
Tree of Life - Book 0 pg. 66.
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Nope, they're just as easy to kill. Simply replace said god with something tangible and provable such as science. Show the entire world something that actually has an effect on their surroundings that they can see and that actually improves their lives more than some seemingly uncaring deity ever did, and the world will flock to it en masse. Once that deity's believers have changed their faith to science, then that deity is effectively dead.
Riddle me this; what the hell are you going on about? I'm making a reference to how much of modern society (in the real world I if have to spell it out for you) values a tangible thing such as science over a millennia-old religion who's deity has, as far as anyone can tell, done nothing to stop the many untold atrocities that have ravaged the world over the last 2000 years. Granted, said religion is still the largest in the world by far so it's not going anywhere, but what I said still stands; if a religion loses all of it followers, does that deity still exist? I think not, but feel free to offer a counter-argument, though I do ask that it be an intelligent one.
I'm not quite sure where you get off about me "being so cringe" or whatever that's suppose to mean. Obviously you know much more about these 'dumb books or comics' than I do, so I guess they appeal to you more than they do me, hm? You do understand that there's a thing in the world called "philosophy"? You should check it out, it's a wild new thing that's really making waves. And I make no claim that I have any more knowledge than the person to my left or right, much less any sort of special knowledge about anything. After all, it's the man that thinks himself a fool that is wise, while the man who thinks himself wise that is the fool.
I'm not quite sure where you get off about me "being so cringe" or whatever that's suppose to mean. Obviously you know much more about these 'dumb books or comics' than I do, so I guess they appeal to you more than they do me, hm? You do understand that there's a thing in the world called "philosophy"? You should check it out, it's a wild new thing that's really making waves. And I make no claim that I have any more knowledge than the person to my left or right, much less any sort of special knowledge about anything. After all, it's the man that thinks himself a fool that is wise, while the man who thinks himself wise that is the fool.
You think you're being smart, but while your logic is fair it only applies in the real world. This is a fantasy world where gods or godlike entities are real, tangible and proven to exist.
You might as well proclaim to be an atheist in Dungeons And Dragons and see how the residents of that world react to you, in a world where the gods exist and actively appear before and interact with mortalkind on a regular basis. They would probably look at you like people look at antivaxxers in our world.
I suppose you're the type of person who can't stand fantasy or scifi stories because "magic doesn't exist" or something like that? I know your type. I was like you before. But fiction is fiction. Reality is reality. You need to learn to draw the line between them and appreciate them as separate entities.
You might as well proclaim to be an atheist in Dungeons And Dragons and see how the residents of that world react to you, in a world where the gods exist and actively appear before and interact with mortalkind on a regular basis. They would probably look at you like people look at antivaxxers in our world.
I suppose you're the type of person who can't stand fantasy or scifi stories because "magic doesn't exist" or something like that? I know your type. I was like you before. But fiction is fiction. Reality is reality. You need to learn to draw the line between them and appreciate them as separate entities.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a goddamn authentic psychic on our hands here!
Now that you're done acting like you know me or something, let me clue you in. Go back and read my comments. I mean actually read them. I'll give you a minute.. Ah, you found it, didn't you? The part where I specifically stated that I was making a reference to modern society IN THE REAL WORLD. No shit that a deity in a fantasy setting wouldn't care. They would be, "Ah, you think a lack of followers bothers me? How's this lightning bolt bother you?"
And while you've apparently known me for years and know what kind of person I'm like, you might have stopped paying attention at some point, because you're fundamentally wrong a one or two points;
1. I'm agnostic, not atheist. Big difference. I state this in my profile.
2. Science fiction and fantasy are, in fact, my favorite genres. In fact, my favorite book series is the collection of books set in the BOLO universe created by Keith Laumer; monstrously huge, nuclear powered, sentient-AI controlled tanks. You should check it out. Kinda obscure, but awesome. I own all of them. Most of the games I play are also sci-fi/fantasy. You might have been clued in to this if you had read my profile.
3. My art gallery full of sci-fi art commissions and stories based in a future-setting Assassin's Creed alternate timeline that I wrote might have also clued you in to whether or not I like sci-fi as well.
