Don't get your tails in a fluff, folks.. I'm not 'reachin out' or bein 'emo'... Actually.. this started out as something else I just couldn't get right.. decided to beat up on ol' stripeless Gibb here just a tad instead.....
Don't have enough focus today.. Just iriksome as hell.. So I bloodied up my face and left it as is.
I'm © me even without stripes.. blah blah etc.
Don't think I'll ever touch this one again. If I do, it'll go to scraps.
Category Scraps / Doodle
Species Wolf
Size 746 x 414px
File Size 95.2 kB
That would be one hell of a nasty way to go. I don't think he's gonna die though.. o_o Better not.. Since he's me.. *gags a little* nasty nasty nasty...
I've sadly seen poisons in action .. Incredibly unpleasant.. I was not a happy camper about the use of it..... A neighbor of ours was using it to kill stray cats under his porch when I was still living in the South.. I was all of.. what.. 15 at the time? I had a fit..
"They won't feel it!" He said..
That's absolute bullshit.. Look into that creatures eyes while it convulses, foams and spits up flecks of blood and tell me it doesn't feel it..
argh.. sorry.. /rant. >_>
I've sadly seen poisons in action .. Incredibly unpleasant.. I was not a happy camper about the use of it..... A neighbor of ours was using it to kill stray cats under his porch when I was still living in the South.. I was all of.. what.. 15 at the time? I had a fit..
"They won't feel it!" He said..
That's absolute bullshit.. Look into that creatures eyes while it convulses, foams and spits up flecks of blood and tell me it doesn't feel it..
argh.. sorry.. /rant. >_>
Hehehe! I'm sure it is! You're always quite helpful with the medical advice!
I wonder though.. is there really an antidote for 10-80 poisoning? The best I'd know would be a stomach full of charcoal paste (or whatever the stuff is they use when dogs swallow poisons.. I know it's charcoal something or other) to try to absorb the poison.. and then it'd have to be administered very quickly..
Augh that stuff.. awful awful
I wonder though.. is there really an antidote for 10-80 poisoning? The best I'd know would be a stomach full of charcoal paste (or whatever the stuff is they use when dogs swallow poisons.. I know it's charcoal something or other) to try to absorb the poison.. and then it'd have to be administered very quickly..
Augh that stuff.. awful awful
You are correct - that is the first step. Activated carbon (sometimes called activated charcoal) can absorbe about 87% of this poison before it is absorbed, if administeded quickly enough. Any drug store or poison control center will have it. Calcium gluconate (available at any dietary supplement store) comes next, along with sodium succinate. For more, go to
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/
and type the following into the search box:
fluroacetate antidote
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/
and type the following into the search box:
fluroacetate antidote
There are othe effective ways to protect livestock. I read about an experiment where sheep carcases were injected with lithium chloride; it is impossible to be injured from a single acute oral dose since it induces such strong nausea that vomiting limits the amount absorbed. Coyotes were put into a chainlink fenced large pasture. They chased, killed, and ate some of the sheep. Then they were given LiCl doped sheep carcases, which they ate - and then they barfed like hell. The coyotes not only stopped chasing the sheep, they had such a strong conditioned aversion to sheep that they actually became afraid of the sheep. The sheep soon figured this out, and began chasing and terrorizing the coyotes! This makes a lot more sense than poisoning them. Rabbits are a big problem in Australia (they eat the same vegetation as the sheep), and dingos eat them.
Most ranchers shoot coyotes. Coyotes follow a cow about to give birth, and when the calf is half way out, the coyotes rip its throat out while the mother cow is unable to defend it. After about a day, the mother cow will abandon the dead calf, and the coyotes will eat it.
I had observed packs of coyotes following my cows at calving time, and was designing an ultra long range rifle (.50 cal Browning machine gun case necked down to .416 cal, 48" barrel, burning 30 mm cannon powder) to reach out a mile and a half. I was about to start ordering the rifle parts and wildcat case reforming dies when I saw the most astounding site:
I saw a cloud of dust a mile away in my pasture. I thought that a trespasser had cut my fence and was riding a trail bike or ATV along the bottom of a dry irrigation ditch. I grabbed my binoculars and saw that one of my three bulls was pawing the ground. Then my second bull pawed th ground, then the third. The cattle were grazing, spread out evenly over an arc about 1/3 of a mile wide. They ALL turned in unison, and all began running in the same direction, perfectly spaced, in a perfect arc, the three bulls one body length ahead of the cows. As the arc converged, I looked at the focus of the charge - it was a pack of coyotes! It was an absolutely flawlessly executed calvery charge! No movie, no 19th century elite calvery corps, could have done it with greater perfection. It was literally absolutely perfect. As 90 cows and bulls converged on the coyote pack, the coyotes ran for their lives. If they had been 100 yards farther from the fence, they all would have been killed.
