Makes sense, we have big dreams but then reality crushes us down

In this case, I feel like the crushing reality about how morally repugnant and bloody mercenary work can be in Val's carefully thought out world is what drive Jal to pursue a MUCH safer job as a lift operator.

"Probably won't die today" is a great layer of job security, turns out!

"May possibly yinglet today" is still a concern.

The job has its ups and downs.

Job security is a wonderful topic. Adult, because boring topic, but captivating topic indeed.

Do all yinglets think with "th" pronunciations or just Kass? I just noticed that detail haha.

Probably just kass because, ya know, kass used to be hoomin.

Yeah, that seems logical! Neat detail.

Pekkit was seen thinking "I am coming zhrough" on page 171, but we don't often see the thought bubbles of yinglets other than Kass.

The story I've been writing is first-person and the main character thinks in "th" words like Kass, but she's also a former human. ^.^;;

KASS IS NOT READY TO SURRENDER HIS MIND

that. is an interesting observation.

It definitely got me thinking.

Just thinking about that what-if breaks my brain. Let's just say that one could go either way, but most yinglets probably zink in zeir own language, rather than English. Kass... is a yinglet of a different color.

Yinglets don't have their own language. I forget exactly where it was, but Vizlet was complaining about Narklet and the Elders being wary of allowing "yinglet culture" to be overwhelmed by human learning, and said something like "but did we not adapt zhe human language instead of developing our own?" Also, Pekkit is shown thinking "I am coming zhrough" in page 171, so my guess is that natural yinglets "think" in their internal voice that reflects their actual voice, and Kass's "internal voice" is still mostly his human male one.

Found it, page 26: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/19472798

Vizlet: "But when I try to bring advanced human learning into my enclave, ze elders down Souzh accuse me of 'diluting' our culture wizh human ideals!

But did we not first adopt ze human language, and never create our own? Hypocrites!

Yes, ze result might not be a 'pure' yinglet culture, but we will never catch up if we do not--"

Interesting. I'd forgotten that bit; so the yinglet sophonts adopted human culture because it was the nearest, most convenient thing, rather than develop their own first. They certainly wouldn't be the first in fiction to use a more advanced race to bootstrap themselves - must be terribly frustrating to Vizlet that so few outside of her circle have such far-reaching vision.

No wonder Viracroux respects her as an equal.

Tbf, adopting another culture wholesale does get in the way of creating a novel identity. I think both the elders and Vizlet have a point. She also has the luxury of existing near a human population center that's come around to treating Yinglets as people. The southern elders' perspective may be informed by the bigotry they face.

At least a number of them do. Probally has to do with the thin tongue and shell breaking tooth they have, making it hard to pronouce a sound that uses the tip of the fat human tongue and teeth.

I forget where it's brought up, but they physically can't make the "th" sound with the big shell tooth in the way. I think Lopin does after his comes loose and is pulled out, but otherwise it's just part of their typical speech pattern.

Technically half their phonemes should sound a little 'off', but writing that out would make their speech balloons unreadable.

They still can't without the shelltooth, they don't have the other teeth or a thick enough tongue to get that restricted air flow needed. (#38: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/14781940/ - "Well... zhere's not enough teezh around zis big front toozh to press my tongue against to make zat sound.")

Lopin without shelltooth (#57: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/24678787/ - "...And so I gave her ze oysters. I zhink she needed zhem more zhan me." and other lines) still speaks with ying-speak.

I personally suspect that a yinglet-turned-human would probably still use ying-speak out of habit, at least at first, but no telling. Depends on how much the individual is focused on "za fancy human sound" (I thought there was an extra of a yinglet turning human and being excited about it, but the one I found was the less-motivated https://www.furaffinity.net/view/15347010/ )

Ah, been a good while since I last went through.

I went through fairly recently and have done it a number of times, and have also recently started writing a story series about a human turned yinglet except in modern Earth, so I've been paying extra attention to things. ^_^;;

Kass's little noggin getting absolutely stuffed with food for thought, today.

Jal is the kind of guy who knows every little things.
his job is literally to be with people in an elevator, that's a lot of small talks opportunity.