4. I've been a DM for D&D since 2E was out. I'm an expert with the 3/3.5E rules. My own homebrew is a amalgamation of 3/3.5E with a touch of 5E tossed in. One of my oldest characters has gone through so much over the last few decades (in the real world, not fantasy, you seem easily confused on this point so I had to clarify) they have actually become a deity themselves. Long storyline involved over lots of campaigns over many real-world years, huge god-war, about a quarter of the original pantheon dead at this point, now the most powerful and de facto ruler of the deities is actually a 7,000+ years old red dragon deity that's neutral good.
Reality is reality. Fiction is fiction. And philosophy is philosophy. You should learn that one doesn't preclude another. You should also learn not to assume things about people; it has a tendency to backfire and make you look like an idiot.
Now that you're done acting like you know me or something, let me clue you in. Go back and read my comments. I mean actually read them. I'll give you a minute.. Ah, you found it, didn't you? The part where I specifically stated that I was making a reference to modern society IN THE REAL WORLD. No shit that a deity in a fantasy setting wouldn't care. They would be, "Ah, you think a lack of followers bothers me? How's this lightning bolt bother you?"
And while you've apparently known me for years and know what kind of person I'm like, you might have stopped paying attention at some point, because you're fundamentally wrong a one or two points;
1. I'm agnostic, not atheist. Big difference. I state this in my profile.
2. Science fiction and fantasy are, in fact, my favorite genres. In fact, my favorite book series is the collection of books set in the BOLO universe created by Keith Laumer; monstrously huge, nuclear powered, sentient-AI controlled tanks. You should check it out. Kinda obscure, but awesome. I own all of them. Most of the games I play are also sci-fi/fantasy. You might have been clued in to this if you had read my profile.
3. My art gallery full of sci-fi art commissions and stories based in a future-setting Assassin's Creed alternate timeline that I wrote might have also clued you in to whether or not I like sci-fi as well.
4. I've been a DM for D&D since 2E was out. I'm an expert with the 3/3.5E rules. My own homebrew is a amalgamation of 3/3.5E with a touch of 5E tossed in. One of my oldest characters has gone through so much over the last few decades (in the real world, not fantasy, you seem easily confused on this point so I had to clarify) they have actually become a deity themselves. Long storyline involved over lots of campaigns over many real-world years, huge god-war, about a quarter of the original pantheon dead at this point, now the most powerful and de facto ruler of the deities is actually a 7,000+ years old red dragon deity that's neutral good.
Reality is reality. Fiction is fiction. And philosophy is philosophy. You should learn that one doesn't preclude another. You should also learn not to assume things about people; it has a tendency to backfire and make you look like an idiot.
He's a young kid who lost his parents, his home, everything he loved. Hard to blame him for being angry. Who's the one with all the power here? She may be a goddess incarnate, can see into the soul, but I don't think she can see into the future. In that case, it's not her fault either. Hard to imagine parents who were doting on their child would abandon the same kid so easily. There's nothing this kid can really do to her, this is a kid who's enduring great loss. Blue understands that.
Meh, probably people like to see Mira our precious wounder child and Hero to kick a boy that has lost everything and does not know how to deal with it other then lashing out at the "cause" of his problems, with her magic powers given by the given by the Goddess that "took everything" from Nigel.
Nigel is a kid and he does not really understand his situation, wounder if anything would go differently if Leopold was here...
Nigel is a kid and he does not really understand his situation, wounder if anything would go differently if Leopold was here...
I can understand his anger, but maybe he should more look at his parents and ask "What did they do to me?"
And i seriously wonder why Luna didnt dodge the stone. I mean, she is a god after all, shouldn't she have some kind of... well, you know, ability that either lets her see what is coming or let the stone simply not hit her?
And i seriously wonder why Luna didnt dodge the stone. I mean, she is a god after all, shouldn't she have some kind of... well, you know, ability that either lets her see what is coming or let the stone simply not hit her?
It's more she was surprised than anything else...
And it may also have been the intent as well. Nigel has been quite hurt by everything that has happened to him so far... And Luna basically had told him that "Because you wanted to make your Family Proud, you can't be a Guardian... But I'mma still make your Douchy Family Guardians anyway, even though they were basically the ones who made you unworthy in the first place."
I'd be sour too in that case.
