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I don't think the tone here for this message is quite right, but it's also not exactly wrong. It's rather conceited? And leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
There are not really "good cops" because crossing the blue line results in them being removed from service. The phrase is "All cops are bad" not because there are no good cops in history, but because they get removed when they cross the blue line.
The words here are nice on face value but the idea of changing the police from the inside is rather, wrong. It can't be a change from the inside out. It has be from the exterior in.
I don't feel this image is going to sit well with a lot of people, not just for the above but mixing Police and LGBT is uhm.. volatile.
There are not really "good cops" because crossing the blue line results in them being removed from service. The phrase is "All cops are bad" not because there are no good cops in history, but because they get removed when they cross the blue line.
The words here are nice on face value but the idea of changing the police from the inside is rather, wrong. It can't be a change from the inside out. It has be from the exterior in.
I don't feel this image is going to sit well with a lot of people, not just for the above but mixing Police and LGBT is uhm.. volatile.
People that genuinely think that "All Cops are bad" don't seem to understand that even if a government-run police force was abolished, community-run "enforcement" would be far, FAR worse.
People tend to forget that were it not been for the police, it would have been impossible to enforce the laws that allow for civil rights for people of all nationalities, religions, sexual orientations, identities, and even their sex to live freely without being discriminated against, kept out of work, or you know, killed. Community run enforcement of guidelines would NEVER result in change as the majority would always keep the status quo intact. There would be no progressive movements because they would be either kicked out of their community by their community enforcers, or they would be killed by them.
Yes, SOME people in government enforcement positions of various stature abuse their power and target people unfairly, but that is not a problem of the profession, but of people. You can check someone's background, you can learn about their childhood and previous work conduct, and you can even keep them on a strict training policy, and people will still be volatile and irrational. As tragic and vile as it can be, this is reality. Just as some people, I'll grant "many" people as nebulous as that term is in this situation, abuse their power, there are far more who properly do their job, or at least try, and are genuinely good people.
tl'dr You should think about the subject more before saying "all cops are bad" because it's because of cops that progressive movements have been able to succeed without mass murder being the response. The police are necessary for a government to exist, and any smaller community enforcement idea would never allow for any sort of changes to the status quo, and concepts like ending racial segregation and properly giving women's rights would never have succeeded. Not only that but by discriminating against someone for their way of putting food on the table you're doing the same thing that you say you abhor.
People tend to forget that were it not been for the police, it would have been impossible to enforce the laws that allow for civil rights for people of all nationalities, religions, sexual orientations, identities, and even their sex to live freely without being discriminated against, kept out of work, or you know, killed. Community run enforcement of guidelines would NEVER result in change as the majority would always keep the status quo intact. There would be no progressive movements because they would be either kicked out of their community by their community enforcers, or they would be killed by them.
Yes, SOME people in government enforcement positions of various stature abuse their power and target people unfairly, but that is not a problem of the profession, but of people. You can check someone's background, you can learn about their childhood and previous work conduct, and you can even keep them on a strict training policy, and people will still be volatile and irrational. As tragic and vile as it can be, this is reality. Just as some people, I'll grant "many" people as nebulous as that term is in this situation, abuse their power, there are far more who properly do their job, or at least try, and are genuinely good people.
tl'dr You should think about the subject more before saying "all cops are bad" because it's because of cops that progressive movements have been able to succeed without mass murder being the response. The police are necessary for a government to exist, and any smaller community enforcement idea would never allow for any sort of changes to the status quo, and concepts like ending racial segregation and properly giving women's rights would never have succeeded. Not only that but by discriminating against someone for their way of putting food on the table you're doing the same thing that you say you abhor.
Cops were also the ones who arrested people for homosexuality when it was a crime, and the people who arrested protesters who fought for LGBT rights. They have demonstrably acted against civil rights in the past and to this day. I stand by the belief that all cops are bad because good cops are pushed out of the job. Former cops have been harassed by cops for their actions trying to bring justice.
Police enforce the laws of the state, and those laws are not always just or right.
