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Faya addresses a question that I tend to see a lot of in the furry fandom; specifically, the kind of question that tends to be something on the lines of "How come this is okay, but this isn't?" To illustrate what I'm talking about, I'll use Faya here.
Now, if I were to say that Faya was a vixen that was about seven feet tall, had four perfectly functioning arms and was also in possession of incredible magical talent, then many of you would not only say that that was completely believable; but also flawlessly logical. However, the moment I say that Faya's breasts also vary in size on a daily basis (sometimes growing as large as beach balls), then you'd say that that would be completely unrealistic.
Now seriously, the girl is seven feet tall, has four arms, and can obliterate a city block at a moments notice. How is that even remotely realistic?
And by the way, this doesn't just apply to fetish art either. I noticed that people will start complaining about a character's bustline, even if the character's breasts are like a G-cup. Granted, G-cup sized breasts are mildly rare and can be cumbersome to some women; but it's a cup size that does exist in real life and some women do naturally have breasts that large (and even enjoy them).
So I guess my question is, "why is a character that's part rabbit, part fox, part dragon, and part god-knows-what-else, has purple fur, can fly (without the use of wings), and can shoot lasers out of her eyes, considered a realistic character; but the moment you give her breasts larger than a D-cup, she becomes completely 'unanchored' in the real world?" I'm sorry, but where's the logic in that? O_o
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nikon.Faya addresses a question that I tend to see a lot of in the furry fandom; specifically, the kind of question that tends to be something on the lines of "How come this is okay, but this isn't?" To illustrate what I'm talking about, I'll use Faya here.
Now, if I were to say that Faya was a vixen that was about seven feet tall, had four perfectly functioning arms and was also in possession of incredible magical talent, then many of you would not only say that that was completely believable; but also flawlessly logical. However, the moment I say that Faya's breasts also vary in size on a daily basis (sometimes growing as large as beach balls), then you'd say that that would be completely unrealistic.
Now seriously, the girl is seven feet tall, has four arms, and can obliterate a city block at a moments notice. How is that even remotely realistic?
And by the way, this doesn't just apply to fetish art either. I noticed that people will start complaining about a character's bustline, even if the character's breasts are like a G-cup. Granted, G-cup sized breasts are mildly rare and can be cumbersome to some women; but it's a cup size that does exist in real life and some women do naturally have breasts that large (and even enjoy them).
So I guess my question is, "why is a character that's part rabbit, part fox, part dragon, and part god-knows-what-else, has purple fur, can fly (without the use of wings), and can shoot lasers out of her eyes, considered a realistic character; but the moment you give her breasts larger than a D-cup, she becomes completely 'unanchored' in the real world?" I'm sorry, but where's the logic in that? O_o
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Whether the character is a Mary Sue or not is irrelevant. The fact that people are declaring "that's not real" on a character that's utterly fictitious, is the point I'm trying to make here; especially when people are trying to rationalize characters that are off-the-wall and couldn't possibly exist anywhere else but in someone's imagination.
That, and I wanted to draw huge breasts. X3
That, and I wanted to draw huge breasts. X3
I think it's less about people finding it "unrealistic" and more like just using it as a way to project their hangups or problems with the particular fetish of huge boobs. You get the same sort of deal with hyper-endowed male characters. You could have brontosaur anthro who's 20 feet tall but if his junk is 6 feet long, "LOL he could never get hard he doesn't have enough blood!"
People seem to just tune out the idea that 1: It's fiction, you can do whatever you want because it's not real, and B: Some people like different things than they do. I personally don't care for macro stuff where characters are 100 feet tall or what have you, but I'm not some clod who goes looking for macro pics to post garbage like, "Their bones couldn't support them at that size blah blah blah."
I mean jeeze people, it's furry, it's all inherently unrealistic anyway, if you want your characters to have more normal endowments that's all well and good but don't pretend that a character with beachball knockers is any less "realistic" than a traditional character :P
People seem to just tune out the idea that 1: It's fiction, you can do whatever you want because it's not real, and B: Some people like different things than they do. I personally don't care for macro stuff where characters are 100 feet tall or what have you, but I'm not some clod who goes looking for macro pics to post garbage like, "Their bones couldn't support them at that size blah blah blah."