And it may also have been the intent as well. Nigel has been quite hurt by everything that has happened to him so far... And Luna basically had told him that "Because you wanted to make your Family Proud, you can't be a Guardian... But I'mma still make your Douchy Family Guardians anyway, even though they were basically the ones who made you unworthy in the first place."
I'd be sour too in that case.
Because one day one of this family that is a Guardian may save her and therefore the world?
Because that may ostracise the family from the rest of society, which might end with the family dying out, which in turn would diminish everything. Not by much, true, but how many drops make an ocean that drowns you? She is taking the long view in this. You never know how a family will develop in a few centuries or even millennia.
But she is aware that it's the individuals that make up a society, so she takes care of as many as possible.
I assume.
Because that may ostracise the family from the rest of society, which might end with the family dying out, which in turn would diminish everything. Not by much, true, but how many drops make an ocean that drowns you? She is taking the long view in this. You never know how a family will develop in a few centuries or even millennia.
But she is aware that it's the individuals that make up a society, so she takes care of as many as possible.
I assume.
To be fair, the doucheness aside Luna did explain, that for some reason, Nigel's family genuine wished to be guardians, and o fulfill what was required of them, through their own volition at some point despite being raised in the same way that Nigel was. Plus Leopold has shown to have some douchy traits as well, maybe not as bad but you get the point. I guess you could say, Nigel never developed a sense of personal ambition.
Angry people don't always do what makes sense.
Luna may be a god, but she may not be GOD. She may be wiser and more powerful than the rest of the tribe, but it doesn't mean she's infinitely wise, or infinitely powerful. If she were, then why would she need guardians at all?
Luna may be a god, but she may not be GOD. She may be wiser and more powerful than the rest of the tribe, but it doesn't mean she's infinitely wise, or infinitely powerful. If she were, then why would she need guardians at all?
The Fire she wields cannot harm the Innocent, only those with Blackened Hearts and Souls.
It also cannot Cook anything, so aside from burning Monsters, it's not really good for anything else beyond looking awesome.
Nigel is simply a Boy who has lost everything, and has no idea how to take it. Luna may not have meant to hurt him, but she basically said that Nigel's family deserved to be Guardians for Brainwashing their children and Treating the "Undesirable One" like Dirt... Simply because they wanted to be Guardians.
Rather Twisted, I must say.
It also cannot Cook anything, so aside from burning Monsters, it's not really good for anything else beyond looking awesome.
Nigel is simply a Boy who has lost everything, and has no idea how to take it. Luna may not have meant to hurt him, but she basically said that Nigel's family deserved to be Guardians for Brainwashing their children and Treating the "Undesirable One" like Dirt... Simply because they wanted to be Guardians.
Rather Twisted, I must say.
What would you want her to "do about it"?
She is already talking to him and trying to make him understand her perspective; he is too emotional in the moment to get it.
The best thing she can do is give him time to reflect on it and maybe come to understand it in time.
If she'd try forcing it, she'd probably only make him more defensive and less willing to understand.
She is already talking to him and trying to make him understand her perspective; he is too emotional in the moment to get it.
The best thing she can do is give him time to reflect on it and maybe come to understand it in time.
If she'd try forcing it, she'd probably only make him more defensive and less willing to understand.
It's weird to explain, but Luna doesn't really intervene in people's affairs as it's not her place to, she can offer her thoughts or words of encouragement, but she won't really, say, step in and tell people what they can and what they can't do, or interfere with people's choices. It's for that reason, she didn't liberate Tristan from his very unfortunate life, or escort Chilli back to her village, as she herself chose to run away. Mira happens to be a very special case, under different circumstances, Luna likely wouldn't have intervened the way she did.
Welp Nigel is gonna turn is back on The Tree of Life but that we already knew, would be interesting to see if he would join the service of a other god like The Anvil of War or something like that just to start a crusade and burn down everything. He is angry his life made such a turn and that blinds him, everyone is to blame here Nigel, Nigels Parents and the Tree of Life.
But she kinda did give him straight answer, but his parents' actions and his inability, or rather, lack of desire, to understand the meaning, led to this.
Not to say Luna could've worded her sentenses a bit better, but if everyone would've given full fledged description of what they should do and how to live their lives, it wouldn't be their own lives, but someone else's.
And by the looks of Nigel's ref sheet, I get the feeling, that he just might become, at least, somewhat of a Villain. Maybe Villain's sidekick?
