Except in this situation the end boss is the good guy.

Hahaha nope

I used to be on her side till I found out some of the shit she's been posting. She had it coming.

yeeeaaahh... siding with Disney here.

Did you actually READ the post she got fired for? I did. It in no way disparrages jews. In fact it highlights what they went through and uses it as a warning, and warns that if we continue down this path of hate and devission, what happened to the jews could happen again.

It's a warning, yet people are calling it an attack. All while people with the opposite political view at disney and Lucas film, are allowed to continue actually calling people nazzi's, racists and biggots seemingly without reprecussion.

She compared being a Trump supporter to the plight of the Jews during the Holocaust. It abso-fuckin'-lutely trivializes what they went through.

Watch it dear: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wobaAa0mG8

Yeah, guess how many shits I give about your right-wing conspiracy videos and how much water they actually hold in the real world, "dear".

If you seriously believe being a Trump fan and being a Jew in Europe during the Holocaust are the same thing, you can kindly take a fucking seat.

Not during Holocaust. The period she's talking about happened before Holocaust. Do you really think that germans would really do to people with who they probably lived many generations with to be treated like this if every official german source of information (all of them controlled by the Nazi party by the way) like newspapers, posters, pamphlets, radio, and film, etc. has painted them as "vile other" or "vermins" or "traitors who cost us war"? Nazi party heated up resentment towards them till it culminated in Night of Broken Glass aka Kristallnacht. From that point onward it was just sliding down the slope. And now prominent figures of the left are calling for killing them. They are calling them "vile scums", " traitors" etc.
Don't you see similarities in the slightest when it comes to that period and today?

Yeah, cool, it still isn't even close. Conservatives and liberals shit-talking each other is not a government scheme to ease people into thinking rounding up right-wing voters into death camps is a good idea. A scheme that, going by the timeline illustrated by this lunatic theory, started during the Trump administration. Calling people scum or traitors also =/= literally publicly calling for the mass execution of anyone who isn't a leftist. Funny, might I add, how when the right does the same thing towards the left, it's perfectly goddamn fine, but turn the tables and out comes the persecution complex.

I do.

They gave her a second chance after almost firing her previously and her response to almost losing her job was, hold my beer.

Disney is 100% correct in firing her. She can spew her toxins elsewhere.

Yep.

She's a horror show

i mean... dodney asa good guy? this seems more like a chick who couldnt stfu when asked and a shit company having beef

They proved her point right didn't they

I think you mean "beep proved boop point, didn't beep?"

Not that I think much of 'transgender-lite' pronoun surgery, but you don't just go around mocking groups and expect that it won't come back to bite you in the ass.

Don't go trying to force people to bow to your ideology and you won't get that type of backlash.

We had a word for people who tried to push people into doing things they didn't want to do. We called them bullies. The mob tried to bully her into putting up pronouns, and she didn't want to. So she mocked them.

I admit that I wasn't aware of that particular bit of background; just the ensuing mockery. I'm all for leftist activism, but SJWs are definitely an all round shitty group of people.

Well it goes against the narrative, so of course it wasn't talked about much. Nice thing about having people you follow from all sides and spectrums; the algorithm has a hard time pigeon hole'ing you, so you get the feeds from both sides. And hearing both sides of a story can help with clarity :)

How dare she be forced to treat people with respect. The next thing you know, the words Ni**er and k!ke and ch!nk might become unwanted. What kind of hell-on-earth would that be?

Respect is a two way street. Don't go wagging your finger in someone's face demanding they behave a certain way and then expect them to not have a resistance to how it was forced upon them. She didn't seem to have any issues about people and their preferred pronouns til they started to demanding behavioral alterations. If she did previously, then that's on her, but I didn't see her get mouthy about it til they got aggressive about it all.

This type of situation is getting rather common, as well. Most people, yes, even those you might disagree with, would be more then okay calling someone by their prefered pronoun if they would just be nice about addressing the topic. Catch more flies with honey then vinegar, afterall.

But when people approach aggressively and rudely, yeah, people won't stand for that bullshit and will go out of their way to belittle such bullies. The left -thankfully- did it to the overly zealous karen's of the 90, the Evangelical religious nutjobs that were demanding everyone behave in the mannerisms that they chose: the bible. The common behaviors between them and the current PC groups is uncanny, though neither will ever admit it.

I can't. I just can't....

I could explain, but it won't work. There's a reason people are all blocking you.

Have a nice life.

What people would those be, 'charmer'?

Actually, never mind. More automatons like yourself, right? If someone disagrees, it's because they're bad people and should be ostracized, right?

You're gross.

Second block I've ever gotten on this site, that I know of at least. If that counts as "all", well then the collectivization I was mentioning earlier seems to be making itself apparent how flawed it really is.

Ah well, nothing of value was lost. If they can't explain (and won't even attempt it) then I just skipped wasting my time I guess.

I'd thank them, but they would rather throw a digital tantrum like a child, fingers in ears. *casual shrug*

They weren't talking to you.

And I'm not talking to you. 'Course, you're talking at pretty much everyone right now, so accusations of speaking out of turn are a bit ironic coming from you.

I think we all could do with taking a breather and letting cooler heads prevail.

Not sure why we're all taking these things so personally when it doesn't actually involve any of us. :(

There seems to be more to this story then what is being told here. Did Gina intentionally use the wrong pronouns on a known person who changed their pronouns? Then when she was told to stop that she lashed out?

Because that changes the story from her being the victim to her being the bully. It is common for a bully to claim they are being bullied when they can't bully other people.

No, apparently she was being pressured by SJWs to 'list her pronouns' on her page. So she listed them as "beep, boop, beep," and was summarily 'cancelled' for it. That not-well-publicized bit of info makes her kinda not the asshole in this story.

I'm not entirely convinced she was being pressured. It could just as likely been a couple of her fans asked her as a joke and she responded in a similar fashion only to get in trouble and then later claimed she was getting pressured to do so. She is obviously a conservative woman and makes her views on the matter quite clear. It is unlikely any SJW wouldn't browse her account history and there is enough there to get mad without needing to entrap her. She wasn't 'cancelled' for his anti-trans remarks, that just got her in trouble. She apparently got 'cancelled' for her repeated antisemitic remarks. She seems to have a history of making such remarks and I guess that was the straw that broke the camel's back.

She doesn't seem to be the type to really back down, but I've seen stranger things happen. Who knows?

And anti-semetic according to who? 'Not saying it didn't happen, but I haven't yet seen these claims, nor have I seen the people claiming to be offended about them. You are right when you say bullies will at times claim to be the victim, but that card works in both directions. Again, not saying who is right in the situation, I just find that there's a ton of hear-say, no evidence bring presented that isn't being blown out of proportion in one way or another, and all based on the claimed offended'ness of people who might just want her out of the show for whatever reason they might have.

To many assumptions going on through all these things in culture lately.

It's anti-semitic according to the Jewish community. They are the authorities on those types of things. Not surprising you haven't heard of anyone being offended by this, it seems you travel in certain circles that might treat this type of criticism as ideology that is being forced on people and thus should be dismissed and ignored. The evidence we have are the comments she made. What is in doubt is the claim she was forced to make those comments. Which seems like an excuse to save face. There is no mystery why they want her off the show, she is an influential person on a popular show that is spreading a harmful ideology.

As far as I can see; no, she didn't refuse to do anything. At least from what I've seen, people were demanding she put pronouns in her bio on Twitter; she doesn't subscribe to the ideology that would require it, and therefore didn't want to. The pressure to do so kept ramping up, so she put Beep/Bop/Boop or something like that as a mocking way to deal with the issue.

If she didn't want to do it then she shouldn't have done it. She acted unprofessional, she embarrassed her employer and got fired for it. All those other times she made bigoted comments were intentional but as soon as she gets in trouble then she was suddenly pressured to make these bigoted comments. The party of personal responsibility unless you were peer pressured.

Go crawl back under your rock, the adults are talking now.

Okay, my bad. I took the phrase "gay agenda" seriously.

That's really the entire issue. People tried to force her to put pronouns in her bio and when she made a joke about it everyone got upset. I don't have a twitter, but if I did I wouldn't bother with pronouns because I'm cis, I have nothing to say on the subject of pronouns so it should just be assumed that the carpet matches the drapes. She made a joke because people were pressuring her to do something she didn't want to, and that joke ended up being offensive.

Her most recent point i mean. The one conparing the treatmwnt of conservatives to the treatment of Jews before the holocaust, which she is spot on about if you look for the warning signs

No, they didn't, because a company letting go of a PR nightmare waiting to happen who's ignored multiple warnings to cut the bullshit =/= a fascist government conditioning people into thinking genocide is cool.

Facism is the merger between the state and the corporations within it. It does not need to be the government that starts this. A company that has massive sway over popular culture however and has repeatedly allowed worse individuals with far worse remarks to be fine if they side with one side of the isle, it sends out a very clear message as to how they're influencing people nowadays.

Uh huh, cool, they still didn't fire her for being a conservative, nor is this the first step towards genocide.

No it isn't. Its just one step among many hundreds already taken

There's no genocide being planned, get over yourselves, ffs.

You have no idea at all.

Wasn't that the system that conservatives wanted? Free markets will control corporations, don't regulate what businesses do. Corporations are people too.

That seemed to backfire quickly, huh?

A free market can control stuff like this. We have not lived in one since the creation of the federal reserve and its equivalents globally.

I'm not sure how you think a free market doesn't apply here. You are not forced to buy from Disney, you are free to buy from their competitors. The idea is that if a company does so bad in the public's eye, they can buy from their competitors until it forces that company to change policies to survive. This is a free market in action, without proper regulation, one company can amass a lot of power. How else do you imagine a free market to work?

Thats right. We Defy you, Mickey. All those Horrible Schemes you've done!

It was technically Lucasfilm that fired her, and you must have a very funny definition of "horrible schemes".

Yeah well now i understand. Unbelievable, Huh?

Yeah, how dare a company not want to have someone representing them who's openly been saying actually terrible stuff.

Odd how their treatment of James Gunn over decade-old edgelord jokes he'd already apologized for didn't provoke this kind of response.

james gunn's tweets were stupid....literally stupid, immature rants of a nerdy boy. the guy apologized, disney realized they were making a mistake that would cost them big money and brought him back.

that woman in the other side, yes, she said terrible stuff, AND SHE MEANT IT, it was not a joke, it was her actual opinion. so, yeah...disney did what any company would do, get rid of toxic people brining bad publicity to their company and its products. it's basic business behaviour.

and lol....we are actually paying a ttention to this post....when all we have here is a disney hater that surely loves zootopia...or not....who cares?