I mean jeeze people, it's furry, it's all inherently unrealistic anyway, if you want your characters to have more normal endowments that's all well and good but don't pretend that a character with beachball knockers is any less "realistic" than a traditional character :P
It's something that pisses me off too. Any opinions on how realistic any thing is about any furry character should immediately be discarded as bullshit because anthropomorphic animals don't exist. It's just some prick trying to force his opinions on how an imaginary thing should work.
Always seems to be targeted at huge boobs and inflationy stuff. I remember one guy made at least one comic basically just to point out how stupid and wrong inflation is. And the rest of his gallery was full of torture and rape. Nice.
Always seems to be targeted at huge boobs and inflationy stuff. I remember one guy made at least one comic basically just to point out how stupid and wrong inflation is. And the rest of his gallery was full of torture and rape. Nice.
Yeah, I think I remember seeing that comic too. It involved a vaporeon with huge boobs, getting them popped by a guy with a dart gun, right?
Anyway, yeah, most of it is based around the various kinds of fetish art out there. But there's a lot that goes toward stuff that's pretty normal too. Like with what I mentioned earlier with the G-cup sized breasts. G-cups may be pretty big and sometimes unwieldy, but they do exist and many women have them.
So why even say "that won't work in real life" for things like that; especially on something that doesn't even exist? It just doesn't make sense.
Anyway, yeah, most of it is based around the various kinds of fetish art out there. But there's a lot that goes toward stuff that's pretty normal too. Like with what I mentioned earlier with the G-cup sized breasts. G-cups may be pretty big and sometimes unwieldy, but they do exist and many women have them.
So why even say "that won't work in real life" for things like that; especially on something that doesn't even exist? It just doesn't make sense.
I think I was meaning another guy, but it wouldn't surprise me if there was more than one wannabe rapist out there trying to project the guilt and wrongness of their fetish onto someone else's.
I'm always bugged by the stock response of "How could they even stand with those" when someone's sporting more than D cups. Clearly they've never touched a boob or gone to a gym or they'd know that people can carry heavy things and boobs aren't made of some mysterious and dense material.
I'm always bugged by the stock response of "How could they even stand with those" when someone's sporting more than D cups. Clearly they've never touched a boob or gone to a gym or they'd know that people can carry heavy things and boobs aren't made of some mysterious and dense material.
I have to say I agree with submissive troat on this one, it's more of a case of people covering up their distaste and dislikes then anything else. It's odd, but we apparently try to influence the parts of other peoples characters that actually makes the most amount of sense (relatively speaking considering that this is the fandom) instead of reigning in the cybernetically-enhanced pirate/mercenaries armed with a fistful of weapons and skilled in half a dozen martial arts. But we won't, because without the mary-sues of the fandom how will we ever compensate for our boring, average lives with forty-hour weeks spent in factories, offices, and whatnot?
I mean yes; fat can be and often is unhealthy, huge boobs break a woman's spine, but is obsessing with such things really the worst thing the fandom has done?
I mean yes; fat can be and often is unhealthy, huge boobs break a woman's spine, but is obsessing with such things really the worst thing the fandom has done?
One way of looking at this would be less a matter of realism than it would be about how reasonable or believable it would be. A furry would seem reasonable, they're not too unbelievable and thus doesnt break suspension of disbelief... most of the time. Magic could be reasonable if it makes sense, as long as the character isnt annoying. Huge boobies, well, since that's what most of us've come here for, I'd assume come away without much problem; especially given the presence of magic, really big boobies dont seem too unreasonable to have, and with the character being either fairly strong or magical or something it wouldnt be that much more of a stretch to assume she's able to carry those heavy things (And yes, they are heavy, at her given height, her breasts would be around 2 feet in diameter, each with a volume of 4.2 cubic feet; fat weighs around 56 pounds per cubic foot, so each breast would be around 235 pounds for a total of 470 pounds of titflesh. God I love that phrase, "X pounds of titflesh").
Extra limbs, especially in that configuration, really stretches our suspension of disbelief. When you look at it, they seem tacked on and unnatural--less natural than a magical furry with big heavy breasts--and it just doesnt look right. When you think about the internal anatomy, it doesnt make a whole lot of sense, especially if you know how humanoid anatomy should look and obsess over random details like I do. Multiple limbs just arent as easily accepted on a furry as, say, multiple breasts, which incidentally would be a bit more believable because most tit-having animals have multiple tits as it is. It doesnt look right on your everyday furry because the body isnt made for it, something that looks like it should have four arms would be a lot more believable, which kind of brings me to my next point...
