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Regardless of what happens, as least they're not gonna get sick.
Since the main focus of the comic is on the dialogue/humour, this will be uploaded here on my main account.
Since the main focus of the comic is on the dialogue/humour, this will be uploaded here on my main account.
Category Artwork (Digital) / Comics
Species Western Dragon
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File Size 552.7 kB
I'd rather not get too much into the political side of these things, but the contact tracing was very successful for a significant period of time, allowing the medical system to catch up. It's only when things relaxed (and Omicron came around) that cases skyrocketed (we had very, very few cases until about 6 months ago), and much of the population was already vaccinated then. Ultimately, as a result, Australia has a considerably lower number of deaths per capita than the USA, despite a relatively close number of cases per capita.
I didn't ask about the political side; I asked about medical information. Your statistics are accurate, thank you.
I haven't kept up on this since Omicron because historically the Spanish flu ended with a massive spike of cases while Omicron inoculates against earlier variants as expected. So I was surprised when looking up Aus' stats yesterday. According to scientific papers I read today, extant vaccines appear to help Omicron spread, so perhaps this is the cause for divergence from historical expectation.
Now, there is typically lag time between case count and deaths, so I'm gonna keep an eye on Aus. Thought I'd stopped needing to watch these damn charts. *facepalm*
I know everyone is bothered by politics nowadays, but politics is literally just the reality you know except someone is lying about it for ideological gain. Everything can be political if you let it. So focus on facts and ask questions rather than let people tell you what to think. Or don't, because as stated, that's up to you.
I haven't kept up on this since Omicron because historically the Spanish flu ended with a massive spike of cases while Omicron inoculates against earlier variants as expected. So I was surprised when looking up Aus' stats yesterday. According to scientific papers I read today, extant vaccines appear to help Omicron spread, so perhaps this is the cause for divergence from historical expectation.
Now, there is typically lag time between case count and deaths, so I'm gonna keep an eye on Aus. Thought I'd stopped needing to watch these damn charts. *facepalm*
I know everyone is bothered by politics nowadays, but politics is literally just the reality you know except someone is lying about it for ideological gain. Everything can be political if you let it. So focus on facts and ask questions rather than let people tell you what to think. Or don't, because as stated, that's up to you.
Absolutely happy to talk the medical side - regarding my previous statement, I just prefer to keep things civil in someone else's comment section and I know very well how... heated some of the political discussion surrounding the pandemic can get.
I don't know that I'd say that current vaccines help Omicron spread as much as they hinder it less, allowing it to become an even more dominant strain over previous ones. In addition, even though the vaccine doesn't protect against Omicron infection to the same extent as other strains, it still generally dampens the severity, leading to fewer hospitalizations and deaths.
The lag time between cases and deaths has historically been roughly 2-3 weeks rather than several months, and Australia is already experiencing the related surge, but it is still far, far lower per capita than was observed in the States (where unvaccinated individuals still dominate the death toll at least as far as the CDC's data from the end of January goes).
I don't know that I'd say that current vaccines help Omicron spread as much as they hinder it less, allowing it to become an even more dominant strain over previous ones. In addition, even though the vaccine doesn't protect against Omicron infection to the same extent as other strains, it still generally dampens the severity, leading to fewer hospitalizations and deaths.
The lag time between cases and deaths has historically been roughly 2-3 weeks rather than several months, and Australia is already experiencing the related surge, but it is still far, far lower per capita than was observed in the States (where unvaccinated individuals still dominate the death toll at least as far as the CDC's data from the end of January goes).
It's a mechanism called vaccine-induced enhancement. You're welcome to look up the studies yourself.
And yes, the vaccine does reduce the severity. Omicron is slightly less deadly than the common flu (as opposed to earlier strains which were 10-100x more deadly) and likewise the vaccine is about as effective as the flu vaccine.
Problem is, the COV-19 vaccine is responsible for at least 100,000 deaths globally and another 250,000 permanent disabilities. The flu vaccine is... Not. The COV-19 spike protein contains several genetic signatures similar to those of HIV to such an extent that HIV drugs can treat symptoms from these proteins. Since all current COV-19 vaccines produce the spike proteins en masse, they can cause fatal allergic and cardiovascular events. Thousands have.
I don't disagree with your conclusions, however, I hope that you can keep to the facts instead of spreading pro-vaccine propaganda. You asked for less politics; please heed your own advice.
And yes, the vaccine does reduce the severity. Omicron is slightly less deadly than the common flu (as opposed to earlier strains which were 10-100x more deadly) and likewise the vaccine is about as effective as the flu vaccine.
Problem is, the COV-19 vaccine is responsible for at least 100,000 deaths globally and another 250,000 permanent disabilities. The flu vaccine is... Not. The COV-19 spike protein contains several genetic signatures similar to those of HIV to such an extent that HIV drugs can treat symptoms from these proteins. Since all current COV-19 vaccines produce the spike proteins en masse, they can cause fatal allergic and cardiovascular events. Thousands have.
I don't disagree with your conclusions, however, I hope that you can keep to the facts instead of spreading pro-vaccine propaganda. You asked for less politics; please heed your own advice.