I really hope the Guardians will eventually find a way to make amends with him and ease his anger.
Sooner, than later, when it's too late.
Not to say Luna could've worded her sentenses a bit better, but if everyone would've given full fledged description of what they should do and how to live their lives, it wouldn't be their own lives, but someone else's.
And by the looks of Nigel's ref sheet, I get the feeling, that he just might become, at least, somewhat of a Villain. Maybe Villain's sidekick?
I really hope the Guardians will eventually find a way to make amends with him and ease his anger.
Sooner, than later, when it's too late.
Not sure. I see him more as the sarcastic one of the group, the one who always finds to say something bad about the actions of the group, without any real basis, just because he has a deep anger and has grown years with it.
His arc would probably be forgiveness and acceptance. But mostly forgiveness towards himself, because basically, he is angry at himself for fail to be a guardian and for disappointing his parents (from his point of view).
His arc would probably be forgiveness and acceptance. But mostly forgiveness towards himself, because basically, he is angry at himself for fail to be a guardian and for disappointing his parents (from his point of view).
Nigel's ref sheet to me, gives of a more let's say, exiled vibe, bitter, angry and upset at the world, it kinda feels like he's trying to find his place in the world, but well, that's not exactly going well. He's also from what the ref sheet says, supposed to be an unlikeable dick, for a number of reasons. I wouldn't call him evil, but I wouldn't call him good either. He feels like he's going to end up as a chaotic neutral.
Hope he has a redemption arc of some kind cuase he is a tragic Villian. Cuaght in his family's false love, blind by his own hatred, doesn't understand the pain he is in and starts blaming someone who was not even the cuase, grew in such lies and not being able to see nor understand at a young age.
If he doesn't get a redemption arc then let his end be something in expected. (Again that's just me doing a small BREAKDOWN what I'm seeing so I may COMPLETELY WORNG QWQ)
If he doesn't get a redemption arc then let his end be something in expected. (Again that's just me doing a small BREAKDOWN what I'm seeing so I may COMPLETELY WORNG QWQ)
This page made me cry. The Tree of Life, she is so understanding.
So many people in this world could use her guidance.
Nigel is consumed with pain, and not seeing clearly. She sees that.
Beautiful. I think one day he'll heal from the neglect of his parents, and find
he truly wants to become a guardian. On. His. Own.
So many people in this world could use her guidance.
Nigel is consumed with pain, and not seeing clearly. She sees that.
Beautiful. I think one day he'll heal from the neglect of his parents, and find
he truly wants to become a guardian. On. His. Own.
To those of you going on about Nigel still supporting his Family even for what they stuffed into his head, and being a Complete Asshole, This isn't even the end of his Chapter, and Nigel had stated in the Start of His Chapter that he hates his family for filling his head with such lies and delusions.
...Asides, you lot DO realize that Nigel ALSO starts off his Chapter calling himself "Shit" and "Crap"? Or that in his narration, he holds no ill will to Luna, a Stark Contrast to here?
Yeah, Turns out, calling a Guy who already considers himself an Asshole, an "Asshole" really shows a far amount of shortsightedness, as well as calling his a "daddy/momma's boy" when he started off explaining that he grew to hate his family for what they did, with the SOLE EXCEPTION being his Little Brother TOBY!
Yeah, I saw The Chapter start. When he was talking about his Brother Toby, he sounds PROUD of his little brother in the narration... Who basically had everything Nigel once had given to him once his Parents considered Nigel as "The Failure".
We're watching a Flashback, heavily implied to be the Event that Turns the Tide for Nigel's Character... And for Nigel, THIS was the scene that affected him the most. This was the moment that led to Nigel hating himself the most of all.
This is Nigel's Worst Memory... The one Burned into his Mind. Like Tristian, his story will be one of the harder ones (Tristian stays with his Manipulative "Friends" till Mira finds him, and Nigel would be wandering the Roads when he is found... And Likely Refusing the Call the First time round.), and his major development will have to be him healing from the Scars.
...Asides, you lot DO realize that Nigel ALSO starts off his Chapter calling himself "Shit" and "Crap"? Or that in his narration, he holds no ill will to Luna, a Stark Contrast to here?