Another way would simply be a matter of general figure recognition. Furries are fairly easily accepted in our minds because they're easily recognizable; They have a fairly humanoid shape, like a people, and animal-like features, like an animals. Most people dont have much of a problem when the figure is mostly made up of these things, and the features themselves recognizable from either source. We can accept ears, fur, and a tail, since the source animals tend to have those even when plastered on a human-like figure in the right, reasonable places. Same thing with boobies, they're part of the human female figure, and really big boobies are still considered and recognized as boobies regardless. We're pretty forgiving when it comes to accepting these things--hell, taurs, for the most part, fit into this because they're source figures are easily recognized and accepted (or just not rejected), especially as a drawing.
Now, when it comes to altering the base figures, that's where we start to run into problems. Furries are, again, accepted because there isnt much deviation from its source figures. Sure, there's fur, ears, a tail, and ideally really huge breasts, but it still resembles people and animals. We arent used to things with four arms sticking out of their upper torso, so unless someone does a really good job of justifying its existence, we find it strange in a not-so-good way. This tends to be bad for happy sexy time, at least the sexy time most of the people who had a problem with this are familiar with.
The thing about this is that figure recognition is only part of the story; with artwork and creativity and all that other jazz, you can justify something having things like this. If it looks natural or plausible, we'll go with it. Look at someone Oniontrain, much of his artwork manages to take rather bizarre characters that would be fairly hard to accept and makes them cute and sexy. One example of his that relates here would be his tyranid BE animation, which also has four arms like this pic, yet there's no problem with it. Its also probably because it doesnt draw attention to the fact that four arms are unnatural, and that the character is some kind of weird alien thing that would make the extra arms not that big of a deal. That, and its just so well animated and sexy that you just forget anything that isnt boobies.
Now that I think about it, I've missed the point entirely. The topic was about huge boobs being unrealistic, not multiple arms. Silly me. Oh well, take two:
I think that most of the time when someone says that something isnt realistic, I think what they really mean is that it isnt reasonable. Like I said in my first two paragraphs, for something to be accepted, it needs to be reasonable, or plausible, or believable, something that doesnt make the viewer immediately question the work. Typically, you dont want details to bug people, which in sexy yiffytime drawings is needed in seemingly random places. Boobs are a fairly touchy matter, because there are a bunch of different things people look for in drawn boobies. Some people like roundness, some people like gravity, some people like both in random measures, and that isnt even getting into sizes, reasons they're so big, how they effect or affect the owner, and so on. Sexy time want-havers are finicky and dont know what they like, even though they know what they definitely dont like.
Me, I prefer plausibility, for the most part, that the boobies are reasonably shaped and weighted for how big they are, big factors being gravity and strength of the owner... though I do make a lot of exceptions, especially with your Bonnie, who even with how implausible she is (I think I've commented in the past on how heavy her breasts would actually be and just how impossible it would be for her to stand), I just cant get enough of that character. And then there are other artists who draw things that would reasonably fit into my preferences that I absolutely despise and laugh at for being so unbelievably bad, even though there is supposedly an audience for it that supposedly enjoys it. It just goes to show just how finicky we are
Part of the complaints about boobs being too big, in my opinion, also stems from the character itself. Certain character traits in sexytime yiffyart just bug us like they would in any other medium. Not a whole lot of people are going to enjoy a Mary Suelike character, even in this line of art. If she's annoying and has big boobs, and boobs happen to be most prominent to the character, people are going to complain about the breasts. On a character that's seemingly invincible, super powered, has a unique appearance trait, and is grafted to a couple fleshy beach balls that can change size, people will complain about the boobs because its the easiest, most obvious thing to complain about, especially on a site dedicated to boobs on peopledogs, among other things. If someone isnt turned on by a character that's supposed to be sexy, its taken at face value and regarded like you would anything else that doesnt turn you on, by the standards for regular characters and artwork. Your views on something change depending on your emotional state; you consider drawings a lot differently if you're tweakin' to it or not. Sexytime artwork is strange like that.