Running concentration camps? - OK! Saying things on Twitter? - REEEEEEEEEE!!!

lol....you really are saying disney runs the concentration camps in china? where they filmed mulan? REALLY? wow...lol....THOSE CAMPS ARE RUN BY THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT. DISNEY JUST FILMED THERE AS LOCATION SETS. DISNEY DOES NOT SUPPORT OR PROMOTE CONCENTRATION CAMPS, ARE YOU HIGH? and no...i am not defending disney. they knew where they were filming. and that's terrible...but, FACTS, PAL, CHECK THEM BEFORE ACTIVATING THE "ALL SOCIAL MEDIA HATES DISNEY, SO I MUST HATE IT TOO" SWITCH....disney running concentration camps....sure, and studio ghibli must run sweat shops and slave child traficking rings in malaysia too....lol....

XD Oh My God...

'Disney running concentration camps'? Who's high there?
I used that short description because I I figured people would be smart enough to know that these two comparisons were about Disney's attitude towards the things the two entities did... but I guess I was too optymistic about that?

lol.....this entire thing is so stupid....i apologize....now i see what you meant. sorry....this guy's post's stupidity kinda affected me. really sorry . thing is.... i can believe people actually thinks disney ran that c.c. in china.....seriously....twitter's moron-o-meter goes that far. still, disney made a huge mistake filming there. that, we cant argue.

and again, sorry. english is my second language, and sometimes it fails me.

Does Gina Carano have a stranglehold on them like the Chinese government? Is she the one who's got them convinced that they need to bend over backwards to please an oppressive foreign government or else they'll never turn a massive worldwide profit again?

No, she's one person who was associated with them and who they've chosen to not associate with anymore. There's the difference between the two entities you're comparing. One holds overseas power over Disney and makes sure they're scared of it, the other's a woman making ignorant tweets.

Also worth noting is that she'd been bringing bad PR to the company for months. Lucasfilm had been looking for a reason to cut ties with her since November, and her most recent tweets were just the last straw. In the span of a few months, she made ignorant remarks about people specifying their pronouns, parroted QAnon conspiracy shit, supported the ending of democracy, revealed herself to be an anti-masker, and topped it off by suggesting that decentralized liberals and conservatives hating each other is AT ALL comparable to the struggles of Jews in Nazi Germany. Lucasfilm and Disney had EVERY RIGHT to decide they no longer want to give her a platform. And this wasn't some James Gunn scenario where someone dug up edgy jokes she made over a decade ago because they were big mad about what politician she does or doesn't support, no, these were fresh tweets that she was completely serious about.

To be fair, Disney did give special thanks to one of the camps by name for letting them film there, right in the credits of their Mulan remake, and kinda acted like nothing awful is happening over there. But that's just because they were likely afraid of what the repercussions might be if they didn't, since the Chinese government seems to get more and more banhammer-happy by the week.

agree, disney failed there, BIG TIME. HUGE TIME, COLOSSAL TIME, JUMBO TIME. american studios obsession with chinese box office has gone too far. but...use that, a stupid bad business choice, to approve or defend that woman´s uber toxic and racist opinion....pretend she is a sort of rebel hero, when she is really a racist, moronic person....DISNEY MAKES MISTAKES AS A COMPANY CUS THEY ARE TOO BIG FOR THEIR OWN GOOD. AND GREED MAKES YOU STUPID. but that woman made those tweets cus that is her actual belief....so....whoever supports her, supports her opinions. i'll just say that....and ask people to think about that and ask themselves if it's worth to follow someone who supports the things that woman said. I WONT TELL ANYONE WHAT TO DO. i already made my choice. i can't continue following this "artist" anymore.


that woman is wrong, dead wrong, and she represents why social media like twitter will implode eventually.

Okay, there's no need to do the whole sour grapes sarcasm quotes thing when referring to Dutch being an artist. And honestly, I doubt he even supports the worst of what she said.

Tp be fair as well, I don't recall her saying anything actually racist in those tweets, just being really stupid and tone-deaf.

racist, stupid...potato...potatoe....
as for the quotations, i use them because an artist should never use his art to promote political agendas or wrong opinions. that's propaganda, not art. he is welcome to have an opinion, even a wrong one, but, use his skills to promote those opinions, diminishes him as an artist. that's the difference between a mural painting and vandalism graffiti. nd i know i sound super mega snob. not my intention, but as latin american, i have seen more than enough wasted talents sold to political agendas and wrong opinions. and support that woman's opinions is the "artists" 's right...but, use his art to make it public and notorious, big fail. that's the reason for my quotations. THE GUY IS TALENTED. i used to follow him because i liked his cartoony style. A VERY DISNEY INFLUENCED STYLE. but....this post shows me he is either a double moral guy, or terribly wrong about what disney should mean to him as an artist.

i already made my point very clear here. check my comments. GINA CARONO IS WRONG, DEFENDING HER AND MAKE HER LOOK LIKE A HERO IS WRONG. DISNEY DAMAGED THEIR CORPORATIVE IMAGE FOR GOOD WITH THE MULAN FIASCO AND DUTCH USED HIS ART FOR GROSS PROPAGANDA WITH THIS PIC,. there, i said it. dutch is already on my block list. and i am done with this post and its comments, please refer to all my comments here to get the full scope of my opinion. thanks.....and i never said a damn thing about mentally handicapped people....wtf??? ALSO, I AM VENEZUELAN. so, i cant support blm, since that movement has been supported by nicolas maduro, i lost friends in venezuela to nicolas maduro, i had to leave my country because of that government that has financed blm...so, again, check my comments here, please.

>if BLM riots and kills it’s considered a mostly peaceful protest

That's because it WAS mostly peaceful protests. Stop buying into Faux News bullshit.

if Disney are bending over backwards to appease a nation running literal concentration camps and genociding people just to make money on their market, and firing people for off comments on their own time, then maybe Disney should resort their priorities…

Gina was let go for a number of reasons and it had been coming for awhile, her comments (which are kinda bad press when she's playing a major character in one of their properties) were just the thing that provided the best excuse to finally do it.

AND...THIS IS WHY I AM GLAD I WAS BANNED FROM TWITTER...
people defends a colossal piece of crap like this woman. she said terrible things. she meant those things....and she still has fans and followers....and supporters....yeah, sure. DISNEY IS THE VILLAIN HERE....LUCASFILM IS SATAN HERE. gina is god....sure. whatever.

the WE HATE DISNEY BECAUSE WE ARE MILENIALS AND HATING DISNEY MAKE US RELEVANT mindset has taken many kids (cus they must be kids...no real adult can support this woman...at least, not a real functioning intelligent adult) to support people like this woman (i simply wont mention her name, because that would be promoting her, and after the loads of crap that woman said....she does not even deserve me mentioning her name) so, basically. you are saying you are ok with all the things she said? ok....


also. using your art for this level of propaganda....gross. simply gross.

ok boomer

thanks for validating my point.

thanks for doing the same

well....i am gen x. not a boomer...so....meh.

How is what he said a "boomer" comment? I'm 29 and I HATE Twitter for the exact same reason! Hell, I began to seriously distrust Facebook when they allowed corporate products to start posting like they're individual people like a bizarro world version of the Steve Buscemi "How do you do, fellow teens" meme!

"also. using your art for this level of propaganda....gross. simply gross."

Then leave. Nobody is forcing you to watch them. They can do as they want on their section of the net. And many don't hate Disney because it's "Making us relevant", we hate Disney for pumping out poorly written reboots of already sucessful movies with a good character development, their erasure of major black characters from movies because China doesn't like black people, for erasing non-hetero moments in movies because China doesn't like gay people, for the thanks of using a concentration camp security force that was and is actively doing organ harvesting, sterilization of the females, and sometimes just outright execution of those they deem undesirable. The Nazi's were shit for doing it, the USSR was shit for doing it, and CCP is shit for doing it.

You don't have to agree with Gina on the shit she said, but in the end, Disney is bowing before monsters for profit. If you want to claim to have any moral compass, you might need to reevaluate how you protect the House of Mouse.

lol.... i dont protect the "house of mouse" check my comments. I AM THE FIRST ONE TO ADMIT THAT DISNEY, AS A COMPANY, IS FULL OF MISTAKES. THEY ARE FAR FROM PERFECT, AND EVEN FURTHER FROM THE IDEA WE USED TO HAVE OF THE COMPANY. is amazing how you guys turn this into a pro disney or anti disney thing. when the real problem are the tweets of that woman. who played the victim card masterfully "BAD DISNEY FIRED ME, THEY HATE FREEDOM OF SPEECH, BOO HOO" you turned freedom of speech into anarchy of speech. and you just dont seem to realize the difference.

I MADE IT CLEAR THAT I AM AGAINST HOLLYWOOD'S BENDING OVER TO GET CHINA'S BOX OFFICE MONEY, again, check my comments here. all of them. DISNEY MADE A HUGE MISTAKE WITH MULAN, A COLOSSAL FAIL, A PR NIGHTMARE. but...gina said worse things, and she meant those things. so, yeah, disney made more than ok firing her. SHE HAS TOXIC OPINIONS THAT DO NOT BENEFIT A COMPANY ALREADY DEALING WITH A PUBLIC RELATIONS NIGHTMARE AS THE MULAN INCIDENT, I AM NOT DENYING DINSEY'S FAILS, I AM ACTUALLY MENTIONING THEM.

and, if you feel targeted by my comment, EVEN WHEN I DIDNT MENTION ANY NAMES. not my fault, pal, sorry. I AM DOING EXACTLY AS DUTCH DID, SPREADIN G MY OPINION WITHOUT REALIZING WHOM WILL I OFFEND, see how it works? see how bad it feels? that's anarchy of speech, not freedom of speech.

as for "leaving" lol....i should leave the site because of this guy's wrong opinion? heh....that sounds so much like "if you dont like america, then leave" mindset....which actually makes a lot of sense now that i think about it.

