back up. It's because I've been and AM there that I decided to see about helping others too.
Y'know what it's called when you have everything ripped out from under you overnight? "Life." Shit happens. Some of us learn to step to the side, others perish, and those left continue to live their lives under the false reality that someone will always bail them out, and they don't have to do anything about their problems. Even -after- you posted saying this guy had changed and needed help, he -still- continues on with his old habits, and since he's already at the bottom of the barrel in everyone's eyes, the only thing he's doing is taking people down with him; his first casualty being YOU. If that's your definition of a friend, then I'm sorry.
A friend sticks by no matter what. Good times or bad.
But I think you misread if you think I'm saying that he needs help. He doesn't. Not from FA, and not from anyone else in the ADLM. I'm all the help he needs. I'm not helping him get back on FA, either. I'm helping him get food (check), helping him get a steady income whether by unemployment or otherwise (check), helping him get shelter, and helping him find a job. Word has it he's been spending today printing out resumes for jobs he's applying to.
Can I prove all this? Unfortunately no, since I'm not there to stand over his shoulder. Although I can get copies of his resume if I asked, I'm sure. I'm thinking I might want to look over them and help him with that anyway. Something tells me he'll need some proofreading.
You're also right that he still continues with his old habits. It's not something I'm happy about, and something that has lately caused another major dust up here on FA. I for one am going to not even acknowledge that, and instead just focus on the important stuff he needs to do OFFLINE. Plus, getting him to break that habit is far more than what I can do. That's why I'm urging him to see a psychologist. I believe he has an addiction and quite possibly a mental disorder as well. I've asked that once he sees someone, he grant written proof so that I can see or hear, straight from the psychologist's pen or mouth, what he does or does not have. Until then, all that can be done is speculate.
And instead of being all angry, thinking I'm only here to help an ingrate, why not ask for help yourself? It sounds like you're in a rather nasty pickle, and I, and others on here, are more than willing to help if you ask. If you don't ask, people can't help because people won't know.
This is the first time I'm hearing about any of your problems. Allan's problems are ones that I'm well aware of since I've chatted with him on the side off and on for the past year. I'm not asking anyone else to step in and do anything for him. I also didn't intend for him to be the focus of his journal.
Allan was not the focus of this journal. The people who get their rocks off tormenting him even though they've never met, spoken, or knew a thing about him, ARE! Apparently, he's left such a bad taste on FA, that I had to write a follow up journal clarifying my point even more because people couldn't get past the idea that I would even bring up his name in passing. I'm here decrying the constant taunting, mocking, and harassing of this guy for mistakes he has made and mistakes he still makes.
People are using him as a punching bag. Does he deserve at least some form of punishment for what he's done? Yes, I think so. But the constant harassment is taking things too far. He's already been punished, he's already being punished, and the constant hate on him is just uncalled for at this point.
If there's uncalled for hate going against you, let me know, and I'll gladly let people know of your situation too. I wish you'd speak up more, because otherwise, how else am I going to know?
Response or not, this is the last of my time I'll be devoting to this rampant idiocy.
If that's the way you feel, then go right ahead. Although if you really are in that tight of a pickle, I'm still willing to give you whatever help I can offer. PM me if you ever need any help.
All I can say now is that I wish you the best and that you take care. I hope it all works out for you.
~Otaku-Man
You act like I talk about him all the time. Besides, I'm not trying to put him in a good light. I'm not going to go and say that he hasn't made mistakes. He's made plenty, and I think him being off FA is doing him good.
Also aren't all movements founded on personal agendas anyway? My personal agenda with the ADLM was to find some way and take action on said way to reduce the amount of drama in the fandom and on the internet. That's my agenda.
I've no respect, nor time, for people who manipulate and abuse their position of power or influence in order to further themselves, nor for people with a complete and total lack of ability to learn from their mistakes, suck it up, and take on some semblance of responsibility.
You mean like
dragoneer? I know you've had some very harsh words about him, and frankly if you think I'm manipulating and abusing my position, then what am I in comparison to him?Although that second part, yeah, you are right. He does lack the ability to learn from mistakes. That's why I'm getting him to see a psychologist.