Yeah, Turns out, calling a Guy who already considers himself an Asshole, an "Asshole" really shows a far amount of shortsightedness, as well as calling his a "daddy/momma's boy" when he started off explaining that he grew to hate his family for what they did, with the SOLE EXCEPTION being his Little Brother TOBY!
Yeah, I saw The Chapter start. When he was talking about his Brother Toby, he sounds PROUD of his little brother in the narration... Who basically had everything Nigel once had given to him once his Parents considered Nigel as "The Failure".
We're watching a Flashback, heavily implied to be the Event that Turns the Tide for Nigel's Character... And for Nigel, THIS was the scene that affected him the most. This was the moment that led to Nigel hating himself the most of all.
This is Nigel's Worst Memory... The one Burned into his Mind. Like Tristian, his story will be one of the harder ones (Tristian stays with his Manipulative "Friends" till Mira finds him, and Nigel would be wandering the Roads when he is found... And Likely Refusing the Call the First time round.), and his major development will have to be him healing from the Scars.
Exactly. Nigel however managed to figure it out by the time of him narrating this chapter... Which actually makes it quite Unique when you realise this is the First Chapter to have the Character it involves, perform a Narration...
And On Nigel's Ref sheet, Viktria reveals that Nigel has a Deep Seated Anger Issue with the world, always being rude and lashing out... But most of all, he has a Bitter Hatred at HIMSELF.
If I'm reading the situation correctly... Luna's advice may have backfired... Since Nigel was supposed to "Go on a Journey and be Enlightened"... But here's the Rub, she told that to a Child that had basically been all but disowned by his family, the Sole Exception being his Little Brother Toby... And She forgot the Biggest part about enlightenment...
You're supposed to have someone Guide you if you are Lost and have no idea what to do... But since she never told him about that, Nigel likely tried to do that alone, believing he has to do it without any form of help or advice... And Grew to Hate himself so much that he's locked in a Vicious Cycle of Bitterness and Self-Hatred.
Even if she didn't mean it, Luna may have accidentally caused Nigel the most pain, simply because she forgot the most important advice to give to those who go on such Journeys of Enlightenment... And that is to have a Guide or Advisor, someone to help the Subject when they need to be Grounded or Require Direction.
Whoops.
And On Nigel's Ref sheet, Viktria reveals that Nigel has a Deep Seated Anger Issue with the world, always being rude and lashing out... But most of all, he has a Bitter Hatred at HIMSELF.
If I'm reading the situation correctly... Luna's advice may have backfired... Since Nigel was supposed to "Go on a Journey and be Enlightened"... But here's the Rub, she told that to a Child that had basically been all but disowned by his family, the Sole Exception being his Little Brother Toby... And She forgot the Biggest part about enlightenment...
You're supposed to have someone Guide you if you are Lost and have no idea what to do... But since she never told him about that, Nigel likely tried to do that alone, believing he has to do it without any form of help or advice... And Grew to Hate himself so much that he's locked in a Vicious Cycle of Bitterness and Self-Hatred.
Even if she didn't mean it, Luna may have accidentally caused Nigel the most pain, simply because she forgot the most important advice to give to those who go on such Journeys of Enlightenment... And that is to have a Guide or Advisor, someone to help the Subject when they need to be Grounded or Require Direction.
Whoops.
That's the thing. I think at some time he figured out that despite everything, he himself was as much to blame for him not becoming a Guardian as his parents. Had he done the introspective Luna asked him to do, he would still have been chosen to be a Guardian. Heck, he could have completely ignored his parents as a Guardian and lived his own life just to rub it in.
He was unable to. The moment he got back home, Everything he had was taken from him and given to Toby, and his parents completely ignored him.
You cannot do an Introspective when you undergo such shock, as it would could the mind, and thus, one's own self-reflection, which would have still left him "Unworthy" to be a Guardian.
You cannot do an Introspective when you undergo such shock, as it would could the mind, and thus, one's own self-reflection, which would have still left him "Unworthy" to be a Guardian.
Considering some of the reference material here, I have some concerns for the two brothers.
We know Guardians have a dangerous duty. And the reference page to their weapons and them being older has no mention of Nigel's family. It has me concerned that perhaps he might be the last of his family at the point he's righting this all down.