Even if they aren't interested in talking, he probably knows the comings and goings of a lot of important people, especially if Viracroix's personal office can only be reached by said lift.

you know it

I know its still part of the story that Kass is figuring it out themselves, but would he/him, she/her, they/them or something else be most fitting for them at this time? Even if they are fictional, I'd rather not misgender them.

I figure its he/him or they/them if you're not sure

That is what I have been using, but not been sure and especially given this whole arc is basically about them coming to terms with their gender and identity I figured it would be worth asking to clarify.

I think the general wont of most folks is for him/them to accept being female, but I'm not really the biggest fan of that nowadays

Honestly same. Like if that happens, fine, I trust Val to handle it well, they are an excellent writer in my humble opinion, but this series has been such a fantastic exploration of TFTG in a more realistic emotional context that it would be a bit of a shame for it to come down to, "Well if your body is X, your X, regardless of your personal identity. Biology trumps internal identification."

Like I said, if that happens, I'm not gonna complain, I think the story is done well enough that it will be handled with grace, just ya, a little bit of a shame if it ends up reinforceing rather then smartly subverting the default TF fetish assumption that swapping around someones bits automatically reorients their identity rather then identity and body NOT being the same thing.

yeye, am writing a subversion thigamie in that vn thing i was telling you about.
character thinks that they tftg'd and goes along with it a bit
but then finds out that they didn't and are in fact still biologically male,
but they decide to stick with the new identity cause comfy

IT

like the movie?!

It/Its? Okay that works, thank you!

I think Valsalia is deliberately not answering that question because it's an ongoing plot point. But for my part I think he's shown that he's happier when referred to in masculine ways.

You made my head hurt with thoughtz.

Kass...can you have that kind of life anymore? You're in so deep that even if you wanted a simple life. I don't think it's possible to have it anymore

Not without abandoning everyone he cares about and any hope for a cure. Even then, a simple yinglet life is a lot less comfortable and a lot more dangerous than a simple human life

He could. He does what Veracroix says and he has all the money, food and shelter he wants, before thats kinda what he was all about, survival for himself (and the other refugees to an extent).

He has that now but being a Yinglet he's realizing that really isn't a life. I honestly think that if Kass could turn human again on the spot, he'd still want to help Vizlet with her enclave... and maybe promote Lopin from rank 0, that was kinda mean.

Well...that's one way to get a friend.

Partnership with yinglets huh?

Also, kissing

And humpings.

Handholding too, per any chance?

Primitive spear wielding soldiers in this universe:
"Hey, could you please use my preferred pronouns?"
"Huh? Oh. Sure. Anyway-"

Modern people in the real world:
"Hey, could you please use my preferred pronouns?"
"WHAT?!?!?! RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEE"

That is incredibly offensive and cruel. I don't give a damn what faith you follow, even earnest and fervent belief does not justify hate speech or attacks on marginalized people.

This kind of regressive idea is exactly why some Christianity, and Catholicism in particular, can be poison. It's really sad, as well as divisive and dangerous to people who don't live by that narrow definition of a gender binary.

People, ALL people, are deserving of respect and love for who they are. NOBODY has the right to dictate these things for anybody else, particularly based on the perversion of some old myth.

From every understanding I have of God or Jesus, it's about universal acceptance and love, not rejecting someone because they don't fit your narrow moral view.

That passage could be interpreted in many ways beyond justifying hate and some sort of narrow moral vision. It's essentially meaningless.

What about the story of the prostitute that has Jesus saying "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"?

I don't really put much faith in a book compiled from myths and handed down stories gathered hundreds of years after the death of Jesus, whoever he actually was.

It's a fascinating collection of stories open to interpretation at best, and has been twisted to oppress and exploit people for two millennia now. Whatever actual meaning it has is frequently twisted to fit whatever some amoral person chooses.

This is also open to interpretation, as is all of the bible.

I take it as an admonishment not to judge people, including prostitutes.

To further elaborate on this: I think the point is that it's not for us to judge others, this is for God.

But this also gets to the root of why I can't believe in the Christian concept of God. It's a vanity, created in our image, and more often than not used to manipulate and dominate other people. My God does not judge.

