Many people look at some of the pictures that I've taken over the years and they think it's really cool to have such interactions with a big cat, and they sometimes don't stop to consider that having and interacting with a big cat isn't the same as the interactions with a domestic animal. In other words, they might take for granted that a relationship with a big cat, while it seems simple and casual enough, is the result of a lot of hard work and many, many hours of interaction, and in truth, a lot of dings and scrapes, scratches and bloodshed. If I had a dime for every time a cat had drawn blood on me, completely accidentilly, I'd be a rich man today!
In my tours with the public, and my interactions with people when telling them about these wonderful creatures, I always try to stress that these kinda of animals are not pets. They're not beasts that are ideally suited to household living or being indoors. I don't recommend it at all. Of course, people that know me well, and know about Shasta always have to jibe me: "But YOU had a cougar in your house!" Yeah. That's true. Shasta was a housecat. Even today, when people say the word "housecat" I always have to clarify that they mean the small, mini-kitties of the domestic variety. Truth be known, I loved every moment with Shasta in my house, but if you've read any of my journals ("Oh the Moments We Treasure" ) then you know it wasn't all fun and games. There were moments of total insanity, and knowing what I know today, things are different. I love Drifter and Macumba dearly as well, just like Shasta-of-old, but I'm happy to leave them in their cages. When I visit, I go into their homes (when they welcome me). It works for all of us today. So, let me get to my point.
I do indeed enjoy my hands-on time with the animals, and as some of the pix in my gallery display quite nicely, I have what I'd consider a great relationship with my cats. I love them, and I think they know that, so it's a two-way street, which I think is also apparent in the images. But these kinds of interactions with big cats are dangerous. Sure, it doesn't look that way. Most of these pictures, like this one, or the one of me hugging Macumba, make it look like nothing could be more common in all the universe. But in truth, it's not. It's dangerous. When you work with animals like this, you simply accept that there's a certain margin of risk. I accept the level of danger present. It's like skydiving; jumping out of a perfectly good aircraft has risks. Working with wild animals has risks too. That's really my point here. I've worked with these animals since they were kittens. I've been working and studying about big cats for 25-years, so I've got a bit of experience under my belt. Does that make me immune to the danger-factor? Not at all. The probability of disaster never changes; it's always there. All the many years of working with this kind of animal has simply taught me what "warning signs" to look for. Usually, I can see the little tell-tale signs of impending doom and I can usually circumvent things enough to stave off disaster. Someone that's new to the whole wild animal experience might not be so lucky, which is why I always tell people the realities: wild animals, no matter how "cute" they might appear to be, are still wild animals, and so will always be true to their nature. Cats are ambush predators. Whether or not you're their buddy, there's just no way around instincts. Instincts are hard-wired. They will always take priority over ALL other factors, including love and friendship. Now, having said all that, onwards and forwards!
Feline Trivia For-The-Day:
Strength - Exactly how strong is Drifter? While the exact, horsepower figure is hard to assess, on average, the typical cougar is about 4-5 times the strength of a human. How do I know that? Lots of study, and experience. One time, Drifter was about 2-y-o, and I was doing repairs on his cage. I was inside his cage with him. He didn't give a darn about the cage repairs, he just wanted me to pay attention to him. So finally, I did. We had a little, impromptu wrestle-match, and he was getting quite a bit more rough with me than he ever had before (all those hormones kicking in as he was getting older). We ended up into the double entry, and I was starting to get a bit nervous as to how to keep him from really getting spun up. So, I ended up up, literally laying on him, and mushing him down to the ground with my entire body-weight. I always know if Drifter's having fun, as he'll purr pretty much non-stop. In this case, once I had him semi-restrained, there was just a little bit of a stutter in his purring. He didn't like being restrained; no wild animal does. So, we just remained there, frozen for a long moment, and then, his purring stuttered again, and he stood up. Ayup. I mean that literally. Even with my 200-lbs (90kg) versus his hundred (45kg), smacking him flat onto the ground, he just flexed a tiny little bit, and lifted us both up, with me still firmly on his back, as if I didn't weigh a thing. He didn't strain, grunt or anything. To say I was impressed is putting it mildly. So, Drifter, and any other big cat, is many, many times stronger that us weak, pathetic humans. For a leopard like Macumba, it's closer to 6-8 time our strength. For a tiger, such as Genesis, or a lion like Mufasa, it's about twenty. For a tiger the size of Java, probably twenty-five. What does all the mean in more basic terms? If they hug you, even with them being your friend, with even a portion of their strength, they can literally break you in half, and not even strain in doing it.
