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It means that trans people deserve the same rights as everyone else, and that bigotry and violence against them is unacceptable.
It's not a hard concept to understand if you're willing to actually listen, and are asking in good faith. Your claim that no progressives can explain what it means makes me think you are not asking in good faith.
It's not a hard concept to understand if you're willing to actually listen, and are asking in good faith. Your claim that no progressives can explain what it means makes me think you are not asking in good faith.
Thing is though, they already have the same rights as other people in the western world, now if you want to talk about places like Africa or the Middle East where they are actually oppressed and victims of violence there I can agree, they should be given the same rights as others. However, this phrase is always uttered by people from first world countries who never had any actual hardship (and no you can't draw a parallel between "misgendering" and stoning to death) in their lives and are just doing things to get attention. I mean a so called "right" for trans people is to be given free transitional surgery, do tell how is that a right? Why are the taxpayers to pay for someone's cosmetic surgeries when the tax money can be spent on far more beneficial things to society as a whole? That sounds like a PRIVILIGE to me. Or how is it a right to demand people be jailed/have their lives ruined beucase the "wrong pronouns" were used? Especially in the case of today where people (and I'm talking about the kind of people who think the "trans" in transgender means transcendended) make up those things on the fly thus you are always to not say the right thing.
I'm simply pointing out things some either willingly ignore or blissfully unaware of.
I'm simply pointing out things some either willingly ignore or blissfully unaware of.
Just because a group legally has the same rights does not mean those rights are evenly enforced. I live in a first-world country and have seen plenty of abuse and straight-up violence toward trans individuals and minority groups in general. A law does not change public opinion overnight: awareness and discussion is required to make progress. There are plenty of backward places even within first-world countries that have a long way to go before the lawful rights of all people are respected equally.
Also, hard disagree on the blanket statement that people from first world countries have never experienced any actual hardship. Saying that is like saying "because that surface isn't 2500 degrees, it isn't hot." Hardship does not have to be imminently life-threatening to be real. There are plenty of hungry, homeless, and desperate people even within first world countries.
To your point of tax-paid surgeries, I have not heard any such claims, but I do not know if they are applicable in my country or if that is a discussion happening elsewhere.
Also, hard disagree on the blanket statement that people from first world countries have never experienced any actual hardship. Saying that is like saying "because that surface isn't 2500 degrees, it isn't hot." Hardship does not have to be imminently life-threatening to be real. There are plenty of hungry, homeless, and desperate people even within first world countries.
To your point of tax-paid surgeries, I have not heard any such claims, but I do not know if they are applicable in my country or if that is a discussion happening elsewhere.
That's not what I said, what I said was that the people who always complain about all sorts of "hardships" tend to be lying through their teeth (mainly refering to those who live off of their parents' credit cards, having their daily starbucks, tweeting how bad they have it on their iPhones, etc) while people who actually have it hard are pushed aside or downplayed for whatever idiotic reason.
The argument they rely on, "other people have it worse elsewhere" is a logical fallacy known as the "fallacy of relative privation." Just because another person has "worse" or "more serious" problems does not mean anyone's problems cease to be problems.
They also straw manned relentlessly, nobody at the moment is arguing for tax funded trans healthcare, because only a few members of one party are even trying to get healthcare for everyone. They are clearly a US resident from their utter disdain for their fellow citizens, so it may just be best to block them.
They also straw manned relentlessly, nobody at the moment is arguing for tax funded trans healthcare, because only a few members of one party are even trying to get healthcare for everyone. They are clearly a US resident from their utter disdain for their fellow citizens, so it may just be best to block them.
Thanks for the information! I had never bothered to find the proper definition of strawman and didn't know that logical fallacy!
And also thanks for the quote below. I wish you the best. :)
As a US citizen myself, I'd like to say we're not all bad. It is definitely a mess over here though. :(
And also thanks for the quote below. I wish you the best. :)
As a US citizen myself, I'd like to say we're not all bad. It is definitely a mess over here though. :(
Legally having equal rights isn't the same as actually having them if police, courts,, schools, buisness, govt' etc can continue tio dsiscriminate without consequence. Or if people keep trying to take those rights away.