DISNEY MADE MISTAKES WITH MULAN, GINA IS A COLOSSAL DOUCHEBAG WHO DESERVED WHAT HAPPENED TO HER. and defending her just to "spite" disney (they will continue existing, our opinions here will not even mean a damn to them, so basically, we are killing each other here, defending a company that does not care about it, and a failed actress full of her own shit) and that makes me laugh, sadly.

and...this is not THEIR SECTION OF THE NET. this is a site WITH RULES ABOUT CONTENT. and i am sure posts like this violate at least one of those rules. if this site's name was DUTCH AFFINITY, cool, his site, his rules. BUT HE IS IN FUR AFFINITY, AND HE MUST FOLLOW THE RULES, in any case. it's him who must leave, not us for not liking the shit he's done. but again "if you dont like america, then leave" right?

I'm not going through the entire thread to find every post you made; and to expect anyone to do so is foolish. Make your point stand on it's own or expect the point to be missed.

I didn't say leave the site, I said leave. As in keep scrolling past Dutch's post/journal/comment. You can also unwatch him if you want. Makes no difference to me. But telling him what he can or can't/ should or shouldn't be able to draw on his own account seems a bit totalitarian to me, and something I don't think you'd want to do if you saw it through an outsider perspective.

Ah yes. Cancel culture at it's best. "I'm sure he must have violated at least one of these rules". What rule would that be? Sounds like someone looking to silence an opinion outside of their own. We're all neighbors here, perhaps some civility would be in order. Or I guess we can keep being at each other's throat.. kinda like what she was fired over posting.

heh...i already unwatched him and added him to my blcok list. but, i must answer the comments that keep arriving like yours, i am not here for dutch, i am here to answer your comment. dutch is already on my block list. i have been over ten years here, i know how to deal with posts i dont like. i also tend to respond all comments, positive or negative, like yours :)

hey, i can't do nothing if you are too lazy to check facts before making an opinion about me. your rules. not mine.

and, cancel culture? really, so, the site's rules are now cancel culture? GINA IS NOW CULTURE?? wow....lol...amazing....thanks for validating my point about anarchy of speech....cancel culture...amazing.

so, gina's comment are culture now? my god...

...No, "Cancel Culture" refers to the practice of demanding the end of everyone and everything that makes even the smallest slip-up.

Well put, thank you :)

Which is totally fine :) I don't have beef with those passively not getting involved in other people's affairs.

Well ya could make your point clear on the post we're disusing here specially without expecting people to 'scavenger hunt' for answers across the net, but it's not that big of a deal. It's less about laziness and more about expecting people to understand you answered a question somewhere else in the internet and then expect them to waste time searching for something they don't know if it even exists.

No, you're exaggerating the point. You admitted you didn't know if it violated a ToS, but were sure it was because you wanted it to. It's a common behavior that those in the cancel culture mind-set express. Though the "She should get fired for saying/doing things I don't like" is very much something seen in that grouping.

ok...pal...listen...i ahve been here over ten years. i was here back when this site was independent, i were here while it was property of someone else. and i am still here now that it came back to be independent...AND IN ALL OF THAT TIME, THEY HAVE HAD A VERY, VERY STRICT CODE OF CONTENT. years before crap like "cancel culture" were a thing (btw....using cancel culture as an argument. stop doing it, please. not good for your debating, it's cheap) I'VE HAD ISSUES WITH THE ADMINS FOR THINGS WAY TAMER THAN THIS, WAAAAAAYYYYY TAMER, and you know what i learned? THEIR SITE,. THEIR RULES. i, as an adult, must respect those rules, or leave...as you asked me to leave from dutch's site....he was on my watches list before this crapfest of a post, BECAUSE I LOVE HIS ARTWORK. HE IS A TALENTED ARTIST. but...his political opinions...suck seven kinds of ass. and he made the mistake of mixing art, with politics, IN A SITE NOT DEDICATED TO POLITICS OR OPINION, THIS IS FUR AFFINITY, NOT C-SPAN OR CNN, TIME AND PLACE, PEOPLE! why can't you understand that? i am not asking you to not have an opinion, LOL, I HAVE A VERY DEFINED POLITICAL OPINION, but...you wont see it in my art posted here. BECAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE PLACES FOR THAT, AND THIS SITE IS NOT A PLACE FOR THAT.

as for the tos thing...i am not an admin. they will decide about it whenever they check this post. if they ever do. it's not my choice. you are asking a tenenat to amke a landlord's decision.

"She should get fired for saying/doing things I don't like" ok...tell me. DO YOU LIKE ANY OF THE THINGS SHE SAID? whay are you still defending her? OF COURSE NOBODY SHOULD LIKE HALF OF THE THINGS SHE SAID, COME ON!! it's common sense, not twitter drama. she said jews killed jews on ww2....without context, without any real reason...SHE SAID THAT. among many other terrible things....that is not culture, that is not freedom of speech, this is not what indepencence was fought for, on the united states or any other country (i am from venezuela, and i live in uruguay, just in case you think i am some sort of maga supporter, because man....your concept of me....is epic...) OF COURSE I DONT LIKE WHAT SHE SAID, i am not jewish, i am not from the united states....and i still find her tweets and comments disgusting, not insulting, DIS. GUS. TING.

scavenger hunt?...if your mouse has a wheel button, you can easily scroll up and down, ALL OF MY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS POST ARE HERE, EASY TO FIND. you dont have to go across the net (and you are the one saying i exagerate, lol) i answered here, not somewhere else in the internet. and, if you consider searching for the entire context of a comment, a waste of time...maybe debating is not your thing. just saying.

if this post will be deleted or not, NOT MY DAMN BUSINESS. the admins will decide that, if they ever check the post, it's not my choice, and since dutch is on my lock list, either my problem. whatever happens, happens.

What the hell is Disney supposed to do about what China's government is doing though? The CCP has Disney convinced that they can't survive without China's money and must bend over backwards and twist into a pretzel to make sure nothing offends the increasingly trigger-happy censorship committee. And now think about how much Disney merchandise is probably manufactured in China, or the fact that there's two official Chinese Disney parks in operation. We're talking about a country whose leader banned that Christopher Robin movie because of memes comparing his face to that of Winnie the Pooh, because it's against the law in China to criticize or make fun of the government and its figures, now imagine what would happen if Disney as a whole company actually took an open stance against the CCP's practices and policies.

Kind of a bigger fucking dilemma than "Maybe we should cut ties with this woman spouting off really bad shit on Twitter after we warned her to cut that out."

So they should erase black actors and scenes involving gay people for profit? Seems like money > morals isn't a good position to be in.

I mean you make great points here; I don't know why we're on opposite sides. Disney should either stand on morals and not exclude those CCP deems unworthy, or they should be counted as complicit as the monsters they thanked in Mulan.

What black actors have been removed from Disney movies for China? Genuine question, cause I sure as hell don't know of any. And I don't mean something petty like "The Chinese poster doesn't have this black character on it that the American one does" or something.

Honestly, I do wish they'd just let some of their films be banned in China. Give the younger generations over there all the more reason to find ways to rebel, do what Joker did and prove that you don't need China's money to succeed, etc. But they seem to see themselves in a sort of helpless situation, and knowing the CCP, they could easily go all-out should Disney ever say how they most likely really feel.

My point though was that no, you can't really compare a complex, messy scenario like that...to a single actress who played a relatively small role in one show being dropped by Lucasfilm as consequence for her own fuckup after they warned her once already to stop.

"And I don't mean something petty like "The Chinese poster doesn't have this black character on it that the American one does" or something." Well if you want to wave away some of the evidence that doesn't fit the narrative then this is not a fair conversation with legit intents. But I guess you could look at how after the first one came out they made him into a bumbling, hooting, unimportant background character when he was one of the characters with the most potential. I mean an ex-stormtrooper turning into an Empire slaying Jedi? That would have been a great character arc; but then they got the call in from Xi and all he was turned into a "REY!" shouting goofball constantly clumsily bumbling around. Come to think of it, how many Disney movies have black actors/actresses in them? The number really soured, outside of Black Panther. Anyways, I'm getting off topic, sorry.

I agree fully. They should just, as Dutch put it, give Disney the middle finger and go with the notion that "I will not be silenced for the CCP's demands, nor it's money".

"Relatively small role"? I thought she was a major character in it? As much as I LOVE Star Wars and Mandalorians (most of my non-anthro characters have Mandalorian names and wear their armor), I haven't seen it. Which sucks cause my best friend constantly wants to talk about it. But instead I ride on my morals and don't give Disney my money. *shrugs*

I didn't say anything about anyone flipping off Disney though, I specifically said Disney should stand up for themselves and others and just let some of their stuff get banned. And no, her character showed up during the last season of the show.

I also didn't "wave away evidence", I asked for an actual example of a black actor being erased from a film itself for China. And really, I HIGHLY doubt that, in films already displaying so many awful writing choices, Finn being Flanderized was somehow ordered by Xi.

"I specifically said Disney should stand up for themselves and others and just let some of their stuff get banned"
I might have worded that poorly, sorry. So let's reframe the image as 'Micky Mouse flipping off Xi and the CCP banner". Would that not have the same sentiment as the image?

Oh, okay :) I was under the impression she was around since sometime in Season 1, m'bad :)
Well his character was less important, got less air time, and was erased off the marketing advertisements. As one of the only black characters in the movie, doesn't that kind of speak for itself about black erasure by disney for CCP's desires? If they get a marketing team to report back saying "Hey, CCP doesn't like blacks. Downsize em", and they downsize them for profit, I would think that's a pretty easy way to erase black characters and not blame Disney for bending the knee on the situation.

Though I can easily agree that writing has been rather awful across most recent media c.c

Finn became less important because they wanted to raise Rey up to ridiculous levels and have her be the focus, let's be real. Just like how basically EVERYONE suddenly became less important and written worse to boost her.

Two things can happen at the same time. Correlation doesn't equate causation, I'll give ya that. The timing seemed rather suspicious though.

yep....i agree. disney's company mindset made them bend over to china's box office money, AND THAT IS A MISTAKE I WILL NEVER FORGIVE THEM FOR. IT'S PURE AND COLOSSAL GREED, STUPID GREED, i am the first one to admit that. but...this pic's point of view...making gina a sort of HEROINE OF THE LOWER CLASS AND CARRIER OF PEOPLE'S VOICE, middle fingering the evil bad company for doing what any other company would do (specially disney since they, again, must clean up the fresh mess they made with mulan, both as a movie, and as a public relations nightmare) i am not calling disney a cabal of saints....but gina is not a hero of the people, she is not a victim of a megalomaniac corporation. she is a colossal piece of crap, with a brain full of more crap. and nobody should even think about validating her points or saying she is right. gina said very bad things, very bad things with a very deep meaning. i wanna think she is the leftovers of 2020's disastrous trend of wrong politics supported by people who dont know best. but..hey...i am just a 42 years old guy...maybe i am too old for this generation already.

yes, GINA IS THE ISSUE HERE. not disney. but..here we can see people defending gina...just because disney made her a "victim" just for doing what any company would do when facing someone like her. amazing....they dont care about gina's racism and lack of moral sense. they only care about destroying disney. i mean, lol.

and again, i'll say it here, since people seems to be too lazy to follow my comments on this post. I AM NOT PRO DISNEY, DISNEY MADE A HUGE MISTAKE WITH MULAN, THE SAME WAY THEY MADE A MISTAKE ABOUT GUNN, DISNEY ARE NOT SAINTS, DISNEY MADE TERRIBLE MISTAKES. but....gina's tweets.

“Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors…. even by children,” this is what those victimizing carano are defending...and this is only one of her many toxic tweets. a guy said i was a perfect example of cancel culture. if gina carano is culture, and i hope she is not...then yeah, THIS CULTURE, I CANCEL.

“Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors…. even by children,”

How is this incorrect, when this was recorded happening in history?

And I think the conversation is getting a bit muddled. I see less people talking bout her as a victim but more as a person standing up for what she believes, at the cost of her career, be the other things she said good or bad. Dislike what people call transphobic tweets and stuff, sure, but standing up for her principles against the House of Mouse is still a good thing. Nobody is perfect. I'm sure even MLK had a dark side, but that doesn't undo the positives he brought up.

TL;DR: Collectivizing everything is bad, sometimes people can praise 1 good element out of many.

WHY JEWS HAD TO BEAT PEOPLE IN THE STREET? dude...context. is not what she said. IS THE WAY SHE SAID IT. it was wrong, it sounds like jews were evil for beating other jews, and basically saying that nazis weren't as evil as we think, when everybody knows nazis forced jews to kill each other to survive. but...gina is a missunderstood hero of the oppressed poor people who can't speak, right?

and, glad you think this "conversation" is getting boring. allow me to remind you, you started it. have a good life.

That sounds like your version of an interpretation of it. Not sure how you got "Nazis weren't as evil as we think" part out of that, it sounded like she was saying everything involved was horrible. It was. Everything from the dehumanizing part at the beginning to the normalcy of ratting out your neighbors for being different, to normalizing attacking those you disagree with, to the government sweeping in and 'protecting the country from those problematic people' to the train cars.

I didn't say "boring", I said muddled.

Nice block, btw. Would have been nicer to have a decent conversation, but I guess it's easier to keep your bubble small.

Well, what she said read more like "telling people that they can't persecute minorities is the exact same thing that happened to the Jews before the Nazis killed them." She was saying that Republicans getting in trouble for bullying minorities will lead to government sanction of them being mass murdered. Which is a PR nightmare.

Most women in hollywood are cis. Who was Gina talking about when she mentioned pronouns? Was it just a general statement that people shouldn't use pronouns she doesn't agree with or was she referring to someone specific that she knew changed their pronouns and she refused to use them? There seems to be a missing piece to this story. One that might change her from victim to bully. It could be that conservatives have to hide their bullying in fear of being bullied for it. Punching someone first then complaining that you got punched back. Conservatives are anti-trans, they are known for opposing that group. They are meeting resistance for their bad ideas . Instead of changing a bad idea, it is better to claim to be treated the same as Jews prior to nazi germany.

Ya might find it off, but as someone who speaks to them openly quite often, most don't care if someone is trans or not. They don't want it pushed onto their kids until they are an adult, and expect the same civility forward and back. Yes, most "don't get it", true. But not understanding or not participating in something doesn't mean they fear it or are anti-trans.

Hell, my biological father transitioned when I was 12 and she's fiscally conservative, socially liberal, pro-weed (not a smoker though), anti-big government Trump supporter who just doesn't like how the establishment left and right are squeezing the money and life out of the working class - it's where I get most of my values.

Anywho, sorry, got off on a ramble there. Point being, it might not be a wise thing to assume the other side is always the one that punched first. All sides got shitty people in them, and ignoring it from one side only allows it to fester further :(

Most conservatives might not care if someone is trans, but they do elect people to positions of power that are anti-trans and defend anti-trans people. They themselves might not oppose trans but they do protect people that oppress them.

It is not about pushing onto kids, but realizing that people know that they are trans as soon as they are a kids and then giving them hormone blockers to hold off puberty until they reach an age where they can decide if they want to transition or not. It is easier to transition before puberty and the only drawback if they decide not to is a late puberty. We are not forcing this on every child, it is only an option that applies to a small percentage of children that realize they are trans and after they have been examined by professionals to determine that they are trans. It isn't about forcing kids to be trans, but telling them it is okay to be trans. Conservatives generally seem opposed to saying it's okay to be trans.

I can only assume conservatives are the ones that punch first because they were always the ones that punched first and no examples of the other side punching first. We had to make laws to prevent conservatives from punching the other side and they are trying to remove those laws so they can go back to punching first. So when trying to figure out who punched first between the kid who is always getting bullied and the kid who is the bully, the safe money says the bully did it.

Assuming anyone is of innocent or guilt based on anything outside of the evidence of that particular incident seems foolish at best. I've seen plenty of footage of both sides starting fights against their opposition, so whatever these laws your pointing to I would find quite questionable. Assault is assault, regardless of whatever side is starting it, and shouldn't be started by anyone outside of self defense. I am curious as to what laws you think allow any political or religious ideology to assault their opponents.

Its fascinating to see you say liberals are collectively responsible for their actions then when it comes time to hold conservatives responsible you move to the classic defense of "both sides do it" and try to treat every instance as an isolated event rather then a historical pattern of behavior. Conservatives are anti-trans, trans are not anti-conservative. One group wants to express their identity while the other group wants to erase their identity. Somehow you are convinced there is a scenario where a group of people that just wants to exist peacefully is somehow the aggressors to the group of people that want to end their existence. Having video of both sides starting fights is irrelevant in the context that one side has been oppressing the other side for decades. I'm also skeptical of the videos of the other side starting fights because you have proven to be very selective of when you think a fight starts. I can't imagine how you can try to defend both sides as being equally responsible when conservatives will go out of their way to confront trans while the opposite doesn't really happen.

As for what laws look up gay panic legal defense which pretty much allows you to kill a person if you suddenly discover they are trans. How it works if you are hitting on a woman and you discover they are actually a man and you freak out and, for whatever reason, kill them, that is legal. But it was originally designed to legally kill a gay man that hits on you. As for other legal things you can look up banning trans from the military, bathrooms, sporting events. Conservatives are also trying to revoke anti-discrimination laws that will allow people to fire trans from their jobs and bar them from school. If you look at everything it is clear that conservatives are overwhelmingly trying to punch trans first with little to no justification or provocation.

Your argument sound like "Yes, I started the war, but they started a battle. Which makes us both equally responsible for the war I started. Oh, if only they didn't fight back when we slaughtered them, I might have felt a ting of regret for my actions."

I don't think they are all collectively responsible for the actions of the individuals, but I guess if it came across that way then I'll take the blame for most likely wording it poorly. I don't get much time to get on except for a lil bit after work, and I can word things inadequately.

Hrm, I actually haven't heard of that "gay panic legal defense" before, I'll have to look into it further. To attack someone just because they are different then they show on the outside shouldn't be allowed, so there should be some president established to make such behavior illegal.

The banning from military was, least from what I heard, dependent on the hike in price requirements for those who would require additional medical treatments while in the field, which obviously could be an issue during engagements requiring additional supply lines. The bathroom issue I thought was a distraction from some event going on at the time; just make each bathroom a unisex individual stall and the problem would be solved. Which was the anti-descrimination law being proposed? The one I found was Prop 16, repealing anti-discrimination law Prop 209 (affirmative action) in Cali, legislated by Shirley Weber, D-district 79. Any level of discrimination shouldn't be tolerated, and if I can convince some of those I speak with on the right against such movements, then that should be perused. But I'll need to know the name of the bill/law/proposition to narrow down it better :)

Take it however you wish, but I didn't start any war, nor do I want any war to happen. At all. It's why I talk to those on both sides; to try to get messages across where possible. There's no joy in getting treated like shit from both sides, but I'd rather a negotiation form so society can move forward. Treating each other as enemies only allows the corrupt establishment to keep beating us all over the heads, and nobody wants that.

Saying they wanted to prevent additional cost to the military was just a lie because no one will ever say they did something simply because they hated the group. He could have just banned people who needed the medical treatment, but he banned all trans people both pre and post treatment that wouldn't have needed any additional medical cost. Trans people are less then 1% of the population I can't imagine it would have that big of an impact on military. Besides, Trump increased military spending by an additional $100 billion then he says we can't afford things. But this is pattern of behavior. You found Prop 209 but not Trump's removal of Title IX of the Education Amendments that protects trans students from discrimination?

You say you don't want any war to happen but here you are defending people who do want this war. And we are not treating each other as enemies, one side is treating the other side as enemies and that is it. Conservatives would be the corrupt establishment in this scenario because they are the only ones perpetuating this war. I'm not sure what there is to negotiation in this situation. How do you negotiation someone existence? We can move forward as a society if we can somehow convince conservatives to stop attacking minorities. It is like I just slept with your wife and then I say we need to come to come kind of compromise we can move forward with out lives. The conflict doesn't come from your refusal to share your wife, it comes from me sleeping with your wife and the resolution comes from me no longer sleeping with you wife.

That would be an assumption of one's intentions. It's not hard to find people who will publically cry they hate a group because they hate them. Nazis do it, KKK members do it, BLM does it, ACAB do it, the CCP does it; so that doesn't hold water, sorry. But no, I didn't find it; I asked you for the name of it so I could look further into it and you provided it. I'm assuming that was supposed to be a gotcha, which fair enough, but that was literally what I was asking for; so thank you :)

I don't like collectivization, no I'm not defending them entirely, I'm trying to get both sides of the story. Like I said, there's shit people on all sides, so that's not a defense of any ideology by definition.

The negotiation I mention is the left, typically the more creative side of life, is better at making things evolve with new elements and variables in anything existence. The right, typically, is more of long-term cause and effect pattern, making them better for sustainability in things. Left create + evolve, right maintain without implosion. The yin and yang of actual progress for larger groupings of organic.