I'm not easily insulted, but when I'm sitting here with all of $7 to my name, borrowing money from my ex (who is a very dear friend and offered before I asked; I don't want to give the wrong impression) just so I can continue to eat one meal a day while scrounging up anything I possibly can to put up for sale on Craigslist at a fraction of what it's worth, in hopes of pulling together enough money to survive while I wait for a loan to clear, crossing my fingers that my father and I can pull a magic rabbit out of our asses that'll get an investment contract signed to further the family business, and some douche for the umpteenth time over is "broke as hell," begging for DONATIONS, and then blowing it all on PORN?! I've BEEN homeless before, and I busted my balls to get to where I am now, and every day I'm -still- tap dancing on the edge of being homeless again. So forgive me if I seem a bit ticked off and jaded about you sitting there proclaiming your undying loyalty to someone that clearly has -no- place on this planet.
If you'd like, I'd be more than happy to help you in any way I can. Whether spreading the word or finding resources. You might still be able to get in for the Angel Food Ministries' April sale if you act fast.
https://www.angelfoodministries.com/
And in comparison, I can see why you're so angry. Have you gotten food stamps and unemployment benefits? I'm hoping so. If not, I can help you find out what you need in order to see about getting certified.
My pride, dignity and self-respect went out the window years ago, because I figured out that survival is more important than ego and saving face could ever be.
I know that feeling. I'm 27, married, and still living with parents. I'm on food stamps, denied unemployment since 2008, and am currently clawing my way back up. It's because I've been and AM there that I decided to see about helping others too.
Y'know what it's called when you have everything ripped out from under you overnight? "Life." Shit happens. Some of us learn to step to the side, others perish, and those left continue to live their lives under the false reality that someone will always bail them out, and they don't have to do anything about their problems. Even -after- you posted saying this guy had changed and needed help, he -still- continues on with his old habits, and since he's already at the bottom of the barrel in everyone's eyes, the only thing he's doing is taking people down with him; his first casualty being YOU. If that's your definition of a friend, then I'm sorry.
A friend sticks by no matter what. Good times or bad.
But I think you misread if you think I'm saying that he needs help. He doesn't. Not from FA, and not from anyone else in the ADLM. I'm all the help he needs. I'm not helping him get back on FA, either. I'm helping him get food (check), helping him get a steady income whether by unemployment or otherwise (check), helping him get shelter, and helping him find a job. Word has it he's been spending today printing out resumes for jobs he's applying to.
Can I prove all this? Unfortunately no, since I'm not there to stand over his shoulder. Although I can get copies of his resume if I asked, I'm sure. I'm thinking I might want to look over them and help him with that anyway. Something tells me he'll need some proofreading.
You're also right that he still continues with his old habits. It's not something I'm happy about, and something that has lately caused another major dust up here on FA. I for one am going to not even acknowledge that, and instead just focus on the important stuff he needs to do OFFLINE. Plus, getting him to break that habit is far more than what I can do. That's why I'm urging him to see a psychologist. I believe he has an addiction and quite possibly a mental disorder as well. I've asked that once he sees someone, he grant written proof so that I can see or hear, straight from the psychologist's pen or mouth, what he does or does not have. Until then, all that can be done is speculate.
And instead of being all angry, thinking I'm only here to help an ingrate, why not ask for help yourself? It sounds like you're in a rather nasty pickle, and I, and others on here, are more than willing to help if you ask. If you don't ask, people can't help because people won't know.
This is the first time I'm hearing about any of your problems. Allan's problems are ones that I'm well aware of since I've chatted with him on the side off and on for the past year. I'm not asking anyone else to step in and do anything for him. I also didn't intend for him to be the focus of his journal.
Allan was not the focus of this journal. The people who get their rocks off tormenting him even though they've never met, spoken, or knew a thing about him, ARE! Apparently, he's left such a bad taste on FA, that I had to write a follow up journal clarifying my point even more because people couldn't get past the idea that I would even bring up his name in passing. I'm here decrying the constant taunting, mocking, and harassing of this guy for mistakes he has made and mistakes he still makes.