Who are you to say someone has not had actual hardship? Oddly enough -adn I'm sure its a big surprose to you- people can struggle to live in first world countries. They can be oppressed (sometimes violently) and they can be discriminated on. No-one is drawing comparisons to stoning to death but I may add that a lot of LBGT peoplehave been murderd in first world countries precisely because of who they are. The fact you deny that makes you a fucking disgrace.
'They are just doing it to get attention'. They said that in the 60's during the equal rights movement then. I'm sure if you were around then you'd be making excuses for Jim Crow laws.
So some countries there is more oppression. So what. Are you suggesting we do nothing to help secure true equality here until places like Siudi Arabia and N. Korea catch up? That's just stupid. Its like saying you'll continue to drop litter until everyone else stops. Its logic that looks weak in the playground. Its laughable coming from an adult.
People make arguments against taxpayers funding any medical services at all. And in the grand scheme of things funding gender transition is goigng to be drop in the ocean. It could be funded by making a tiny cut in the fat barrel of pork that's the military budget.
Who has been jailed for misgendering? I want to see this.
Despite what you might think you are only exposing how willingly ignorant and blissfully unaware you are. Maybe learn some stuff.
Who are you to say someone has not had actual hardship? Oddly enough -adn I'm sure its a big surprose to you- people can struggle to live in first world countries. They can be oppressed (sometimes violently) and they can be discriminated on. No-one is drawing comparisons to stoning to death but I may add that a lot of LBGT peoplehave been murderd in first world countries precisely because of who they are. The fact you deny that makes you a fucking disgrace.
'They are just doing it to get attention'. They said that in the 60's during the equal rights movement then. I'm sure if you were around then you'd be making excuses for Jim Crow laws.
So some countries there is more oppression. So what. Are you suggesting we do nothing to help secure true equality here until places like Siudi Arabia and N. Korea catch up? That's just stupid. Its like saying you'll continue to drop litter until everyone else stops. Its logic that looks weak in the playground. Its laughable coming from an adult.
People make arguments against taxpayers funding any medical services at all. And in the grand scheme of things funding gender transition is goigng to be drop in the ocean. It could be funded by making a tiny cut in the fat barrel of pork that's the military budget.
Who has been jailed for misgendering? I want to see this.
Despite what you might think you are only exposing how willingly ignorant and blissfully unaware you are. Maybe learn some stuff.
Again, you folks love to make the wrong interpretation intentionally to make the bad guy here... And really, you are trying to make me a defender of Jim Crow laws now? Wow, that's just low, paint me more like an enemy why don't you? Anything else I can be for you? Should I mention I'm a straight white male? Will that make me more of a horrible person? I love how you downplay oppression in other places because it's not like combating oppression is a worldwide effort or something...
Yet again you are actively misreading what I posted, I didn't say people WERE jailed, I said they WANT TO do that to people, how about you take a damn moment and read before you go on your tantrum?
If anyone needs to learn here is you, learn some reading comprehension.
Yet again you are actively misreading what I posted, I didn't say people WERE jailed, I said they WANT TO do that to people, how about you take a damn moment and read before you go on your tantrum?
If anyone needs to learn here is you, learn some reading comprehension.
No, Xanatien YOU are the bad guy. He never said anything mean towards us trans people, but you are being an absolute asshole to him. You will NEVER convince anyone like that, and that utterly detestable behaviour of yours is why people are increasingly turned off from LGBTQIA+ movement. You should be ashamed of your behaviour, and you need to rethink your debating strategy if you want to convince people. Stop putting words in their mouth and actually read what they say.
I'm not trying to convince him.
I'm trying to show that people will stand up to those who say that trans people do not deserve tax-funded healthcare, that they do not have a right to their feelings, that they do not have a right to be upset, and I will without hesitation block anyone who takes his side and who shares his viewpoints because those viewpoints get people killed. The idea that trans people just asking to be treated equally is answered with logical fallacy after logical fallacy is not a reasonable position, or one of logic.