There's nothing wrong in agreeing to disagree :)

A person's intentions are made obvious through their actions. They have made a pattern of targeting a minority group for discrimination, but, if they don't publicly declare that they hate that group, you have no why of determining if they do hate that group? If that is reasoning when I fear you will be taken advantage of a lot in life. It is like not knowing if a government is corrupt unless they tell you they are corrupt or believing they can't be corrupt if they tell you they are the most uncorrupt government.

We are hurting a small group of people, I want to negotiation that we should stop hurting them, why are you negotiating to keep hurting them? It seems like your reason is that since we have always hurt these people, the right needs a reason to stop hurting them. Because it seems that hurting people isn't enough reason to stop something. Is it money? If we can show that not hurting them makes money, will that be enough reason for the right to stop hurting them? If not that, then what do they want? You say you speak to both sides, then what does the right want? It seems like they are just being stubborn out of smite.

Do you know what happens if you don't evolve to change? You go extinct. The right is dragging down the advancement of the country. I'm not sure what is going to implode if you stop oppressing someone.

Agreeing to disagree seems to be the only thing we can do. We don't seem to be making any progress in our agreement not to hurt others.

I'm not trying to negotiate that we keep hurting people; I don't think that reality is working under the impression you're giving to the extent that is being given here. Both sides claim to be absolute victims, cherry pick their cases, and then blame the others for all the problems. Funnily enough, this is the mentality and behavior that Gina was talking about; the dehumanization of the others, and how it has a horrific path in history. Yet nobody believe their side can do the wrong.

I don't claim to speak for both sides, I just speak to those who I can when I can about what the other side is thinking and feeling. I've tried to convey that, yet it seems it falls upon deaf ears. Which is typical. Another reason why I'm quickly growing tired of even attempting to settle the waters in whatever limited ways I can. I told you what the ones I met want; they want to be left alone. Their tired of being targeted, attacked, doxxed, harassed, insulted, and pretty much shit on by the left in every fashion possible.

Yes. If the right doesn't evolve it stagnates into uselessness and eventual destruction. And when the left doesn't stop spiraling out of control it flings itself into all different directions like a gas giant exploding with a heavy rotation. Stagnated tradition or absolute chaos, but both working together advances societies in enough moderate paces where it's sustainable in the long run.

I'm honestly not seeing how both sides are the victim here. You haven't really demonstrated how conservatives are the victims in this. Gina was the one that was dehumanizing others then after she got in trouble for it, then claimed that she was the victim. If you go around punching people, you will get punched back. That is how life works. You can argue that punching back puts some moral responsibility on the guy that got punched first so he can't claim full innocence. But it seems like you are dodging the question of why did you punch first? Because it seems like the message you are going with is never defend yourself against a bully or you are just as bad as the bully.

I get that they want to be left alone, but in order to do that they have to leave others alone first. You can't just punch someone in the face then say you just want to be left alone after that. I think that is the part that is missing here. They don't want to face consequences for their actions. Just stop harassing people and they will be left alone. Simple. Everyone wins.

I get what you are saying, but I don't see absolute chaos coming from the left. I don't see how letting people do what they want as long as it doesn't hurt other people spirals society into destruction.

they should probably ask themselves what is more important? Taking money from and bending over backwards to appease a country which slaughters millions, and suppressed Liberty of Hundreds of Millions more, or risk losing profits to take a principled stand to condemn a Totalitarian regime.

They chose money.

Well this is disappointing to see :/
Her comments were genuinely shitty.

SHE DESERVED IT, SHE IS A GROSS PERSON. DISNEY DID RIGHT. and actually, it was lucasfilm's decision first, disney's decision second, but, of course. DISNEY IS SATAN milenial mindset must always prevail, right?

Wait... I mean I am no fan of Disney, but they were in the right here... WTF?

It should be Kathleen Kennedy's face up there instead of the mouse.

Nah, man... Disney sucks in a lot of ways, but I don't blame'em in this case.

Welp, it is funny to me how the comments here prove her point, it's down right hilarious xDD
Pretty based pic though xDD

How do people saying her firing shouldn't be a surprise prove her point? What point are you even talking about, in fact? You mean the one where she somehow thinks conservatives and liberals putting each other on blast is at all comparable to Nazi Germany's treatment of the Jews?

Also, the more I think about it, the more this pic is actually really dumb and impulsive, particularly because "The Mouse" wasn't responsible for the decision, Lucasfilm was, and I'd bet actual money Dutch will go right back to enjoying various Disney works shortly after having proclaimed "Fuck Disney", just like literally everyone who proclaims that.

You know what, you are right! That's why that actually racist Lucasfilm worker was fired on the spot over her twe- huh? What's that? Lucasfilm was defending her takes even though they were even worse than Gina's? Oh...well...

Look it's fine, think what you think, but I think you missed the point. Sure this is the most extreme of examples but the point is how you slowly make it acceptable for one kind of extreme thinking. That thing she refered to, it actually happened, my history teacher talked about it for a week to make sure we knew growing up how you do it so we'd be better prepared to notice it. While I don't see in the future, I do wonder how this will shape up in a year or two, could be a big nothing burger, could be start of things getting worse or anything else of millions of ways things can play out. Remember, Mulan thing about praising people in power breaking human rights is not something to cancel someone over but a person pointing out how people in power get to the point of being able to break set rights with no one caring is? Ok...

Dutch may but he doesn't need to pay for it, that is fine to me either way, I live and and let live. I just like how he has the nerve to give his two cents even against the mob rule. While I personally think Mandalorian isn't good, it is like nearly only semi decent things to come out of Disney Star Wars not made by the leader of Lucasfilm, no wonder they are quick to pull the trigger to take it down a notch.

>pointing out how people in power get to the point of being able to break set rights with no one caring

Where was this ever done? Again, you talking about her false equivalence where she compared Trump fans being dunked on by liberals independent of any authority to state-funded propaganda encouraging genocide?

Ummm...you did read the tweet? Right?
Maybe I'm thinking a different one from her but what I was meaning was about changing culture so it's okay to hate certain group of people, slowly by slowly turning a neighbor against neighbor. That is okay for kids to yell at them in the most hateful manner possible.

These independents (and I don't mean all to be clear) are step one in state funded propaganda. It's the people in power taking advantage of the situation. You first you create a place where one sided arguments are okay.
Like I said in the begining, that Lucasfilm woman who was absolutely racist, what was her name...Krystina Arielle I think, her throwing her opinioins around is fine even though they are bad, toxic, etc. But when Gina does something similar (though not nearly as bad in my opinion), fired. These two are on opposite sides of politics from what I know, yet one is fine, other is not. One is defended while being horrible, other is not, to me this is clear double standard. It always starts slow like this, step by step and in begining.

How is this happening, not proving her tweets point?

Because her being dumped by Lucasfilm is not proof of a state-funded scheme by the Biden administration to ease everyone into being fine with committing fucking genocide against the far right.

Funny though, America just got done with four years of an asshole president who incited hatred of other groups at every chance he got, sometimes even encouraged it and very often did nothing to stop it, but Gina seems to really like that guy. She also has no problem at all with her side doing and saying to the left what she says is happening to the right.

That wasn't even something I brought up, even back then it didn't start as state funded you...okay, clearly speaking to you is a waste of time at this point but I will say this, that this is excatly the mind set people had back in the day before things got out of hand. So what "those" people got fired, got their posessions taken and shamed, no way it gets worse than that, riiiiiiight?

Yeah, okay, this is totally the first step towards government-sanctioned genocide. Whatever you wanna hear.

yeah and you really don't get the point, jumping from 1 to 10 moving from one extreme to another without even thinking steps 2-9, whatever you want to hear.

She is the representative of a company that creates entertainment for a vast variety of people. Their bottom line is their bottom line and no one person will be allow to offended a large portion of their customer base, which again would effect their bottom line. They especially aren’t going to let it happen AFTER giving this same person a second chance from being fired previously and instead giving them a strict warning to not continue doing the very thing that almost got them fired initially. This really isn’t a, Disney was so unfair to her and fired her unwarrantedly sort of situation. She is literally the living embodiment of that “I’ll fucking do it again.” Goofy meme.

So Krystina Arielle is somehow an exception then?
She is also a representative and she literally offended a lot of the customer base with tweets that were waaaay worse...yet she was defended for it.

I'd agree with you, if this applied to everyone equally.

You don't get what I'm saying. It's not just 1 tweet and it's not just 1 chance. It's multiple tweets, where she was giving multiple chances, and she still BLEW IT.

Seems to me she valued more getting her tweets out there than the job she was being paid to do.

And you don't get what I'm saying or you are playing favorites without addressing the core issue. Krystina thing wasn't over one tweet either but she can be as horrible as she wants. Again, one person is okay to be horrible, even more horrible than another and not even be warned.

Actually, she got fired after being given a second chance from being fired previously for a separate topic of tweets, but the producer and co- stars convinced them to give her a second chance , so they did with a warning and her reaction was basically “I’ll ducking do it again, watch me.” And did. She kinda earned that pink slip.

Horrible woman publicly puts out horrible things - and gets fired for it. I see no problem at all.

Ta-ta Gina! Don't let the aierlock door hit your arse on the way out!

What did she say that was so horrible?

In the span of a few months, she

- belittled people who specify their pronouns, particularly trans people
- revealed herself to be an anti-masker, making tweets ridiculing people following COVID prevention guidelines
- parroted QAnon bullshit about the election
- seriously compared being a Trump supporter to being a Jew during the Holocaust

All this among some other things. Lucasfilm warned her more than once to stop being a PR nightmare waiting to happen, she didn't, so they decided it'd be best to drop her and not consider her for future projects.

She really belittled the trans? What she say?

She was being pressed to put pronouns in her twitter bio. So she used the opportunity to make fun of the pronoun Nazis going after her

Ohhhhhh...hohoho.

I see know

The morality of what she did isn't anything to really care about IMO. As far as she knows, she's being truthful and honest. Besides, a lot of people follow QAnon. Most of the people in my state are like that whether it's explicit or not. You can occasionally hear people talking about their stuff just walking around in a grocery store (like I did, yesterday, when Trump was acquitted). This isn't to say the lie isn't awful, but rather that the lie is normal.

Gina is a very normal person. Mentally, she's no different from the people I know and work with personally. That's made me not care - because it's normal to believe that the election was stolen by the deep state, and it's normal to believe that they've "lost the country". And the conclusions people draw from that in their minds and the actions that follow do not surprise me, nor should it surprise anyone else. People are freaked out about the capitol, and they should be, but they should also expect worse. Because you'd wish for worse if you believed any of that, and right now that's a hundred million people that want to overthrow the government.