People are using him as a punching bag. Does he deserve at least some form of punishment for what he's done? Yes, I think so. But the constant harassment is taking things too far. He's already been punished, he's already being punished, and the constant hate on him is just uncalled for at this point.
If there's uncalled for hate going against you, let me know, and I'll gladly let people know of your situation too. I wish you'd speak up more, because otherwise, how else am I going to know?
Response or not, this is the last of my time I'll be devoting to this rampant idiocy.
If that's the way you feel, then go right ahead. Although if you really are in that tight of a pickle, I'm still willing to give you whatever help I can offer. PM me if you ever need any help.
All I can say now is that I wish you the best and that you take care. I hope it all works out for you.
~Otaku-Man
When I found out he got some commissions as soon as he got some money, I was upset. I mean REALLY upset. I've put him on a strict "NO COMMISSIONS" policy until he has a home and a job. The commissions coming out now were originally bought a month ago and are just being finished now. As soon as I found out, and I found out with the help of 'Neer, by the way, I immediately confronted him and scolded him, hard, about it.
And I do expect some resistance, and regardless, getting through that is key.
~Otaku-Man
And I do expect some resistance, and regardless, getting through that is key.
~Otaku-Man
alright, to be fair-
Allan didn't steal, per se, but he did seek (and receive) a large amount of money from various members of the community, with the promise that it would be spent helping him get back on his feet- used to get, say, food, or shelter- in addition, he has a background of taking advantage of people willing to offer him room and board- with the promise he would look for a job and start helping to pay food and hiw own board- and none of these thigns have ever happened.
what it comes down to, is that Allan was -out there-
it'd be like..
okay, this is a crude example, but it Dragoneer died, more people would post a journal about it than they would if, say, I died.
he gets more negative attention than what you define as an "actual" crook because he was well known before it became a serious/public issue.
also, because the way he goes about it is.. frankly, funny.
and let's face it, people who are amusingly unaware are much more fun to talk about and obsess over than those who are truly wronging others.. though the exact reason escapes me.
Allan didn't steal, per se, but he did seek (and receive) a large amount of money from various members of the community, with the promise that it would be spent helping him get back on his feet- used to get, say, food, or shelter- in addition, he has a background of taking advantage of people willing to offer him room and board- with the promise he would look for a job and start helping to pay food and hiw own board- and none of these thigns have ever happened.
what it comes down to, is that Allan was -out there-
it'd be like..
okay, this is a crude example, but it Dragoneer died, more people would post a journal about it than they would if, say, I died.
he gets more negative attention than what you define as an "actual" crook because he was well known before it became a serious/public issue.
also, because the way he goes about it is.. frankly, funny.
and let's face it, people who are amusingly unaware are much more fun to talk about and obsess over than those who are truly wronging others.. though the exact reason escapes me.
On the contrary, it's already happened. It started more than a year ago.
But like I said to fluffdance, ignoring it won't make this go away. Sometimes, stupid arguments between two people can be avoided by one person going "You know what? Forget it. I'm out." and boom, drama over.
But this is not one of those cases. This is an issue that has been bothering me for a while now, and something that I think needs to be discussed. If it causes some drama, then it definitely won't be anything when compared to the drama that's already happened and is still going on elsewhere.
Your concern is legitimate, but I've given quite a bit of thought to this, and frankly, I think it's time that we looked at ourselves and learned something from the drama that's happened.
~Otaku-Man
But like I said to fluffdance, ignoring it won't make this go away. Sometimes, stupid arguments between two people can be avoided by one person going "You know what? Forget it. I'm out." and boom, drama over.
But this is not one of those cases. This is an issue that has been bothering me for a while now, and something that I think needs to be discussed. If it causes some drama, then it definitely won't be anything when compared to the drama that's already happened and is still going on elsewhere.
Your concern is legitimate, but I've given quite a bit of thought to this, and frankly, I think it's time that we looked at ourselves and learned something from the drama that's happened.