We know Guardians have a dangerous duty. And the reference page to their weapons and them being older has no mention of Nigel's family. It has me concerned that perhaps he might be the last of his family at the point he's righting this all down.
Not arguing with your stance , but where do you see him say these things about himself and his brother? I see where he refers to the "dark, bitter world" and how it "never gave a shit" about him on the first page of the chapter, but that reads more like self-pity than self-loathing. Granted, a couple pages later he basically says that he's come to realize how messed up his family's tradition is, so doesn't appear to be putting all the blame on Luna anymore.
As for Toby, it was said that he was once "pushed to the background" only to later become the sole focus of his parents' attention and praise, but I don't recall Nigel ever mentioning his feelings toward him one way or another. Unless you count that "I was angry at my family" bit. Also (and this isn't directed at you specifically), where are people getting that Toby becomes a guardian in the future? I haven't seen any mention of that in the story. In fact, he's not even featured on the Weapon and Height Chart and has no adult refsheet...which is kind of ominous now that I think about it.
As for Toby, it was said that he was once "pushed to the background" only to later become the sole focus of his parents' attention and praise, but I don't recall Nigel ever mentioning his feelings toward him one way or another. Unless you count that "I was angry at my family" bit. Also (and this isn't directed at you specifically), where are people getting that Toby becomes a guardian in the future? I haven't seen any mention of that in the story. In fact, he's not even featured on the Weapon and Height Chart and has no adult refsheet...which is kind of ominous now that I think about it.
He called himself "The Worst Piece of Shit of them all" as well. That sounds more like Self-hatred than Self-Pity. The bit on Toby is mentioned, and even though it's faint, it sounds like Nigel holds some respect to his little brother. He doesn't call his little Brother a Liar, a Cheat, or even a Thief, instead saying "He was still far from becoming a Guardian"... Showing that by this point, he thinks Toby has potiential where he (Nigel) didn't.
And you missed an Important detail, A LOT of Kids became Guardians-In-Training, but our Focus is on a Select group of particulars. You forget that Alexander, a GOD, is on that List, along with his Daughter Lily, and the Main Villain of the Story is on the list as well... The latter not even remotely a Guardian and is instead the Main Reason they're on this quest in the First place.
Viktria uses the list as a Reference for the MAJOR PLAYERS of the story... Meaning The Cast of Main Characters. The Rest of the Guardians are not the Main Characters, being at Best, Supporting Characters, at Worst, Background Characters.
There's a Slight Chance they might die, but if they don't, they're more likely protecting Luna's Sanctuary while the Main Cast of the Guardians try to fix the problem. That means a Few "Lesser" Guardians may appear before Mira, Leopold and Chili go on the Trip, with Toby likely being among them.
Question is, Would Nigel turn up there, or on the Road?
And you missed an Important detail, A LOT of Kids became Guardians-In-Training, but our Focus is on a Select group of particulars. You forget that Alexander, a GOD, is on that List, along with his Daughter Lily, and the Main Villain of the Story is on the list as well... The latter not even remotely a Guardian and is instead the Main Reason they're on this quest in the First place.
Viktria uses the list as a Reference for the MAJOR PLAYERS of the story... Meaning The Cast of Main Characters. The Rest of the Guardians are not the Main Characters, being at Best, Supporting Characters, at Worst, Background Characters.
There's a Slight Chance they might die, but if they don't, they're more likely protecting Luna's Sanctuary while the Main Cast of the Guardians try to fix the problem. That means a Few "Lesser" Guardians may appear before Mira, Leopold and Chili go on the Trip, with Toby likely being among them.
Question is, Would Nigel turn up there, or on the Road?
But where was that line used? Was it outside of the comic somewhere? Because I re-read all the pages with his narration on them, and I can't find it. Honsetly, I'm only asking out of curiosity at this point. Thinking I missed a detail like that just bugs me.
Also, I wasn't suggesting everyone on that chart was a guardian. I was merely confused as to why people have been saying Toby is going to be a guardian as if they've already seen it happen. I know he's going to try, and I certainly hope he makes it, but it hasn't been shown in the comic yet.
Also, I wasn't suggesting everyone on that chart was a guardian. I was merely confused as to why people have been saying Toby is going to be a guardian as if they've already seen it happen. I know he's going to try, and I certainly hope he makes it, but it hasn't been shown in the comic yet.