It is abominable and I will not stand aside and let people tell the world what I or other people like me are like, how we're entitled, how we demand people to be jailed for misgendering others, and I can provide sources for what I say, while he cannot, and will not. So if you think me standing up for myself and others like me who were, are, and will be subject to actual discrimination is deplorable, then I have no more time for you either.
I am not debating him. His ideas are not worthy of debate. They deserve to be called out for the hate that they are, and torn apart. Because those same arguments he's making? Those were the same things that people said in the 1950's and 1960's to justify Jim Crow and to oppose the civil rights act. They just tailored the message a tiny little bit. Its the same hatred, just more politely phrased so that they can gaslight people into defending them. If you don't like how I call people out, and you want to debate with people that think I am not a person, good for you.
I have standards to uphold.
I'm trying to show that people will stand up to those who say that trans people do not deserve tax-funded healthcare, that they do not have a right to their feelings, that they do not have a right to be upset, and I will without hesitation block anyone who takes his side and who shares his viewpoints because those viewpoints get people killed. The idea that trans people just asking to be treated equally is answered with logical fallacy after logical fallacy is not a reasonable position, or one of logic.
It is abominable and I will not stand aside and let people tell the world what I or other people like me are like, how we're entitled, how we demand people to be jailed for misgendering others, and I can provide sources for what I say, while he cannot, and will not. So if you think me standing up for myself and others like me who were, are, and will be subject to actual discrimination is deplorable, then I have no more time for you either.
I am not debating him. His ideas are not worthy of debate. They deserve to be called out for the hate that they are, and torn apart. Because those same arguments he's making? Those were the same things that people said in the 1950's and 1960's to justify Jim Crow and to oppose the civil rights act. They just tailored the message a tiny little bit. Its the same hatred, just more politely phrased so that they can gaslight people into defending them. If you don't like how I call people out, and you want to debate with people that think I am not a person, good for you.
I have standards to uphold.
So am I. I don't tolerate being told to chill when I'm confronting someone who tells me I don't have a right to exist.
What someone else chooses to do is outside of my control. I do not, under any circumstances, have to sit down and negotiate with someone who has told me that I am not tolerating their intolerance. If someone else, like the above person, wants to do so, thats up to them and I applaud it, though it would not be my first instinct to do the same. I would defend myself from those who want to do us harm first. Then only engage those willing to debate in good faith.
What someone else chooses to do is outside of my control. I do not, under any circumstances, have to sit down and negotiate with someone who has told me that I am not tolerating their intolerance. If someone else, like the above person, wants to do so, thats up to them and I applaud it, though it would not be my first instinct to do the same. I would defend myself from those who want to do us harm first. Then only engage those willing to debate in good faith.
He never said you don't have a right to exist. Again, you're intentionally taking things the wrong way and blowing them waaay out of proportion. You compare them to events that affected a far greater, considerably more oppressed people within the country and pretend like your struggle is more important and more arduous than any other that's taken place, or at the very least just as treacherous. You're welcome to believe what you want to believe and interpret things however you please, but if you're going to do so, don't label people as something worse than what they actually are. This is why there are memes making fun of the furry community; entitlement and feelings of persecution run amok here and the last thing we need are more people crying wolf when it's nothing but the wind.
He said my right to exist is a privilege.
You can semantically lawyerize his phrasing however you want, that is entirely up to you. As far as I can determine, he meant exactly what he said, every single word, and I don't tolerate those who say that I must tolerate their intolerance, even if they dress it up in dog-whistles, fearmongering, like I want to take his freedom away or put him in prison for misgendering people, or have "extra" rights than he does, all I want is transgender healthcare to be covered like everyone else's healthcare, under single payer, and then he says "That sounds like a PRIVILIGE to me."
This is why I do not think that person is worth sitting down at the table with. Me having my healthcare covered is a privilege, and far too much to ask for. Me being asked to be called the right pronouns or name is too much of a burden. Me asking a job to not fire me for simply being trans is too much "extra." This is called a bad faith argument, and an unreasonable argument, and because I said that I will not debate with someone who does not recognize my RIGHT TO EXIST as a RIGHT, but its a privilege to not be bankrupted by medical bills, or to be stuck in a body where the dysphoria is so strong it contributed to ongoing depression for years.
