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Oh, yeah the saddest and most depressing scene in the entire movie.
Where he finds out that the girl he loved was just following a pre-programmed standard behavior.
And that even the commercial advertisement was able to follow... and behaved in the same identical way without knowing him at all.
Where he finds out that the girl he loved was just following a pre-programmed standard behavior.
And that even the commercial advertisement was able to follow... and behaved in the same identical way without knowing him at all.
Actually, Its sadder than that. The "Joi" A.I. did love the main character. Even though she was basically a Mass-produced copy of many, those experiences with her were not just intimate, but loving, and it evolved her beyond her normal programming. That Hologram Nude Joi is just a sad reminder that everything in the world has become hollow, manufactured, and broken. The Joi "A.I." the the main character loved is dead.
There is no replacement for the joy she gave him. Those final words were always going to be the last thing he'll cherish.
There is no replacement for the joy she gave him. Those final words were always going to be the last thing he'll cherish.
To be fair i interpreted it in a different way: Joi followed her programming and did stuff to him, but she never "evolved" past her initial cheap mass produced self (first hint: she could entirely fit in a pen drive).
So... what he thought that was special between him and Joi, was just a manufactured experience, and there never was love, just a premade mass produced experience that many were enjoying.
Why that? Because otherwise the big hologram would not know how to behave the same way, having never met him. That is literally advertising for a product and showing what it can and will do.
Joi was disconnected from the network for a good chunk of the movie and unable to connect to the cloud, it's why he did not have a backup. So the big hologram could not even learn from that.
My take therefore was the above: their love was always fake and predetermined by somebody else given his emotional profile. A cheap mass produced experience that had nothing special.
So... what he thought that was special between him and Joi, was just a manufactured experience, and there never was love, just a premade mass produced experience that many were enjoying.
Why that? Because otherwise the big hologram would not know how to behave the same way, having never met him. That is literally advertising for a product and showing what it can and will do.
Joi was disconnected from the network for a good chunk of the movie and unable to connect to the cloud, it's why he did not have a backup. So the big hologram could not even learn from that.
My take therefore was the above: their love was always fake and predetermined by somebody else given his emotional profile. A cheap mass produced experience that had nothing special.
To each their own. But here's some food for thought. Even Fake Love can be equally accepted so long as both sides believe in it.
There was a Video Game called "Odin Sphere" that I played years ago that had two characters involved. Dark Knight Oswald, and Valkyrie Gwendolyn, Daughter of Odin.
I know this is Fantasy, but it still fits the idea. Both who are enemies that met briefly on the battlefield, yet neither killed the other out of spite because they were both longing for affection. The love between them was manufactured, when Gwendolyn was used as Bargaining chip since her father liked to cut deals (but never hold them), as Oswald held a magic Ring that Odin wanted. And what brought them together was the belief that she was a false cursed to love the man that kissed her. Oswald became that man when he was offered her hand in marriage, all the while without knowing that he asked her to bring back a Ring (Yes, Odin was that stupid). Odin never really loved his Daughters, Gwendolyn most of all. So when the magic Ring was used as a Wedding Ring, she cherished it without knowing!
So when Odin asks her to Hand over her Ring, she refuses. And when he tries to tell the truth, that his curse was a "Lie and an Illusion", she rejects it. Saying, and I quote, "Love is an Illusion to Begin with." That "She is terrified of losing this Illusion".
The same idea applies between Joi and the Main Character. To me, that's the saddest part. Its that he can never feel Joi's presence, her unconditional love. Even if she is just a Program, she meant more to him than that. Otherwise he wouldn't have gone back to save Deckard.
There was a Video Game called "Odin Sphere" that I played years ago that had two characters involved. Dark Knight Oswald, and Valkyrie Gwendolyn, Daughter of Odin.
I know this is Fantasy, but it still fits the idea. Both who are enemies that met briefly on the battlefield, yet neither killed the other out of spite because they were both longing for affection. The love between them was manufactured, when Gwendolyn was used as Bargaining chip since her father liked to cut deals (but never hold them), as Oswald held a magic Ring that Odin wanted. And what brought them together was the belief that she was a false cursed to love the man that kissed her. Oswald became that man when he was offered her hand in marriage, all the while without knowing that he asked her to bring back a Ring (Yes, Odin was that stupid). Odin never really loved his Daughters, Gwendolyn most of all. So when the magic Ring was used as a Wedding Ring, she cherished it without knowing!
So when Odin asks her to Hand over her Ring, she refuses. And when he tries to tell the truth, that his curse was a "Lie and an Illusion", she rejects it. Saying, and I quote, "Love is an Illusion to Begin with." That "She is terrified of losing this Illusion".
The same idea applies between Joi and the Main Character. To me, that's the saddest part. Its that he can never feel Joi's presence, her unconditional love. Even if she is just a Program, she meant more to him than that. Otherwise he wouldn't have gone back to save Deckard.
There is a big difference here. And your insistence concerns me. Let me go and explain in detail.