I'm actually surprised to see her flinch from that hit, I mean sure she's benevolent and wouldn't take it personally but figured it'd take way more force for that to register (but I suppose I might just be confusing whatever arcane energy powering her with Ki or something like that lol )
Yep, expected reaction at this time.
Also, I'm assuming practically nothing of this world can actually hurt The Tree of Life physically? Just about everything hurts her emotionally but that's what happens when you're literally the source for all life you get really attached to a whole bunch of temporary things all the time.
Also, I'm assuming practically nothing of this world can actually hurt The Tree of Life physically? Just about everything hurts her emotionally but that's what happens when you're literally the source for all life you get really attached to a whole bunch of temporary things all the time.
I can understand the kids anger and even physical attack. Since his whole life he trained to be the guardian and within a moment, all he worked for crumbled around him, not to mention all the attention and praise he gotten before just turned into dissapointment.
And this is because she told him he wasnt ready yet. Ofcourse it would prevoke such reaction and action from him, she is the source of all pain she caused him.
She does make nice points but he is to angry to see beyond that right now.
And this is because she told him he wasnt ready yet. Ofcourse it would prevoke such reaction and action from him, she is the source of all pain she caused him.
She does make nice points but he is to angry to see beyond that right now.
Well, she did not cause any of it.
She told him he wasn't ready and he isn't.
The parents are who he should blame.
The people who he trusted the most, those who promised to always be proud of him, to support and love him, turned their back on him, the moment he failed ONCE at what they trained him to be.
The love and care they offered so nonchalantly, was taken away.
But it's not Luna fault. She didn't tell his parents to quit loving him, she tasked him to ask himself if being a Guardian really is what he wants, and then he will be ready.
Simple as that.
She didn't force his parents, she didn't take anything from him.
It was all his parents' doing.
And being pampered, beloved child, turned into neglected one, he can't possibly take in clear vision that it's his own Ma and Pa he should blame, and not some "stupid selfish Tree".
She actually tries to help him see and choose for himself, what he wants to be.
The fact that he can't clearly undrrstand that rn, is another point, but Luna herself, didn't DO any of what Nigel or people in comment section blames her for.
Not directly, anyway.
She told him he wasn't ready and he isn't.
The parents are who he should blame.
The people who he trusted the most, those who promised to always be proud of him, to support and love him, turned their back on him, the moment he failed ONCE at what they trained him to be.
The love and care they offered so nonchalantly, was taken away.
But it's not Luna fault. She didn't tell his parents to quit loving him, she tasked him to ask himself if being a Guardian really is what he wants, and then he will be ready.
Simple as that.
She didn't force his parents, she didn't take anything from him.
It was all his parents' doing.
And being pampered, beloved child, turned into neglected one, he can't possibly take in clear vision that it's his own Ma and Pa he should blame, and not some "stupid selfish Tree".
She actually tries to help him see and choose for himself, what he wants to be.
The fact that he can't clearly undrrstand that rn, is another point, but Luna herself, didn't DO any of what Nigel or people in comment section blames her for.
Not directly, anyway.
Regardless of the fact that Nigel is now being consumed by anger and refusing to believe what the Tree of Life told him, it must be remembered that he is still a child. However, at some point Nigel will have to face reality as it is, whether he wants it or not, and that's something I want to see.
I wonder if the messed up way Nigel's parents raised him and Toby might actually make it so Toby is able to become a guardian instead of Toby? Then again, Toby isn't refenced in the size of characters to weapons chart. That isn't a good sign. Something tells me tragedy hits. After all, we already know guardian life isn't safe work.
This sort of feels reminds me of something in a story I heard so long ago, I can't even remember what it was from. It goes like two children are raced equally until their both considered adults. Then at a dinner they receive two distinct gifts that determine the children's lives from there on. One inherits everything and lives a long glamorous life, the other dies miserably and poor out on the streets from there on. I know it isn't an exact comparison to what's happening, but one child receiving all the love an attention as the other fades into the shadows does seem like a common thread here.
This sort of feels reminds me of something in a story I heard so long ago, I can't even remember what it was from. It goes like two children are raced equally until their both considered adults. Then at a dinner they receive two distinct gifts that determine the children's lives from there on. One inherits everything and lives a long glamorous life, the other dies miserably and poor out on the streets from there on. I know it isn't an exact comparison to what's happening, but one child receiving all the love an attention as the other fades into the shadows does seem like a common thread here.