~Otaku-Man
Also bud- as much as I'm loathe to plug this site (and Maker knows, I am NOT a fan of them, at all)...
Well, just take a -large- grain of salt with this bud :3
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Allan
Well, just take a -large- grain of salt with this bud :3
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Allan
I'm not trying to "hate" on that Allan guy, cause I have no need to. He didnt start anything with me, and has questioned a few times about art, though at those times didnt have the money to do so, so didnt. All is correct in my moral books.
However, this did bring up a good question when I thought about how the head of this place wanted to help bring him back (which I'm not opposed to doing, just brought up a question in general; I'm staying neutral on who should go who should stay at the moment)
I could be wrong, wouldnt be the first time, surely wont be the last, but I think as a group that prides themselves on defusing drama and all that, it would be within the group's nature to have a publically listed list of Artists and Commissioners that tend to either a) Not do the work, b) do less then they agreed on, c) not pay what was agreed on, d) character theft, e) art theft, f) redistribution of art without authorization by the artist, g) overly rude/brash behavoir during commission-business, h) harassment, i) misc. One list would be offline and would have names/accounts/unknown checks that state how many people have made such a claim. After it reaches past 3, they make the public list to help avoid drama in the community by warning others of the improper conduct that he/she has done.
Anywho, just tossing out my 2 cents for anyone to check on :)
~N~
However, this did bring up a good question when I thought about how the head of this place wanted to help bring him back (which I'm not opposed to doing, just brought up a question in general; I'm staying neutral on who should go who should stay at the moment)
I could be wrong, wouldnt be the first time, surely wont be the last, but I think as a group that prides themselves on defusing drama and all that, it would be within the group's nature to have a publically listed list of Artists and Commissioners that tend to either a) Not do the work, b) do less then they agreed on, c) not pay what was agreed on, d) character theft, e) art theft, f) redistribution of art without authorization by the artist, g) overly rude/brash behavoir during commission-business, h) harassment, i) misc. One list would be offline and would have names/accounts/unknown checks that state how many people have made such a claim. After it reaches past 3, they make the public list to help avoid drama in the community by warning others of the improper conduct that he/she has done.
Anywho, just tossing out my 2 cents for anyone to check on :)
~N~
We've thought about that before, actually. You can see the original journal about it here:
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/746038/
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/746218/
The idea was shot down since it would be too liable to cause drama then avoid it. Not to mention that there are already sites out there like "Buyer Beware" or "Artist Beware" that do the same thing.
But if you're interested in talking about it more, I'm all ears.
~Otaku-Man
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/746038/
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/746218/
The idea was shot down since it would be too liable to cause drama then avoid it. Not to mention that there are already sites out there like "Buyer Beware" or "Artist Beware" that do the same thing.
But if you're interested in talking about it more, I'm all ears.
~Otaku-Man
As much as I understand and empathise with your sympathies and desire to help, I think this one is best left untouched. The drama surrounding this guy was like a forest fire; there's a lot of hate spewed about but it's mostly directionless. Generally upset people finding an outlet. Most of the people participating in the drama barely know the guy, so it's not a personal hatred based on experience. It will cool off with the passage of time, because the anger expressed by most wasn't founded upon personal grievences but rather a reaction to a story. Better to let it go until it all dies down; the more he persues redemption and the more it is shown that he is trying, all the more will it appear he has done something exceptionally awful.
At the very least, writing a massive journal about it which I barely had the energy to read myself isn't the best way to put across a message. I get what you're doing but this isn't going to change peoples minds. I wouldn't say it was genuine hate either. It's just emotional discharge, not logical or thought out and it happens all the time. If it can be occasionally prevented then awesome, otherwise it'll eventually die on its own.
At the very least, writing a massive journal about it which I barely had the energy to read myself isn't the best way to put across a message. I get what you're doing but this isn't going to change peoples minds. I wouldn't say it was genuine hate either. It's just emotional discharge, not logical or thought out and it happens all the time. If it can be occasionally prevented then awesome, otherwise it'll eventually die on its own.
And THAT is the problem!