Also, judging something as real or not real is kinda dumb when referring to fictional characters--the answer's always going to be not real; its fiction, it would be kind of odd if it wasnt fake. But, as i said above, most of the time when someone says something isnt realistic, they mean it isnt believable, or plausible, or reasonable. Something about the subject matter broke their suspension of disbelief and they shook their head and said no. All fictional characters should conform to a level of plausibility, or at least exist in a way that doesnt break the suspension. Fiction is fiction, be it books or boobs. That means that, even with booby characters, you're still dealing with a character, only that most of the time you just focus on the boobs and boob-related features.
Extra limbs, especially in that configuration, really stretches our suspension of disbelief. When you look at it, they seem tacked on and unnatural--less natural than a magical furry with big heavy breasts--and it just doesnt look right. When you think about the internal anatomy, it doesnt make a whole lot of sense, especially if you know how humanoid anatomy should look and obsess over random details like I do. Multiple limbs just arent as easily accepted on a furry as, say, multiple breasts, which incidentally would be a bit more believable because most tit-having animals have multiple tits as it is. It doesnt look right on your everyday furry because the body isnt made for it, something that looks like it should have four arms would be a lot more believable, which kind of brings me to my next point...
Another way would simply be a matter of general figure recognition. Furries are fairly easily accepted in our minds because they're easily recognizable; They have a fairly humanoid shape, like a people, and animal-like features, like an animals. Most people dont have much of a problem when the figure is mostly made up of these things, and the features themselves recognizable from either source. We can accept ears, fur, and a tail, since the source animals tend to have those even when plastered on a human-like figure in the right, reasonable places. Same thing with boobies, they're part of the human female figure, and really big boobies are still considered and recognized as boobies regardless. We're pretty forgiving when it comes to accepting these things--hell, taurs, for the most part, fit into this because they're source figures are easily recognized and accepted (or just not rejected), especially as a drawing.
Now, when it comes to altering the base figures, that's where we start to run into problems. Furries are, again, accepted because there isnt much deviation from its source figures. Sure, there's fur, ears, a tail, and ideally really huge breasts, but it still resembles people and animals. We arent used to things with four arms sticking out of their upper torso, so unless someone does a really good job of justifying its existence, we find it strange in a not-so-good way. This tends to be bad for happy sexy time, at least the sexy time most of the people who had a problem with this are familiar with.
The thing about this is that figure recognition is only part of the story; with artwork and creativity and all that other jazz, you can justify something having things like this. If it looks natural or plausible, we'll go with it. Look at someone Oniontrain, much of his artwork manages to take rather bizarre characters that would be fairly hard to accept and makes them cute and sexy. One example of his that relates here would be his tyranid BE animation, which also has four arms like this pic, yet there's no problem with it. Its also probably because it doesnt draw attention to the fact that four arms are unnatural, and that the character is some kind of weird alien thing that would make the extra arms not that big of a deal. That, and its just so well animated and sexy that you just forget anything that isnt boobies.
Now that I think about it, I've missed the point entirely. The topic was about huge boobs being unrealistic, not multiple arms. Silly me. Oh well, take two:
I think that most of the time when someone says that something isnt realistic, I think what they really mean is that it isnt reasonable. Like I said in my first two paragraphs, for something to be accepted, it needs to be reasonable, or plausible, or believable, something that doesnt make the viewer immediately question the work. Typically, you dont want details to bug people, which in sexy yiffytime drawings is needed in seemingly random places. Boobs are a fairly touchy matter, because there are a bunch of different things people look for in drawn boobies. Some people like roundness, some people like gravity, some people like both in random measures, and that isnt even getting into sizes, reasons they're so big, how they effect or affect the owner, and so on. Sexy time want-havers are finicky and dont know what they like, even though they know what they definitely dont like.
