It's not impossible you know, for you to be together.

The word of god does not exist, because the words were written by man. Man has twisted the words to his own liking, as he and only he can hear his god. Man used god to control other men, to have them do as he would like, the word of god cannot be spoken, but only felt. The natural sense of right and wrong that all of us have, that is the word of god that we know.

A power that cannot be felt, but only in the mind, not the heart, is nothing to fear, if god tells you that you can't love someone, throw him aside and walk right past, you'll find that he will not stop you. God loves all of human kind as I'm told, and love is so sacred that not even god can take it away. If you feel love for Kinn, you have something that not even GOD is capable of stopping.

God is within everyone who has faith in him. He isn't some deity floating in the heavens, but simply moral direction that resides within every one of us. All of our gods are unique to us, no two the same. Forget the god you've been told to believe in, and look to the god that resides in yourself. Does your god tell you you're a sinner? Does your god tell you that you are destined to be sent to a fiery purgatory upon death? Does your god really believe what you're doing is evil?

Laws are reality, and yes, these are the real barrier you face.

You can always wait, like I have. I've been waiting 3 years, and I still have another year to go, but once that year is over, I'll be of legal age and I can be with the one I intend to spend the rest of my life with. We've both waited together, both forever faithful that we will be with each other, till death and beyond.

If you really do love each other like you say, you'll be together eventually. Time is only a number, a number that cannot change your goals or your determination. Religion is only a word, sin is only a thought, god is only as real as you think it is.

Some month ago, when kinn stated his concern for you, and his parent's discovery of his sexual preference, I gave a much more in-depth view of what god really is, if you're interested, it's in one of his old journals, but as you already know, you've been taught your god is forgiving and loving of all, if so, you are no exception.

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..... do u truly beleived in god/ever belived?

I believe in god. But I don't believe in the god you believe in.

My god loves me for who I am, and supports my decisions, I draw strength from my god, and my god speaks through me. Why would I believe in a god that wants me to punish myself for being me? That doesn't make any sense.

Think about it. Every culture has its own god. If every culture has a different god, then why can't we all have our own god? Why do you HAVE to follow the one god that tells you, that you can't love who you want to love?

My god has never smitten me, and my god has never punished me for being gay, in fact, my god rewards me with daily contentedness, and the ability to live however I want.

If your god was the only god, he would have had me run over, killed, and sent to hell by now. But he hasn't so, why should I believe in that god?

Believe me, I KNOW what you're feeling, when I met my lover, I was only 14 and he was 20 years old. Now today, I'm still with him. I'm seventeen and he's 23.

*sigh* did your god die on a cross die 4 your sins, rise agin, btw if u do belive in god then what is yer denomination? (i dont have one at my church)

God can't die. A man died.
And if he died for your sins, then you have nothing to worry about, sin, there is no consequence.

Did you watch your god die four times?
Did you watch your god rise again?

These are tales told by man, written thousands and thousands of years ago, when they didn't even know that cells existed, that thought diseases were brought about by witchcraft and voodoo.

I don't belong to a church, you don't need a church to be with god. You don't need Christianity to be with god.

Why do you so faithfully follow such a self destructive calling? Is it because someone told you it's how it has to be?

It doesn't have to be, I'm living proof of this. I don't follow your god, I reject your god, and I live a happy life, with a bright future with a companion that loves me endlessly, a gay, adult, male companion.

If there is a hell, which i don't believe there is, I'd rather burn in hell for eternity, than not love who I want.

the reason i follow god like this is not because someone told me... but because of what my hurt tells me is right, your right u dont need a church because your body IS the church, u do need to be saved (spiretualy) to pass though the gates, but its your chose im just telling u about it

you do NOT know how i feel right know, besides we broke up, but r still friends, its hard 4 both me, him but i wasnt tha first to love him, i know i wont be the last eather, im ok with that, my chose on the mater, i have told his mom, my parents that i wouldnt talk to him agin, even promised not to be bi anymore eather, if REALY think u know what im going though, then WHY would u practickly denounce my god hmm!?!

