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A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. But my mind is not little - Just for example, have you seen my ego? HUGE! So I'm following an appeal for the humane killing of two billion people with my rant against the death penalty.
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This is nice, it's pretty much my view on the case as well, even if I advise people to the keep the kkilling to a minimum when taking the law into one's own hands. :)
For breaking into my five-year-old daughter's bedroom, I'd probably stick to a level of violence that resulted in permanent wheelchair use or something the like.
But again, great read and great fun! :D
For breaking into my five-year-old daughter's bedroom, I'd probably stick to a level of violence that resulted in permanent wheelchair use or something the like.
But again, great read and great fun! :D
I'll have to respectfully disagree with you. I think that unrepentant murderers not only deserve the death penalty, but violent sex offenders as well.
About the only alternative I could accept would be the "Blood Price", in which the guilty party has to pay back the victim's family a sum of money equal to the victim's worth. And if they don't have the money, they should spend a period of time doing hard labor to pay it off...
...VERY hard labor. With very cheap accomodations. Criminals should never be coddled.
About the only alternative I could accept would be the "Blood Price", in which the guilty party has to pay back the victim's family a sum of money equal to the victim's worth. And if they don't have the money, they should spend a period of time doing hard labor to pay it off...
...VERY hard labor. With very cheap accomodations. Criminals should never be coddled.
i couldn't agree with you more, but then we need more prisons, from what your saying they'd be getting full pretty fast, unless they start going into house arrests, but that would be harder to carry out, i guess every idea has problems at one point or another, i still agree with your point though.
Rotting away in a prison cell for many decades is far, far, FAR worse than a death penalty... especially if you get bored easily.
I think the real problem with the legal system today is that judgements are decided ENTIRELY based on the literal translation of the laws, even when it's a total 'duh' situation.
Also, if you're going to give someone the death sentence, it should be done in some productive way. Don't use animals to test new products, use murderers and rapists! And why watch Football when we could bring back the coliseums with inmate gladiators?
I think the real problem with the legal system today is that judgements are decided ENTIRELY based on the literal translation of the laws, even when it's a total 'duh' situation.
Also, if you're going to give someone the death sentence, it should be done in some productive way. Don't use animals to test new products, use murderers and rapists! And why watch Football when we could bring back the coliseums with inmate gladiators?
Indeed! Oh, and before someone comes along and says that's barbaric... why does anyone watch Nascar? Certainly not for the fun of rednecks turning left. Nope. They watch Nascar in the hopes that someone wrecks and explodes or runs around on fire.
Football? Tackles and broken bones. Rodeo? Cowboys impaled or trampled. Tractor pull? ... ... well, I really haven't figured that one out yet.
Football? Tackles and broken bones. Rodeo? Cowboys impaled or trampled. Tractor pull? ... ... well, I really haven't figured that one out yet.
And who ever said life was required to be fair? We're all going to die, sooner or later. Some of us from our own stupid mistakes, some from the stupid mistakes of others. You're a many times more likely, statistically, to die of a mistake made in a hospital than a mistake made in a courtroom. Ideally, one should stay away from both institutions as much as possible.
Of course, if a fraction of the money currently spent on keeping prisoners in jail were spent on education, there'd be a lot fewer prisoners in jail. It costs over $100 a day, per prsioner, at the cheaper prisons. Some are close to $60,000 a year, per prisoner. How many here, today, make enough to pay for keeping even one prisoner in jail? There are over two million Americans in prison right now. And we're cutting back on the student loan programs? (that's "loans" not "grants")
Then again, prisoners get better health care and have a longer average life expectancy than the average person in poorer society, so if someone really IS a murderer, letting him go in the general public, where he won't get any health care, is a quicker death sentence.
Perhaps mob justice was the most economical. It had a high error rate, but it made people feel they were participating in the system, which is important in a democracy.
Of course, if a fraction of the money currently spent on keeping prisoners in jail were spent on education, there'd be a lot fewer prisoners in jail. It costs over $100 a day, per prsioner, at the cheaper prisons. Some are close to $60,000 a year, per prisoner. How many here, today, make enough to pay for keeping even one prisoner in jail? There are over two million Americans in prison right now. And we're cutting back on the student loan programs? (that's "loans" not "grants")
Then again, prisoners get better health care and have a longer average life expectancy than the average person in poorer society, so if someone really IS a murderer, letting him go in the general public, where he won't get any health care, is a quicker death sentence.
