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Yeah just try not to overthink it friend, from modern human societies to local drek tribes seems pretty straightforward to me! I mean I dunno I don't have to think about it though.
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It’s hardly a smooth transition and honestly I kinda gloss over a lot of the angst existential talking points about it, especially when I jump decades after the awakening.
I also believe that no matter what people are best at living life day to day. Just focus on survival and keep moving forward. A lot of the confusion and madness of the situation is definitely what leads to the very bizarre religions and superstitions of most cultures in the dragonscape or sure. Even in the madness people don’t just curl into balls, they keep chugging along
I also believe that no matter what people are best at living life day to day. Just focus on survival and keep moving forward. A lot of the confusion and madness of the situation is definitely what leads to the very bizarre religions and superstitions of most cultures in the dragonscape or sure. Even in the madness people don’t just curl into balls, they keep chugging along
Is agriculture not viable?
maybe they are perfectly fine with their new lifestyle, but it would be far from impossible to grow that tribe into a village, a town, or maybe even a proper city. Maybe not something like New(er) York, but I bet you could do an Uruk, with enough time and growth, that is.
maybe they are perfectly fine with their new lifestyle, but it would be far from impossible to grow that tribe into a village, a town, or maybe even a proper city. Maybe not something like New(er) York, but I bet you could do an Uruk, with enough time and growth, that is.
Agriculture is viable at least on paper!
There are some major issues with drekir societies and agriculture, it's not impossible and they do make it work eventually but there are a lot of barriers. The short answer is that it really depends on who and where you are talking about, some cultures can do it, some cant.
1) Many crops we used to have are extinct or severely mutated. Crops like Cucumbers, Raddishes, Broccoli (and the many other crops that come from the same plant) and wheat just don't exist anymore. Many other crops have mutated extremely such as Onions becoming the Ohndemic Girda which has entirely different requirements to grow that need to be learned, and of the crops that are less ohndemically warped they have often gone feral or no longer grow in the region for reasons I'll get to next.
2) Many regions of the Americas are only agriculturally viable thanks to modern infrastructure, Desert and Xeric regions, plains and steppes, and heavily tropical areas all have different problems that really need industrial scaled infrastructure and tech and organization to combat. From irrigation in the Owyhee to clearing dense old growth rainforest to fertilizing the same land over and over on a more sustainable scale. So a lot of regions and biomes and climates just can't realistically support large scale agriculture with out industrial infrastructure.
3) Drekir diets are naturally very meat heavy, there are a lot of staples that humans know that drekir can't safely eat. For example any sort of complex grain isn't digestible for a drek which removes Rice, Oats, Wheat, Barley, and Corn. Trying to eat those can cause serious digestive problems for a drek.
Generally drekir agriculture in this early period and the scale of that agriculture really depends on where you're looking. Most of the Pacific Northwest of North America for example can't do large scale agriculture because of the old growth forests around them, they lack the technology or manpower to substantially clear the forest to make larger crop fields. But the climate is good enough to grow small gardens in their villages, things like Lowberries, Tantail, and spices like Girda, in addition to Sivilão crops like the Romãtor. Though the scale is small.
If you travel a few hundred miles to The Great Plains of Wyoming the problem becomes the opposite, you have tons of open lands and the soil is plenty fertile, but water is now a huge problem, you're incredibly reliant on rain patterns to be favorable and the cultures there like the Dakoner and the Stormchasers find it easier to herd Wyrms through the plains in a pastoral lifestyle.
An Example of larger agriculture would be the City State of New Dallas, known as "The Cydonians" and they mostly feed their small city state with a massive farming system of Juklir (what became of chickens). They even grow Crops like Neotropical Yucca, Potatoes, Various Ohndemic Mushrooms and Aldinir fruits. But they are in a very ideal situation with a very workable climate and area for agriculture.