But it's complicated. Not every Christian, or even every Catholic, subscribes to this poisonous doctrine of judgment. Anything that goes against a universal love and unity is a contradiction of the true message inherent to all religions, as far as I can see.

As much as I want to touch on your use of "mutilated male", which is horrible and hateful, here's a simple question:
Did Infallible God make a mistake by creating a transgender person? Or was Loving God being needlessly cruel by putting a female mind into a male body, and then punishing them for being the way they were created? Which is it?

Quit using a book that says "Love everyone" to justify your ignorant hatred. You are the reason people can't trust "Christians" to follow Christ.

No, you should realize that modern science has shown observable physical differences between a cisgender male's brain and a transwoman's brain, and that a transwoman's brain has more in common with a cisgender woman's brain than a cisgender man's brain.

Do you seriously think people look at all the transphobia people like you sling about and say, "You know what sounds like fun? Being hated by absolutely everyone, getting disowned by my family because 'God's Love' tells them to hate me, and practically guaranteeing I'll either be murdered by a transphobe or driven to suicide by the constant hate and oppression!" Do you seriously believe this is a choice people are making?

Making a choice to castrate themselves (for example) is wrong. I am sorry for people who are so confused, but in a Fallen World suffering of one kind or another is everyone's lot.

This particular suffering is caused directly by people like you, intentionally, because of your hatred and ignorance. If this is a Fallen World, it is because you tore it down. I am sorry for people like you who are confused and have closed your hearts to God's love.

Why are you even reading a series that explores the concept of gender identity if you are so opposed to the idea? Just leave, and tell yourself you're right and you won. I'm done playing chess against a pigeon.

And in real life, there are observable biological differences that prove trans people are born that way and are not choosing to transition, but you prefer the Lie that they are "confused" to the Truth. (Do you believe people "chose" to be left-handed once it became "trendy" after people weren't being beaten into forcing themselves to be right-handed? That's exactly what's happening right now, people are coming forward instead of remaining hidden and you're accusing them of following fashion, because people like you want to murder them back into invisibility.)

Can't play chess with a pigeon. They'll just knock the pieces over, crap on the board, and strut around like they won. I'm not responding anymore, it's clear you'd rather worship Hate.

^

Gotta say, as much as I think your view here is poison, I'm really disappointed in the admins here for censoring you. This is an important discussion, and just seeing one side of it diminishes that.

If I were a person in "The Known World" who was transformed into a female yinglet, I admit I would be pissed as hell, but I would be stuck with the new pronoun.
BTW, I would not try to evangelize the yinglets on the gay sex thing. For a species as different from humans as it is possible to be and still be a mammal, this might not be a sin. They arguably have three genders (unlike humans) and have a sex ratio that is just plain tremendous (seven to one?). And an anatomy which removes the physical problems of such activity. HOWEVER, I would try to dissuade them from culling eggs that need help to hatch. That is too much like abortion. And Vizlet would even agree with me!

You're getting closer, mate, but ya still ain't there.

And gay sex or abortion are not sins with regard to humans, in my view.

Once again, no one has the right to dictate such things for others.

As a wise man once said, "May the baby Jesus shut your mouth and open your mind".

Once again, no one has the right to dictate such things for others.

And no one has the right to kill a preborn baby.

That's a horribly simplistic reduction of the reality of the situation. There are a myriad of reasons why someone might need to terminate a pregnancy, the health of the mother not being the least of those.

A group of cells, or even a fetus, is not a baby. It's not a baby until it's born.

And it's not for anyone but the mother and their doctors to decide. It's none of your business. Forced birth is barbaric.

Ectopic pregnancy and such I could see, but only for the life of the mother.

That is but one of many extenuating circumstances.

There's no changing the mind of a sky wizard cultist.

I don't necessarily expect to change anyone's mind on anything. I just hope to perhaps make people think a little.

I think it's important oppose BS and not to let it just sit there.

I do too, but there's also a point where you realize the person you are talking to is unreceptive and for the sake of your own sanity (and the room) it's best to disengage.

Or at least I have to when I am in your position. Else-wise I start feeling violent urges as my intellectual stability erodes. I do not suffer fools too well. Something you seem to have infinitely more patience for in my observations.

I do have to pick my battles. I could easily waste my whole day on this crap.

