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Finally, the cue de gra'! Grizzly Flats Railroad #2, the "Emma Nevada"! I fell in love with this locomotive the moment I saw a photo of her. Although her paintscheme and styling look reminisent of a locomotive from the 1870s, she is in fact a locomotive built in 1881 by the Baldwin locomotive works of Philadelphia PA.
She's a 3ft Narrow Gauge engine and I think was primarily used as a frieght hauler when she was in active service. That was before Ward Kimball, a famous Disney animator, saved her, as well as Coach #5, from the scrapper's torch way back in 1938. Ward and a few of his close friends and family restored the locomotive to her former glory in Ward's own back yard. Ward also collected two other locomotives. His engine #1, "Chloe" and #3, "Olomana". Both of which were 0-4-2 type engines, but #2 was still and was always his pride and joy.
Ward's private railroad was around 500 feet in length and was named the "Grizzly Flats Railroad". where he came up with the name I don't know, but its got quite a ring to it!
Sadly after Ward's passing in 2006 his famed private railway has fallen into dissaray. Weeds are growing every were. It all looks very sad and depressing, almost as iv the property itself is morning Ward's death. Fortuneately his collection has been donated to the Orange Empire Railway Museum in California. I'm hoping that eventually the museum will aquire the famous Grizzly Flats Depot, water tank, and windmill. It will make their deticated part of the museum all that much more complete.
Like Grizzly Flats Coach #5, I plan on modeling the Emma Nevada in On30. How I'll do it is a different story entirely! I thought about using a BLI C-16 Chassis to get the weel spacing to look proportional and take of the sencond rear driver, but the Emma Nevada has 41" diameter drivers. So the first two may be spaced too close together. I'm open to suggestions and ideas.
Anyway, I hope you all like her. I put a lot of effort into her.
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She's a 3ft Narrow Gauge engine and I think was primarily used as a frieght hauler when she was in active service. That was before Ward Kimball, a famous Disney animator, saved her, as well as Coach #5, from the scrapper's torch way back in 1938. Ward and a few of his close friends and family restored the locomotive to her former glory in Ward's own back yard. Ward also collected two other locomotives. His engine #1, "Chloe" and #3, "Olomana". Both of which were 0-4-2 type engines, but #2 was still and was always his pride and joy.
Ward's private railroad was around 500 feet in length and was named the "Grizzly Flats Railroad". where he came up with the name I don't know, but its got quite a ring to it!
Sadly after Ward's passing in 2006 his famed private railway has fallen into dissaray. Weeds are growing every were. It all looks very sad and depressing, almost as iv the property itself is morning Ward's death. Fortuneately his collection has been donated to the Orange Empire Railway Museum in California. I'm hoping that eventually the museum will aquire the famous Grizzly Flats Depot, water tank, and windmill. It will make their deticated part of the museum all that much more complete.
Like Grizzly Flats Coach #5, I plan on modeling the Emma Nevada in On30. How I'll do it is a different story entirely! I thought about using a BLI C-16 Chassis to get the weel spacing to look proportional and take of the sencond rear driver, but the Emma Nevada has 41" diameter drivers. So the first two may be spaced too close together. I'm open to suggestions and ideas.
Anyway, I hope you all like her. I put a lot of effort into her.
COMMENT IF YOU FAV PLEAS!!!
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How far do you live from Orange Empire Railway Museum? I often frequent the Riverside Live Steamers club in Hunter park, and I'm always looking for a good excuse to visit the OERM.
Anyhoo, I like the colors and the attention of detail you put in this image. Is the blue cladding on the boiler going to be nickel plate, or just painted blue? Either way it'll be a stunning model.
Anyhoo, I like the colors and the attention of detail you put in this image. Is the blue cladding on the boiler going to be nickel plate, or just painted blue? Either way it'll be a stunning model.
I live about 3,000 miles away... in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. ^^; I greatly disslike it here, but due to my circumstances I can't really do much about it. *shrugs*
I'm hoping to make it to Colorado eventually. Ah... Narrow Gauge Mecha!!! XDXDXD
But I do plan on visitng the OERM eventually. I'll need pleanty of high quality reference pics of the Grizzly Flats equipment.
I'm hoping to make it to Colorado eventually. Ah... Narrow Gauge Mecha!!! XDXDXD
But I do plan on visitng the OERM eventually. I'll need pleanty of high quality reference pics of the Grizzly Flats equipment.
Oh! And to answer your question about the boiler. I think, according to the photo I used as a ref, the boiler is clad in "russian iron". It was more of a gunmetal color, but often reflected the blue color of the sky, hence why many models with "russian iron" boilers are colored sky blue.