Because your god apparently hates you and wants you to suffer for loving someone? That's no god, that's a demon. You're a slave to that demon.

And you can't change your sexuality, it's in your brain, it's chemically embedded into you and no amount of prayer can change that.

heh then u dont know Jeasus like i do then, because he always love me, he is jelous 4 me as well, we ALL cant be pirfect... hes not a demon, oh btw point a finger at someone, look at yer hand, at the 3 fingers pointing back at u

*cough* Sorry to um, interrupt but, not every church is the same. And not every person is the same. Though I do agree on a lot of things you pointed out, I do know some Christians that do believe God accepts homosexuality, that he just loves everyone. But then again I know Catholics who believe a lot of odd things not exactly good. Some people require guidance you know, like the people and their government. The government guides the people and claims to try and help them. I say claims because I do not know what they do and try and not pretend to. Once again I apologize, I just wanted to make this even more obvious.

On a side note, your icon makes it hard to take you seriously, probably just me though... changing colors makes my eyes wander...

I know, some people just need something to guide them.

I'm having issues with my icon, I've gone through three incredibly horrid ones so far. I don't have a fursona, so I can't very well stick a picture of that there.

Not to say I can't simply draw one, it would be fast and easy, but what would I draw? No clue.

Well at at least you realize this. And just another thing, insulting someones belief isn't exactly productive...

Have you tried randomness? Works for me. Also trying to draw what you like or what you see helps...

I was hoping to get a little bit better at Hurp Derp before I trying something random, I'm not very comical.

Heavily Religious people are easily offended anyways. My simple existence insults them, at least according to the bible it should : / Even if I never say anything, someone is going to point a finger at me at some point and condemn me to burn forever.

look at the bottom please. It would appear I have made a mistake...

I find myself compelled to correct your spelling, there's no reason why a grown man should misspell "again" "redeem" "mentally" ect.

However, I realize this is neither the time or place to be finicky about spelling. I'm sorry that I allowed my compulsive nature through.

The way that a message is written is almost as important as the message itself, you can increase the impact of your words by making sure they are... well... the right words.

Again, I apologize, and I do not mean to be disruptive.

1 i double clicked, 2 do u at least understand my question, 3 there are sertin words i suck at spelling

Yes I can make out your words just fine. I think I answered your question, when you get to it.

"certain"

(>u.u)> *holds ya in my arms while rubbing your back* ya will never go to hell for being gay, love is a natural thing no matter what shape or form it takes and dont let anyone tell ya differntly cause ya cant be true to who ya are if ya dont do what ya want or be with who ya want to be.

i'm a strong christian and God isn't going to send you to hell for being gay.
However, staying out of relationships with 13 year olds may be a wise legal choice

i know, it was lust/love that made it happen, but i got myself back on track, i know god forgives me, will help me find another... a girl whos of legal age is out there... somewhere waitin for me, i just gota wait till then, thats ok

Then draw something you see. And random is simple. I enjoy staring and going in circles. I see things in anything and everything.

That depends on the person now doesn't it. Some can be accepting and there is more than one religion. I know wiccans, mormons, witnesses, christians and catholics. But who cares what they say? It can only effect you if you believe it true in any way. What you are is you. And I have not read the bible so point to me where it says homosexuality is wrong and God hates you. Where?

Leviticus "A man shall not lie with another man as he would a woman" I have not read the bible either, but this is a common verse that comes up in many debates on the subject.

While It doesn't SAY being homosexual is wrong, this is how a good number of Christians view it.

And say "It can only effect you if you believe it true in any way." To those who have been killed, assaulted, and have had their life ruined by radicals. Believe it or not, it does not stop them from taking physical action against you. Sad that there are some people like that out there huh?

Grandma is a Wicca, sister's girlfriend was a Mormon, some friends are Christians. I accept all freely, I never purposely insult others based on religion, but when their religion causes them to hate themselves for who they are, like in the instance above, I try to defend their sanctity.

Once again it appears I have made a mistake. I do apologize for this.

