I have several complaints about this, all of which I will use to make myself sound superior and to inflate my ego while tearing down someone who is clearly better than me.

xDDDDDDDDDD

And I will do nothing to help out with either the artist's original work, or further a discussion about the points you raised, by adding that I agree, in the hopes that my bandwagoning will help me to gain favor from you, inflating my ego, so that I may gain something from you later.

I also have complaints, many of them are invalid and completely off topic but stated anyway to encourage an angry response which i will then ignore or provide another invalid response to encourage even more anger. All while stroking my manly stubble.

I shall agree and complain specifically to try and incite a hate mob against someone i dont know personally and feel is better then me, get banned or blocked, then take it to social media screaming buzzwords to try and feel morally justified in bad actions while inciting more people. Once i cannot get a mob i shall use sockpuppets to make my mob and show how right and moral i am even though in reality i prove nothing beyond how petty and small i really am to the public at large. When this fails, threaten sudoku for attention and sympathy while also outing myself as emotionally abusive and toxic... but mah outrage of the day guys! Totally justified i swear!

I wouldn't outright ignore criticism from less experienced people though, not everyone without the know-how is out there to get you.

That's where perspectives plays in the game too. But i seriously don't recommend taking feedback seriously from someone that almost doesn't have experience in the area you want to improve, specially if they dedicate to bash you.

Oh of course if all they do is throw shit at you, regardless of what you show them. It's only logical to ignore them at that point.

Seems to be logical, but sadly I have seen new artists that are taught to take literally everything, even when people are demeaning them. Which is why I made this.

It's definitely one thing to step in and act like a subject matter expert in literally anything.
However, and I'm probably outing myself but saying this, I feel it doesn't take "being an expert" to have some valid criticism in things. I wouldn't call myself an art expert by any means, but if I see something that looks weird or raises questions, I'll say something along the lines of "hey, I like your shading and highlighting! I'm just wondering about this character's leg, where the highlight makes it look like it's partly plasticy. Was that intended? Or am I just seeing things?"

When, of course, it's not something like... 500 views on one art piece and I come along, look closely, and comment "hey, are those hands on backwards?" which either nobody else noticed or nobody else bothered to say anything about it.

Seeing many different artists over the year and their differing styles, shadings, colorings and what have you, I feel like I'm at least somewhat DECENTLY qualified to make a comment to help others improve. :3

I just hope not to come off as an asshole ever .w."

This is good advice. I hate it when people talk to me about things as if I am a total noob, especially when I actually do have experience and they are the one's who have no idea what they're talking about. The "outsider looking in" perspective is seldom valid.

I find that inexperienced people don't really know how to talk about art so if they don't like it or you ask just straight up ask for constructive criticism from these people then by default they will refer to their subjective point of view. Which is at best, unreliable, even if well-meant, and at worst, outright malicious; usually they lie somewhere in between. Experienced artists coming from a place of giving constructive advice know how to talk objectively about art, so it's more digestible.

An inexperienced artist might say something like, "His face looks fucked up. It's creeping me out." but a more experienced artist might be able to tell you exactly where the fault lies in your perspective or what-have-you With that said, look for general trends in the feedback from the wider public. Filter the white noise and draw informed conclusions. What they have to say is not invalid, just takes a bit more work to parse.

How's that saying go? "It's best not to assume malice where ignorance will suffice" or something.

Just my two cents. *shrug*

I think you're on point. I'd put it as not needing a degree to tell a movie sucked, because the characters were dull and visuals unintelligible. But you do need some knowledge to point out specific faults and suggest how it could've been written and filmed better. Both opinions are valid, they just have different weights to them. The more nobodies are talking about the same thing, the more it should be considered as if it were pointed out by someone with experience in the subject, within reason of course.

Tangential, but this is a HUGE thing when it comes to getting feedback in the game development world.

There's even a saying: "Players are FANTASTIC at finding problems, but HORRIBLE at coming up with solutions for them."

