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I kinda lost all interest in this comic, not gonna lie
I really enjoyed the satire on RPG games and the lewd silliness at the start but I think somewhere along the way the story got up its own ass and isn't sure what it wants to be
The last two pages presents another character and kills them prematurely, and I'm just not in the mood to keep retreading that over and over.
I really enjoyed the satire on RPG games and the lewd silliness at the start but I think somewhere along the way the story got up its own ass and isn't sure what it wants to be
The last two pages presents another character and kills them prematurely, and I'm just not in the mood to keep retreading that over and over.
Yes, but what I was saying is that the author is still ultimately the one driving the story, that its not the audience who made the change but the author choosing to bring an element of the audience.
You're unwittingly removing the author's own agency here by suggesting or implying that the commenters basically 'forced' Vavacung into this direction. Maybe this was a direction planned from the start, or one of the ways it could go and they chose to use the responses from the audience as a device to direct it that way.
EDIT: Like, if the author/artist was unhappy with where this was going because of the commenters, there's several easier solutions then just going "well fine have it your way". The simplest of which is 'stop working on a comic that has been an experimental side project from the beginning anyways"
You're unwittingly removing the author's own agency here by suggesting or implying that the commenters basically 'forced' Vavacung into this direction. Maybe this was a direction planned from the start, or one of the ways it could go and they chose to use the responses from the audience as a device to direct it that way.
EDIT: Like, if the author/artist was unhappy with where this was going because of the commenters, there's several easier solutions then just going "well fine have it your way". The simplest of which is 'stop working on a comic that has been an experimental side project from the beginning anyways"
To clarify, I'm not disagreeing with your point. Perhaps he did intend for it to go this way, for whatever reason that's beyond my understanding, (I'm not a mind reader, after all.) However, it's a little hard to believe from my perspective, and until he confirms or denies anything, this is all just theory.
One thing I've noticed from the beginning is the mention this is a test project. Its *that I am aware of at least* never been quite stated what the test was for, but one thought that has popped into my mind was that Vavacung wanted to try doing something with a specific kind of character and see what people thought of them and how they responded to them and the story itself as what started out as a joke became more serious.
Its possible that they didn't have a specific plan in mind for Bravers fate at the beginning, but that they were keeping an eye on how people viewed them, and decided over time that having him live (and or actually fuck the dragon) might not be as interesting as having a twist and having him not only be killed (at least as far as we know at the moment) but have it be because by some means he was able to hear how at least some people utterly hated him.
Like, I'll be honest. I found Braver spunky if annoying, and wasn't taking things as seriously either way as alot of people. I honestly just kept expecting things to end with just the Dragon finally just chomping on him and that being the end. The way they decided to spin things actually took me from being only moderately interested in this comic (where I wasn't really even giving the comment section and the thoughts of others reading it any heed) to being exceptionally interested just where this will wind up going. To me, this comic has been subverting expectations at numerous points but the twist of having Braver die actually made this more interesting than less.
At the very least, I at minimum would say that the response of the audience might have influenced Vavacung, but it was ultimately Vavacung who decided what direction things were going. After all, its their comic and their the ones both drawing and writing it. And on top of such, its a test project with no guarantee of completion. If Vavacung was rather bothered by the audience response and felt like they were pushing for things to go a way they didn't want, they could have easily dealt with it differently. That they made the choice they did I think points to this being a direction chosen on purpose, and I at least am glad for it just for the sake of making the story vastly more interesting than it was before, as before, to be honest, I mostly found it to be a dead horse being repeatedly beaten and only curiosity of if Braver was going to get killed or finally fuck the Dragon kept me coming back.
Its possible that they didn't have a specific plan in mind for Bravers fate at the beginning, but that they were keeping an eye on how people viewed them, and decided over time that having him live (and or actually fuck the dragon) might not be as interesting as having a twist and having him not only be killed (at least as far as we know at the moment) but have it be because by some means he was able to hear how at least some people utterly hated him.
Like, I'll be honest. I found Braver spunky if annoying, and wasn't taking things as seriously either way as alot of people. I honestly just kept expecting things to end with just the Dragon finally just chomping on him and that being the end. The way they decided to spin things actually took me from being only moderately interested in this comic (where I wasn't really even giving the comment section and the thoughts of others reading it any heed) to being exceptionally interested just where this will wind up going. To me, this comic has been subverting expectations at numerous points but the twist of having Braver die actually made this more interesting than less.