If you think I'm the bad person for not wanting to debate with THAT ideology, and you think that I'm unreasonable for not agreeing with someone who thinks thats a reasonable position to start a debate from, okay, there is literally nothing more we have to discuss.
You can semantically lawyerize his phrasing however you want, that is entirely up to you. As far as I can determine, he meant exactly what he said, every single word, and I don't tolerate those who say that I must tolerate their intolerance, even if they dress it up in dog-whistles, fearmongering, like I want to take his freedom away or put him in prison for misgendering people, or have "extra" rights than he does, all I want is transgender healthcare to be covered like everyone else's healthcare, under single payer, and then he says "That sounds like a PRIVILIGE to me."
This is why I do not think that person is worth sitting down at the table with. Me having my healthcare covered is a privilege, and far too much to ask for. Me being asked to be called the right pronouns or name is too much of a burden. Me asking a job to not fire me for simply being trans is too much "extra." This is called a bad faith argument, and an unreasonable argument, and because I said that I will not debate with someone who does not recognize my RIGHT TO EXIST as a RIGHT, but its a privilege to not be bankrupted by medical bills, or to be stuck in a body where the dysphoria is so strong it contributed to ongoing depression for years.
If you think I'm the bad person for not wanting to debate with THAT ideology, and you think that I'm unreasonable for not agreeing with someone who thinks thats a reasonable position to start a debate from, okay, there is literally nothing more we have to discuss.
You don't really have a choice with people like that. You try the soft approach they just laugh and spit in your face, call you weak, ignore every word you say. You have to speak in terms they understand, and they only understand browbeating and namecalling. Trying to debate them on this is pretty pointless as a whole but if you're gonna try you stand the best chance speaking to them the way they speak to you.
They don't use logic and reason to argue.
They don't use logic and reason to argue.
Well yes. Because in your determination to belittle and dismiss the call for trans rights (claiming that trans people have those rights when they don't) you are in effect just like those pople who campaigned against equal rights in the 60's. You use the same language. You use the same tactics.
Perhaps you don't realize it because you don't know what you're talking about.
However its clear you just don't care about people who are not like you.
And I know you'll protest that -you might even believe it yourself- but everyone will see that as a lie.
You dismiss the persecution that people continue to suffer on your own doorstop. Sure, overall, the persecution may be less than somewhere like Iran, but individual cases can be every bit as savage and deadly. This isn't a persecution Olympics. You don't go round saying "Well I can't help you because someone is probably worse off somewhere in the world."
This anti-trans persecution is having very real, negative affect on people in your own county -your fellow citizens- and you should care. Just for that reason. But all you do is deny it ever happens.
You have the gall to come onto a site serving a fandom with a large LGTB+ population and claim they aren't persecuted. Its just them seeking attention.
*I'll reproduce it here so you can't claim you didn't write it.*
"However, this phrase [Trans Rights are Human Rights] is always uttered by people from first world countries who never had any actual hardship (and no you can't draw a parallel between "misgendering" and stoning to death) in their lives and are just doing things to get attention."
How insulting. How ignorant. With all due disprespect, Fuck You!
I'm not downplaying oppression like you claim. You are. You're the one making dumb comparisons between the first and the third world. Its there in text. Anyone can read it. Here it is.
"Thing is though, they already have the same rights as other people in the western world, now if you want to talk about places like Africa or the Middle East where they are actually oppressed and victims of violence there I can agree, they should be given the same rights as others"
I stand by my words. You deny yours and project.
And like a bully caught in the act you're now whining and playing the victim card.
But guess what? It won't wash.
No-one cares if you are a straight white male. It fucking irrelevent. You are not the victim. You are not being opressed. You are not being persecuted. It just that people are replying to your comments and disagreeing with you. That is all.