Also, it's been over a year and people are still doing it! WHY?! Unfortunately, this isn't something I think is just going to go away over time. I think Allan is but one of many punching bags that people use to cause drama, or to vent unfounded hatred.
And it's wrong.
If this thing hasn't died down after a year, then something should be done. It should be discussed.
~Otaku-Man
P.S. Make sure you read the whole journal. It's critical to understanding.
Also, it's been over a year and people are still doing it! WHY?! Unfortunately, this isn't something I think is just going to go away over time. I think Allan is but one of many punching bags that people use to cause drama, or to vent unfounded hatred.
And it's wrong.
If this thing hasn't died down after a year, then something should be done. It should be discussed.
~Otaku-Man
P.S. Make sure you read the whole journal. It's critical to understanding.
Depends on what the person has done, really. I'd say most people couldn't give a fuck; a few people are gonna hold onto something for a lot longer, always, because that's how they are. The people you want to reach are of a frame of mind that prevents them from listening to you, a bit like trying to discuss evolution with a creationist, it's just a waste of time. A relatively few and inconsequential people still believing Allan is a fuckstick isn't going to destroy anyones life. You would be better off trying to subdue your concern of the matter. I'd forgotten about Allan until I saw your journal XP.
Maybe so except for one problem:
I've become a bit of a confidant of his. I can't say friend since we've never met face to face or known each other that long, but at the same time, I'm not an associate either since I know him a bit more than most others who've just spoken to him once.
And what kind of confidant would I be if I just dropped him? I might as well talk with him online. It's the least I can do.
~Otaku-Man
I've become a bit of a confidant of his. I can't say friend since we've never met face to face or known each other that long, but at the same time, I'm not an associate either since I know him a bit more than most others who've just spoken to him once.
And what kind of confidant would I be if I just dropped him? I might as well talk with him online. It's the least I can do.
~Otaku-Man
Your right, which is why I've decided to re-focus the discussion over in the new journal.
Check It Out: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1288798/
~Otaku-Man
Check It Out: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1288798/
~Otaku-Man
All I'm really doing is saying to him, "See that? Go there!"
He needs food, I say, "go to the food stamp office."
He needs shelter, I say, "apply for section 8."
And what's more is that he HAS been doing that. He is pulling himself back up and doing a good job in my eyes. All I'm doing is pointing him in the direction he wants to go, and give him some encouraging words along the way. He's also taken a lot of initiative without the help of me or others. I'm proud of him for that and see it as a great step forward.
So yeah, I agree with you.
~Otaku-Man
He needs food, I say, "go to the food stamp office."
He needs shelter, I say, "apply for section 8."
And what's more is that he HAS been doing that. He is pulling himself back up and doing a good job in my eyes. All I'm doing is pointing him in the direction he wants to go, and give him some encouraging words along the way. He's also taken a lot of initiative without the help of me or others. I'm proud of him for that and see it as a great step forward.
So yeah, I agree with you.
~Otaku-Man
It really doesn't need to be discussed. In all honestly, this is the internet, things actually will die down. For some things it just tastes longer than others, but it will die. It's not dying now because it keeps being brought up over and over again.
The trolls will get bored sooner or later. And if it's an outlet for their hate, then let them hate. "Haters gonna hate" is such a deserving phrase right about now. As it is said "Don't feed the trolls"
The trolls will get bored sooner or later. And if it's an outlet for their hate, then let them hate. "Haters gonna hate" is such a deserving phrase right about now. As it is said "Don't feed the trolls"
I think you're a swell, big-hearted guy, but aren't you kinda missing the advice in the title?
Instead of letting the comments just slide, you intentionally went after them. You didn't let them go, you had to resurrect them. You also had to keep stating you aren't a white knight. Big deal if people call you that, as long as you know you aren't one, then who really cares?
The fandom knows what's wrong with it, hun.
Instead of letting the comments just slide, you intentionally went after them. You didn't let them go, you had to resurrect them. You also had to keep stating you aren't a white knight. Big deal if people call you that, as long as you know you aren't one, then who really cares?
The fandom knows what's wrong with it, hun.