As a few other considerations that are important to note
1) We're still very early on into the timeline and drekir are still trying to figure out the world. Not everyone that made it to say, 50 years post awakening were experienced farmers prepulse, and a lot of the techniques of the prepulse just don't work in the post awakening world. They also need time to organize their societies and grow their populations to the point in which they could justify the heavy field work needed for agriculture.
2) It has been 100 years of neglect and magical ruin, a lot of crops in the world that we grow today are heavily reliant on humans to grow them, some can't even reproduce without people. Most of the crops that existed in the late october of 2020 have been dead and rotted away for decades by the time the drekir wake up. Additionally a lot of farmland has been grown over with thick forests in the time since the pulse that makes it hard to just reclaim them.
3) There are many cultures that just simply lost the societal knowledge to do agriculture effectively and there are even cultures that actively chose to regress such as the Packsworn and the Followers of Lebowitz that view the old world as a mistake and believe it is there place to live as simple a life as possible.
But as a TLDR here since I am rambling a bit:
1) It really depends on where you are, regions where we have farms now may not be farmable without modern technology. The vast fields of Idahoan farmland may not be practically farmable outside of the Snake River in the dragonscape and the dense jungle of NW Brazil just won't be clearable for traditional agriculture.
2) Many of the staple crops and farm crops that we are familiar with now may not exist in the dragonscape, or if they do they may not be edible. Importantly a lot of the critical staple crops that humans eat just aren't digestible by the drekir and those staple crops really are what allows us to live in such massive societies. So drekir will need time to find a replacement staple food source before they can form larger societies consistently.
3) A lot of people died, over 90%, and a lot of societal knowledge and technological capabilities have heavily regressed as a result. I am sure that most people could figure out say, small scale gardening, but larger scaled agriculture may not be feasible for most tribes thanks to their tiny populations. Even if it is technically feasible the amount of work and time required to do that agriculture may just not be worth it for the small tribes that live in that reason.
This sorta all gets into the same reason why we saw agriculture develop earlier in some regions of the world than others, as environmental and societal elements do impact the ability of a society to do agriculture. It's the same sorta reason why the people of Uruk developed large scale agriculture so early on, they were in a really good place with the right sorta crops and climate, and their people had a long history of harvesting the grains in a gathering lifestyle way before they actually started actively domesticating and farming the grains.
It's also why large scale agriculture wasn't really seen (and still isn't) in mongolia.
Even in places where agriculture is viable now it isn't viable for smaller less organized groups, I am rambling in circles now sorry but I hope that answers the question as it is one I find really interesting
There are some major issues with drekir societies and agriculture, it's not impossible and they do make it work eventually but there are a lot of barriers. The short answer is that it really depends on who and where you are talking about, some cultures can do it, some cant.
1) Many crops we used to have are extinct or severely mutated. Crops like Cucumbers, Raddishes, Broccoli (and the many other crops that come from the same plant) and wheat just don't exist anymore. Many other crops have mutated extremely such as Onions becoming the Ohndemic Girda which has entirely different requirements to grow that need to be learned, and of the crops that are less ohndemically warped they have often gone feral or no longer grow in the region for reasons I'll get to next.
2) Many regions of the Americas are only agriculturally viable thanks to modern infrastructure, Desert and Xeric regions, plains and steppes, and heavily tropical areas all have different problems that really need industrial scaled infrastructure and tech and organization to combat. From irrigation in the Owyhee to clearing dense old growth rainforest to fertilizing the same land over and over on a more sustainable scale. So a lot of regions and biomes and climates just can't realistically support large scale agriculture with out industrial infrastructure.
3) Drekir diets are naturally very meat heavy, there are a lot of staples that humans know that drekir can't safely eat. For example any sort of complex grain isn't digestible for a drek which removes Rice, Oats, Wheat, Barley, and Corn. Trying to eat those can cause serious digestive problems for a drek.
