No black lives matter
Alllivesmatter

You miss the entire point of the movement when you belittle it like that.

I would agree with you there, had the movement not become so insane.

The second it became a movement to 1: Abolish the police, and 2: When it turned into such widespread looting, burning, and violence, it lost me.

I hate police brutality. I think that the three officers involved deserve to go on trial, just like Floyd deserved to and never had the chance to.

Yes, reform needs to happen. Yes, Floyd should still be alive today. Yes, the way policing is done needs to change...

But these "protests" are doing far more to hurt the movement. They don't need guys like that to belittle it... They did it themselves...

I support the protests. No one's been listening. Okay maybe you and I but the public as a whole was just ignoring it, that's why it's resorted to violence. The police as a whole is a corrupt institution that largely looks to protect its problem officers instead of removing them. And defunding the police is an attempt to change that. It doesn't mean we'll have zero police and I think that's where some confusion is.

My support of Black Lives Matter does not mean I'm cool with burning down houses and businesses, looting, or violence, but I understand why it's happening. And I think you should understand why BLM is important too. This is not a fight white people have to make. We don't need to say "All Lives Matter" because it's largely an issue for black people and that's where we should concentrate our efforts.

You miss the point. They do not respect others. People like Martin Luther King showed that they could do enough peaceful human rights, but their descendants forgot it. Blacks become another powerful and discriminate against Hispanics and Asians. Black people think they are the weak, but they are intentionally ignoring the fact that they are really strong as white people.

Remember what happened to MLK Jr? It's actually kind of a sad story. All of that advocacy and he was still murdered... And even with the protests it's STILL happening, this is why we're not getting complacent.

It was just unlucky story. Do not justify violence

If it really was just an "unlucky story", this WOULDN'T HAVE CONTINUED TO THIS VERY DAY.

Racism is a real problem in this country, please stop trying to pretend it doesn't exist.

Strength doesn't really play into this. They are unfairly targeted for their skin color.

You might be a (far right) Republican if you complain that people are being disrespectful after you choked someone to death.

*Sigh* This is all part of a much larger conversation, (one I'd be happy to have, in actuality,) that just frankly doesn't fit in a place like this.

If you would like to continue it though, I'd be happy to in a separate medium. ^^ I'll leave that up to you.

But as a closing remark here, I'll say this: What police need largely is more funding, not less. More funding for proper training(Which this had obvious either little, or bad training,) More funding for less-than lethal measures, and more funding to ensure that you get *quality* cops. And I've seen both Abolish and Defund trending for days now...

I don't Support Black Lives matter, Because as a movement it regularly and consistently results in violent acts against innocent bystanders. On top of that, it was built on lies. The two cases even today that they tout on their home page, that of Treyvon Martin and Michael Brown, were both cases that involved an insane amount of blatant lies or misinformation that surrounded their prominence in the media.

Again, this is part of a much larger discussion, but FA doesn't do well for extended conversations/discussions. xD

Sorry to turn a closing remark into a continuation, but more funding for the current system would cause more problems, not less. The entire system is built on solidarity and unions to PROTECT the bad cops and OSTRACISE the good ones - it would NOT go to proper training, it would go to recruiting more undertrained brutes. It would NOT go to less-than-lethal measures, it would go to more guns and oppression tools. It's unfortunate, but the system is built, even from the early days, to oppress... Heck, the courts have ruled that THAT is the purpose of them - to protect and serve the property of the rich, not the people or their safeties. Sad, but all too true...

I'll agree there to a point: The Unions are the example I see as in the need of the biggest reform. Our criminal justice system also rewards making criminals of people, and is something that I've been in favor of reform of for more than a decade now.

However, Let me put it this way: Guns are cheaper than tasers. You cut their funding, then all that they can afford are guns. They're more prominent, more readily available, and more saturated as opposed to things like tasers. This goes for any kind of LtL round. Officers NEED lethal options, and when that's all that they can afford, then that's all they'll have.

Some form of police/order enforcement has always existed to some extent throughout all of human history. It's purpose is to maintain order of some kind, not to oppress. Also, Please cite your source on that last statement. That is one hell of a statement to make to say that the courts have ruled that way without something to back it up...