No. Gina's mistake was not caring enough about her job to use a pseudonym, perhaps thinking she was untouchable. She lost her game of "chicken" with Disney and now plays the victim to great effect. Imagine being a high-level officer in a company while also posting furry art under your real name. You just wouldn't do it.

Too bad we don't have better labor laws, perhaps something to keep people from being fired so easily... Oh well.

It is not normal to believe in conspiracy theories.

It is not normal to think that a 'deep state' (aka Jews) controls the world.

It's not good. In fact, it's awful. Do not confuse good with normal.

edit: About a third of the country believes what you wrote. When you learn expect the worst this stuff doesn't bother you.

It should still bother you. It should be frightening. It should be terrifying. It means that should that 1/3 of the country get the leadership that they want, I will be sent to the gas chambers.

You're not alone in thinking that. Look at NachT's comments. There's the other side, thinking liberals will side with the Disney Corpo State in the coming purge. Maybe it's lunacy... mass hysteria. Then again, if anyone has proven their willingness to try acquiring power by other means, it's the Right. Of course, they'd say the Left was doing it all along with their "illegal voting". How else could they break the law and think it's for great justice?

Those guys chanting "TREASON" while storming the capitol weren't being ironic. They think they're the hero. There's no greater form of villain, no greater challenge than fighting an opponent that believes theirs is the side of justice.

My expectation is less 1940s Germany. More like, we are seeing the seeds planted for generations of sectarian conflict.

It figures. We've made politics our religion. This is the result.

But my answer isn't apathy... but just maybe step back a bit. Detach. Don't give in to the rage click machine. Don't freak out.

The next time that a Democrat wins the White House, the angry mob will return to storm the Capitol. they will be armed. This mob was given the seal of approval by the GOP Senators. They had already been given funding by GOP attorneys general and the Trump campaign. They'd already been given direct support by GOP Congressmen.

They will meet a second mob of people who will stand in their way (Democratic supporters). The QAnnon/Nazis/Confederates will beat and shoot the second group.

They will have the civil war that they wanted. The only way to prevent this war would be to give them a large chunk of territory to found their Fourth Reich on. If there is to be fighting, they must not be given the gentle treatment that was given to the Confederacy. If they were to field an army, then every member of that army must be killed.

It absolutely will happen again, but even a total success would result in a kind of total failure.

In this case for instance, dead congressmen in that joint session of congress would have meant a successful conviction of Trump, along with criminal trials for the other officials involved, elected or otherwise. I don't know the official process for lost congressmen, but I imagine there would be nation-wide snap elections to fill seats. The electorate would be very angry with the violent mob and they will vote like it. Right now certain people are dismissing it as a "tour" because so few people died. They wouldn't get away with that reasoning if there were hostage taking and lynchings as planned. Those that talk a big talk and fantasize about this moment would be gut-checked and ultimately shunned.

A total success would have resulted in a Pyrrhic victory in the purest sense of the word.

That's not to say that I wish it, just that this is how violence always plays out in a free society. It always works against the violent. That can change though. We can become less free. It can, "happen here". That's why we can't be apathetic. Just don't freak out about it.

Mate, you had 4 years of Trump, and in all that time neither you nor anyone else was ‘sent to the gas chambers”. Chill.

It isn't normal

And people like her who try to leverage their fame to perpetuate lies and do harm deserve to be called out on it.

In some areas of the US, they are the standard. Best learn to accept it.

Call it what it is, sure, but when you advocate for the firing of the most successful of them, the rest back them up and you just confirm their beliefs that you're out to get them.

We are out to get them.
When they spread conspiracy theories and hate speech in public, we DO want them fired.
We want there to be consequences for toxic, destructive lies.

Perhaps I’m lacking sufficient empathy...sorry. I just think of this from a point of view that deals with it because I have to. Yes, that is my fault. Had I pursued a career in art or software I’d be around a nicer bunch. Maybe I’d be more courageous... but I still don’t think this tact is wise. It seems to just add fuel to the fire.

XD

All she did was retweet something that was true, right? This PC crap is going too far!

What she did was a series of hot-takes belittling trans people, Covid preparedness, and people that voted against Trump. And then to cap it all when she received the completely predictable pushback for that on social media she compared her plight with that of the Jews in Nazi Germany.

Not exactly. She was also on her second warning where he producer and co star went to bat for her from being fired much sooner than that and she flushed their good will down the toilet anyway.

Soooo, I have no idea what this is about. Anyone care to fill me in.

Long story short, Gina Carano, who played Cara Dune in The Mandalorian, has spent months making really terrible, inflammatory, ignorant tweets on a variety of subjects (including belittling trans people for specifying their preferred pronouns, making fun of people who actually follow COVID-19 prevention guidelines, and spouting QAnon conspiracy BS about the election), Lucasfilm finally decided to cut ties with her once it hit last straw territory when she decided to compare conservatives being dunked on to Nazi Germany's treatment of the Jews, conservatives are losing their shit, and a right-wing hashtag campaign started encouraging everyone to cancel their Disney+ subscriptions over it.

Oh, well then that makes more sense of this.
Thank you.

From my understanding of this situation, she said Twitter users are like Nazis.
She's right.

Now Disney's losing money for firing her for saying that.
Good.

Yeah, I'm sure they're gonna take such a huge financial blow.

Also, no, she isn't right, because what she did was somehow think she can compare decentralized Americans hating each other over political differences to the fascist government of 1930s Germany using propaganda to condition people into hating the Jews.

Big enough for them to notice because people that whine on Twitter never financially support anything they claim to care about. For example, western comics.

Have you actually seen the kind of awful things Twitter users approve of? They condone racist propaganda while pretending to be against that over said political differences among other things and adopt fascist approaches themselves while pretending to also be against that. They're really not much different in their approach.

So, yeah. She's right to compare because they act exactly the same.

If the reference made was to associate 'neighbors hating neighbors for their differences', then it's accurate as you have people on the left and right fighting each other over their differences. Go to Portland, OR in a MAGA hat and tell me you don't feel hatred.

She might have some shit takes, but the reference made there is spot on, like it or not.

You just might not like it cause you're not on the side being milk-shaked, quick-drying cemented, moltov cocktailed, or beaten with bike locks.

No, I don't like it because it's a shit comparison to make and kinda diminishes what the Jews went through.

It didn't start off with train cars and gas chambers. It started off with one side demonizing, dehumanizing, shaming and shunning a grouping of people they thought were less then them. Call them deplorable if you must, and her point makes a bit more sense.

The road to tyranny and devastation is thousands of steps, and she's pointing to one on the first few dozen that lead to the end result.

Cool. She's still wrong, and being dunked on for being a Trump fan is nowhere close to the same thing as what the Jews went through. Stop trying to convince me that petty political bullshit can be accurately compared to the Holocaust, you will not succeed.

It /starts/ at one, and /can/ end at another. You're keep referring to the end result when the point is closer to the beginning; where the acceptance and psychological salience to the behavior of dehumanizing foments. Being aware of that as a possibility helps avoid it. "Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it." You're asking to forget a =part= of that past as it being an over-exaggeration. Then we take another step on that journey towards devastation.

Hopefully it never gets any further then it already has and you'd be correct. That would be the best case scenario. Something humanity is not known for achieving.

Or maybe I'm just objectively right full-stop and comparing being a Trump supporter to being a Jew during the Holocaust is hyperbolic and stupid at best.

Maybe you are, maybe you aren't. Time will tell.

I'm sure there was hundreds of thousands of people in 1930's Germany saying the same thing. 'It'll never get worse'. 'They just are exporting them out'. 'It's just words'.

Step. By. Step. It goes from being hyperbolic to being mass graves after enough steps are taken. But again, that's assuming we're talking bout the same phase in history, which I don't think we are; be it by communication error, not understanding history or human behaviors, or just tribalisic partisanship.

Hopefully your right and it's just some dumb twitter post. *shrug*

Yeah, I am. Because I guarantee you, political venom-spewing is not a one-sided thing, nor is the concept of assaulting people who don't share your views, and no one, fucking NO ONE in the government is plotting a big propaganda campaign to condition Americans into wanting right-wing voters rounded up and executed in camps.

That's not a guarantee you can make. Especially after it's already been done.

Feel free to look up the "Truth and Reconciliation commission" advocacy by Secretary Robert Reich.
Jennifer Rubin admitted to already making lists of supporters and to hold accountability.

Now about the severity of these claims, I don't know. Nor do I know the probability of them being fully made. But, again, these are the steps taken on that path to tyranny I talked about earlier. These things happened in the past. They don't all reach end-game markers, but it's something to be wary of.

And if you haven't heard people on the left talking about camps for those they politically disagree with, then either the algorithm has been protecting you from quite a bit of horrible views into human indecency, or your blocking/avoiding enough people that the farther ties of the conversations aren't reaching you; they are unfortunately being called for and have been for years. I would assume that most are just screaming in to the wind with no motivation to actually go forth with it, but ya never know who is unhinged enough to actually act.

Yeah, cool, and I've heard the exact same shit and worse from lunatics the right, does that mean we have proof that Trump orchestrated a campaign to make Americans think it's okay to round up and exterminate all the liberals and minorities?

Are these people in government offices, talking about rounding up Liberals or Democrats, making lists and destroying their livelihoods?

Neither are good, nor should they be accepted. I'm also not saying heads of offices should be responsible for what people not-affiliated with them do. I'm just saying when government officials are advocating for making lists of people they disagree with, it has never, ever, in the history of humanity, ever resulted in anything good. More steps on the path.

what ‘minorities and liberals” were ‘rounded up and exterminated”? What speech or tweet or sodding Smoke Signals did Trump say to advocate such?

They dinae exist.
All this bollocks about ‘Trump wants to exterminate minorities and lgbtabc123 people!” Is Twitter nonsense and media hyperbole to sell subscriptions…

>what ‘minorities and liberals” were ‘rounded up and exterminated”?

I didn't say that, nor did I say Trump wanted or ordered it, try actually READING what I said and what it was in response to instead of the ol' skim-and-react technique. Of course, you making fun of an entire group by calling them "lgbtabc123" kinda tells me everything I need to know about how you prefer to debate, so...