Generally drekir agriculture in this early period and the scale of that agriculture really depends on where you're looking. Most of the Pacific Northwest of North America for example can't do large scale agriculture because of the old growth forests around them, they lack the technology or manpower to substantially clear the forest to make larger crop fields. But the climate is good enough to grow small gardens in their villages, things like Lowberries, Tantail, and spices like Girda, in addition to Sivilão crops like the Romãtor. Though the scale is small.
If you travel a few hundred miles to The Great Plains of Wyoming the problem becomes the opposite, you have tons of open lands and the soil is plenty fertile, but water is now a huge problem, you're incredibly reliant on rain patterns to be favorable and the cultures there like the Dakoner and the Stormchasers find it easier to herd Wyrms through the plains in a pastoral lifestyle.
An Example of larger agriculture would be the City State of New Dallas, known as "The Cydonians" and they mostly feed their small city state with a massive farming system of Juklir (what became of chickens). They even grow Crops like Neotropical Yucca, Potatoes, Various Ohndemic Mushrooms and Aldinir fruits. But they are in a very ideal situation with a very workable climate and area for agriculture.
As a few other considerations that are important to note
1) We're still very early on into the timeline and drekir are still trying to figure out the world. Not everyone that made it to say, 50 years post awakening were experienced farmers prepulse, and a lot of the techniques of the prepulse just don't work in the post awakening world. They also need time to organize their societies and grow their populations to the point in which they could justify the heavy field work needed for agriculture.
2) It has been 100 years of neglect and magical ruin, a lot of crops in the world that we grow today are heavily reliant on humans to grow them, some can't even reproduce without people. Most of the crops that existed in the late october of 2020 have been dead and rotted away for decades by the time the drekir wake up. Additionally a lot of farmland has been grown over with thick forests in the time since the pulse that makes it hard to just reclaim them.
3) There are many cultures that just simply lost the societal knowledge to do agriculture effectively and there are even cultures that actively chose to regress such as the Packsworn and the Followers of Lebowitz that view the old world as a mistake and believe it is there place to live as simple a life as possible.
But as a TLDR here since I am rambling a bit:
1) It really depends on where you are, regions where we have farms now may not be farmable without modern technology. The vast fields of Idahoan farmland may not be practically farmable outside of the Snake River in the dragonscape and the dense jungle of NW Brazil just won't be clearable for traditional agriculture.
2) Many of the staple crops and farm crops that we are familiar with now may not exist in the dragonscape, or if they do they may not be edible. Importantly a lot of the critical staple crops that humans eat just aren't digestible by the drekir and those staple crops really are what allows us to live in such massive societies. So drekir will need time to find a replacement staple food source before they can form larger societies consistently.
3) A lot of people died, over 90%, and a lot of societal knowledge and technological capabilities have heavily regressed as a result. I am sure that most people could figure out say, small scale gardening, but larger scaled agriculture may not be feasible for most tribes thanks to their tiny populations. Even if it is technically feasible the amount of work and time required to do that agriculture may just not be worth it for the small tribes that live in that reason.
This sorta all gets into the same reason why we saw agriculture develop earlier in some regions of the world than others, as environmental and societal elements do impact the ability of a society to do agriculture. It's the same sorta reason why the people of Uruk developed large scale agriculture so early on, they were in a really good place with the right sorta crops and climate, and their people had a long history of harvesting the grains in a gathering lifestyle way before they actually started actively domesticating and farming the grains.
It's also why large scale agriculture wasn't really seen (and still isn't) in mongolia.
Even in places where agriculture is viable now it isn't viable for smaller less organized groups, I am rambling in circles now sorry but I hope that answers the question as it is one I find really interesting
thank you for the blessed loredump. I can't wait to see what new dallas looks like, it sounds like exactly what i was thinking of.
I really appreceate you orginising the information like this. i feel like i was able to glean more information from this than any of the other material.
I really appreceate you orginising the information like this. i feel like i was able to glean more information from this than any of the other material.
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