We spend way too much on the police and they got militarized at some point which was completely unnecessary. Until they learn to change we shouldn't be giving them a dime.

As someone who's in the military, no, they're not. They don't have nearly the budget that would be required for them to get even close to those levels. But the funny thing is: It'd be better for them if they were more militarized. We have tools in the military that are too expensive for the police that would make their jobs WAY easier, and training that they just don't have. On top of that, the training we receive when it comes to hand/hand is, while violent and rough, way better than the stuff it would seem that the cop that killed Floyd got. I'm in maintenance, and even I could tell that he was improperly mounting the guy. He needed training; training on proper holds/submissions, awareness, and takedowns. If they had even just a portion of that budget for training like that, they'd be able to make a real good, and meaningful difference.

Afraid I'm gonna have to vehemently disagree with you there. The police should not be militarized, they're dangerous enough already! SWAT teams are grossly overused and don't get me started on how much we spend on the military themselves!

The entirety of the police forces across this country need retraining and just throwing money at the problem is not going to solve that.

https://mises.org/power-market/poli.....0is%20apparent. One of many sources out there.

As for the lethal options thing, they don't have lethal options to hand in the UK, and the UK handles better than the USA does. The racism here is a lot more subtle, but still no less insidious I'll admit.

They also don't have the same kind of crime that we have here. Here in the US, there is a literal Culture of Crime.

Also, that entire article blatantly twists those supreme court cases. For both of those cases, the basic question is: Can the government be sued when someone either A: Breaks a restraining order, or B: When someone commits violence against someone else.

Looking at those cases, If they were to rule the other way, then that would necessitate even MORE power to the police. In both cases, the question effectively boils down to: "If someone commits violence against someone else, are we responsible for it?" The answer is absolutely no, nor should it be. If the answer was yes, then that would require that the police preform "Preventative Arrests." Basically, they would HAVE to arrest you before you've even done anything.

Was that a bad source example? Because I mostly found those talking about "Duty of Care" not being required to tend to collateral, which really should be part of the duty.

There are deeper implications. When you think of it from the perspective of "This case makes it so the police don't have to actually protect anyone," these cases certainly look like it. But what it really boils down to is; "Are the police responsible when they *don't* or *can't* protect someone. That is a very important distinction and sets a very dangerous precedence if the answer is "yes."

When you put that responsibility of that on the police, then that means that All the time, Every time, they need to be able to make every arrest from anyone that might possibly, potentially commit crimes or violence. When it comes to law, you HAVE to take it to the extremes, because they *will* be used.

The police do not care about "protecting and serving" and you know something? They don't have to, it's not a requirement. Imagine that. The group of people who claim they're here to "protect and serve" don't have to protect or serve us! It's a joke!

Im sick of people pretending saying " i dont support the violence, but i understand it" and thinking its a get out clause. That would be like saying " I dont support high school schooters but i understand why they needed to do it". Personally i think FA should ban postings of Racial indentity politics cause it always ends up in a shit shown. That stuff infects twitter and other social media enough as it does.

You're comparing looting and rioting to mass murder. Don't do that. I posted this because I felt the need to share my solidarity with the BLM movement. And at its core it's not about violence.

As far as the violence goes, what do you want me to say? I'm not going to burn down buildings and shit but I'm not sure what people expected when they chose to ignore peaceful protests and run over protestors and get upset about people kneeling in front of a damn flag.

saying " what do you expect" is a distanced way of excusing injustice. it would be the same case if someone said " well George Floyd was killed illegally but he was on meth at the time, what do you expect? ".

This is a much more fair and accurate comparison than the previous one.

Oh okay, so it's perfectly acceptable for cops to kill black people like George Floyd but then it's not okay for people to riot in protest of that. Are buildings more important than lives?

You're comparing this to George Floyd hypothetically being on meth. What? I don't care what his situation was, provided he wasn't an ACTUAL THREAT which he wasn't. And a true threat to the officer's life is the only justification.

But here's the problem - many of these so-called "officers" are threatened by the stupidest shit. They're weak people with weak moral fiber. Shooting dogs and black people simply for existing because they're "afraid" of them.