The blue on the biler of the Emma Nevada is actually a deeper shade of blue. It may have been a painted boiler jacket, I'm not sure. The color I used was the closest match I could get.
The blue on the biler of the Emma Nevada is actually a deeper shade of blue. It may have been a painted boiler jacket, I'm not sure. The color I used was the closest match I could get.
Well... if you look at the prototype (the real life engine) I would agree with you. The boiler does seem to be rather large for a 3ft gauge mogul. Proportionally speaking I'd say it almost looks like a standard gauge boiler on a NG chassis. Either way she is still loaded with charm. The main challenge is to somehow produce this engine in On30 scale.
Most deffinently. The most difficult part was the mural on the headlamp. I couldn't replicate it using markers, or at least not entirely. I used a Beige base colo and the used colored pencils for the rest. The end result is a remarkable, yet simplified, rendition of the headlamp.
For the eventual model I will build of her I'd like to take a trip to the museum where she is displayed. I'll take a great many number of reference pics. To reproduce the murals and painted artwork that adorns the engine I'll take a photo and then have the photo resized and turned into a set of custom decals.
For the eventual model I will build of her I'd like to take a trip to the museum where she is displayed. I'll take a great many number of reference pics. To reproduce the murals and painted artwork that adorns the engine I'll take a photo and then have the photo resized and turned into a set of custom decals.
I really like the history on this which gives it documentation of being saved by a true railfan who cared about his hobby.
Lots of really famous people have collected model trains so to see a story like this is very encouraging let alone great to read knowing there are and were people who are and were willing to carry on the histories of the hobby.
Lots of really famous people have collected model trains so to see a story like this is very encouraging let alone great to read knowing there are and were people who are and were willing to carry on the histories of the hobby.
I know exactly what you mean. If it weren't for my own personal finacial situation I'd be doing the same thing. One of my biggest concerns is for the "Colorado & Southern #9". A 2-6-0 tyep built by Danforth Cooke Co. in 1884. Originally for the Denver, South Park, & Pacific RR. Then railroad eventually fell under the ownership of the Colorado & Southern's narrow gauge devision and most of the Cooke 2-6-0s were rebuilt.
C&S #9 is the only one left and it was restored to operation a few years ago. It WAS (key word) operating on the Gerogetown Loop Railroad and then ubruptly stopped running. I've only heard rumors, but the people I've talked to are a fairly reliable source. From what I've heard, the engine crews were not experienced and the company running the whole thing didn't want to hire engine crews with experience. Also they were undermanned for maintainence crews. And to top it of, though I find it a little hard to believe, the trains #9 pulled were "Too Long" and or "Too Heavy". I find it odd because #9 was built as a freight hauling engine and pulled freight trains over the vary rails it used to haul tourists.
In short, I've drawn the conclusion that the people running the Georgetown Loop RR couldn't tell the difference between operating a railroad from their Mama's Teat... C&S #9 is arguably one of the most historical engines in all of Colorado, and due to the misstreatment of her on the GLRR she may end up in a "glass box" surounded by lights and collecting dust. Granted that's better than the scrapper's torch, but an engine of such significance should be operational.
Wow... I've really ranted on. Can you tell I have a passion for this sorta' thing?
C&S #9 is the only one left and it was restored to operation a few years ago. It WAS (key word) operating on the Gerogetown Loop Railroad and then ubruptly stopped running. I've only heard rumors, but the people I've talked to are a fairly reliable source. From what I've heard, the engine crews were not experienced and the company running the whole thing didn't want to hire engine crews with experience. Also they were undermanned for maintainence crews. And to top it of, though I find it a little hard to believe, the trains #9 pulled were "Too Long" and or "Too Heavy". I find it odd because #9 was built as a freight hauling engine and pulled freight trains over the vary rails it used to haul tourists.
In short, I've drawn the conclusion that the people running the Georgetown Loop RR couldn't tell the difference between operating a railroad from their Mama's Teat... C&S #9 is arguably one of the most historical engines in all of Colorado, and due to the misstreatment of her on the GLRR she may end up in a "glass box" surounded by lights and collecting dust. Granted that's better than the scrapper's torch, but an engine of such significance should be operational.
Wow... I've really ranted on. Can you tell I have a passion for this sorta' thing?
If there is anybody you can talk to about railroad history preservation I'm your man.
Though I do not follow steam or any of the life size garden railroads or models I do believe it's the fault of the company to not remember the heritage it has,
You know UP and NS are the only major class American railroads to be running steam of any type on a regular basis.
You'd think a corporation like those wouldn't give a shit.. But they do because they understand how important steam was to their very existence today.