All your reasoning is based on made up hyperbole. No-one is suggesting that people be locked up simply for misgendering people. This is the tin-foil hat lunacy spouted by Tucker Carlon, those loons at Breitbart and that crazy guy on Info Wars.
And I can tell you watch those guys and listen to them because you are using the exact some talking points they use. Its so predictable. And the fact you' ve fallen for it shows how far gone you are.
Dull-witted and incurious. Scared of the other because some angry pundits told you to be. Despately seeking confirmation of your biases in the same hate-fueled echo chambers lest a brush with reality forces you to engage in introspection and challenge what you previously assumed.. This is you to a 't'.
Perhaps you don't realize it because you don't know what you're talking about.
However its clear you just don't care about people who are not like you.
And I know you'll protest that -you might even believe it yourself- but everyone will see that as a lie.
You dismiss the persecution that people continue to suffer on your own doorstop. Sure, overall, the persecution may be less than somewhere like Iran, but individual cases can be every bit as savage and deadly. This isn't a persecution Olympics. You don't go round saying "Well I can't help you because someone is probably worse off somewhere in the world."
This anti-trans persecution is having very real, negative affect on people in your own county -your fellow citizens- and you should care. Just for that reason. But all you do is deny it ever happens.
You have the gall to come onto a site serving a fandom with a large LGTB+ population and claim they aren't persecuted. Its just them seeking attention.
*I'll reproduce it here so you can't claim you didn't write it.*
"However, this phrase [Trans Rights are Human Rights] is always uttered by people from first world countries who never had any actual hardship (and no you can't draw a parallel between "misgendering" and stoning to death) in their lives and are just doing things to get attention."
How insulting. How ignorant. With all due disprespect, Fuck You!
I'm not downplaying oppression like you claim. You are. You're the one making dumb comparisons between the first and the third world. Its there in text. Anyone can read it. Here it is.
"Thing is though, they already have the same rights as other people in the western world, now if you want to talk about places like Africa or the Middle East where they are actually oppressed and victims of violence there I can agree, they should be given the same rights as others"
I stand by my words. You deny yours and project.
And like a bully caught in the act you're now whining and playing the victim card.
But guess what? It won't wash.
No-one cares if you are a straight white male. It fucking irrelevent. You are not the victim. You are not being opressed. You are not being persecuted. It just that people are replying to your comments and disagreeing with you. That is all.
All your reasoning is based on made up hyperbole. No-one is suggesting that people be locked up simply for misgendering people. This is the tin-foil hat lunacy spouted by Tucker Carlon, those loons at Breitbart and that crazy guy on Info Wars.
And I can tell you watch those guys and listen to them because you are using the exact some talking points they use. Its so predictable. And the fact you' ve fallen for it shows how far gone you are.
Dull-witted and incurious. Scared of the other because some angry pundits told you to be. Despately seeking confirmation of your biases in the same hate-fueled echo chambers lest a brush with reality forces you to engage in introspection and challenge what you previously assumed.. This is you to a 't'.
Trans people are the most murdered minority in the US out of all of minorities. Source.
The right to live in peace would be nice.
You also have people like Greg Steube (R-FL,) saying shit like "“By forcing biological female athletes to compete against biological male athletes in competitive sports, we are taking away women’s opportunities on and off the field,” which demonstrates an insane lack of knowledge, care, or due diligence on his part and his staff's part to understand even the most basic science concerning trans rights. This guy is in Congress, he's making laws which intentionally discriminate, because he would rather fearmonger to whip his base up than be honest. Source.
Here's a list of all the states that have bills forcing trans people to not go to the right bathroom.
Oh, and just in case I forgot to mention, it is legal to fire someone from any non-federal job for being trans or gay. Once you also factor in right-to-work laws, which are effectively only in existence to kneecap union protections for workers, the employer can fire you for any reason they want, so it also becomes effectively impossible for people to properly litigate a wrongful firing.
However, this phrase is always uttered by people from first world countries who never had any actual hardship
This is a logical fallacy known as the "Fallacy of relative privation." It states that "just because other people have it worse means your problems are irrelevant," It is known as a logical fallacy because it does not follow any argumentative rules of proof and a person's problems are still their problems and they still matter and exist no matter what problems people in other countries have.