This is a point at which authority does need to be used. If he’s willing to do that to someone he knows is a god, then he’s willing to do it to something mortal that can break his spine over its knee. Sadly, it’s at this point where the edgy character’s survival becomes contrived. I just hope this doesn’t get as bad as other characters like him (see any edge lord anime character)
So as i understand lore of this universe in the future all this children will become party. So let me guess who will be who. Little tired of this backstory
Trstan - Thief (DD)
Leo - Warrior (Tank)
Nigel - maybe some kind of beginner warlock (two thieves in team will be too much, and such kind of class could give him more inner struggle) or, maybe, monk (but, you know, i wrong, too nervous to be martial art type character), pirate (maybe, but stick as weapon... No no no no). So i more interested what type of class he will be, more than why he was exiled from family. Maybe Treasure Hunter which will be possesed by some evil spirit.
Chili - Medic (Support)
Mira - mix of mage and warrior. (DD)
I don't sure about involvement of Rah'Jan, Alexander and Lilly, but if they will be in team. Rah'Jan Chaos Knight (Sorcerer), Alexander Warrior (DD), Lilly Rogue (Support).
Trstan - Thief (DD)
Leo - Warrior (Tank)
Nigel - maybe some kind of beginner warlock (two thieves in team will be too much, and such kind of class could give him more inner struggle) or, maybe, monk (but, you know, i wrong, too nervous to be martial art type character), pirate (maybe, but stick as weapon... No no no no). So i more interested what type of class he will be, more than why he was exiled from family. Maybe Treasure Hunter which will be possesed by some evil spirit.
Chili - Medic (Support)
Mira - mix of mage and warrior. (DD)
I don't sure about involvement of Rah'Jan, Alexander and Lilly, but if they will be in team. Rah'Jan Chaos Knight (Sorcerer), Alexander Warrior (DD), Lilly Rogue (Support).
The tree understands, and she knows there is nothing she can do in this moment to help Nigel.
Mira can only see someone who attacked her mother, which is understandable for a child, and the tree wisely held her back so Mira wouldn't do something she'd later come to regret.
Much as I utterly dislike Nigel, he is going to have to grow up a bit if he's ever going to get unstuck. He has a long and painful road ahead of him, but I am certain that if the day comes where Nigel finishes his journey, the tree will be waiting for him with open arms.
Mira can only see someone who attacked her mother, which is understandable for a child, and the tree wisely held her back so Mira wouldn't do something she'd later come to regret.
Much as I utterly dislike Nigel, he is going to have to grow up a bit if he's ever going to get unstuck. He has a long and painful road ahead of him, but I am certain that if the day comes where Nigel finishes his journey, the tree will be waiting for him with open arms.
For her own sake, she should let him in, as that's basically the one thing which can stop him from becoming more self-destructive at this point, or else stop him from becoming a danger to others. If she let him in, she'd have a hand on the wheel as far as he goes.
But, this will likely just turn into some nonsense about how she's right and how he's wrong, or how she was wrong but he was more wrong or some other nonsense. The only "defense" for her is splitting hairs over what makes someone "ready" or not. And if he has such great potential, she really shouldn't reject him. He's been so neglected that any potential left will be lost soon, assuming he even lives to try again. Really, she should just adopt him at this point to make sure he doesn't starve. Everyone seems to be forgetting that part. Get him some food and then a lecture about free will or some other crap.
But, this will likely just turn into some nonsense about how she's right and how he's wrong, or how she was wrong but he was more wrong or some other nonsense. The only "defense" for her is splitting hairs over what makes someone "ready" or not. And if he has such great potential, she really shouldn't reject him. He's been so neglected that any potential left will be lost soon, assuming he even lives to try again. Really, she should just adopt him at this point to make sure he doesn't starve. Everyone seems to be forgetting that part. Get him some food and then a lecture about free will or some other crap.
Yeah, that was the predictable result. You can't just tell a kid "It's okay if you're not a Guardian." when not becoming one basically resulted in his family becoming abusive towards him. What Luna should have done instead is go: "Alright, let me talk to your parents and give them a stern talking to for the way they have begun treating you."
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