The coyotes no longer follow my cows, even during calving season. Coyotes are very smart - I had always realized that. But that day, I learned that my cows were far more intelligent (at least in a specific area that was important for their survival) than I had realized.
I would not have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes. None of my rancher friends had ever seen anything like it.
My genetic improvement program involved catching wild cows from the very worst range areas anywhere in Nevada, and using them as breeding stock because the brutal natural selection had resulted in a markedly improved mitochondrial genome. It hadn't occured to me that it would also have selected for superior intelligence and herd cooperation.
The coyotes and I get along magnificently. They are not afraid of me, and purposely parade in front of me, probably to assert their territorial ownership. They eat the rabbits, mice, and other rodents that eat the same vegetation as my cows.
The four packs of coyotes that have divided my most productive irrigated ranch between them and I howl at eachother in the moonlight to proclaim our territories. It is a pleasure beyond words to be a furry rancher in the wilds of central Nevada. It is heaven without having to die to get there...
Most ranchers shoot coyotes. Coyotes follow a cow about to give birth, and when the calf is half way out, the coyotes rip its throat out while the mother cow is unable to defend it. After about a day, the mother cow will abandon the dead calf, and the coyotes will eat it.
I had observed packs of coyotes following my cows at calving time, and was designing an ultra long range rifle (.50 cal Browning machine gun case necked down to .416 cal, 48" barrel, burning 30 mm cannon powder) to reach out a mile and a half. I was about to start ordering the rifle parts and wildcat case reforming dies when I saw the most astounding site:
I saw a cloud of dust a mile away in my pasture. I thought that a trespasser had cut my fence and was riding a trail bike or ATV along the bottom of a dry irrigation ditch. I grabbed my binoculars and saw that one of my three bulls was pawing the ground. Then my second bull pawed th ground, then the third. The cattle were grazing, spread out evenly over an arc about 1/3 of a mile wide. They ALL turned in unison, and all began running in the same direction, perfectly spaced, in a perfect arc, the three bulls one body length ahead of the cows. As the arc converged, I looked at the focus of the charge - it was a pack of coyotes! It was an absolutely flawlessly executed calvery charge! No movie, no 19th century elite calvery corps, could have done it with greater perfection. It was literally absolutely perfect. As 90 cows and bulls converged on the coyote pack, the coyotes ran for their lives. If they had been 100 yards farther from the fence, they all would have been killed.
The coyotes no longer follow my cows, even during calving season. Coyotes are very smart - I had always realized that. But that day, I learned that my cows were far more intelligent (at least in a specific area that was important for their survival) than I had realized.
I would not have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes. None of my rancher friends had ever seen anything like it.
My genetic improvement program involved catching wild cows from the very worst range areas anywhere in Nevada, and using them as breeding stock because the brutal natural selection had resulted in a markedly improved mitochondrial genome. It hadn't occured to me that it would also have selected for superior intelligence and herd cooperation.
The coyotes and I get along magnificently. They are not afraid of me, and purposely parade in front of me, probably to assert their territorial ownership. They eat the rabbits, mice, and other rodents that eat the same vegetation as my cows.
The four packs of coyotes that have divided my most productive irrigated ranch between them and I howl at eachother in the moonlight to proclaim our territories. It is a pleasure beyond words to be a furry rancher in the wilds of central Nevada. It is heaven without having to die to get there...
That sounds possitively amazing. I wish I could have been there to see it! ^_^ If I'm ever flying over Nevada on a trip, I'll be waving from the sky in a vague hope you'll notice the little blip that is me. ^_^ A longshot, perhaps, but who knows.
And yes, that does sound like a much better way of taking care of a predator problem. Most farmers and ranchers (yourself excluded) seem not to care as long as the option is easy and fast.
And yes, that does sound like a much better way of taking care of a predator problem. Most farmers and ranchers (yourself excluded) seem not to care as long as the option is easy and fast.