My fault for not being more clear. I’m trying to point out the difference in rhetoric. You are seemingly comparing the actively hostile Institutions against the (centre and) Right, to individual right wing people spewing bollocks on Twitter. (Which will no doubt be promptly deleted)
EVERYWHERE the media and politicians openly call vast swathes of people ‘Nazis”, ‘white supremacists”, ‘dangerous extremists” and ‘rounding up and killing lgbtetc folk” ad nauseum, to the point of ruling up millions of people into a frenzy of violence and destruction.

You can say ‘I’ve heard violent rhetoric” from some right wing loonies all day, but at the end of the day only One side of the political isle has majority Corporate support, support from financial institutions, corporate media support, control over Social Media, and major Political Support….

These institutions are Actively bringing their might to bear against the Right, the centre, hell anyone who actively speaks out against violence and censorship, and painting them as the worst of humanity, while being called ‘authoritative sources” or ‘credentialed experts”…

>EVERYWHERE the media and politicians openly call vast swathes of people ‘Nazis”, ‘white supremacists”, ‘dangerous extremists”

Maybe that's cause a lot of them are?

What else are you supposed to call people who openly wave swastika flags around, scream things like "Jews will not replace us", assault Asians and Muslims on sight (verbally and physically) for any number of reasons, want all the foreigners and especially the Mexicans gone under the pretense that "America belongs to Americans", literally preach about white superiority, etc.? Or the people who took part in the Capitol siege. killed six people, aimed to do terrible things to government officials in order to forcibly overturn the election results and still thought they were just peacefully protesting, they not seem rather dangerous or at all like extremists?

If it helps any, maybe you should also catch up on what's been going on over here in Canada lately, see how these right-wing anti-mask manbaby truckers have been acting, hear what their misplaced redneck ringleader thinks of Jews, Asians, gays or basically anyone who's not a cishet white Christian male, check out all the Nazi and Confederate shit they're proudly displaying on their little "freedom convoy" as they threaten to shoot up Parliament, block trade routes, take room and food meant for the homeless, deface a monument dedicated to a man who gave his life for science, literally DANCE and SHIT on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, etc., and still believe themselves to be real Canadian heroes.

Good grief there is far too much Media fueled bollocks to refute in that one post I’m not going to bother trying, or we’ll be here all season.

So I’ll summarize with maybe you should pay more attention to the sources of these stories you are reading, rather than just skim a headline and think ‘My God, must have been Nazis who dunnit!”… (For example, there’s only one group I’ve known to desecrate War Monuments, and it ISN’T the Right…)
Look into it, Or not.. Dinae really matter to me. I just dinae look out me window and see ‘Nazis” hiding in the shrubs..
Regardless, I’ve wasted enough time arguing over petty nonsense that the Corporate media and Left blows up into world ending catastrophe…

I don't fucking care what you "dinae" seen, there was not a fucking word of bullshit in anything I just said, and if you can think of another word for people who act like that and display those symbols, BE MY GUEST. Oh wait, you won't do that, cause you'd prefer to just cover your ears, close your eyes and pretend America hasn't had a vocal minority of extremely awful people for years.

Y'know what? Getting back on topic, here's the bottom line:

1. This thread was a year dead.

2. Gina Carano was not handed some horrible injustice by the "House of Mouse", Lucasfilm exercized their right to fire her when she, after MULTIPLE warnings, repeatedly did shit that broke the terms of her contract, topped off by going on Twitter and comparing right-wing voters to the goddamn victims of the Holocaust.

PS. Don't you fucking dare try to tell me I don't know what's happening in my own country, my own PROVINCE, because guess what, enough people have SEEN this shit happening to know that it's not "media-fuelled bollocks". Neither is, say, Asians being beat the fuck up by right-wing shitballs who seem to think every Asian is the cause of COVID-19, or that Muslim family mowed down by a white dude in body armor last summer, or anything else you'd like to pretend "dinae happen".

Oh yeah, and as a bonus? Those truckers outright proudly admitted to desecrating the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, and think because they cleaned up their own shit afterwards, they're the good guys.

But by all means, let's hear the excuses in their favour roll in, let's hear how it was all DA EBUL LEFTIES that did it and decided to frame those good and innocent truckers. While you're at it, you can tell us all what fine people the mob of tiki torch-wielding men marching around chanting "Jews will not replace us!" and waving the aforementioned flags around in Virginia a few years back were. And a host of other shit.

I highly doubt Disney is losing more money without a bit character than they would have retaining her.

I think he's referring to the actually small handful of people cancelling their Disney+ subscriptions over this. Netflix lost more subs over Cuties than Disney is losing for firing Gina, they even got taken to court over the film's content, and last I checked, Netflix is still thriving, so it's hilarious that they think this little campaign of theirs will cripple the biggest, most powerful megacorporation in America.

I'd sooner give more respect to people telling a megacorporation to shove it than them bending the knee to it.

Then work for yourself and not a "megacorporation" the you can say whatever you want, whenever you want, and worry about your financial security on your own. Just sayin'.

Replying to my own post cause the guy above blocked me, but I know he'll probably end up seeing this at some point anyway.

Hey Doktor, uh, cool fact: You can think Disney (or, more correctly in this case, Lucasfilm) had every right to do what they did and believe that Gina shouldn't be exempt from consequences for her behaviour that she was warned to stop but kept on with...AND not be "bending the knee" to Disney.

Yeah, they'll be back for that Mando fix when the next season or Boba Fett starts. They always come back.

Just like whenever people swear off FurAffinity, come to think of it. :V

Well, you could say a new precedent has been set because almost immediately after she was fired, Ben Shapiro hired her to star in a new film, as if to say that every time they fire someone on the basis of being an outspoken conservative, he'll be there to offer them a new job, working for a film studio that Daily Wire has an existing deal with.

It wasn't "on the basis of being an outspoken conservative". They did not choose to no longer associate with her because she's a conservative.

But go off I guess.

I'm disappointed in you, Dutch.

Who is this lady? and what did she do?

Gina Carano, the actress who played Cara Dune in The Mandalorian and Angel Dust in the first Deadpool movie. She tweeted shit takes, Lucasfilm decided they didn't want to give her a platform to do it on anymore and cut ties with her, and now conservatives are big mad.

Oh dang, that's nuts

Actually she called for peace.
Other employees have called people Nazis and used WW2 holocaust references.
but she has been labeled "Right" or "Conservative." So she is fired.
https://youtu.be/wiT6wpTrdwI?t=6

Censors are evil.

Dang...

Dang indeed!😳

I mean, they did warn her previously and gave he a prior second chance.

Hell, they certainly gave her more chances than they initially gave James Gunn. And it'd be one thing if they canned her at the first sign of trouble, but nah, she kept going, and eventually Lucasfilm decided enough was enough.

and you are correct, while Disney owns them, it was literally Lucasfilm's decision.

Far too many people seem to think that when Disney acquires a company, they completely absorb it until there's nothing left like some kind of RPG slime monster. You'd think they'd have learned after seeing Marvel basically keep doing whatever they please for the most part and noting the continued existence of Pixar, but nope, it's just so much easier to have one single scheming corporate villain to be upset at.

Hello there!

I don't like Disney, but she played stupid games, and got a stupid prize.

Fuck them both.

lmao

If people are unaware she was fired after comparing being a GOP supporter to a jew during the holocaust. (Aka people who where tortured and murdered on mass and shoved into gas chambers)

It didn't start with the gas chambers....

it still happened

Yes and degradation is how it started!

Yeah, no. I hate a LOT about what Disney does but in this instance, she more than had it coming. Victim card expired.

Seeing this first thing in the morning kind of made me laugh. Nice work, Dutch.

God Bless Disney: Cause no one else will!

So many people unaware of the past, outraged about an assessment of historically accurate events.

I wonder how many of them have also suggested reeducation camps, gulags, guillotines, or watch lists for those they disagree with.

Same concept. Tyranny never jumps into position. It slinks it's way in with kind words and good hearted goals, stripping the rights away under the guise of 'safety' and 'protection'. Then they point to a group of people they find undesirable, place the blame, and rally for rounding the problem up.

It's happened on the left and the right. Nearly every major power has done this in the past, and it's showing similar signs currently. Don't be fooled into thinking just because it hasn't happened to you, that it isn't happening. Each side thinks the other is the one wearing the arm bands, yet we pretend it's not happening at all.

Strange the age of easily obtained information could be the age of ignorance.

I guess you have me a bit confused.

You seem to be defending someone who's on the far right here.

Yet you regularly do business with people who are on the far left as well (a certain native mouse comes to mind).

Many people do business and have friends from different political and social belief structures, it's not that odd. It's a level of diversity many take pride in having.

It is odd when one of those belief structures is intent on killing you.

Then don't do business with those that take it to far. I work with all spectrums of people, but if someone is unhinged enough to want people dead? Yeah, then I skip them out.

Collectivization isn't healthy for anyone, especially for society. Pick and choose individuals based on their individual behaviors :)

"Socialism" (in the American conception of the word) might have saved her job. It would have made her harder to fire. What's happening now is the inevitable consequence of all those years of deregulation since the New Deal. The government has stood back, and in its place the corporation has taken over.

And all those liberals chanting "free market" now that you're upset? Yeah... they're kinda trolling you.

Possibly. Might be more or less depend on if the state was happy with what she was saying instead of CEOs and such. A Union of sort might have helped too, perhaps. But yeah, government has been allowing businesses to get to invasive, though an invasive government isn't much better.

Power fills a vacuum.

Unfortunately true :(

Well I hate disney for a lot of reasons, especially since I don't like their version of Star Wars content though that's a personal preference. But after reading what Gina tweeted I don't like her either. Then again I never watched The Mandalorian so... Yeah I'm just going to say fuck both Disney and Gina and move on...

Then again not much to move on to anymore.

Maybe it'd help if people just stopped saying "fuck this, fuck that, so-and-so can go to hell" anytime someone does or says something even slightly wrong. They'd find there's a lot more to enjoy all of a sudden.

The best part is I just KNOW plenty of the people on this site who say "Fuck Disney" will turn around and go back to drawing porn of Disney furries, just like the ones on Twitter who say "Fuck Disney" and then get all hype for the next Marvel movie or something.

Right, no one's allowed to hate anything anymore? got it. so I can't say I hate everything that happened in 2020 because the lockdowns and covid took away every reason I had to live and only my sense of duty to my job gets me out of bed anymore?