That's why I usually try to figure out what is causing the negative reaction in feedback, and then figure out why and how to fix it on my own.

To true on this, way to true- although there is more and more gamers out there that are learning the systems behind the games, and that only opens up more misunderstandings.

As for art though, I find that I don't comment as much as I should- I know I am not terribly skilled, but that is more a practice thing vs a vision thing. I can picture it in my head, and get the start of it, but there is a disconnect between my brain and my hand. Writing though, I like to think I'm pretty ok at. But I also don't get many people criticizing me, even though I literally ask for it o.O

uh, that bottom left panel is way too cute ://// and not enough sparkles \\: ✨✨✨ (seriously tho is very cute)

While criticism from people with experience is usually better than from those without said experience, discounting them entirely based on that alone could lead to missing out on something that those without experience don't think much about.

Still should take it with a grain of salt though. Most times it's probably going to be worthless, completely misinformed, or malicious. Sometimes there might be some small detail that is wrong that most people may not notice, and while they might not be able to tell you why it's wrong, knowing that something's not quite right, and approximately where that's the case, can still be helpful.

To quote Squidward: "Everybody's a critic."

I'm not really much of an artist, but I have enough basic understand of anatomy and composition that I can help out new artists. I enjoy being constructive and encouraging more than anything when it comes to this. Tearing someone else down is just sad and speaks more to the person doing the tearing down than whatever the artist was attempting to get out of them.

I always try to offer suggestions or alternatives if I find something that isn't working about a piece. I'm not actually an artist, honestly, but I know enough of the language and concepts to at least try to help when I see something off. Especially if that person also sees it and is frustrated with it.

For aspiring artists, I'd say if you wanna spot people who genuinely want to try to help you, you'd probably be looking for these qualities in their criticism:
- Mentions noticeable, actual details about the work in question. This likely means they took time to look at it closely.
- Suggests ways they think it could be improved. This means they likely spent at least a little time thinking about what's possible to improve.
- Don't insult you. This is the big one. If they don't actively try to insult you, there's a good chance they mean well, even if they can come across as mean sometimes. They may just be a bit too blunt for their own good.
(At least, in my observations this has been true. These three are probably not the perfect criteria to look for, but, I think they'll help ^^;)

And for well meaning critics, here's a bit of advice:
Try to ask the artist if they want criticism before giving it, they'll usually be more attentive and less likely to get hurt by it if they agree to get it rather than just have it thrown in their face ^^;
It also helps tell them that you actually mean well! Just be sure to actually not criticise if they say "No thanks" x3
In other words: Don't criticise someone who doesn't want criticism. This may seem obvious reading it like this, but it's easy to forget in the heat of the moment that not all artists want criticism. Some just want to draw and have fun with it and no more than that, so it's generally good manners to ask!

Great points <3!

Great points right there.

Just gonna say you bring up great points here as well

So true! When I have done gift art for someone and they decided to critique it, I felt bad. Critiques are like other advice; if people didn't ask for it, maybe it's best to just not go there right now.

I've given unwanted advice before, too. Mistakes happen! We learn~

I make it a personal rule to only give detailed, constructive criticism when they ask for it directly. This way, it ensures that the artist is actively looking for ways to improve because what many people seem to forget is that your criticism will be in vain if the artist who you’re talking to does not have the incentive to improve.

I could go on for over an hour about drawing nuances but it will be a waste of my time if everything I said won’t even get acknowledged to begin with. Ask first ^^

You don't have to be an artist to know when something doesn't look right. I get some criticism is useless or wrong, but I find that a poor way to approach. People without experience aren't always bad and people with experience aren't always good. I'm sure you've seen plenty of popular nsfw artists who break anatomy constantly so people can see more of the bits they want.

Just because someone cannot cook or direct a movie doesn't mean that people don't know how good food should taste or how good games and movies should be. People having experience often means they can give more accurate or detailed problems and recommend fixes, but it's not necessary. Sometimes not having experience means someone can look into it with fresh eyes that people who've always been in whatever group it is have become desensitized to.