Me, I prefer plausibility, for the most part, that the boobies are reasonably shaped and weighted for how big they are, big factors being gravity and strength of the owner... though I do make a lot of exceptions, especially with your Bonnie, who even with how implausible she is (I think I've commented in the past on how heavy her breasts would actually be and just how impossible it would be for her to stand), I just cant get enough of that character. And then there are other artists who draw things that would reasonably fit into my preferences that I absolutely despise and laugh at for being so unbelievably bad, even though there is supposedly an audience for it that supposedly enjoys it. It just goes to show just how finicky we are
Part of the complaints about boobs being too big, in my opinion, also stems from the character itself. Certain character traits in sexytime yiffyart just bug us like they would in any other medium. Not a whole lot of people are going to enjoy a Mary Suelike character, even in this line of art. If she's annoying and has big boobs, and boobs happen to be most prominent to the character, people are going to complain about the breasts. On a character that's seemingly invincible, super powered, has a unique appearance trait, and is grafted to a couple fleshy beach balls that can change size, people will complain about the boobs because its the easiest, most obvious thing to complain about, especially on a site dedicated to boobs on peopledogs, among other things. If someone isnt turned on by a character that's supposed to be sexy, its taken at face value and regarded like you would anything else that doesnt turn you on, by the standards for regular characters and artwork. Your views on something change depending on your emotional state; you consider drawings a lot differently if you're tweakin' to it or not. Sexytime artwork is strange like that.
Also, judging something as real or not real is kinda dumb when referring to fictional characters--the answer's always going to be not real; its fiction, it would be kind of odd if it wasnt fake. But, as i said above, most of the time when someone says something isnt realistic, they mean it isnt believable, or plausible, or reasonable. Something about the subject matter broke their suspension of disbelief and they shook their head and said no. All fictional characters should conform to a level of plausibility, or at least exist in a way that doesnt break the suspension. Fiction is fiction, be it books or boobs. That means that, even with booby characters, you're still dealing with a character, only that most of the time you just focus on the boobs and boob-related features.
Wow, that's…a really thorough way to look at the issue. Like, really thorough. O_o
But now that begs the question, "What's considered reasonable?" Like what you were saying, some people are going to find huge breasts reasonable if the character either knows magic, has super-strength or both. But some people will still find the concept of huge breasts completely unreasonable, no matter what kind of excuse you have to offer. So really, even though it would be more accurate to ask "what's reasonable?"; the whole concept of reasonable will still be up for debate.
Now, I can understand wanting to put in some realism/reason into a fantasy, so that it makes the characters more relatable and believable; which is why I try to give excuses other than "a wizard did it" so that I can explain why characters like Bonnie have such massive mammaries. But in the end, it's just a fantasy. Complete and utter fiction. So personally, I just think people need to lighten up about the entire issue of realism altogether. Especially since at the end of the day, we are just talking about lines on a page and pixels on a screen here. X3
But now that begs the question, "What's considered reasonable?" Like what you were saying, some people are going to find huge breasts reasonable if the character either knows magic, has super-strength or both. But some people will still find the concept of huge breasts completely unreasonable, no matter what kind of excuse you have to offer. So really, even though it would be more accurate to ask "what's reasonable?"; the whole concept of reasonable will still be up for debate.
Now, I can understand wanting to put in some realism/reason into a fantasy, so that it makes the characters more relatable and believable; which is why I try to give excuses other than "a wizard did it" so that I can explain why characters like Bonnie have such massive mammaries. But in the end, it's just a fantasy. Complete and utter fiction. So personally, I just think people need to lighten up about the entire issue of realism altogether. Especially since at the end of the day, we are just talking about lines on a page and pixels on a screen here. X3
What is reasonable is definitely up to debate, everyone has different views about what they could believe to work or not. While some people like me dont mind too much about whether or not getting or having huge big boobies is reasonable as long as the art is good and the character is likable (Though it does help), some others would. Some people would think that, even though it would make sense that a magical character with super-strength would be able to create some enormous mams, it's not exactly reasonable because annoying and overpowered and Sue-like, which, unless you're focused on her boobies and dont mind what they're attached to or enjoy that kind of character, is going to put some people off if they dont like it. And huge breasts, while awesome in itself, when attached to an unlikable character, suddenly turns awful and off-putting, as not even the undeniable power of ginormous mammaries can save a character someone doesnt like. Especially if they dont like the kind of boobs offered. Or something like that.