I would like very much for you to come visit me in Nevada. Just for the heck of it, check discount plane ticket prices from whereever you live to either Las Vegas or Reno, which are the cloest airports where I could pick you up. Of course, you will want to get to know me a lot longer and better before planning a visit, but it would be nice to know size of the cost barrier.
I beg to disagree with you about ranchers and farmers blindly looking for quick fixes. Many of the ranchers and farmers that I know are 4th, 5th, and even 6th generation owners who take an extremely long term view of the health of their land.
My rancher friends shoot coyotes because their cattle are, in my opinion, a bit too domesticated for their own good out here in the wilds of central Nevada; they don't have as good wild survival skills as mine have.
A big problem with poisons is the extremely expensive government approval process they must go through. There is one manufacturer of 10-80, so they could afford the many millions of dollars in approval costs. If someone were to start selling lithium chloride for the aversive training of coyotes without going through the very expensive poison registration process, they would end up in federal prison. Since there are many manufacturers of LiCl, and no patents, no party could ever recover their regulatory investment, because once approved, anyone could sell it without having to pay that huge startup cost. The fact that the LiCl wouldn't kill a single coyote is legally irrevelant - that use would require registration as a poison, even though it wasn't being used to kill anything. The federalies have done the same insane thing with insect pheromones; they must be approved as pesticides, even though they are not poisons. Government is often the enemy of rationality, and much suffering and death is often the consequence.
Whenever someone says "There out to be a law," they are really saying that potentially lethal force should be administered by a gang of armed thugs who are subject to vastly fewer restraints and penalities than you or I for killing innocent people.
I beg to disagree with you about ranchers and farmers blindly looking for quick fixes. Many of the ranchers and farmers that I know are 4th, 5th, and even 6th generation owners who take an extremely long term view of the health of their land.
My rancher friends shoot coyotes because their cattle are, in my opinion, a bit too domesticated for their own good out here in the wilds of central Nevada; they don't have as good wild survival skills as mine have.
A big problem with poisons is the extremely expensive government approval process they must go through. There is one manufacturer of 10-80, so they could afford the many millions of dollars in approval costs. If someone were to start selling lithium chloride for the aversive training of coyotes without going through the very expensive poison registration process, they would end up in federal prison. Since there are many manufacturers of LiCl, and no patents, no party could ever recover their regulatory investment, because once approved, anyone could sell it without having to pay that huge startup cost. The fact that the LiCl wouldn't kill a single coyote is legally irrevelant - that use would require registration as a poison, even though it wasn't being used to kill anything. The federalies have done the same insane thing with insect pheromones; they must be approved as pesticides, even though they are not poisons. Government is often the enemy of rationality, and much suffering and death is often the consequence.
Whenever someone says "There out to be a law," they are really saying that potentially lethal force should be administered by a gang of armed thugs who are subject to vastly fewer restraints and penalities than you or I for killing innocent people.
It's very true! Sorry, I didn't really mean to imply what I said, i was just having trouble saying what I actually meant, and it came out wrong. I'm not sure I can really rectify the statement without a lengthy and possibly circular -novel- on what I really feel. I'm afraid I don't have the time or the presence of brain at this moment, as I've taken an allergy pill that's threatening my wakefulness. I do agree with you on the point of it, though.
Perhaps sometime when we do know each other better, we'll have a chance to have a get together and a long sit-down chat. That would be lovely.
I'll have to have a look at the prices, as you said, just to give an idea. Possibly after I've had a nap. Although maybe not until tomorrow, as I've got a birthday and St. Patty's day to finish celebrating after (if I manage) the aforementioned nap.
Perhaps sometime when we do know each other better, we'll have a chance to have a get together and a long sit-down chat. That would be lovely.
I'll have to have a look at the prices, as you said, just to give an idea. Possibly after I've had a nap. Although maybe not until tomorrow, as I've got a birthday and St. Patty's day to finish celebrating after (if I manage) the aforementioned nap.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, AND MAY YOU HAVE MANY MORE!!!!
I have finished and uploaded the second part of Foxy's Pole Dance story, "Foxy In Freefall"
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/444535/
I'm well into my coloring of your wonderful gift art "Foxy's Ascension", and am very actively working on the accompanying story.
Thanks again!!!!
I have finished and uploaded the second part of Foxy's Pole Dance story, "Foxy In Freefall"
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/444535/
I'm well into my coloring of your wonderful gift art "Foxy's Ascension", and am very actively working on the accompanying story.
Thanks again!!!!
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