It's usually pretty easy. It's just an exercise in logic for me, and I don't get emotionally involved.

I also think that there's at least some value on putting these things out there, if not for the person I'm having the "Discussion" with, then for others with a somewhat more open mind who might see it.

Commendable trait.

I, on the other hand, have to work to not become emotional immediately. I default at pure wrenching disgust with humanity and always have, even as a child. Never was a fan of our kind.

I really try to love everybody, even if I despise things they say. People are products of their environment.

It's not always easy, though. And if somebody's insulting or aggressive, I'm liable to reflect that back to them. I'm not interested in being a doormat.

Yet you enjoy a comic that consistently has bisexual and homosexual characters featured. Going by your beliefs won't you burn in Hell for liking it? Pretty sure thats how Catholicism works buckaroo.

I can read stories that feature fantasy species acting in non-Christian ways.

Yes, you can.

Just as everyone, including yourself, has their own individual version of religion. Ultimately we all pick and choose.

I mean, yes, it's stupid as hell that people are raising such a stink about it. But to be fair, based on what he's saying, Jal isn't adjusting his mindset to think of Kass as female; the line afterwards about female officers makes plain that he still includes Kass in that number. What he's unclear about, due to the scarcity of female officers, is if "ma'am," as a default respectful term for women, is appropriate, or if "sir" should be applied to female officers too.

It's still a thing that could make Kass a bit more comfortable, and Kass did stress that it was personal preference, but it's not the same as thinking of Kass as male despite having boobs.

Oh I acknowledge this. I was just making a funny lil comment. I was NOT expecting anyone to even pay attention to it beyond maybe giving it a good nose exhale.

Holy SHIT. What did I miss? I just posted a funny little comment and I come back and there's a smoldering crater of removed posts.

To put it simply, some religious zealots can't handle any idea that goes beyond a gender binary.

Some of them, and if you ask it shouldn't be a problem. But half the time, it's someone with non-standard pronouns doing the RRRREEEE because a random stranger isn't a mind-reader.

Bullshit.

If you've got a problem with "Non-standard pronouns" that just proves that you're closed minded and you're on the wrong side of history. Time to get used to it and stop whining.

Seriously? Is reading comprehension not your strong suit? I just said I don't object if I'm informed. I dislike being whined at because someone wants something unusual and I don't know it *before* being informed. And yes, I have had this happen.

I was specifically calling BS on your claim that this happens "Half the time".

No doubt there's the occasional person who reacts too sensitively. It's never happened to me though, for instance.

I'm just tired of hearing this lame rhetoric repeated over and over. It's not repeated by people who are sympathetic to NB people.

Okay, that's fair. The noisy annoying ones do attract more attention than they warrant.

It is ever thus.

There is no "wrong side of history", with the possible exception of advancing technology being the right side...and with the Limits to Growth and thermonuclear arsenals even that is a little dubious. Otherwise, history just goes in fashions back and forth and all around.
Even the Third Reich may have triumphed if President-elect FDR had been assassinated...as he nearly was. John Nance Garner would have been a complete disaster economically and would have made the Great Depression a complete collapse, and then anything could have happened.

Of course there is.

You're a Catholic. You have a fundamental belief in good and evil, no? But history is ultimately just a story recounted in retrospect.

I believe in a right side of it based in love and acceptance. It's all that I can do.

Pondering possible alternate futures can be an interesting speculative game, but it will never be anything more than that. I believe in striving to make our current reality the best we can. It's ultimately all we have and the only hope for a better future.

Yes.
And Good will triumph at the Parousia.
But until then it will wax and wane...in fact Evil's greatest extent will be during the reign of the Antichrist.

There's no Antichrist. There's plenty of real evil.

We don't need that nonsense for there to be a wrong side of history. Fascism, racism, trans and homophobia, misogyny... We have more than enough without imagining more.

I am very much enjoying this chapter of exploring Kass's evolving worldview. Also appreciate his decision to act as though always a Yinglet for the sake of others.

It's part of the job description! (Supposedly)

Supposedly. Allegedly. The "list" is whimsical mystery incarnate!

It seems that Kass omitted the part about being raised together and fighting in battles as brothers in arms with life and death on the line..