(and no you can't draw a parallel between "misgendering" and stoning to death)
This is what's called a straw man. Nobody said it was. Nobody said that being misgendered was equivalent to being stoned to death or that there was any parallel. A straw man is deliberately creating a caricature of your opponent's argument which is so absurd that it no longer resembles the original argument, just so you can kick it over and declare victory.
I mean a so called "right" for trans people is to be given free transitional surgery, do tell how is that a right?
Health care is a right. It says so in the UN human rights charter. Every single other developed country in the world has some form of single payer healthcare where healthcare is a right. Canada, the UK, Netherlands, Germany, France, Italy, Brazil, Mexico, Japan, South Korea, Greece, all of them have single payer in some form or another. It is only the US where you're limited to the type and quality of healthcare purely by the size of your wallet. It is only the US out of all developed nations that says health care is not a right.
And yes, that involves trans healthcare.
Why are the taxpayers to pay for someone's cosmetic surgeries when the tax money can be spent on far more beneficial things to society as a whole?
I mean, we just wasted, and it was a complete farce, over $2.6 TRILLION dollars in Afghanistan over 20 years just to achieve regime change from the Taliban to the Taliban, so maybe we have an absurd amount of money that can be used for healthcare, but it is simply chosen not to be done.
That sounds like a PRIVILIGE to me.
Yes, it sounds like you have quite the privilege, being born into a body where your identity and your physical body match, hence why you can't provide the slightest shred of empathy for others who might not have that. It is not a privilege to be happy, that is a right. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, right? Isn't that the quote?
Or how is it a right to demand people be jailed/have their lives ruined beucase the "wrong pronouns" were used?
This is another straw man. Nobody is demanding this, and certainly no lawmaker is demanding this, meanwhile in Florida, a bill passed where TEENAGERS can have someone demand to see their genitals or be forced out of any activity that the school boards feel is appropriate to exclude them from.
Especially in the case of today where people (and I'm talking about the kind of people who think the "trans" in transgender means transcendended) make up those things on the fly thus you are always to not say the right thing.
This is YET ANOTHER straw man. Who gives a fuck about what some loopy dipshit who says "Trans = transcended" says? There is no threat to you in any conceivable way, yet you have only vomited forth Fox News rhetoric about how awful trans people are, how they want to hurt your rights, how they want to take advantage of you, and as a trans person, I can practically smell the fear and hate borne from a complete lack of understanding of any trans issue, because you yourself only know the most superficial veneer of what goes on in trans people's lives. You aren't empathetic. You embraced the "rugged individualism" just like the propaganda wants you to, because when you address issues as a community, you can negotiate and compromise.
Instead, you want to assert that trans people have MORE power than cisgender, straight, terrified old white men, who want to pre-emptively set up a new series of Jim Crow laws to discriminate against trans people.
I have no clue how a person like you can look in the mirror and be happy with your life, when you assert you know everything, you assert that trans people have the most power when the smallest minority in the US has zero representation in congress, and states are passing laws right and left to encroach on my rights, while you sit there and lecture me about how good I've got it.
I'm simply pointing out things some either willingly ignore or blissfully unaware of.
No. You are a bigot, and you are espousing your bigoted, fear-driven hate, with no time taken whatsoever to take an objective look at what's actually happening, because the news you turn on every night is scaring the fuck out of you, and helping you to justify your pathetic hatred. You don't know shit, and you are only pointing out a warning sign for people who actually care that there are people who state shit like this in complete seriousness with a demand for us to tolerate your intolerance.
The right to live in peace would be nice.
You also have people like Greg Steube (R-FL,) saying shit like "“By forcing biological female athletes to compete against biological male athletes in competitive sports, we are taking away women’s opportunities on and off the field,” which demonstrates an insane lack of knowledge, care, or due diligence on his part and his staff's part to understand even the most basic science concerning trans rights. This guy is in Congress, he's making laws which intentionally discriminate, because he would rather fearmonger to whip his base up than be honest. Source.