I know of the possibility of antibody-dependent enhancement occurring post-vaccination, though I haven't personally seen any publications that demonstrate it in the case of any of the COVID vaccines - only ones relating to Omicron's capacity to evade the immune response elicited by them. If you have a DOI or something for articles showing this though, I'd be happy to have a read.
As far as vaccines go, I generally consider myself to be a very objective-minded individual. I do look at facts and do my best to base opinions off of that - my previous statement that COVID-19 generally causes illnesses of reduced severity in vaccinated individuals is based off of several studies. I am however well aware that there have been adverse effects linked to these vaccines in some cases. That said, I'd love to see a reliable source for those death/disability numbers. My current best estimate are the reports produced by the Australian Department of Health, which reports only 11 deaths in Australia directly linked to the vaccine from 56 million doses.
Similarly, the CDC's report on Omicron does suggest that it is less deadly than previous strains such as Delta (9 deaths / 1000 cases during the Omicron-dominant period vs 13 deaths / 1000 cases for the Delta-dominant period), though certainly not 10-100x less so. That's still significantly more deadly than the common flu, which causes (again by the CDC's figures) somewhere in the ballpark of 1-2 deaths / 1000 cases.
Either way, I'm not trying to convince you of anything. Merely presenting the data I have seen.
As far as vaccines go, I generally consider myself to be a very objective-minded individual. I do look at facts and do my best to base opinions off of that - my previous statement that COVID-19 generally causes illnesses of reduced severity in vaccinated individuals is based off of several studies. I am however well aware that there have been adverse effects linked to these vaccines in some cases. That said, I'd love to see a reliable source for those death/disability numbers. My current best estimate are the reports produced by the Australian Department of Health, which reports only 11 deaths in Australia directly linked to the vaccine from 56 million doses.
Similarly, the CDC's report on Omicron does suggest that it is less deadly than previous strains such as Delta (9 deaths / 1000 cases during the Omicron-dominant period vs 13 deaths / 1000 cases for the Delta-dominant period), though certainly not 10-100x less so. That's still significantly more deadly than the common flu, which causes (again by the CDC's figures) somewhere in the ballpark of 1-2 deaths / 1000 cases.
Either way, I'm not trying to convince you of anything. Merely presenting the data I have seen.
The increased spread does not appear as ADE but rather as a side effect of the vaccine itself. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/ar.....es/PMC8481107/
"In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people." It's not entirely clear why this happens, but again, it's definitely not ADE. That much is certain.
Regarding death and disability from the vaccine, there's several immediate side effects, the primary cause of death or disability being myocardial infarction. Since many countries only report the primary cause of death (e.g. myocardial infarction) I chose to use VAERS. Many news outlets have reported that VAERS is unreliable because self-reporting allows inflated death figures. Being scientifically-minded, I looked up studies on the reliability of VAERS. As it happens, VAERS consistently (100% of the time) underreports actual adverse events according to three different studies. Since I can't be sure of the amount of underreporting, I rounded and extrapolated extant VAERS figures via total vaccination globally. I am not at all familiar with Aus' reporting standards, so perhaps my assumption they report only primary CoD is inaccurate. I also can't account for the Chinese vaccine since VAERS obviously does not cover that vaccine's adverse events.
For Omicron death rates, I looked at numerous different publications, all of which quoted between 0.25-0.35/1000. Flu was quoted at 0.4/1000. Those two figures are within margin of error. Delta was over 10x higher and Delta affects aged populations over 10x that average. So depending on age group, 100x risk of death for being unvaccinated with Delta was not an overstatement. I presume whatever study is saying 9/1000 is in reference to hospital figures since the figure you mentioned for flu lines up with what I've seen regarding hospitalized cases of Influenza. Obviously, outcomes are much worse for cases which require hospitalization.
One largely unexplored feature of current COV-19 vaccines are the knock-on effects of the spike protein. One study found an average of 22 double-strand DNA breaks per cell caused by the spike protein in vitro (not in vivo). While COV-19 has the same effect, it does not produce spike proteins alone, so the effect was far lesser. Whether this causes a mass outbreak of cancers a few years from now remains to be seen. But this is not related to current death or disability figures.
It's fine if you want to present data, but understand that even science has been corrupted by politics. You need to actually read the studies rather than taking the title or conclusion at face value. Nature and The Lancet have both retracted several studies which tried to overstate vaccine effectiveness. Several which haven't been retracted, when read, present dubious data which doesn't support the stated conclusion. Pfizer itself was found to be falsifying study data.
Frankly, if people just said "vaccines reduce the risk of death for males over 30 and females over 20" then we'd probably have 99% vaccination rates in those age groups.
Instead, at least in my country, people are babbling about vaccinating infants and toddlers. According to VAERS, this age group is more likely to suffer permanent disability or death from the vaccine than from COVID unless immunocompromised. Plus, the vaccine only protects for a few months at most, which means each booster is another chance at adverse events. Conversely, you are unlikely to be reinfected long after COV-19 inoculation. The real virus confers a much more powerful immunological response than the vaccine. I think one study I read said the response was on average 29x stronger and lasted 7x longer.