Perhaps mob justice was the most economical. It had a high error rate, but it made people feel they were participating in the system, which is important in a democracy.
i dont aggree and at the same time i dont disagree i think that killers should be killed in the manner that they were killed in, if you hook someone up to the bumper of your car and drag them till they are dead then you should have that done to you
and i dont really aggree with the way prisoners are treeted either its basicly an oversided daycare. they get television, air and heat, 3 meals a day, medical, dental, education, and for what... for stabing someone 30 times because they were mad at them ... as a college student im getting fucked on any kind of real financial aid ...
but then again makeing someone spend their entire life locked into this small room could drive a person mad .. one reason i like arizona prisons .. they dont do the whole creature comforts crap from what ive seen ... basicly its almost like army baracks with no air, cable, or any luxery crap.. make all prisons like that and crime would go down.
in my opion as it were
and i dont really aggree with the way prisoners are treeted either its basicly an oversided daycare. they get television, air and heat, 3 meals a day, medical, dental, education, and for what... for stabing someone 30 times because they were mad at them ... as a college student im getting fucked on any kind of real financial aid ...
but then again makeing someone spend their entire life locked into this small room could drive a person mad .. one reason i like arizona prisons .. they dont do the whole creature comforts crap from what ive seen ... basicly its almost like army baracks with no air, cable, or any luxery crap.. make all prisons like that and crime would go down.
in my opion as it were
Still conflicted a bit on the subject myself.
The problems are that a lot of life sentences for really sick people tend to be attached with the idea of paroll, which means that if the person is infact gulty and deserves to spend the rest of his life in jail, why should he be let out in 20 years? The biggest show if this is Charle Manson, who goes up for paroll every few years, though its by the grace of god that he is so outstandishly insane that its more of a show then actual proceedings.
Then again, the valid and strongest point is the ability to go back and prove innocence for those who are, in fact, innocent.
Anouther downside to life in prison is the burden of the state, how overcrowding is a major problem in this country and taking care of prisoners for the rest of their lives can be expensive.
But all that set aside, I have to agree with the logic of the argument.
The problems are that a lot of life sentences for really sick people tend to be attached with the idea of paroll, which means that if the person is infact gulty and deserves to spend the rest of his life in jail, why should he be let out in 20 years? The biggest show if this is Charle Manson, who goes up for paroll every few years, though its by the grace of god that he is so outstandishly insane that its more of a show then actual proceedings.
Then again, the valid and strongest point is the ability to go back and prove innocence for those who are, in fact, innocent.
Anouther downside to life in prison is the burden of the state, how overcrowding is a major problem in this country and taking care of prisoners for the rest of their lives can be expensive.
But all that set aside, I have to agree with the logic of the argument.
Providing you work the bastards hard, so that they're not a drain on the state. Ideally, lot of recycling centres could be run by prisons; rather than sitting in a cell all day doing nothing, the jailbirds are bussed out to the dump, where they sort the glass, cans and metal out of people's trash.
That way, you get the environmental benefits of waste recycling, and the prison service can sell the recycled material to industries to pay for looking after the prisoners.
That way, you get the environmental benefits of waste recycling, and the prison service can sell the recycled material to industries to pay for looking after the prisoners.
Whoa, border line racism there Azures.
I liked your comic. It was, dare I say, "cute" as well as provocative. However, I do disagree with your point. You forget that murder in many states is in a hierarchy of evil. That the intentional murder of a police officer is worse than the intentional murder of an average civilian. Also, in my state, cold blooded murder for higher is also worthy of execution. The death penalty is given to only the most aggregious of offenses.
You also seem to have muddied up the term homocide with murder and manslaughter. The example you gave for the death of the "intruder" is justifiable homocide, and the person could not be charged with murder on the basis you have presented. Other factors would have to come in to cause liability to be placed upon the person.
The definitions for each offense is set by each state's own legislature. I am from the northeast, so I can't speak up for Texas. But my state's judges do not like issue the death penalty too often. And it seems it takes 27 years to actually have one of these monsters dead and gone.