No its not Ok what the cop did to george Floyyd. its not OK for the rioters to kill people, burn down private property or attack cops unprovokedly. A crime does not justify a crime. im sure you have noble intenions with your vocal support of BLM but im sure you'd have major offense if someone critical of BLM were to say " I understand why that cop did what he did to Floyd". So imagine how someone that may have had loved ones killed in the riots or lost their livelyhood would feel about you saying " I underatand why they happened"

No, I don't think you really understand the problem here. The cop had zero reasons to kill George Floyd. The rioters have a reason to be violent - because the cops are killing black people and very little is being done about it.

No, I actually disagree with killing people even during riots. And looting/breaking personal property like cars or houses is definitely a no-no. But that's not what's happening here for the most part.

"A crime does not justify a crime"
Say someone murders someone close to you. You think the murderer deserves to live? I certainly don't.
Someone steals your car, are you not allowed to steal it back?

BLM is a whole is important because its message is that Black Lives Matter. Not more than any other life but equally, and racism in this country needs to be quashed, especially in positions of power.

then you have " eye for an eye" mentality, thousands of years ago someone came forth with a majoer refute to that system. Cant remember his name but i think it started with "J" and ended in " sus" but i could be wrong.

I find it ironic that someone who is opposes BLM is telling me people who do serious crimes shouldn't be punished appropriately.

I dont oppose the statement, i criticse the movement.

I don't know where I said I liked riots. But I don't, and it sucks that that's one of the ways needed to get the point across. People won't listen. Protest during the national anthem? Oh no, then you're disrespecting the flag and people who died for it. Protest in the streets? Oh no, dont' get in my way or I'll run you over. Make sure you only protest when and where it doesn't inconvenience me!

And that's why the violence is happening. Because people ignore or push aside the peaceful protests.

It's not pretending. You can absolutely understand a person's motivations for doing a thing while not agreeing with the motivations or actions yourself, and here there is no "I don't like the rioting, but they had to do it" or anything.

Damn, and you want things like this banned because you and others always have to misunderstand and make a big stupid argumentative stink about it. The 'shit show' is your fault, not us posting in simple solidarity with a just cause.

Word.

Especially these days, so many people need protecting from governments that turn against them. Between this and the end of trans protections in the US and UK, the systems cannot continue as they are without consequence...

i love orcas

All lives matter because cops do evil thongs like the keen on neck to do to some one black or white or takeing moiey form a chitry event to help kids with cancer but what hapend to Pecefull protse but now its all riots when can we have a Pecefull talk whithot destroying a city that you don't live in that's just wrong they did nothing to get hert or naything just minding ther busmess and I come over knock hime out and whele he on the street I kick him in the head ultill hese dead that I waent back to my city like nothing happed who ever dose that is so wrong vilonce is not the answer and therse haterde in the world why can we talk like civle human instead calling each other Nazi kkk white supermest and other hoorble names and get beat up for just saying something that's not ok to do to anyone and here it from time to time again and im am scik of this world of the haterd and chartesvill was one of the worst events in us history because it shows the ture evil of both sides the left and the rigtht and the thing I have to balme all pf this haltered is the mid cnn fox news MSNBC and lafted at the furry hotell incdent that could have killed 19 buzzfeed because its like wiki because you wright anything you want that's not ture like this nail polish can cure cancer no it dosent so plese lets be civle I do bleve cops help us but some I hated like tanking monie from a chitrty that's not ok and the knee to neck incdent and other stuff like that and stop calling eaqch other the n word that will make you a true racest person and saying kill all whites in the world is so racest as well I do bleve all lives matter furry autism our lives matter because we live in a world every day we wake up and we think about what we want to do with our life so that's what matters so plese stop

Please separate your sentences. That is a nasty wall of text you wrote there.

As far as BLM is concerned, that's my stance and I'm not changing it. In the grand scheme of things all lives do indeed matter but that's not where the focus needs to be right now!

Forget all these people, who after seven years still can't grasp that "black lives matter" isn't some kind of exclusionary or supremacist slogan against non-black people. I was some kinda fucking state-loyalist fascist asshole in 2013 and even I understood what its proponents were saying back then. Now I am a proponent.