Here's a list of all the states that have bills forcing trans people to not go to the right bathroom.
Oh, and just in case I forgot to mention, it is legal to fire someone from any non-federal job for being trans or gay. Once you also factor in right-to-work laws, which are effectively only in existence to kneecap union protections for workers, the employer can fire you for any reason they want, so it also becomes effectively impossible for people to properly litigate a wrongful firing.
However, this phrase is always uttered by people from first world countries who never had any actual hardship
This is a logical fallacy known as the "Fallacy of relative privation." It states that "just because other people have it worse means your problems are irrelevant," It is known as a logical fallacy because it does not follow any argumentative rules of proof and a person's problems are still their problems and they still matter and exist no matter what problems people in other countries have.
(and no you can't draw a parallel between "misgendering" and stoning to death)
This is what's called a straw man. Nobody said it was. Nobody said that being misgendered was equivalent to being stoned to death or that there was any parallel. A straw man is deliberately creating a caricature of your opponent's argument which is so absurd that it no longer resembles the original argument, just so you can kick it over and declare victory.
I mean a so called "right" for trans people is to be given free transitional surgery, do tell how is that a right?
Health care is a right. It says so in the UN human rights charter. Every single other developed country in the world has some form of single payer healthcare where healthcare is a right. Canada, the UK, Netherlands, Germany, France, Italy, Brazil, Mexico, Japan, South Korea, Greece, all of them have single payer in some form or another. It is only the US where you're limited to the type and quality of healthcare purely by the size of your wallet. It is only the US out of all developed nations that says health care is not a right.
And yes, that involves trans healthcare.
Why are the taxpayers to pay for someone's cosmetic surgeries when the tax money can be spent on far more beneficial things to society as a whole?
I mean, we just wasted, and it was a complete farce, over $2.6 TRILLION dollars in Afghanistan over 20 years just to achieve regime change from the Taliban to the Taliban, so maybe we have an absurd amount of money that can be used for healthcare, but it is simply chosen not to be done.
That sounds like a PRIVILIGE to me.
Yes, it sounds like you have quite the privilege, being born into a body where your identity and your physical body match, hence why you can't provide the slightest shred of empathy for others who might not have that. It is not a privilege to be happy, that is a right. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, right? Isn't that the quote?
Or how is it a right to demand people be jailed/have their lives ruined beucase the "wrong pronouns" were used?
This is another straw man. Nobody is demanding this, and certainly no lawmaker is demanding this, meanwhile in Florida, a bill passed where TEENAGERS can have someone demand to see their genitals or be forced out of any activity that the school boards feel is appropriate to exclude them from.
Especially in the case of today where people (and I'm talking about the kind of people who think the "trans" in transgender means transcendended) make up those things on the fly thus you are always to not say the right thing.
This is YET ANOTHER straw man. Who gives a fuck about what some loopy dipshit who says "Trans = transcended" says? There is no threat to you in any conceivable way, yet you have only vomited forth Fox News rhetoric about how awful trans people are, how they want to hurt your rights, how they want to take advantage of you, and as a trans person, I can practically smell the fear and hate borne from a complete lack of understanding of any trans issue, because you yourself only know the most superficial veneer of what goes on in trans people's lives. You aren't empathetic. You embraced the "rugged individualism" just like the propaganda wants you to, because when you address issues as a community, you can negotiate and compromise.
Instead, you want to assert that trans people have MORE power than cisgender, straight, terrified old white men, who want to pre-emptively set up a new series of Jim Crow laws to discriminate against trans people.
I have no clue how a person like you can look in the mirror and be happy with your life, when you assert you know everything, you assert that trans people have the most power when the smallest minority in the US has zero representation in congress, and states are passing laws right and left to encroach on my rights, while you sit there and lecture me about how good I've got it.
I'm simply pointing out things some either willingly ignore or blissfully unaware of.