As long as criticism is just that - and not just saying "I don't like this" or "this looks bad" - and is constructive, I think it all holds weight regardless of experience :>

The thing is that where people think they know what they are talking about, but they actually don't. Usually that same people just want to bash, and ends up in the case you can read in the first comment.
Of course it isnt always the case, but it happens way too often wanting to camouflate their venting by "critique"

In my experience that comes equally from people who are or aren't in the field. I know you've seen more of this, and maybe have just seen more than me/get a lot more negativity than I do? Or you just have more vocal dissenters or have just experienced a bigger number so you're just seeing what I have not.

I personally just haven't noticed a difference on how useful critique is from a person who's an artist or not. It's all about just people being spiteful or jealous and wanting to tear you down, which I think can equally come from either side. Sometimes other artists are actually the worst for it because they feel inferior or angry at the success of other artists and use criticism as a venue to be jerks.

My partner is an artist. I am a writer, but I dont know as much about art to critique it properly. I feel like I dont have the vocabulary to properly critique his work. What can I do and where can I start with learning how to give him proper feedback on his work? If this isnt the best spot for that kind of response, do you have any links that might steer me in a good direction?

I would need to see the person's work to see where to start to help.

This works for a lot of stuff

thank you for the advice! ^^

Ojala tuviera mas artistas amigos que me dieran critica D:

Siempre puedes preguntar :3

puedo preguntarte a vos? o3o

Pues dale :3
Dime en que quieres mejorar y a donde quieres llegar.

Umm en todo supongo siempre quiero aprender más de dibujo x3 ultimamente me tomo mas tiempo en los sketches para hacerlos bien

Se mas especifico :x

Perspectiva, iluminación, anatomía. o en lo que subo qué puedo haber hecho mejor para hacerlo mejor la próxima vez uwu

Tienes artistas de referencia como metas?
Por ejemplo "quiero aprender la anatomia y el estilo de -"

MMmmm, de kenket, vos, orlando fox, flint (no se si los conoces)

Just remmeber to look between the lines if the person is just bad at describing what they mean because they sometimes get frustrated at themselves if they cant find the words and that can reflect on others and seem like they are hostile. Personally i refrain from complaining and critisism if i dont have an option to suggest, but most simply and importantly: A fresh perspective is very valuable

Continue to love your artwork uwu keep up the good work

Wait I'm not supposed to bitch at others for genuine criticism? I really gotta drop out of the school of Dobson.

The internet really does bring out the worst in humanity sometimes dont it. I feel so old saying it, but how many here miss the old days when the internet felt more... real? Not just the 90s, but like, the early 90s.

I'd probably give extra points for also unbiased opinions, but I personally prefer both proper experience AND friendly support in a balanced mix. Works like drinking water when pouring down medicine down your throat, pft.

Now to learn where to draw the line where I consider myself experienced enough to start giving advice (IT stuff in my case).

I once had a writing professor who I'd asked to help me on personal creative writing projects, and his greatest gift to me was helping me not to be stuck on a single project, married to an idea so to speak. Experience can be a game changer.

It's for this reason that I ended up getting banned from certain sites. I would offer my sincere opinion and thoughts on an image, and since said site gets so much of people just dumping on an image on one hand and putting up meaningless two word replies on the other, people had trouble telling if I was trying to 'sound smart' or not.

I would often also run into trouble when I asked about a feature of an image. Sometimes I just didn't understand how something got started, and would just ask... then get shouted down for it, or get a severely negative reaction from the artist for being curious or trying to offer critique.

For me, it's always nice when I offer some critique and the artist takes it and then appreciates what I've said. Sometimes I slip too though, and just make a crack at something I don't like, but I resist this as much as I can. No one is perfect, but I try to at least be good!

Madam Sify the Wise. *sagenod*

This is a good message.