These pro-vaccination lies are precisely why you have half the population refusing to get vaccinated. They're not educated on the specifics. They can only make decisions based the perceived intent to deceive, and so they refuse to get vaccinated.
"In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people." It's not entirely clear why this happens, but again, it's definitely not ADE. That much is certain.
Regarding death and disability from the vaccine, there's several immediate side effects, the primary cause of death or disability being myocardial infarction. Since many countries only report the primary cause of death (e.g. myocardial infarction) I chose to use VAERS. Many news outlets have reported that VAERS is unreliable because self-reporting allows inflated death figures. Being scientifically-minded, I looked up studies on the reliability of VAERS. As it happens, VAERS consistently (100% of the time) underreports actual adverse events according to three different studies. Since I can't be sure of the amount of underreporting, I rounded and extrapolated extant VAERS figures via total vaccination globally. I am not at all familiar with Aus' reporting standards, so perhaps my assumption they report only primary CoD is inaccurate. I also can't account for the Chinese vaccine since VAERS obviously does not cover that vaccine's adverse events.
For Omicron death rates, I looked at numerous different publications, all of which quoted between 0.25-0.35/1000. Flu was quoted at 0.4/1000. Those two figures are within margin of error. Delta was over 10x higher and Delta affects aged populations over 10x that average. So depending on age group, 100x risk of death for being unvaccinated with Delta was not an overstatement. I presume whatever study is saying 9/1000 is in reference to hospital figures since the figure you mentioned for flu lines up with what I've seen regarding hospitalized cases of Influenza. Obviously, outcomes are much worse for cases which require hospitalization.
One largely unexplored feature of current COV-19 vaccines are the knock-on effects of the spike protein. One study found an average of 22 double-strand DNA breaks per cell caused by the spike protein in vitro (not in vivo). While COV-19 has the same effect, it does not produce spike proteins alone, so the effect was far lesser. Whether this causes a mass outbreak of cancers a few years from now remains to be seen. But this is not related to current death or disability figures.
It's fine if you want to present data, but understand that even science has been corrupted by politics. You need to actually read the studies rather than taking the title or conclusion at face value. Nature and The Lancet have both retracted several studies which tried to overstate vaccine effectiveness. Several which haven't been retracted, when read, present dubious data which doesn't support the stated conclusion. Pfizer itself was found to be falsifying study data.
Frankly, if people just said "vaccines reduce the risk of death for males over 30 and females over 20" then we'd probably have 99% vaccination rates in those age groups.
Instead, at least in my country, people are babbling about vaccinating infants and toddlers. According to VAERS, this age group is more likely to suffer permanent disability or death from the vaccine than from COVID unless immunocompromised. Plus, the vaccine only protects for a few months at most, which means each booster is another chance at adverse events. Conversely, you are unlikely to be reinfected long after COV-19 inoculation. The real virus confers a much more powerful immunological response than the vaccine. I think one study I read said the response was on average 29x stronger and lasted 7x longer.
These pro-vaccination lies are precisely why you have half the population refusing to get vaccinated. They're not educated on the specifics. They can only make decisions based the perceived intent to deceive, and so they refuse to get vaccinated.
I'm gonna stop you here. There's a time and place for everything. This aggresiveness while disrespecting someone like Seven who's actually educated in the biochem field? I don't tolerate that shit.
Please stop with your hyper defensive commenting or I'll have to block you if you reply further. This is not the first time you're doing this and disrespecting someone in my submissions.
Please stop with your hyper defensive commenting or I'll have to block you if you reply further. This is not the first time you're doing this and disrespecting someone in my submissions.
We took this to notes a few hours ago and agreed on a bunch of stuff. I'm not disrespecting anyone; I'm stating facts. I'm sorry you think I'm disrespecting someone for stating facts, but admittedly I do not want to follow someone who takes this anti-science stance, so you needn't block me. I'll remove myself from following your channel.
Anti-science? What's wrong with you?
My gripe was not on the argument but your attitude. You constantly going "keep to the facts instead of spreading pro-vaccine propaganda" to someone who said they're merely presenting data they have seen.
Clearly you enjoy assuming the worst of the people you interact with. And I'm super happy that you unfollowed me.
My gripe was not on the argument but your attitude. You constantly going "keep to the facts instead of spreading pro-vaccine propaganda" to someone who said they're merely presenting data they have seen.
Clearly you enjoy assuming the worst of the people you interact with. And I'm super happy that you unfollowed me.
Thank you. Honestly I just feel sorry for them that they conduct themselves in that manner. Clogging my comments by being unnecessarily argumentative in a space where I'm trying to spread positive vibes with these comics. I hope they self-reflect and change for the better.
He does have his own fancy ref sheet right over here :P - https://www.furaffinity.net/view/32560947
I like Ark as much as my other characters. Though unforunately some characters are more equal than others. Particularly the red ones.
I like Ark as much as my other characters. Though unforunately some characters are more equal than others. Particularly the red ones.
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