Bipolar icon much? And like the phrase right to bear arms, that can be interpreted many ways. I didn't see anything about love though... Also if it means sex than it is impossible since the way a women is normally had sex with is through the vagina. Just a thought.

I meant mentally and/or emotionally. It is horrid, but worse to know there are people like me out there. And such people can be fought against.

Do you know? What do you judge them on then? And isn't variety just amazing? And why attack? Why not reason?

As much as I'd love to pretend it doesn't matter, sex is at least mildly important in a relationship. And I doubt it's referring to a vagina, as much as it's referring to sex itself, and doesn't state "a man can't have a vagina" which due to medical science they can now anyways. Just a thought.

I judge people I meet on their moral values.
Like, not gloating upon victory.
Grace in Defeat
Mind over Heart
Independence over Reliance, stuff like that.

The icon is one of the characters I made some number of years ago, said it was hard to take me seriously with the other one, might as well change it.

I'm not sure what you're referencing to when you say "attack" I didn't state anywhere that I attack anyone. In fact I said the exact opposite "defend"

oh dear me, thrice now. This is an issue I should resolve. But I did make another mistake.

Yes, must admit you are seemingly correct. Seemingly because there is always possibilities. For some, sex can be the entire relationship. So it would seem that you are correct if it does mean sex, which in these perverse days it would seem it does.

I see. And what do you do when you judge someone to be bad?

Yes, I did. But it is your choice in the end. And I was aiming for a bit of humor to help lighten things a bit.

Yes, I did notice that. But what I meant was your defending seems more like an attack. And it can be misinterpreted as such. Which is why it is important to watch ones wording, as I should have.

Hmmm, If I judge someone to be bad, I usually just avoid them or ignore them. If they address me specifically, I'll respond, but I won't initiate communication.

I'm sorry, I'm hopeless when it comes to humor.

I agree, while I intended to defend him, and make him feel better about himself, I did so very aggressively.

well that does seem odd to me. Mainly because you judge morals. You see, the kind of people I talk to tend to try and help people when they can. So I find it odd you do not seem to feel morally obligated to help. I do not intend to seem rude or anything, it was just an observation.
Ah, as am I. I just thought I should attempt to keep things from going extremely serious, as I will get too engaged.

Yes, use your knowledge to better yourself and your ways of helping others. As will I.

Both our methods do get the job done.

Mine is harder to accept, and usually people fight it. But once you become self reliant, it's easier to avoid problems in the first place.

If you help someone every time they have a problem, they will find themselves reliant on others to help them, but, when nobody is around, they can't do anything about it and must suffer with the problem.

Pros and cons to both i guess.

u guys do relize u bin takeing up a lot of space with yer debate that could have bine done with sending notes insted right?, did u tell him yet?

Yes, I've told him.

did he say anything back er do i wana know?

He did say something back, but I don't know if you'd want to know or not.

*sigh*... what did he say?

He told me that you were just friends. And that He's tired of being hurt because of other people.

oh... ok then..... whatever...... i think hes begining to move on... thanks btw.

To add my view, only slightly, only slightly. And is it a debate or conversation?

what?

I only slightly noticed this silly! ^_^ and I also think this is becoming more of just a conversation. But that is a maybe.

eh im done arguein it anywayz, people got there ways, i got mine ^-^

As long as it all works out and your okay, then it is fine. :) Arguing can lead to very interesting things... Why not put sweaters on cars! We can keep them warm and cozy. And wouldn't it be fun to see a worm in a sweater? ^_^

I have a method? Pleas explain it, for I did not know that I helped anyone. I find I do the opposite.

And it can be very hard depending on the circumstances. If one is angry then they will fight many things. Or if they are depressed. And sometimes, even if you are self reliant, you need help finding your way. Sometimes problems will find you whether you avoid them or not.

That does depend on how you help them though... You can teach them to deal with the problem rather than solve it. That way you help them in the future and the present.

And I did forget to mention that the Bible verse you used mentions nothing about God hating anyone...

I apologize for taking so long to reply, I am busy.