Talking about that TOO much would raise questions. They're still trying to keep the fact that Kass is a transformed human under wraps, because the implications of the Transformation Thingie could be VERY disruptive.

I wonder how long that secret is gonna remain under wraps?

Probably as long as the Catholic church tried to keep under wraps that they aided the Nazis and knowingly harbored pedophiles.

That long?
Well, it IS a Renaissance milieu.

Free rides! \o/

You can't just go up and down all day if you're one of the lower ranks and don't have good reason though!

... Free rides under certain conditions! \o/

Just accept it, being a noble yinglet gal is the dream <3

When having girl parts makes you a member of the nobility.

Nobler causes than just money? Viracroix has got them fairly indoctrinated, eh? As I see it, this all still comes down to money and power for Ivenmoth.

Viracroix might not be the most selfless leader, but he does seem to understand in some capacity that his ability to govern comes from the consent of the governed, and that puts him well above the feudal lords and hereditary monarchs that rule the rest of the world. It may just be a cynical political strategy to maintain his personal power, but he does genuinely make people's lives better.

He should be careful. Perhaps one day the people he's lifting up might discover democracy. Although, if he's actually serious about making his realm a better place, that's probably on the table for when it's time for him to retire. After all, the next head of House Ivenmoth may not hold his values.

Viracroix is the model of an Enlightened Despot. Given the world they live on, that's probably several legs up from the normal. Moreover, there's been reasons to think he's just the latest (and perhaps greatest) of a long line of (primarily) Enlightened Despots.

Very that!

That also goes above half the national leaders in our 21st Century.

The exchange between the Trademaster and the man selling surplus grain (#66: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/26432414/ ) is probably the best highlight of Viracroix's ruling philosophy. "Do you know why power has always returned to House Ivenmoth after a power struggle? The people know we will simply treat them better than any local usurper, or foreign conqueror. It is not just grains you have traded in; ...you've sold off a portion of House Ivenmoth's promise to its loyal populace."

Trademaster Viracriox doesn't think of his people as "They deserve dignity and respect because they are people" as much as he sees this as "I made a promise that they will have food, and that buys their loyalty, as a business transaction." A Trademaster that can't uphold the deals he makes is one that can't be trusted to make deals in the future, and mister Omarhan threatened Viracroix's reputation as a businessman.

After all, he's also shown casually discussing getting someone addicted to drugs (#106: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/33196337/ ) because he's partnered with the House that sells those drugs. Though the same page shows him expressing concern for Kass and Elim (It could be argued he's more worried about Kass's mental state and his ability to spy on the Enclave like Viracroix wants, but he refers to Elim as a "Good man").

He seems to show respect for those under him, but he definitely does not ever forget they are under him. He wants information and knowledge (Prologue 37: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/14722099/ ) because it generates money (he doesn't specify that exactly, but he does state he has funded research and expeditions and that "knowledge is more valuable than gold"), and he uses it to make the lives of people under him better because that promise of "Your life is better under me" is how he maintains his position of authority.

He is a man

Of course, I just see most of his decisions as being "good for business". Even the altruistic ones are because it's more beneficial in the long run. ^_^

I always worry I'm going to understand things horribly wrong, which is part of why my fan story is set on modern Earth instead of trying to write any of these characters. Your characters are yours, I'm not going to appropriate them, I'm just gonna tell a silly story about a trans girl who got Kass'd because a mad scientist was waaaay too into your comic. ^_~

That sounds like a cute premise.

Thanks! It starts off pretty rough, but things slowly get better for her. She even picked her new name at the end of the second chapter, which I posted today. Since she started with some pretty heavy medical issues, having her body completely rebuilt definitely has some positive aspects. So it's a matter of learning to look on the bright side and build a new life instead of trying too hard to cling to the old stuff that is gone.

And lots of having to explain what a yinglet is to people. ^_^;;

I have been obsessed by yinglets for over a year and a half. I am like Pekkit (with Lippie's nervousness)...a compulsive reader, the odder the better.
And if it hadn't been for my casually clicking a page of the favorite links of the artist of a different obscure webcomic I never would have known of them.

A featherless biped indeed!