I stopped buying Disney related property over a year ago but I can still like art drawn of them as long as I don't put money into their pockets. I can hate the company but not hate the characters, just like how a fanfic I love is written by a homophobic, transphobic asshole I just refuse to compensate them for their work.

now go ahead and tell me how I'm a horrible person, maybe that will be the push I need to finally end it so I can stop hurting everything around me...

I just made myself depressed writing this... I need to go to work now... for Wal-Mart so feel free to call me evil for working for Wal-Mart for the last 10 years to pay rent...

I literally never said no one's allowed to hate anything, or that you're a horrible person, nor did I hint anywhere that I'm the type of person who thinks Walmart is evil. I never even singled you out anywhere in that reply. I expressed how tired I am of all the excessive amounts of hate these days.

Yeah well, it's not going away. Just like this pandemic is never going away hatred is going to spread and I'm just going to sit here, dead inside as I muddle along, no longer able to write just playing stupid video games when I'm not at work while my sewer backs up into my bathtub

Just tell me something. Why you trying to argue with everyone on this comment section? Are you just lashing out at people because you need an outlet? Why did you respond to me in a very confrontational way when I wasn't showing support for either side? You seem to be dedicated to responding to everyone here. Why? Are you just being confrontational for its own sake? I'm genuinely confused here

1. I haven't been "dedicated to responding to everyone here".

2. I haven't touched this in days.

3. I didn't respond to you in a confrontational way, I didn't even say anything about you personally, I made a statement about what people in general do now that's tiring as hell.

4. Yeah, heaven forbid I involve myself in debate, provide actual information, etc. instead of keeping my mouth shut and my feelings on the situation bottled up. I must only be commenting because I want to be an asshole for fun, just "lashing out" because I have no outlets for my constant frustration I totally feel.

Find it funny that Twitter got mad at Cara for making absurd analogies related to Nazis when Twitter has been doing that for almost a decade now. Double standards

pops some popcorn, sits back, and just enjoys all the hate and self righteousness getting thrown around

This is great! Oh if I could only give you all guns and knives and really get things interesting!! LOL!!

"You'll never work in this town (Burbank), again!"

Damn, dude, you started some fires with this one! The flame mail should keep you warm all winter!

Should I be ashamed? I draw everything in Disney style...

No, don't be.

... Is my childhood being ruined?

No. Only if you allow it to be.

I just clicked some of the tags, and I am oddly dissapointed that out of the entire time FA has existed, there are only TWO in the "FuckyouDisney" category... Spying on furry employees and firing them if they go to a con, mistreating park employees (especially if they are furs), Citing furs as the main reason there has never been a Robin Hood sequel, buying Marvel, buying Star Wars... The list goes on and on... How the hell are there only 2 entries to this tag?!

Gonna need citations on those first two things (particularly the claim that park employees are mistreated if it's somehow found out they're furries), that third one simply isn't true (and in fact EMBRACING furries played a big part of Zootopia's creation and success), and those last two things are not bad by any stretch of the imagination, one of them even getting us a decade-long string of amazing movies and shows that made superhero films cool again.

Sorry, I only have word of mouth from furs I met at cons 20 years ago. I was warned not to take photos or vids in some private events at the cons because Disney employees would be inside and anyone doing so could be a PI working for the mouse. I've been told at several cons that several furs known to constaff had been fired for showing up. Its been a while since I last watched Sunday Pawpet live streams and they had talked about why they hate the mouse and their experiences when they worked for Disney World.
Things may have changed after 20 years, especially with Zootopia being the mouse's first billion dollar opening weekend ever... I've been out of the loop with many OG furs and conventions for a while.

Decades-old word of mouth isn't exactly a good source. And let's be real, furries have been working within Disney since before there was a name for them. In fact, numerous artists and animators for the company were never all that shy about drawing less-than-wholesome images of anthro characters in the same recognizable artstyles they used at work. Disney in fact works as one of the perfect pieces of evidence that no, professional studios don't give a shit what you draw on your own time or what weird stuff you're into in private, as long as it's not harming anyone.

A Boss Battle where nobody's a good guy. Gina Carano can go suck a lemon, she's a terf and an antisemite.

To be fair, she never actually said anything antisemitic. She just made one of the absolute most tone-deaf choices of comparison she could possibly make.

They both suck.

I’d have sympathy for Gina if this was the first time. But she broke the terms of her contract repeatedly and this is the result.

Meanwhile, everything they’re saying about Disney is 200% correct. It’s an evil corporation that benefited from ignoring all the evils of China in order to do business there. That’s what corporations do. They don’t have morals. They have money.

So the responsibility either way weighs on Gina Carano. She chose to work for those people, but rather than following their rules she did what she wanted and thought that they’d keep giving her chances. That was a miscalculation. Too bad.

Disney is a frequently and generally very shitty company, but this was a good call - both ethically and (the real reason they did it) financially.

Equating being targeted with violence for their religion/ethnicity as a prelude to mass murder and genocide, to being denounced for one's espoused values and actions and wanting to hold some of the many of those on that side of the political spectrum who acted in support of it's values and power - espousing hate, undermining democracy, etc - accountable through legal non-violent means?

Persecution complex much?

Maybe, just... stop being shitty and intolerant of people, and don't mistake not tolerating intolerance for actual oppression?

Complaints about "Cancel Culture" are also overblown nonsense. It's primarily just boycotting/threat-of-boycotting/threat-of-lost-business and has been around forever, you know, part of having a free market responsive to consumers in an open society. Before "cancel culture" there was the conservative "Get Woke, Go Broke" - go back a few more decades and it's gays being "cancelled" for coming out of the closet, etc. The only thing that's changed is that the values of american consumers, especially the younger generations, have shifted to be more progressive and that racism, discrimination, and intolerance have become less acceptable instead of the norm, so companies are responding accordingly. Major corporations follow the money, they tend not to care about ethics unless they affect their bottom line.

The actual impact is also cartoonishly exaggerated - she already has a new job, and this is typical, especially when things are so polarized you can easily leverage the publicity to your benefit - but it plays into conservative media's fear-mongering persecution complex, so they play it up. Hatehatehate, fearfearfear, the enemy must always be overwhelmingly powerful yet weak and pathetic, etc., etc.

And no, I'm no democrat supporter. They're a bunch of center-right corporate clowns for the most part.

You are using too much common sense here.

I wouldn't even call "Get Woke, Go Broke" a conservative thing, for the record, I've seen all kinds of people use it and have even used it myself. Because you don't have to be conservative to dislike the kind of media and practices that got people saying that.

Absolutely this, and kudos for being about the only one here who gets what's going on. The thing that people consistently overlook is the fact that the company that fired Carano is completely and utterly irrelevant to the story. Forget this was Disney. Say it was Warner Brothers. Say it was Sony. Say it was Universal. Or Miramax. Or Fox. Pick one - any one. IT DOESN'T FREAKIN' MATTER!!! When you're an entertainer and work in the entertainment industry, you're the face of the company you do projects for whether you want the title or not. That's a fact of life. You can either be mindful of it and use your voice for good, or you can be a bigoted moron like Carano and use it for bad. Either way, you face the consequences of your actions and words when you're out there for all to see.

Which is where this idiotic notion of "cancel culture" comes into it. Cancel culture is absolutely nothing more than being held to account for being a hurtful or hateful dick. Nothing more, nothing less. End stop.

TD, if you (or Dutch or anyone else, for that matter) is interested, here is one the finest treatises on the idiocy of the notion of "cancel culture" as it pertains to this whole Gina Carano business that I've yet read. The past four years was a period where being a bully and displaying A-holeish behavior with impunity was celebrated and encouraged, by a racist authoritarian POTUS who personified it. But marginalized groups were the ones who paid the price for it - and continue to pay for it now. The time for accountability restarts now.

[url]https://johnpavlovitz.com/2021/02/1.....FDDhxH8I[\url]

Calling to a end to violence is..."accountability."
Being racists towards White people and calling others Nazis is "ok!"

Narcists can't stand a debate.

No one called white people racist. Their own actions and words did it for them. They told on themselves, just as you for yourself just now in your defense of them. So, bye!

So it's ok for some Disney employees to encourage racism and call people Nazis but if someone calls for peace then she gets fired.

Really sickening seeing people being this twisted.

 peterabnny look towards the writer in Star Wars 'High Republic!"

Hysterical how he blocks to win a debate!

So many people here are just so trusting towards mega companies and government!

Lol, when we were kids we were taught not to trust powers now the kids want to be censorious douche-bags!

You got blocked by that loser? Typical

Well it’s typical from Leftists to accuse, censor, claim victim hood!

It gets tiring but what is there to expect from people who don’t have standards?

oh trust me, I know how that feels

All I can think of after reading all this is "imagine siding with disney over anti-semitism."

That's one hell of a oxymoron.

Imagine still believing the lie that Walt Disney hated Jews in 2021. Or believing that a company presently run by Jews hates Jews.

More of that it's a big corporation that doesn't give a shit about anyone, hence why they'll drop anyone to make a quick buck.
But go ahead and stay on your high horse, i'm sure there's a lot of room up there :)

How unreasonable, expecting there to be consequences for displaying toxic behaviour and spreading destructive lies while representing a company's work.

It wasn't even Disney's choice, it was Lucasfilm's, and they did it after warning her more than once to stop over the course of several months. I have to wonder, if Lucasfilm wasn't Disney-owned, how different would the reaction to this whole thing be?

Well you seem intent on dodging the original argument so i'm afraid it's most likely going to end here.

You have fun sucking off a multi-billion dollar company that couldn't care less about you or me.

You don't have to be "sucking off" a company to feel that their actions were justified.

It is unfortunate that expression of views and controversial ideas has suddenly become taboo amongst a community whose very existence has been rife with controversy and misunderstanding. Never thought I’d see the day where an Art Community would be calling for Censorship of views and opinions and even Art..
I’ve seen so many people harassed and chased out of this Fandom, it is outright disheartening.. But all the more reason I think I should start speaking out more against the Toxic and Intollerant people spreading division and Hate in our Fandom. Make Furries Fun Again ^.-.^

Well Dutch, thanks for taking one for the team and flushing out all the woke bigots. My blocklist doubled in size when you posted this and my mental health is frankly better for it. Fuck the House of Mouse, that is all.

This reminded me of this: https://youtu.be/JYs3baDRapk?t=205
and this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQg7q02lOuo

Dinae be discouraged by hate and bile in the comments. Art is an expression of ideas and should never be discouraged.
Splendid art by the way, very well done. ^.-.^