No. You are a bigot, and you are espousing your bigoted, fear-driven hate, with no time taken whatsoever to take an objective look at what's actually happening, because the news you turn on every night is scaring the fuck out of you, and helping you to justify your pathetic hatred. You don't know shit, and you are only pointing out a warning sign for people who actually care that there are people who state shit like this in complete seriousness with a demand for us to tolerate your intolerance.
In April, I had - what would be considered in the US to be - a cosmetic surgery (Gastric sleeve). As such, it was never covered by any insurance I had in the 32 years I lived there. However, because I live in Sweden now, and there exists here socialized medicine, I was able to get it and only pay the costs for the hospital stay. I have not had a single person tell me that they don't want their taxes paying for my surgery, as it was something that I needed to make my life and health better(I needed to lose weight). I have not had a single person complain that I shouldn't be able to go to the doctor for very cheap or go to school for free due to their taxes, either, because everyone knows that they or someone they love might need those same programs in their own life.
That's the thing: people who are transgender and want to go through the surgery do so because it affects their health. Depression and anxiety are more than just mental illnesses, they affect your entire life, from energy to self-esteem/worth on up to the ability to concentrate, to heart disease. I know this from my own experience, struggling with depression and anxiety for 25 years.
I know at least transgender people, and I've never heard of someone "demand people be jailed/have their lives ruined because the "wrong pronouns" were used"(your words) once or twice. However, repeatedly doing so is quite rude; it means that you don't respect the person, to be frank. I am female, and it bothers me when people call me 'dude', because to me that always holds male connotations. If someone continued to call me dude after I asked them to stop, I would be quite upset, and I'd ask them to not be around me, but never say they should be jailed or had their lives ruined.
I think if you have all these thoughts, it is not the transgender who are privileged, it is you for having a life that has never faced adversity.
Oh, and by the way: you can live in a first world country and be a victim of violence and oppression. Racism and sexism exist in every country of the world.
That's the thing: people who are transgender and want to go through the surgery do so because it affects their health. Depression and anxiety are more than just mental illnesses, they affect your entire life, from energy to self-esteem/worth on up to the ability to concentrate, to heart disease. I know this from my own experience, struggling with depression and anxiety for 25 years.
I know at least transgender people, and I've never heard of someone "demand people be jailed/have their lives ruined because the "wrong pronouns" were used"(your words) once or twice. However, repeatedly doing so is quite rude; it means that you don't respect the person, to be frank. I am female, and it bothers me when people call me 'dude', because to me that always holds male connotations. If someone continued to call me dude after I asked them to stop, I would be quite upset, and I'd ask them to not be around me, but never say they should be jailed or had their lives ruined.
I think if you have all these thoughts, it is not the transgender who are privileged, it is you for having a life that has never faced adversity.
Oh, and by the way: you can live in a first world country and be a victim of violence and oppression. Racism and sexism exist in every country of the world.
I actually just saw a comic that reminded me of this.
https://br.ifunny.co/picture/west-n.....nd-i-77Sf5kmC8
https://br.ifunny.co/picture/west-n.....nd-i-77Sf5kmC8
There is nothing wrong with seeing transgender individuals as human beings. It's not rocket science, kiddo. Pity you have a problem with someone that does see them as human beings.
You certainly sound like you're afraid of them given you're still being salty about it with others.
You certainly sound like you're afraid of them given you're still being salty about it with others.
It means that laws infringing the rights of trans people don't just harm trans people, but also cis people. Transphobes try to act like trans rights are something completely separate from general human rights and that if we just let them oppress trans people, they'll leave the rest of us alone. What they really want the power to oppress everyone and transphobia is just the excuse they think will get it for them.
An obvious example is laws excluding trans women from female spaces are often falsely justified as "protecting" cis women, when in practice they end up also getting used to harass cis women who aren't "sufficiently" feminine, because transphobes really want to make themselves the gender-norm police for everyone.
An obvious example is laws excluding trans women from female spaces are often falsely justified as "protecting" cis women, when in practice they end up also getting used to harass cis women who aren't "sufficiently" feminine, because transphobes really want to make themselves the gender-norm police for everyone.
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