Police enforce the laws of the state, and those laws are not always just or right.
Yes, because that was the law at the time... that's how laws work. But those laws changed. Without the police, the laws changing wouldn't matter and they would still be persecuted regardless of the government's decision.
NO government or singular person's laws are completely just or right, but it's certainly a lot better than closed off sects of communities running their own enforcement, because then we would see groups VERY similar to the KKK.
As for your "all good cops get pushed out of the job" I'm going to direct you to the very recent movie "BlackKlansman" which is based on a memoir by the same name.
As a side note, if police are so evil, what exactly would you propose to replace it? I've already laid out why simply removing it would be a bad idea.
NO government or singular person's laws are completely just or right, but it's certainly a lot better than closed off sects of communities running their own enforcement, because then we would see groups VERY similar to the KKK.
As for your "all good cops get pushed out of the job" I'm going to direct you to the very recent movie "BlackKlansman" which is based on a memoir by the same name.
As a side note, if police are so evil, what exactly would you propose to replace it? I've already laid out why simply removing it would be a bad idea.
I'm the wrong person to ask if you want to find out exactly how to fix the problem. I'm not knowlegable enough to give you a good answer. All I know is that this is a problem that needs to be solved. I'm hopeful It could be solved with legislation, but thats about it. I can probably direct you to a place you can ask about this to get a better answer however.
So without having any knowledgeable grasp on the situation itself, you claim that "all cops are bad" when coming to comment on an artistic piece that shows that some cops are good, and then can't properly present that point when questioned?
Perhaps when you go out to preach stuff like this you should do some proper research, as all you've done is come off as asinine and rude to the people here, including the artist and offered no real constructive conversation beyond "I think you're wrong, I think all cops are bad!".
Treat this as a learning experience and gracefully bow out.
Perhaps when you go out to preach stuff like this you should do some proper research, as all you've done is come off as asinine and rude to the people here, including the artist and offered no real constructive conversation beyond "I think you're wrong, I think all cops are bad!".
Treat this as a learning experience and gracefully bow out.
Okay firstly, I don't need to know the exact steps to solve a problem to know there is a problem. I can see it through the existing data. The fact that blacks get worse treatment for the same crime, the mountains of videos online showcasing police overstepping into. Excessive force, the fact that police have stood as guards for fascist movements instead of never letting those groups assemble in the first place both in my home county the UK and the US.
Knowing how to fix something and knowing there is a problem are two different things.
Not knowing the exact legislative steps to fix the the entire police does Not discredit my point. The data exists
YOU can read it and see the injustice in action
Knowing how to fix something and knowing there is a problem are two different things.
Not knowing the exact legislative steps to fix the the entire police does Not discredit my point. The data exists
YOU can read it and see the injustice in action
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/.....mographics.pdf
https://repository.law.umich.edu/cg.....ntext=articles
https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793
https://scholarship.sha.cornell.edu.....ntext=articles
Here is one I found for the UK too! https://assets.publishing.service.g.....nal-report.pdf
Here are some studies I found which you can read to see I am not bullshitting you. Something is wrong. You can find more data yourself by.. searching for it.
Treat this as a learning experience and gracefully bow out.
https://repository.law.umich.edu/cg.....ntext=articles
https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793
https://scholarship.sha.cornell.edu.....ntext=articles
Here is one I found for the UK too! https://assets.publishing.service.g.....nal-report.pdf
Here are some studies I found which you can read to see I am not bullshitting you. Something is wrong. You can find more data yourself by.. searching for it.
Treat this as a learning experience and gracefully bow out.
They mention getting a gay sheriff elected, which makes me think they're working to get more change enacted than just themselves being a gay cop. If you're trying to reform institutions like the police, I think it's valuable to have people working to change things from within the system, in addition to working from the outside. And getting new leadership put in charge is one of the more meaningful ways of doing that. How much change in their force's culture a sheriff will be able to bring about, it's hard to know. Probably not a massive sea change, but maybe a meaningful shift in attitudes. And considering that we haven't been having very much luck in abolishing police forces from the outside, I'll personally be (somewhat begrudgingly) glad for people who're working to get better internal leadership and direction put in place. There will always be more work to do, but such is the nature of these fights.