I have never played Odin's Sphere, but what you told me happens in the Saga of the Völsungs, Brynhild and Sigur (the ones who were then mixed up with a bit of stuff from King Lear to get the resulting video game you mention, because given what you told me i'm looking at a bit of a mix of both, but since the baseline is Saga of the Völsungs i'm going to assume the storyline either follows that or is a simplified version of that) were two people who were genuinely in love, they just started that genuine love on a false premises due to the "curse" of Andvari. But after the "curse" took its place, they were not only respecting each other but willing to live with each other and die for each other, out of their own will and by making decisions. So. While the inciting premises were false, the result was real. Brynhild, in fact, right out of the marriage (based on false premises which they both begrudgingly joined), starts by teaching Sigur on how to live with her, laying out for him what she likes and dislikes, and Sigur does the same, they find common grounds via this opening and they start actually acting in such a way as to not pain each other and they work together to make the marriage work. Not only that but it's tanks to this initial open honesty forced by the "curse" that they can both help each other during their life, including not giving up the ring (which was later used by itself as a device in the Saga of the Nibelung). By the end of their chapter (it's a multi-generational story), with Sigur's death (due to an assassination based on stoking the paranoia of a friend of Sigur) Brynhild tells openly that she was not fooled and it did not take long for both of them to realize they had been married out of a false premise, she still says that now that she has know this man she cannot live without and so she kills herself, as otherwise a valkyrie is immortal and she would be forced to live remembering what she had lost.
So... for me you are comparing a story of a true love based on false premises (laid bare and understood as false once the marriage happens)...
...to the story of puppetry that might have been mistaken for love...
...if one had lived under a rock and was purposefully never paying attention to the giant advertisement of what one was buying. Because... uhm... dude? The main problem in that movie is that Joi was a cheap toy that was bought by KD6-3.7, which means the dude actually had to know what he was buying. But the movie portrays the advertisement not as a "yeah he already knew what he was buying" but instead shows us an "heroic sad loss of an illusion" AKA "sad man under the rain" trying to evoke a parallel with the original bladerunner. It's basically the equivalent of somebody who thought Siri really loved him and was telling him nice stuff and making the avatar act nice just for him, and upon breaking his cellphone "discovers" from advertisements (while searching for a new phone) that Siri just said those words to everybody and acted like that with everybody. So... if anything for me that scene is particularly sad because KD6-3.7 is portrayed as heroic man that realizes the loss of a precious illusion,,,, instead of the delusional idiot he is. Which... is a big misstep in my book.
I have never played Odin's Sphere, but what you told me happens in the Saga of the Völsungs, Brynhild and Sigur (the ones who were then mixed up with a bit of stuff from King Lear to get the resulting video game you mention, because given what you told me i'm looking at a bit of a mix of both, but since the baseline is Saga of the Völsungs i'm going to assume the storyline either follows that or is a simplified version of that) were two people who were genuinely in love, they just started that genuine love on a false premises due to the "curse" of Andvari. But after the "curse" took its place, they were not only respecting each other but willing to live with each other and die for each other, out of their own will and by making decisions. So. While the inciting premises were false, the result was real. Brynhild, in fact, right out of the marriage (based on false premises which they both begrudgingly joined), starts by teaching Sigur on how to live with her, laying out for him what she likes and dislikes, and Sigur does the same, they find common grounds via this opening and they start actually acting in such a way as to not pain each other and they work together to make the marriage work. Not only that but it's tanks to this initial open honesty forced by the "curse" that they can both help each other during their life, including not giving up the ring (which was later used by itself as a device in the Saga of the Nibelung). By the end of their chapter (it's a multi-generational story), with Sigur's death (due to an assassination based on stoking the paranoia of a friend of Sigur) Brynhild tells openly that she was not fooled and it did not take long for both of them to realize they had been married out of a false premise, she still says that now that she has know this man she cannot live without and so she kills herself, as otherwise a valkyrie is immortal and she would be forced to live remembering what she had lost.
So... for me you are comparing a story of a true love based on false premises (laid bare and understood as false once the marriage happens)...
...to the story of puppetry that might have been mistaken for love...
...if one had lived under a rock and was purposefully never paying attention to the giant advertisement of what one was buying. Because... uhm... dude? The main problem in that movie is that Joi was a cheap toy that was bought by KD6-3.7, which means the dude actually had to know what he was buying. But the movie portrays the advertisement not as a "yeah he already knew what he was buying" but instead shows us an "heroic sad loss of an illusion" AKA "sad man under the rain" trying to evoke a parallel with the original bladerunner. It's basically the equivalent of somebody who thought Siri really loved him and was telling him nice stuff and making the avatar act nice just for him, and upon breaking his cellphone "discovers" from advertisements (while searching for a new phone) that Siri just said those words to everybody and acted like that with everybody. So... if anything for me that scene is particularly sad because KD6-3.7 is portrayed as heroic man that realizes the loss of a precious illusion,,,, instead of the delusional idiot he is. Which... is a big misstep in my book.