Then again, most of the backlash against big boobs is likely from people who either dont like that kid of huge boobs. In that case it's not entirely the artist's fault. Everyone has their own opinion on how breasts should look, from enormous free-floating balloons to flat-as-a-Ritts bugbites to just barely filling out a C-cup to massive pinned-to-the-bed too-heavy-to-sit-up beanbags. Personally I enjoy the last one. That might be some of the case, I dont know, I havent seen enough of the big-boobs backlash to make any real judgments. As far as I know, they're attacking the boobs either because it's more obvious and easily expressed than her other genuine annoyances, or because they dont like the specific style of boob. Either way, you're getting fickle-sounding people complaining about fickle-sounding things, regardless of how fickle their actual complaint is. Again, I cant say for sure, I dont really know.
Personally, I enjoy some realism or plausibility to my fantasy, it gives it a sort of believability and authenticity that just makes my heart smile. Of course, I dont demand or require it, that would be silly and my furry porn folder would only have a couple pics in it. Excuses are fine for lots of things, mostly for times when something borders a little on implausibility or needs some fleshing out. Pretty much anything that can be excused by a description post. But sometimes, in bigger, more implausible cases, something more than an excuse is needed, and what is needed could be anything to give believability to a piece. Of course, this doesnt mean that every huge, lovely, implausible case needs tremendous justification, it's fantasy after all, and if it seems like it would work for any reason, it's good enough. For instance, you dont really need to justify how Bonnie's able to walk without snapping in half (though that would be kind of funny, she suddenly being affected by gravity), we can just assume that, through some means, she can and does, and it isnt much more of a stretch to suspend disbelief for this (though it would be interesting to see what you could come up with). You're right about it still being just fiction and pixels, it's just that they're really sexy fiction and pixels. :3
Then again, most of the backlash against big boobs is likely from people who either dont like that kid of huge boobs. In that case it's not entirely the artist's fault. Everyone has their own opinion on how breasts should look, from enormous free-floating balloons to flat-as-a-Ritts bugbites to just barely filling out a C-cup to massive pinned-to-the-bed too-heavy-to-sit-up beanbags. Personally I enjoy the last one. That might be some of the case, I dont know, I havent seen enough of the big-boobs backlash to make any real judgments. As far as I know, they're attacking the boobs either because it's more obvious and easily expressed than her other genuine annoyances, or because they dont like the specific style of boob. Either way, you're getting fickle-sounding people complaining about fickle-sounding things, regardless of how fickle their actual complaint is. Again, I cant say for sure, I dont really know.
Personally, I enjoy some realism or plausibility to my fantasy, it gives it a sort of believability and authenticity that just makes my heart smile. Of course, I dont demand or require it, that would be silly and my furry porn folder would only have a couple pics in it. Excuses are fine for lots of things, mostly for times when something borders a little on implausibility or needs some fleshing out. Pretty much anything that can be excused by a description post. But sometimes, in bigger, more implausible cases, something more than an excuse is needed, and what is needed could be anything to give believability to a piece. Of course, this doesnt mean that every huge, lovely, implausible case needs tremendous justification, it's fantasy after all, and if it seems like it would work for any reason, it's good enough. For instance, you dont really need to justify how Bonnie's able to walk without snapping in half (though that would be kind of funny, she suddenly being affected by gravity), we can just assume that, through some means, she can and does, and it isnt much more of a stretch to suspend disbelief for this (though it would be interesting to see what you could come up with). You're right about it still being just fiction and pixels, it's just that they're really sexy fiction and pixels. :3
It's worth noting that even normal-sized breasts are questioned, as is discussed here: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2909477/ (Hmm. Change the second 7 to a second 4 and the serial numbers here and there would be anagrams.)
This suggests that misomammary (dislike of boobs) is somehow entrenched in society, or at least in furry. That doesn't answer the question, merely throws it into sharp relief. It could be, though, that since breasts are real, they're particularly desirable, which means that it particularly stings that these breasts are unavailable. NEENER NEENER!
I was going to invoke the Uncanny Valley and make a coherent joke, but I decided against it.
This suggests that misomammary (dislike of boobs) is somehow entrenched in society, or at least in furry. That doesn't answer the question, merely throws it into sharp relief. It could be, though, that since breasts are real, they're particularly desirable, which means that it particularly stings that these breasts are unavailable. NEENER NEENER!
I was going to invoke the Uncanny Valley and make a coherent joke, but I decided against it.
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