At least such way of approaching things might help Kass to fight his (her) self-pity. Enough is enough.

But how much is the 2nd enough!!??!

Well… I tried to come up with a joke in a response, but my head is too silly today.
Anyways, I have that feeling like Kass’ miseries are far from the end. xD

wise lift attendant

Uplifted in mind

yuuus

Groans * xD

Val... keep on being “punny” and AWESOME!

:D

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And as a lift attendant, you're less likely to get a knife in the gut.
Heh, when Kass mentions "V", he could be referring both to Viracroix and Vizlet. Statement kinda goes for both.

The V's are in power, locally

she/sir pronouns time

Elevator Operator.

Living the dream.

Elevators are very rare, so it's a special sort of job!

Seeing some side of the non-main characters that really are adding a rich flavor to the world.

Our lift guy reminds me of the humble barkeep. That person you can come to and get advice or an outlook from an angle more real then most.

Every person's got a life, history and personality, regardless of their importance to the central plot! I try to really Emphasize that.

And that's what keeps me reading, not just the main cast, but seeing how they bounce across the world they are in. Many forget that in their writing.

Why is it that Jal has the healthiest, most accepting attitude of everyone we've met?

Rapidly changing elevation all day enlightens the soul

I'm glad he likes his job. :)

So is he!!!

A lot to think about today eh?

A day for thinking and doing.

Kass sure is doing

I always find it best to look for positives.

That can be dangerous when talking about electrical work!

Kass doing some of that introspection!

Extrospection is a lot harder

Kass walkin' around like 0.0

Find the place you are doing the most for a cause you believe in. Not everything important is big, huge and noteworthy.

A single person can never get as much accomplished as a bunch of people working towards a shared goal!

Very true.

reality, the crusher of dreams, but at least there's usually a positive side to be found in cases like this :D

Like FREE ELEVATOR RIDES

I really love how alive you make all of these one-off characters - it makes the world feel so much deeper

This guy's currently up to a two-off!

"If we ever get invaded, I have the fun of raising the elevator and yelling insults at the hapless axemen, as they call for archers. And then cut the elevator ropes on them. Should take out a few guys easy. Oh what a glorious day that will be."

Pretty much every job has at least one person who thinks like this at least occasionally.

I like his take on the job. And when it's not crushing your soul, it's pretty easy to be content with a job that seems menial.

Even if a job's not fun or engaging, it can at least provide you a stable life with which to do the things that bring you happiness.

I dreamed of being an astronaut when I was a kid. I got B.S.'s in Astronomy and Computer Science.
I ended up working ~minimum wage in a group home.
But I felt just like Jal...doing something GOOD.

I really do think it's ironic that many of the jobs that make the most difference in peoples' lives are some of the lowest paid. In my ideal world, the caregivers of the world would be some of the best-compensated for their time and effort.

This has been Worker's Philosophy with Jal, coming up Fashion Hour with Lopin

Followed by "best ways to stab things and best things to stab with," with Kattajak

You can still do it!!

With all those now FA hidden comments the Self Righteous Christian Mongoose made about gender up there, I'm surprised you haven't.

Making eggs in a human settlement would be a noble cause. Test out if Kass's genetics can benefit Yings and still be an ambassador.

Hmmmmm...

Aww... a bit of pity that Kass doesn't like being a girl. Oh well.

As I said, I would not like it if I were in his place, so I understand where he is coming from. My difference is that, while hating it, I would not deny it.

It's more that I think it would be fun as a meta narrative.

The greater good.

At least she's not working for Amazon.

I could definitely see the sir/ma'am distinction as being case-by-case if they're so rare, and 'sir' is also a lot snappier out-of-the-mouth, good for Showing Respect. Jal here probably has the titles of everybody who crosses that lift memorized

I like Jal, he seems relatable.

you relate to someone who openly justifies the death of their dreams and ambition, and has accepted working a menial role?

What Kass is thinking in the last panel is very similar to what I was getting at towards the very beginning of the comic. Not all jobs are glamorous or much appreciated, but all jobs contribute something no matter how big or small and there's definetly value to be seen in that.

I too would enjoy watching a yinglet ride up and down 3 times per day every day.... ^_~