Well, all I can say is yes, the guy seems to have a problem and someone needs to help him see the light. I can say I know first hand what it's like to struggle financially... I work 2 jobs and I'm going to college... but, the art I buy is left over AFTER I pay all my bills. I can only hope eventually the guy gets a grasp on things and gets out of the hole he dug himself into. And I don't think it was honestly right of him to beg then use it to pay for commissions.
I'm a FIRM believer in hard work (as you can see)... It doesn't take that much to get a job at Wendys... honestly, it really doesn't. No, it may not be something you want to do, but, do I want to work two jobs in one day from the time I wake up till the time I go to sleep or go to work then go directly to class when I get off? No, but I suck it up because I need the money. And I rarely get a day off but I keep doing it regardless.
And I can honestly understand why people would be upset, so, I can't say much about him being attacked. I do agree people on this website can be a little harsh, over dramatic, etc, and while he didn't deserve the MAGNITUDE of what he got, I don't believe he is completely innocent. But, like I said, sounds like the guy has a problem and needs help... and art is addicting (and even I can admit that, just look at my FA). I just hope he can be helped. And I hope your not taken advantage of in the process, your a good guy.
I'm a FIRM believer in hard work (as you can see)... It doesn't take that much to get a job at Wendys... honestly, it really doesn't. No, it may not be something you want to do, but, do I want to work two jobs in one day from the time I wake up till the time I go to sleep or go to work then go directly to class when I get off? No, but I suck it up because I need the money. And I rarely get a day off but I keep doing it regardless.
And I can honestly understand why people would be upset, so, I can't say much about him being attacked. I do agree people on this website can be a little harsh, over dramatic, etc, and while he didn't deserve the MAGNITUDE of what he got, I don't believe he is completely innocent. But, like I said, sounds like the guy has a problem and needs help... and art is addicting (and even I can admit that, just look at my FA). I just hope he can be helped. And I hope your not taken advantage of in the process, your a good guy.
Hun, you know I have the utmost respect and care for ADLM. And so long as ADLM is not supporting your effort to help him, then I will continue to do so. And if you want to continue to help him with your personal time and or money, please, do so. Everyone deserves to be helped. That being said. This is not helping the movement. You need to stop trying to stand up for him here or other places in the fandom for the simple reason that THIS *points at everything going on* happens. It causes unneeded drama in your life and in those who respond to your defenses. It reopens old wounds for many people and as such puts them up in defense and attack. Just let them slide.. let people say what they want to say, let them vent. In the end their just text on the screen. Stop trying to stand up for him at every turn. Continue to help him as you feel the need to, but do let people say what they want. So long as they are not actually attacking him monetarily or physically, who cares. You can continue your advice and help of your knowledge to him without everyone else needing to know. Its time to become more discrete and to let thing lay as they are. Nothing you say or do is going to change ANYONES opinion of him at this point in time and it causes just unneeded stress when you bring it up.
What Allan did was a grievous breach of trust that the fandom relies on to be as close and as supportive as it is. Of course its going to open old wounds, especially because of the manner of which Allan betrayed the trust of those in the fandom. He not only used money given to him to keep him afloat to buy art, but he used artists who didn't know his reputation to gain more art. Two things that are both intensely personal and critical to life. Art and Money. People feel betrayed because their money was used in a manner that they had not intended it, and betrayed because the art that they spent, in many cases, hours upon hours on, was now tainted and in a way 'dirty' in their eyes. When a community, such as this one, is so closely tied to art and the artists, it is used in such a way, it is not something that will just blithlessly wash away in a year, or two. This was a deep intensely personal betrayal to the fandom as a whole, and even more so to the artists and donaters who were most greatly effected. You cannot expect many people to just 'put it behind them' when the breach was so great in many people's eyes. It is best to deal with it privately, on your own if you insist on helping him. However to keep bringing it up will do no good and will only incite more drama.
And you are correct on all counts, which is why my latest journal here:
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1288798/
Should help re-focus onto the real issue that I feel is worth looking at.