If a company doesn't care, shame on them because preserving what we had in our past is vitally important because what we had in our past shaped us into the country we are today.
When you see Union Pacific and Norfolk Southern paying homage to what made them what they are the level of respect for them goes up higher then any other roads simply because they care.
People forget it's not the railroad itself which funds the steam, it's people who run it.
I've been in the cab of a steam engine and even got to sit in the hogger's chair as it was in operation. Let me tell you something really eye opening..
The people who run these steamers are railroaders themselves who have the steam hogger gene passed down from their fathers who did it before them.
That's what this company obviously does not get. If you don't preserve what got you to the point you are how can you call yourself a true American.
our country deserves to show off what made it into what it is now. All too often I hear more sad news about people giving up the goat. Here in my state for example up in Rusk Texas on the Texas State Railroad there has been talk of shutting it completely down to just static display because the people running it are tired of trying to reason with the state about keeping it in operation.
They have a couple steamers like the one in your picture plus an Alco steamer and everything is run by volunteers and not the park itself.
Think about it..
If the Texas State railroad at Rusk were to go quit what would it leave Texas steam wise? Nothing because most if not all of our steam is gone or on static display if you can find it.
We don't really have much steam here except in Rusk and maybe Alpine but I'm not too sure on this.
Our state is one of the best places in the country to preserve steam simply because the culture of the past still lingers like it does in much of the west.
We have so much history here it's a shame we can't respect it better like you guys are in Colorado but you know its not the call of me or you unfortunately.
People have to want to do this and be motivated which in recent years has almost evaporated because of the state of our country and the careless nature of our people in charge of our country.
Will it change? I don't know but what I do know is it's our fault if we let history turn to rust.
Though I do not follow steam or any of the life size garden railroads or models I do believe it's the fault of the company to not remember the heritage it has,
You know UP and NS are the only major class American railroads to be running steam of any type on a regular basis.
You'd think a corporation like those wouldn't give a shit.. But they do because they understand how important steam was to their very existence today.
If a company doesn't care, shame on them because preserving what we had in our past is vitally important because what we had in our past shaped us into the country we are today.
When you see Union Pacific and Norfolk Southern paying homage to what made them what they are the level of respect for them goes up higher then any other roads simply because they care.
People forget it's not the railroad itself which funds the steam, it's people who run it.
I've been in the cab of a steam engine and even got to sit in the hogger's chair as it was in operation. Let me tell you something really eye opening..
The people who run these steamers are railroaders themselves who have the steam hogger gene passed down from their fathers who did it before them.
That's what this company obviously does not get. If you don't preserve what got you to the point you are how can you call yourself a true American.
our country deserves to show off what made it into what it is now. All too often I hear more sad news about people giving up the goat. Here in my state for example up in Rusk Texas on the Texas State Railroad there has been talk of shutting it completely down to just static display because the people running it are tired of trying to reason with the state about keeping it in operation.
They have a couple steamers like the one in your picture plus an Alco steamer and everything is run by volunteers and not the park itself.
Think about it..
If the Texas State railroad at Rusk were to go quit what would it leave Texas steam wise? Nothing because most if not all of our steam is gone or on static display if you can find it.
We don't really have much steam here except in Rusk and maybe Alpine but I'm not too sure on this.
Our state is one of the best places in the country to preserve steam simply because the culture of the past still lingers like it does in much of the west.
We have so much history here it's a shame we can't respect it better like you guys are in Colorado but you know its not the call of me or you unfortunately.
People have to want to do this and be motivated which in recent years has almost evaporated because of the state of our country and the careless nature of our people in charge of our country.
Will it change? I don't know but what I do know is it's our fault if we let history turn to rust.
Amen to that. And actually, I don't live in Colorado. I'm just a HUGE narrow gauge steam buff who lives in South Carolina. XD
I guess what really ticks me off, going back to the Georgetown Loop, is that they proclaim themselves as a "Steam Railroad". They have at least two steamers on their roster, not including C&S #9. #12, which used to be a Hawiian Narrow Gauge loco, and a recently delivered #111. An outside framed 2-8-0 that is virtually identical to former GLRR engines #40 and 44. #44 is operating at the Colorado RR Museum in Gunnison CO. And last time I checked #40 was operating on the White Pass & Yukon Route in Alaska.
Well, when we finally rape the earth of all it's oil we may be forced to go back to steam power. Wouldn't that be ironic! XDXDXD
I bet they'll appreciate "Rusty Old Trains" then!
