Oh, +X/+0 now eh?

seems people thought it might be a little OP so a little change and it's not ^^

I personally thought it was underpowered and a burden. ^^;

just like me

You're never a burden <3 Though you are underpowered when you're under me ;3 XP

Your not a burden. :<

but, you're Tora. it's supposed to be "OP"! :D <3

Tora isn't OP :P she's weak ^^

:c

I wouldn't call this card OP, I'd call it "Dayum, son, I'm not using something that takes 5 of my life every time it dies. I only have 20 life. o_O;"

:P

Thats why you don't use it unless it's set up right for it


The reason it's broken though is if you couterspell it they take 5 damage and it goes into play anyway..... or if it's discarded or milled

granted that hurts but all you would have to do is use a card that makes both players disscard a card... you discard her.... and you have a 3/3 that buffs when she attacks on turn 3

now the fact you have to sacrifice so if she attacks and she's the only creature that means she kills herself to be a 6/3 and then comes back hurting you is a balancing factor

the other balancing fact is it happens on your upkeep so she's got summoning sickness the turn she comes back

yeah but there is no upside if someone can just keep this creature in the graveyard, and just because black has cards that reduce your own life, doesn't mean sacrificing to much is a good idea.

I would never play this card just because of how easy it would be to be used to kill you.

that's why i love it :P

you don't play a lot of black do you?

lol

there a lot of kill yourself to kill other people cards..... but there is also a lot of kill other people to gain life cards to balance it out

Hmm... Thinking it over, I think she needs a little something extra. As it stands she's not terribly good. The bonus effect on attack isn't that powerful, unfortunately.

I'm considering that she needs haste, though that'd make her a little too close to Mirri. Maybe deathtouch, since it might fit in terms of flavor. A "may" somewhere would make her better, but it kinda takes away from the card. Though an out of "At the beginning of upkeep, lose 5 life and return her to the battlefield or to your hand" might be good. It'd keep the "I'm going to suck your life to make sure I stick around" feel while also protecting you against combos that could kill her every turn before she can even get off an attack. Or perhaps make her return "a creature" to the battlefield rather than just herself, since she is a shaman?

I think you are right but also it should be more advantageous the fact that she basically at first gave a feel she doesnt use a black only deck. It seems to me this is perfect for a black/green deck where she could recover this life and the creature she sacrfices rather easily. Im jist guessing since the first pic was a green nymph. Why not add that she returns half of the creatures used in her buff at the cost of 1 black then it might seem better to use more often.

With gigi being a green nymph

Haste would be neat :P, deathtouch looks like it would fit

only 4 mana? noice

^^

I have already thought of 5 ways to break this card in EDH.

My god, I'm such a nerd that I can see this being used as a decent general and already know enough deadly combos to kill everyone with it.

yay! ^^ now i need to get magic the gathering on the phone :P

I would reword the second ability to:

At the beginning of your upkeep, if "Tora, Gloom witch" is in your graveyard, you may pay 5 live and return "Tora, Gloom witch" to the battlefield under your control.

First change is to make the ability optional, abilities that are 'good' are generally always optional to make the game more streamlined. They want to prevent situations where you go 'oh damn, I forgot to lose 5 live 2 turns ago'
Second change is to remove the check of whether one is already in play or not, the legendary rule will take care of that problem.

well the first is there because you need it :P otherwise they would keep killing each other :P, and the more optional you make it the more the card costs, also i kinda love cards like this ^^ so Xad got my perfectly :P

so you have to have her in play regardless, Wow if you put her out after loosing like 15 ife the opponenbt needst to hold on a bit becuse you kill yourself XD

Cool card a though

isnt the 5 life a bit much i mean you only have 20 to start

not really :P

you sure..

mmhmm

this... this is pretty good o.o;;;;

I need to get it now...

... I would sac it in to an opponent's white graveyard.

Hee hee, wow...! Even with my limited knowledge that sounds like quite the double-edged sword. :P
Epic and awesome, love :*

you know... with the way this says, if tora is your only creature it forces you to sac itself, then next turn you lose your 5 life the next turn

Huh. Legends rule would make this do weird things if multiples hit the graveyard at once.

I don't know all the cards, but if there was an enchantment or artifact or something that reversed life gain and loss from effects, this would work well with it, since it's pretty much 5 life every turn.