But, what if the shirt wrinkly cuz I'm too lazy to hang them up or fold them :3

Shade the wrinkles rather than line-ing them out- I think is what he'd suggest in this case but I don't know so this gets to be a run-on. 0.o

Learn the power of feathering!
Also, make sure the wrinkles go off the side, etc, and conform to how the clothes fit..tight shirts wrinkle less than looser, but baggy shirts tend to have a few main folds rather than many wrinkles.
Burne Hogarth did a book on clothing wrinkles...you wanna see wrinkles holy fuck that book.

i pet peeve myself all the time with this... so i just don't draw clothes...lol

though i should cause practice makes perfect an all TTnTT

I've been a victim of doing the first one, but I try to vary depending on the type of fabric. :P

Wait... I don't get the last one.

on one the sleeve end is almost a straight line while on the other the sleeve line wraps around the arm.

Oh, but when you see it... when you see it!

Oh shit! I see it!

Brix were shat.

I can agree with too many folds if the person doesnt know how to do them, some pull off very nice folds. But yea, Im trying to add less folds to my clothing nn;

There's a really good book "Dynamic wrinkes and drapery." for this kind of stuff.

Pssh. You and your perfection. 8|

What I've learned from this picture:

Artists are insane
Onta hates lines.... or something o.o

I.... really don't see the difference between the arms in the last comparison <.<

the shoulder is inside instead to be outside. i can't explain you correctly but damn! look closely and make the difference.

I didn't either, at first. The difference is that the line of the sleeve on the left one is nearly straight, implying that the person's arm is flat. The one on the right curves, showing that their arm is more cylindrical, and adds depth to it.

You're just further supporting my theories that artists are insane and that Onta hates lines of a certain type :x

xD It's not a matter of sanity. It's a matter of creating the illusion of depth in a piece of art (at least that's the case being made by the third part.) Little details like that can make a huge difference. As for the additional lines on a shirt, that's more of a, as Onta said, stylistic choice.

Actually, guys? You might have hit on it- I've skimmed your posts, but it's that the sleeve on the bottom of the arm stretches with the arm in the first pic, when on the right, it doesn't, since when you bend your arm like that, your muscles shift and the back of the arm stretches longer, while a shirt would be unable to follow.

None of you are helping to change my mind on this XD

Oooh ok, I see what you mean. Yeah, the shirt would have to be glued to the arm, or something, for it to extend along with it like in the first one. Hadn't noticed that.

It is unfortunate that underwear doesn't exactly highlight, outline, and emphasize one's package as it seems to do in 98% of porn here. The world would be a much more awesome place if there were underwear that did that, but instead, it seems only to . . . compress and flatten or be entirely non-indicative of anatomy, depending on its design.

Best be safe and never draw anybody wearing clothes.

I like your idea. =3

The Moose Knows!

good "don't do", man. i always found that too much details on clothes make them becoming ugly.

Is it odd I find this a helpful art tip? :3

...No, since that's why he did it x3

i just dont bother draw clothes

Very cool! I'm so in love with your art, that I think I shall take these into consideration when I draw.

And also, sorry because this is a details thing, but I think the Simpsons quote is for Donny Don't

yeah i know i was corrected oh well

Honey, when you're at your level of fabulous, whatever you say is correct. =3

*snap sanp*

Oh no she di'n't!

Would you agree that clothes should have a lot of lines when it's necessary? Say, if an artist is drawing a realistic depiction of a shirt, as opposed to a more comic depiction.

too many lines for lines sake is never good even realistic

I don't mean lines for the sake of lines; just lines that should be there in a given instance. Maybe the shirt's wrinkled, or it's bunched up due to the positioning of the subjects body. Things like that.

Depends on if you intend to add color or not; with color you don't need to go overboard with lines, you'll be able to make the impression of wrinkles anyway with shadows and light. If you don't, maybe some really soft hatching or shadows would be better than hard lines.

Yes, very true; good point. I think hatching is something I need to learn how to do, 'cause it looks spiffy when done right. I guess in the end it comes down to preference, but I do agree that hatching/shading would be preferable to hard lines.