"Many" does not mean "most." Unless you actually have accurate numbers for those who tried and weren't dismissed for it - unlikely since that's not the sort of thing people commonly make a note of - impressions about how "many" it does happen to are worthless. The existence of even a few cases is, however, enough to disprove the statement that "all cops are bad"; to insist that such can't exist or don't count because "all cops are bad" is circular reasoning if not an outright tautology.
And that's not touching on the issues facing the justice system of the US in particular, which I don't want to go into detail about here in the interest of keeping a full-blown flame war from breaking out.
And that's not touching on the issues facing the justice system of the US in particular, which I don't want to go into detail about here in the interest of keeping a full-blown flame war from breaking out.
From someone that is a first responder, when you work in the field you feel personally empowered to be a positive force for change. It is the message of Micheal Jackson's song Man in the Mirror amplified. Also becoming injured, sick, or really anything that takes you out for an extended period can really mess with your head. That is the general message behind this.
Also the good behavior of one person does not excuse the bad of another and vice versa. They give each other the benefit of a doubt because they all know that one bad situation over a whole career is what gets remembered, that is what that blue line is about. However once that doubt is gone you are not going to see anyone more upset than another cop.
Also the good behavior of one person does not excuse the bad of another and vice versa. They give each other the benefit of a doubt because they all know that one bad situation over a whole career is what gets remembered, that is what that blue line is about. However once that doubt is gone you are not going to see anyone more upset than another cop.
So basically one's struggles, hopes, and basic humanity should be completely ignored on the basis of the stigma surrounding their job.
I'm pretty sure everyone in this comment section has to deal with a kind of hatred very similar to what you're displaying right here (the kind that's been used to justify terrorism, doxxing, and far, FAR worse, and mock the victims).
I realize from the replies on here that you refuse to consider the other side, but actually think about what you're saying through this refusal to show any empathy. Look in the mirror, and seriously ask yourself if THIS is who you want to be. If THIS is what you want to be remembered for.
I'm pretty sure everyone in this comment section has to deal with a kind of hatred very similar to what you're displaying right here (the kind that's been used to justify terrorism, doxxing, and far, FAR worse, and mock the victims).
I realize from the replies on here that you refuse to consider the other side, but actually think about what you're saying through this refusal to show any empathy. Look in the mirror, and seriously ask yourself if THIS is who you want to be. If THIS is what you want to be remembered for.
Shame the same can't be said about you.
I noticed how because of current events, you take the opportunity to shit on an artist's work because you disagree with the message from a singular person's words who happens to be a police officer because you think all people in that profession are evil without exception.
Grow up. This akin to a child jumping up and down shouting "I told you so! I told you so!" At a funeral. The fact that you waited 5 months to do just that is even more unsettling.
I noticed how because of current events, you take the opportunity to shit on an artist's work because you disagree with the message from a singular person's words who happens to be a police officer because you think all people in that profession are evil without exception.
Grow up. This akin to a child jumping up and down shouting "I told you so! I told you so!" At a funeral. The fact that you waited 5 months to do just that is even more unsettling.
I want to just focus on what Sylleath has said. Regardless of the profession, it should be appreciated for those who want to help their community in any way they can. It is by our own choice of how we treat each other.
I like the message you've written here. It is inspirational and if anything should remind us that change, for better, takes perseverance, as well as courage in the face of our own roadblocks. It is a long road but that's all the more reason to see it through to the end.
The last 3 lines of your motivation are admirable. Thank you for sharing this with us.⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Also nice drawing of his character Shiuk.
I like the message you've written here. It is inspirational and if anything should remind us that change, for better, takes perseverance, as well as courage in the face of our own roadblocks. It is a long road but that's all the more reason to see it through to the end.
The last 3 lines of your motivation are admirable. Thank you for sharing this with us.⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Also nice drawing of his character Shiuk.
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