In addition, one thing I've come to realize in my personal talking with him is that I don't think he even realizes how he much of a betrayal it was. He understand that he committed a betrayal, but the gravity of it all is something he doesn't seem to get. I'm hoping that in my personal talks with him that he can come to understand that.
But enough discussion about him here. All future discussion about him, if at all, will be on my personal account. For right now, I'm ready to move on to another issue, more importantly one relevant to the feedback I've gotten here.
Please let me know what you think of the new journal.
~Otaku-Man
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1288798/
Should help re-focus onto the real issue that I feel is worth looking at.
In addition, one thing I've come to realize in my personal talking with him is that I don't think he even realizes how he much of a betrayal it was. He understand that he committed a betrayal, but the gravity of it all is something he doesn't seem to get. I'm hoping that in my personal talks with him that he can come to understand that.
But enough discussion about him here. All future discussion about him, if at all, will be on my personal account. For right now, I'm ready to move on to another issue, more importantly one relevant to the feedback I've gotten here.
Please let me know what you think of the new journal.
~Otaku-Man
I really don't see the issue with OtakuMan24 wanting to help this guy and just mentioning it in ADLM. Especially when this post isn't so much about Allen but rather a nasty habit the fandom has with negativity towards others.
Is he asking us to help Allen, no. Will you be looked down on for not helping him, no. So why all the fuss? It's his choice and it effects no one else but him and Allen.
I mean no insult but reading some these comments I think speaks of the other side to what was brought up in this entry. The other side with people so afraid of drama they shut out any whisper of it.
What I feel, my own personal opinion, the ADLM is about is understanding and working to take steps to prevent such negative drama. Not flat out pretend it doesn't exist and forget about it. We learn nothing by ignoring the problem.
So I ask you, if the mere mention of Allen causes you to cringe and question why OtakuMan would speak of such things. What does that say about you? Aren't we adult enough here to rationally discuss such a matter, especially when Allen is just an example of drama issues he didn't suffer alone and certainly won't be the last.
OtakuMan is doing a noble thing, regardless of the opinion on Allen. He's going out of his way to do what he can to help this guy who the rest of the fandom shuns. This has nothing to do with rebuilding his reputation on FA. It's about getting a person cursed by their own addiction some help so they can live and stable and content life. I doubt OtakuMan will make his own life suffer just to help Allen, he's too smart for that. So again I ask, why the fuss?
Is he asking us to help Allen, no. Will you be looked down on for not helping him, no. So why all the fuss? It's his choice and it effects no one else but him and Allen.
I mean no insult but reading some these comments I think speaks of the other side to what was brought up in this entry. The other side with people so afraid of drama they shut out any whisper of it.
What I feel, my own personal opinion, the ADLM is about is understanding and working to take steps to prevent such negative drama. Not flat out pretend it doesn't exist and forget about it. We learn nothing by ignoring the problem.
So I ask you, if the mere mention of Allen causes you to cringe and question why OtakuMan would speak of such things. What does that say about you? Aren't we adult enough here to rationally discuss such a matter, especially when Allen is just an example of drama issues he didn't suffer alone and certainly won't be the last.
OtakuMan is doing a noble thing, regardless of the opinion on Allen. He's going out of his way to do what he can to help this guy who the rest of the fandom shuns. This has nothing to do with rebuilding his reputation on FA. It's about getting a person cursed by their own addiction some help so they can live and stable and content life. I doubt OtakuMan will make his own life suffer just to help Allen, he's too smart for that. So again I ask, why the fuss?
Oh, Taco Man *sigh*...This journal is filled to the brim with drama. Allan is officially a lol now, just like Sibe Husky and Crusader Cat or furries in general. Once the drama is released on the interwebs it is frozen in history until it is baleeted, but ED makes that kind of difficult.
The best way to stop the BS is to not start it to begin with.
The best way to stop the BS is to not start it to begin with.
OK , I've been reading comments on this submission that say "this will just start more drama" but I like your respnse. The drama was already there, and if people or furries or whatever we are don't see the issue, it starts internal drama. Things like this need to be stated or it goes unhelped and Allan's situation might worsen. If ppl see what truly is happening, then there might be more drama, yes, but it will fade because more people's eyes will be opened to what they've done. Personally, I'm glad you are trying to help him. It takes a big heart to do this. and you are therefore, setting an example. So thank you, Otaku Man. You are an inspiration and I hope Allan's situation become better.