Black lives matter.

Here's another self evident statement: you make a good orca.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident"

And you're awesome too :P

Oh boy here we go what do I think of the BLM movement its a necessary movement and is the effect of what happens when you let Racism go to far. Violence on the movement is only a focus on the media because of the drama not saying its not real but I have learned from 9/11 and similar events that just because an overwhelming display of aggression and despair can overtake people. There are people who set themselves to do good in even the most trying of times and when you see that the bad only becomes one side of a story then just the whole story.

All Lives matter what I think its a bad say why? the cause of BLM is centered around equalizing treatment of those to the content of your character and your actions not by color of skin. By saying All lives matter you dilute the message and in turn point it away from the point of the movement which is combating racism thus in turn inadvertently making you a part of the problem by doing that. ( A literal you become what your trying to destroy...)

My opinion on what should we do about the police, its a touchy topic. and one that needs about as much care in judgement as when the founding fathers made the first drafts of the Declaration of independence. I think Police are a civil supporting force but we do not need them to be a 2nd SWAT we have a SWAT for a reason (Though there overuse should also be looked into)... So I do not think we should abolish them but I do agree that the means at which they can use force should be reduced to make it so that force is not the go to. Aggression should not be a means to an end it always ends in tragedy in most cases.

My opinion on Unnecessary violence? I lean more towards phegals opinion but I will say the mental state of a person plays a large part in that. And this reminds me of the debate with video games and the hoax of there ability to create violence. When in reality the matter is when people get mad the level at which there mad is dependent on the person and there state of mind so as a result what makes them mad has no say in the matter. If they are going to get aggressive on dangerous levels over a thing they will go to that level of aggression no matter what triggers it. So mentality of the person is what deduces there level of achievable violence to an annoyance will be on. (Which funnily enough relates to that content over color argument against racism.)

And lastly my opinion on lets ban this kind of chat cause its a s*** show. We can't improve are selves if we cant toss ideas around. Ignoring an idea is the same as saying you wont work towards improving it. Its imperative chats like these remain to exist to allow others to toss there opinions into the ring to build into something that can in turn work towards a greater goal. And the reason it turns into a S*** show is because people lack the respect to hear other opinions rather then learning and building off of others and there opinions. Its not the topic its the people on how respectful can they be to build with it. We learn from others it comes down to how much your willing to respectfully listen to others to work with it. For instance I cant read word for word and remember this whole chat there is so much to go over. But admitting that lets those points that i did not hear come with better clairvoyance then to fall on deaf ears.

I know its a lot and I am gonna get some backlash but I will take what opinions you have and construct something better if you'll let that happen.

I think the show Adam Ruins Everything covers a lot of the bullshit that law enforcement does here in the United States of America. It's quite an eye-opener.

The episode is "Adam Ruins Cops" and here's a large list of quotations and sources: https://www.trutv.com/shows/adam-ru.....dam-ruins-cops
The episode itself is here and watchable if you have TV Anywhere with your service provider: https://www.trutv.com/shows/adam-ru.....dam-ruins-cops
You can probably flips clips on YouTube if not.

Whilst I do agree with the corruption amongst the force. Dissolving it is not the answer as there are people in there who are actually outset on doing the right thing. And ruining there career for faults that are not there own is unfair and unjust so I am saying we need stronger regulation in some areas, as the foundation is there. We just need to fix the cracks and weed out those that are exploiting the system to cover there bias and lay harm to those because of said bias. In turn thus being the problem we are combating at this moment.

There's many, many cracks that need to be fixed and this episode doesn't even delve into the rest of the justice system (prison/jail and courts).

But furthermore, no one's "dissolving" the police. What is being talking about is "defunding" which actually does not mean there will be $0 for them to operate. We do need to stop giving them money for extra SWAT forces or anything else that would be overkill.

BLM

ACAB

VORE THE POLICE

OvO

I have a character with blue fur, and for a while, I've been considering getting a commission of him in the role of a BLM protestor, then giving it a different thumbnail and titling it "Blue Lives Matter" just to mess with the opposition.

Great minds think alike.

I see

You're not gonna last long on this site with an ignorant opinion like that, troll. Beat it.