I liked your comic. It was, dare I say, "cute" as well as provocative. However, I do disagree with your point. You forget that murder in many states is in a hierarchy of evil. That the intentional murder of a police officer is worse than the intentional murder of an average civilian. Also, in my state, cold blooded murder for higher is also worthy of execution. The death penalty is given to only the most aggregious of offenses.
You also seem to have muddied up the term homocide with murder and manslaughter. The example you gave for the death of the "intruder" is justifiable homocide, and the person could not be charged with murder on the basis you have presented. Other factors would have to come in to cause liability to be placed upon the person.
The definitions for each offense is set by each state's own legislature. I am from the northeast, so I can't speak up for Texas. But my state's judges do not like issue the death penalty too often. And it seems it takes 27 years to actually have one of these monsters dead and gone.
What if there are enough credible witnesses or unquestionable evidence? I think the punishment should be worse than the crime to discorage people from commiting it. Some may feel it's worh the risk or even want to be in prison. Prison can affect the rest of your life, even if you are proven innocent. Personally, I would rather be killed than spend my life locked away.
The problem is, tho', they're living on our dime. Some of them sit back, relax, and and enjoy the irony of the fact that their victims and their families are paying to keep them alive. Lifers get a better basic cable package than I do, not to mention loads of other perks, because otherwise, their incarceration would be 'Cruel and Unusual' punishment (B.S.).
And I especially hate it when the criminal pleads guilty and actually wants to be executed....But their lawyer and/or some 'Morality' group wants them to live. Against their wishes.
When someone does something so horrific and admits their guilt, they should be dead before they get to the 'T' sound at the end of 'I Did It'.
We don't have a perfect system. But any little bit helps. Too many problems have been allowed to spread because people were waiting for the 'Perfect' system. It doesn't exist. Even if there was a Truth Machine, you can be pretty sure it will still be manipulated to give the answer someone else wants.
And I especially hate it when the criminal pleads guilty and actually wants to be executed....But their lawyer and/or some 'Morality' group wants them to live. Against their wishes.
When someone does something so horrific and admits their guilt, they should be dead before they get to the 'T' sound at the end of 'I Did It'.
We don't have a perfect system. But any little bit helps. Too many problems have been allowed to spread because people were waiting for the 'Perfect' system. It doesn't exist. Even if there was a Truth Machine, you can be pretty sure it will still be manipulated to give the answer someone else wants.
I agree with you on the fact that holding criminals and killers in prison for life until absolutely proven guilty . . . but these days prisoners practically live the life of Riley on the honest tax payers' money!
So my stand on the subject is a whole new Prison System with a set of prisons specially designed and ranked so that low-level, white collar criminals--the kind that can be easily reabilitated and started on new lives--are given what they need to clean up their acts and get a good start at an honest life; convicted crooks, theives, drug dealers, punks, etc are worked to the bone, and pounded on until they learn that the a clean honest life outside is far better than committing crime and being shoved through the meat grinder; and murders, phsychos, rapists, and all other "extreme" cases are kept under constant watch, worked over and ground physically and mentally, and only get out in either a wheelchair on their way to the mentally dead clinic, or a waste pail bag after being thuroughly executed!
The lesser the crime the better chance of getting out . . . the worser the crime the worser the life inside . . . and the worst crimes get you locked away with only two ways out, neither of which leads to your old life.
If we're gonna hold 'em for life, might as well take control of their lives and make something out of them . . . either decent citizens or compost!
So my stand on the subject is a whole new Prison System with a set of prisons specially designed and ranked so that low-level, white collar criminals--the kind that can be easily reabilitated and started on new lives--are given what they need to clean up their acts and get a good start at an honest life; convicted crooks, theives, drug dealers, punks, etc are worked to the bone, and pounded on until they learn that the a clean honest life outside is far better than committing crime and being shoved through the meat grinder; and murders, phsychos, rapists, and all other "extreme" cases are kept under constant watch, worked over and ground physically and mentally, and only get out in either a wheelchair on their way to the mentally dead clinic, or a waste pail bag after being thuroughly executed!
The lesser the crime the better chance of getting out . . . the worser the crime the worser the life inside . . . and the worst crimes get you locked away with only two ways out, neither of which leads to your old life.
If we're gonna hold 'em for life, might as well take control of their lives and make something out of them . . . either decent citizens or compost!
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