The intetions of this are justified and right... however does it really need to be posted on a website where you have a profile that is anonamous?.. the anonimity of the internet breeds drama, however I admire your kindness in wanting to help this guy.. However the internet is not the way to help him
If you want to help him. Do it personaly and with confidentiality, that way the shit won't hit the fan and stir up internet drama.
A for effort my friend, you are doing a good thing, but E for execution because I think you may be going about it the wrong way
Short Xx
If you want to help him. Do it personaly and with confidentiality, that way the shit won't hit the fan and stir up internet drama.
A for effort my friend, you are doing a good thing, but E for execution because I think you may be going about it the wrong way
Short Xx
You had issues with Malachi too? Heh...I still remember our drama issue and even a sketchy of me over it, good times...
But yeah, it's cool you're trying to help this guy. In the end, it all depends mostly on him if he really wants to turn around or not. So far from what I've read he's started paying people back that he's owed, which is good. Again, best wishes to you and hopefully Allan won't be the parasite on society (or furry) he used to be.
But yeah, it's cool you're trying to help this guy. In the end, it all depends mostly on him if he really wants to turn around or not. So far from what I've read he's started paying people back that he's owed, which is good. Again, best wishes to you and hopefully Allan won't be the parasite on society (or furry) he used to be.
Well... i don't know what happened with him. But i surely can say, people learning to beat guys, who falled down in school. Just because they happy of that.
Secondary class of theese rats are "throlls". Their goal is to find someone, who feeling sad, and make it worse. They just expecting some defense. Helpless defence. So.... basicaly they are brainfuckers. If you let them make yourself sad... you wouln't live long. So.... screw them, add to your block list, and be happy
Secondary class of theese rats are "throlls". Their goal is to find someone, who feeling sad, and make it worse. They just expecting some defense. Helpless defence. So.... basicaly they are brainfuckers. If you let them make yourself sad... you wouln't live long. So.... screw them, add to your block list, and be happy
Unfortunately people often hate without knowing why, its a sad fact of life that we as furries should know all to well. I'm not going to ride in on a high horse and pass down judgment on you or a man I never even met, it sounds like he made mistakes, people got angry but the both of you are trying to fix that.
I can't say if what your doing is right or wrong, cause most the time that all comes down to opinion but if your doing what YOU think is right then I don't see a reason to try and prove yourself to others. You say your doing this cause you think its the right thing to do and I can respect that, but arguing this with those how have chosen to hate is pointless. They have made up their minds and trying to change them will only welcome more drama into an already bad situation. If you want to help this guy, and he is really making an effort to help himself then that's all that really matters, what you chose to do with your life and what he dose with his isn't up to us to decide.
While I admire the fact your making an effort to stem hate here I'm afraid you might actually inadvertently encourage it, people are angry at this man regardless of whether they had a good reason or not. Announcing your going to try and help someone so many people clearly see as an enemy is only going to put fuel on the fire and I can't help but wonder why you announced this in the first place if you don't really care if people support of condemn you?
I can't say if what your doing is right or wrong, cause most the time that all comes down to opinion but if your doing what YOU think is right then I don't see a reason to try and prove yourself to others. You say your doing this cause you think its the right thing to do and I can respect that, but arguing this with those how have chosen to hate is pointless. They have made up their minds and trying to change them will only welcome more drama into an already bad situation. If you want to help this guy, and he is really making an effort to help himself then that's all that really matters, what you chose to do with your life and what he dose with his isn't up to us to decide.
While I admire the fact your making an effort to stem hate here I'm afraid you might actually inadvertently encourage it, people are angry at this man regardless of whether they had a good reason or not. Announcing your going to try and help someone so many people clearly see as an enemy is only going to put fuel on the fire and I can't help but wonder why you announced this in the first place if you don't really care if people support of condemn you?
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