At the very least, I at minimum would say that the response of the audience might have influenced Vavacung, but it was ultimately Vavacung who decided what direction things were going. After all, its their comic and their the ones both drawing and writing it. And on top of such, its a test project with no guarantee of completion. If Vavacung was rather bothered by the audience response and felt like they were pushing for things to go a way they didn't want, they could have easily dealt with it differently. That they made the choice they did I think points to this being a direction chosen on purpose, and I at least am glad for it just for the sake of making the story vastly more interesting than it was before, as before, to be honest, I mostly found it to be a dead horse being repeatedly beaten and only curiosity of if Braver was going to get killed or finally fuck the Dragon kept me coming back.
I think more that the dragon reached now the full potential, after years of kingdom destroying.
And now, many years after "Bravers" death, the dragon slowly feel that he was the only one,
with the potential to be a worth mate.
(Well, that's what I think. But let's see what the autor has in peto next.)
And now, many years after "Bravers" death, the dragon slowly feel that he was the only one,
with the potential to be a worth mate.
(Well, that's what I think. But let's see what the autor has in peto next.)
I don't think the necromancy will be part of it.
As we know vavacung there maybe another "film", "anime" or "game" that could be the comeback of a hero "Braver".
Think for example at "Legends of Zelda". There are always a Hero (Link), Princess (Zelda) and their enemy (Ganon).
And every X-years the three will be again in the same time and world to meet and fight again and again and again ...
As we know vavacung there maybe another "film", "anime" or "game" that could be the comeback of a hero "Braver".
Think for example at "Legends of Zelda". There are always a Hero (Link), Princess (Zelda) and their enemy (Ganon).
And every X-years the three will be again in the same time and world to meet and fight again and again and again ...
Nothing but what the last chapter showed. they are the one in charge the one at the top with no challenge. Thus the story ends. All story is born of conflict, without struggle there is not story. To be the top is to end it, the dragon had no challenged as stated, no one can beat her, so she killed, ravages, and destroys as she likes till she dies of old age, or gets bored killing random people. We can simply watch her do that now, as she pleases. It's like asking what would a tornado do after it destroyed a city, the same as before, the same after.
I think you're being a little pessimistic.
While the comic ending would be fine, I think writing off the dragon as having NO room to do other things as a character now that they've achieved their goal is a little... shortsighted.
Depends what the author wants to do - wouldn't be the first story where someone gets what they want and then walks back on it when they realize there's nothing to challenge them and keep them entertained anymore.
While the comic ending would be fine, I think writing off the dragon as having NO room to do other things as a character now that they've achieved their goal is a little... shortsighted.
Depends what the author wants to do - wouldn't be the first story where someone gets what they want and then walks back on it when they realize there's nothing to challenge them and keep them entertained anymore.
I wouldn't say I'm pessimistic or shortsighted, so much as using what has been provided for the character. To be clear i'm not saying its bad, I am simply inferring what is likely to continue from what we have been shown and the character as we know it.
There is always room to change, however, you have to take into account the actions/character your discussing. The dragon has been shown to like to kill/destroy/challenge herself. Nothing else has been expressed. While yes, the writer could introduce new character motivations, judging on what we know of the character this is just what they would do. Think of it like Thanos from the avengers movie, after he won, he did just what he said he'd do, nothing, just sat down and kicked back because that is what the character wanted to do. True, the writers could have had him jump into other universe, make armys, etc, but they didn't, because him doing that was IC for him. Same here IC the dragon has no reason to do anything but what they've been doing. Burn down city, kill defenders/challengers, repeat till dead. You would need a new Brave, or revived Brave to force a change, in the character that likes what they do.
I think the part you and i respectfully disagree on is that i see it as the same old thing, she does because its what she, not us as the reader, finds entertaining. She is a bully, she likes to bully the weak, and kill them, so that's what she'll do. I'm not saying that's a wrong way to write, i'm just pointing out that its how the character is written to act. That isn't shortsighted, its just an observation of the character, and understanding their motivations.
Yes the author can add in a motivation of any kind they want, evolving or changing the character, but those are additions you cannot predict. As a result given what we have, i made a prediction. I could be wrong, but my view is based on what we know of the character, not the infant possibilities available to the writer.