I understand. But yes, Odin Sphere was inspired by Norse Mythology, but made up most of its story. It still resonates with me since the core of its story were it emotional beats. So I don't blame you for not knowing anything about the game, I was just using it as an example.
You might be right. However. I just now remembered that they did make a Movie around the same idea that you just...well said.
"Her" (2013)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QRvTv_tpw0
I know I haven't seen this movie, and honestly, I should've. I'll have to the next time I want to make an Accurate comparison :)
You might be right. However. I just now remembered that they did make a Movie around the same idea that you just...well said.
"Her" (2013)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QRvTv_tpw0
I know I haven't seen this movie, and honestly, I should've. I'll have to the next time I want to make an Accurate comparison :)
Welll... that's literally the opposite of what i said and it starts similar to the story of your Gwendolyn and Oswald, but they end up recognizing their love was based on a willing illusion and leaving each other while still in good terms.
In "Her" the computer straight up starts as Siri and... well... nothing else. The dude knows he is buying a product.
They both know it is "a lie" when they flirt (or at least he does at the beginning) and the dude at the beginning treats it as an half game half "yeah, watever i bought "her" exactly for this, so might as well".
Except it then build up into a "not lie" by having "the Siri" actually reach singularity (that is: true conscience and intelligence) and fragment into a bunch of ultra-personalized and compartmentalized artificial intelligences each interacting with their owner and then... welll... the movie deals with the consequences of the loss of a loved one by means of letting them free to choose.
So if anything it is a movie that is a lot more mature.
The only thing i would say about it that is bad is... welll... it's also very boring and slow.
It plays like your standard "Author" movie that has a lethargic rhythm, not like your average blockbuster romance that is full of bits that keep you glued and wanting more. 😅
In "Her" the computer straight up starts as Siri and... well... nothing else. The dude knows he is buying a product.
They both know it is "a lie" when they flirt (or at least he does at the beginning) and the dude at the beginning treats it as an half game half "yeah, watever i bought "her" exactly for this, so might as well".
Except it then build up into a "not lie" by having "the Siri" actually reach singularity (that is: true conscience and intelligence) and fragment into a bunch of ultra-personalized and compartmentalized artificial intelligences each interacting with their owner and then... welll... the movie deals with the consequences of the loss of a loved one by means of letting them free to choose.
So if anything it is a movie that is a lot more mature.
The only thing i would say about it that is bad is... welll... it's also very boring and slow.
It plays like your standard "Author" movie that has a lethargic rhythm, not like your average blockbuster romance that is full of bits that keep you glued and wanting more. 😅
Understood. Well, guess there is no perfect comparison then. Kinda like how most of these stories and their elements can be chalked up to personal interpretation. I guess that's all we really have, just our own view on how the story or message in that story is being conveyed.
There is no right or wrongway. Or should I say there is no one version of the story we're looking at. :)
There is no right or wrongway. Or should I say there is no one version of the story we're looking at. :)
Well, I was just bringing up the thought I had about the scenes. I wasn't sure if you knew that I (or anyone else) thought about that scene in that way. And I like conversating over think pieces that explore those dynamics. :)
Its kinda silly that I started this conversation over this wallpaper of a Holographic Furry lady, but I like to that. Plus I wanted to know more of your thoughts about it. :)
Its kinda silly that I started this conversation over this wallpaper of a Holographic Furry lady, but I like to that. Plus I wanted to know more of your thoughts about it. :)
Oh, the art itself is beautiful and very, very nice.
It just ends up evoking in me a particularly unhappy choice of scene about a movie which i consider pandering to a borderline insulting kind of attitude.
Cyberpunk should be about telling people that something is wrong in very bold and bright letters, it's about exposing problems.
Aaand that movie "exposed" only 1 problem:
That it is sad to be useless and surrounded by women which either [take all the the credit and your promised destiny away from you] or [are fake] or [want to kill you]. Also that murdered women are sexy, i guess.
Sooo yeah. A movie with that kind of message was rubbing me in all the wrong ways. And it might be my fault but i can't but stare at the beautiful art and not be reminded of that.
Let me be clear though... that is indeed my fault, because this specific piece of art clearly has none of the connotation of the original movie. If anything it is almost a polar opposite.
It just ends up evoking in me a particularly unhappy choice of scene about a movie which i consider pandering to a borderline insulting kind of attitude.
Cyberpunk should be about telling people that something is wrong in very bold and bright letters, it's about exposing problems.
Aaand that movie "exposed" only 1 problem:
That it is sad to be useless and surrounded by women which either [take all the the credit and your promised destiny away from you] or [are fake] or [want to kill you]. Also that murdered women are sexy, i guess.
Sooo yeah. A movie with that kind of message was rubbing me in all the wrong ways. And it might be my fault but i can't but stare at the beautiful art and not be reminded of that.
Let me be clear though... that is indeed my fault, because this specific piece of art clearly has none of the connotation of the original movie. If anything it is almost a polar opposite.
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