I guess what really ticks me off, going back to the Georgetown Loop, is that they proclaim themselves as a "Steam Railroad". They have at least two steamers on their roster, not including C&S #9. #12, which used to be a Hawiian Narrow Gauge loco, and a recently delivered #111. An outside framed 2-8-0 that is virtually identical to former GLRR engines #40 and 44. #44 is operating at the Colorado RR Museum in Gunnison CO. And last time I checked #40 was operating on the White Pass & Yukon Route in Alaska.
Well, when we finally rape the earth of all it's oil we may be forced to go back to steam power. Wouldn't that be ironic! XDXDXD
I bet they'll appreciate "Rusty Old Trains" then!
Hmmm, just to point out, for the sake of arguement, I think the "locomotive" for the Thunder Mountain ride was based off of the Grizzly Flats' locomotive #3 "Olomana". Last I checked that engine was on display at the Pennsylvania Railroad Museum across the street from the Strasburg Railroad. I say this becasue the Cjloe has a Radley Hunter style stack where as the Olomana has more of a Diamond type, like on the ride. Also the Chloe doesn't have a Saddle Tank and the Olomana does.
However I LOVE the Emma Nevada and is on my Top Five (Heck! Even my Top Three!!) XD list of favorite Narrow Gauge locomotives. I've been mauling over how I'm going to build a model of her in On30 scale. I'd be REAL helpful if I could find some scale plans. Not sure were to start though. *shrugs*
The model is for an eventual diorama I plan on building of the Grizzly Flats Railroad, including the famous Depot, in On30 scale/gauge. And speaking of the depot, since you mentioned being at the OERM on a daily bassis, do you know what happened to the Depot? It'd be a real crying shame if it were torn down. I've heard rumors about that.
However I LOVE the Emma Nevada and is on my Top Five (Heck! Even my Top Three!!) XD list of favorite Narrow Gauge locomotives. I've been mauling over how I'm going to build a model of her in On30 scale. I'd be REAL helpful if I could find some scale plans. Not sure were to start though. *shrugs*
The model is for an eventual diorama I plan on building of the Grizzly Flats Railroad, including the famous Depot, in On30 scale/gauge. And speaking of the depot, since you mentioned being at the OERM on a daily bassis, do you know what happened to the Depot? It'd be a real crying shame if it were torn down. I've heard rumors about that.
If you could get those plans I'd love you forever!! XD
It's been plagueing me as to how I've build a model of the Emma Nevada in On30. I've considered using a BLI (Broadway Limited Imports) C-16 and taking off the second to last driver, but I also think the drivers are too small. C-16s have 36" diameter drivers and I believe the Emma Nevada's are 41".
If I had some plans to go by I might be able to mill my own frames and what not. The only issue then would be the matter of gauge! Another modeling challenge will be Coach #5. I have a idea of splicing together 2 Bachmann On30 passnger cars and then modifying the roof ends. I don't know how the interior is set up exactly either. It's all for an On30 diorama I'm planning of the Grizzly Flats RR. Though I think I mentioned that before. ^^;
Also, no worries about the factoid mix up. We all do that on occasion. I can see the resembalence of the cars on the ride to the Grizzly Flats cars.
It's been plagueing me as to how I've build a model of the Emma Nevada in On30. I've considered using a BLI (Broadway Limited Imports) C-16 and taking off the second to last driver, but I also think the drivers are too small. C-16s have 36" diameter drivers and I believe the Emma Nevada's are 41".
If I had some plans to go by I might be able to mill my own frames and what not. The only issue then would be the matter of gauge! Another modeling challenge will be Coach #5. I have a idea of splicing together 2 Bachmann On30 passnger cars and then modifying the roof ends. I don't know how the interior is set up exactly either. It's all for an On30 diorama I'm planning of the Grizzly Flats RR. Though I think I mentioned that before. ^^;
Also, no worries about the factoid mix up. We all do that on occasion. I can see the resembalence of the cars on the ride to the Grizzly Flats cars.
I'd really appreciate that! I'm not totally sure on when I'll actually be able to work on the models, but it's good to get the planning done ahead of time!
I'm hoping I can find some old time coach lamps in O scale. I think PSC has them, I'll see if I can pick up a catolog sometime.
Anyway, again I thank you. It would help me out a lot!
I'm hoping I can find some old time coach lamps in O scale. I think PSC has them, I'll see if I can pick up a catolog sometime.
Anyway, again I thank you. It would help me out a lot!
The Chloe has no brakes!? That I didn't know! She's also a locomotive I'd like to model in On30. I'm just not sure where to start to find a suitable chassis for the model. I thought about the Bachmann On30 Porter. The drivers look about the right size in scale, but look too far apart.
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