I mean if we go with that direction maybe she'll just become a balloon and explode into cotton candy. It wouldn't fit with story/character/etc and personally i'd find it silly. but there is no reason they couldn't write that. And if the author wanted it, it could very well happen, as you've said. Saying i don't see that happening, and i see the more likely end isn't pessimistic, its just based on what we have been shown.
There is always room to change, however, you have to take into account the actions/character your discussing. The dragon has been shown to like to kill/destroy/challenge herself. Nothing else has been expressed. While yes, the writer could introduce new character motivations, judging on what we know of the character this is just what they would do. Think of it like Thanos from the avengers movie, after he won, he did just what he said he'd do, nothing, just sat down and kicked back because that is what the character wanted to do. True, the writers could have had him jump into other universe, make armys, etc, but they didn't, because him doing that was IC for him. Same here IC the dragon has no reason to do anything but what they've been doing. Burn down city, kill defenders/challengers, repeat till dead. You would need a new Brave, or revived Brave to force a change, in the character that likes what they do.
I think the part you and i respectfully disagree on is that i see it as the same old thing, she does because its what she, not us as the reader, finds entertaining. She is a bully, she likes to bully the weak, and kill them, so that's what she'll do. I'm not saying that's a wrong way to write, i'm just pointing out that its how the character is written to act. That isn't shortsighted, its just an observation of the character, and understanding their motivations.
Yes the author can add in a motivation of any kind they want, evolving or changing the character, but those are additions you cannot predict. As a result given what we have, i made a prediction. I could be wrong, but my view is based on what we know of the character, not the infant possibilities available to the writer.
I mean if we go with that direction maybe she'll just become a balloon and explode into cotton candy. It wouldn't fit with story/character/etc and personally i'd find it silly. but there is no reason they couldn't write that. And if the author wanted it, it could very well happen, as you've said. Saying i don't see that happening, and i see the more likely end isn't pessimistic, its just based on what we have been shown.
I think one major point is being missed. The "beating into submission" part of Braver, which also turned so many people off because that was akin to rape, or something, is the very thing that the dragon actually respected. To my previous point of trying to apply morality to a comic, but also to the ways of a species that is decidedly not human and isn't based in the world we live in. Hell, look at how some predatory/aggressive animals mate. They squabble and fight to prove strength before mating. That's just the way of nature, as is being alluded to here...
I think for some people, one aspect is that while this is fantasy, the dragon is sentient/sapient and that therefore the fact that it has quite clearly not wanted to actually mate meant it would ultimately be quite clear the only way the dragon was getting fucked was against its will.
And because of the fact that Braver basically had no real charm, even if they had the determination and ability to best them, Braver came across as a not good person even in comparison to a kingdom destroying dragon. And considering the initial joke idea was run into the ground and then beaten repeatedly, the joke silliness aspect of things promptly vanished which made it easier for people to get upset at the idea of this character forcing himself on the dragon.
If this had followed more traditional hentai comic logic, Braver would have fought the dragon for a bit, bested it, and then we would have had lewdness and people wouldn't have taken things so seriously.
And because of the fact that Braver basically had no real charm, even if they had the determination and ability to best them, Braver came across as a not good person even in comparison to a kingdom destroying dragon. And considering the initial joke idea was run into the ground and then beaten repeatedly, the joke silliness aspect of things promptly vanished which made it easier for people to get upset at the idea of this character forcing himself on the dragon.
If this had followed more traditional hentai comic logic, Braver would have fought the dragon for a bit, bested it, and then we would have had lewdness and people wouldn't have taken things so seriously.
I must agree, though I must also admit the idea of taking the dragons side, regardless of brave is rather morbid. I'm not going to judge, but it's equivilant to saying, "on no frodo don't just plan to beat mean old sauron but rape him too! We better root for frodo to lose! Or else little sauron, lord of the eating babies and being of evil might feel bad." Which is kinda what I feel alot of people did to this comic.
Absolutely.
I've said it before - there are ways to do rape stories that are fun! The dragon getting beaten up and banged would've been fine... it just got stretched out too long for me to find enjoyable anymore, and the more overpowered Braver became the more I wanted them to fail.
I've said it before - there are ways to do rape stories that are fun! The dragon getting beaten up and banged would've been fine... it just got stretched out too long for me to find enjoyable anymore, and the more overpowered Braver became the more I wanted them to fail.
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