Some of those are good points. Though when people start off drawing clothes, and experiment with folds and wrinkles in them, sometimes they'll exaggerate and make too many wrinkles and folds as they get the hang of it. I'd rather they do that for a little while than never learn to do wrinkles at all. Though if it hadn't occurred to them already, it'd be a good way to improve.

Clothes seem to be just as hard to draw as hands. At least for me.

The shoulder in part b of the 2nd one seems out of whack to me. Just looks like the distance between shoulder and armpit is like 1/2cm

dont see it

meh, just the line that turns upwards at the armpit, just looks off a bit.

maybe its just me.

I don't do the bottom two, but the top one. I'll sometimes put a lot of wrinkles in clothes. >:
Well, depends on the position.

Oh hey really nice tutorial, I'm pretty criminal of these time to time. Tutorials like this remind me to be more mindful then lay random marks down.

.3. Cyoot.

hmm now i think you should do realy drawing lessons :3

no matter if you learned it or not 'cuz you can give great tips for details ^_^

Aww..i though this was that clothing example, oh well this is good advise though for a way to draw form fitting clothes.

Damn you Onta! Damn you and all your increadibly fagotrish sexy characters!

thanks for the tip

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/.....9/antionta.png

I'm repsonsible for all of this,a nd because of it, I thank you . .cause really, I knew there was something wrong.

lol as if many people draw clothes here.. I totally agree with your peeves

here's a thought .... what if the character was wearing clothes that were baggy ?
would it still go by these rules,but just making the top longer and making jeans longer ... or not?

All fabric follows some basic principles. Baggy clothes tend to have bigger folds. Usually you'll see lots of folds on a shirt with a thin "limp" fabric (I'm not sure what the acutal word for it is, but when a frabric doesn't have the strength of cotton it tends to have more folds around key areas like the waist.)

Ah I see....yeah most shirts tend to have a lot of creases and folds in them, where as jeans are a thicker material :)

Another one is that images/designs/patterns on clothes are distorted or broken up by the lay of the cloth and by wrinkles. This one always stands out to me when it happens. It makes the body look flat and any fold lines look like marker lines on the shirt itself.

Usually I would agree, but occasionally I'll be admiring a piece of art and suddenly realize that the pattern on the shirt is flat. And it works.

BUT - and it's a big but (similar to my own butt) - the artist didn't allow that pattern to be the be all and end all of their work. They took that flat pattern and manipulated it and worked with it and PUSHED highlights and shading into it. It works best with simple non-repeating floral patterns. It will never work with stripes or plaids, though, and people who abuse plaids like that need to diaf.

A good example of someone who intentionally uses flat patterns in nearly all their work is Yu Kagei.

That's why most porn artists go straight to completely nude.
Most of your drawings are still partially clothed.

Also the third one's variance is terribly overt. How do people not see the difference? :x

I've been guilty of all these things, but I've gotten over most of them.

the seam thing I think has plenty to do with how much blank space you're working with. There are some that I always include, but occasionally minor seams/hems would make things too cluttered, especially if the lines are thick and your image is small. Also, sometimes it's better not to put a line, but indicate a shadow.

But yeah, some of these things are pet peeves of mine. In my own work. If others don't do them, I generally ignore it...unless they're asking for a critique. XD

I'm uber envious of the people that can splash lines all over a shirt and make it look really nice.

Also, not to remind people of their age, but how old is that episode?

its like season 5? so 1995

Time is flying. We need to shoot it down.

Everyone get naked! Problem solved!
Unless you have penis pet peeves....

I don't blame you for it being a pet peeve. xD I dislike to many wrinkles and conforming clothes. xD

I'm guilty of all these XP

High-five for a reference from The Simpsons ~high-fives!~

What about sleeves not always being skin tight?

I use to be really bad about adding lines on shirts, heck, I still am. I have a lot of learning about anatomy and how clothing sits on it. :c

I love drawing seams. c:

People miss out on so much when they don't draw seams. And it really makes me think that they are wearing paper for some reason.

I agree with you onta, but your rules don't apply to wider clothes, that's why people draw more lines and stuff

They aren't rules. They are pet peeves :)

Sorry xD