Okay, so that's the big cat danger lesson for the day. Let me get on to babbling about the picture.
This is one of my long-ago pix of Drifter. He's about eleven months old in this pic; he's barely more than a kitten. This is a fun pix, as it not only displays my buddy-buddy relationship that I've had with him for a long time now, but it's also one of those Priceless Moments pictures that even looking at it myself, sends my spirits soaring. It's all the Priceless Moments that you have in life that not only make you feel truly alive, but make you feel so completely and profoundly content. It is a joy beyond description.
In this picture, people have asked me so many times: "Is it dead?" Nope. Drifter's quite alive and well. He's always trusted me, so he never minded being draped across my shoulders with his entire underside exposed to me. You'll notice that I've got a good grip on his rear paw. Remember, there four daggers in that paw. He he were to feel insecure in his perch, all those cleats are gonna come out and find purchase somewhere, such as imbedding themselves into my chest, for example, so it's in my best interests to keep that paw in my grasp, and by so doing, keep him happily stable in his perch. You can also see my other hand and arm, supporting his shoulder. Why's he leaning down like that? You can't see it here, but he's literally chewing the sleeve off my t-shirt. Drifter, for whatever reason, always had a thing for my t-shirts. They'd start out normal, but after a few visits, the left side would be sleeveless. Then, he'd shift to the right side. Then, it'd be clearly time for a new t-shirt. If you look closely at the shirt, you can see there's a lot of little holes in it. Think claws! Really sharp claws!
I should also point out how long Drifters tail is. It's literally about 33-inches (84cm), so you can see it here, going from his hinnie, and vanishing behind the denbox. It's tip is not far from my knee. This pic is also kinda good at illustrating the general size of his paw versus my hand. If you compare the two, especially considering that his right paw is touching the box on his tip-toes, you can see that his paw is bigger than my hand.
So, that's Drifter and me. Don't try this at home folks. It's just not a prudent - or very smart - thing to be doing with a cougar. Why am I? Because I'm a moron, and it's fun! In truth, I don't do things like that anymore with Drifter. It's just not a wise thing to do with an adult cat. It's one thing to have a cougar kitten standing on your head; it's quite another to have an adult cat doing the same. Nonetheless, I wanted to share another Priceless Moment picture with you.
People often ask: "Do you love your cats?" As a picture is worth a thousand words, I offer this one in answer to that question. Do I love Drifter? Yeah. How much? Enough to be on cloud nine while he's chewing my sleeve off. :)
This picture was taken somewhere around Oct-Nov 99. It was taken with an old Kodak, consumer-grade digital camera (aka junk). I can't rattle of the specs, as this camera didn't record any of that info.
Disclaimer: I hate to have to put this on here, but the pic is copyright me. Please do not distribute, copy, alter, etc, without my permission. Having said all that, feel free to download and use it for your own inspiration.
In my tours with the public, and my interactions with people when telling them about these wonderful creatures, I always try to stress that these kinda of animals are not pets. They're not beasts that are ideally suited to household living or being indoors. I don't recommend it at all. Of course, people that know me well, and know about Shasta always have to jibe me: "But YOU had a cougar in your house!" Yeah. That's true. Shasta was a housecat. Even today, when people say the word "housecat" I always have to clarify that they mean the small, mini-kitties of the domestic variety. Truth be known, I loved every moment with Shasta in my house, but if you've read any of my journals ("Oh the Moments We Treasure" ) then you know it wasn't all fun and games. There were moments of total insanity, and knowing what I know today, things are different. I love Drifter and Macumba dearly as well, just like Shasta-of-old, but I'm happy to leave them in their cages. When I visit, I go into their homes (when they welcome me). It works for all of us today. So, let me get to my point.
I do indeed enjoy my hands-on time with the animals, and as some of the pix in my gallery display quite nicely, I have what I'd consider a great relationship with my cats. I love them, and I think they know that, so it's a two-way street, which I think is also apparent in the images. But these kinds of interactions with big cats are dangerous. Sure, it doesn't look that way. Most of these pictures, like this one, or the one of me hugging Macumba, make it look like nothing could be more common in all the universe. But in truth, it's not. It's dangerous. When you work with animals like this, you simply accept that there's a certain margin of risk. I accept the level of danger present. It's like skydiving; jumping out of a perfectly good aircraft has risks. Working with wild animals has risks too. That's really my point here. I've worked with these animals since they were kittens. I've been working and studying about big cats for 25-years, so I've got a bit of experience under my belt. Does that make me immune to the danger-factor? Not at all. The probability of disaster never changes; it's always there. All the many years of working with this kind of animal has simply taught me what "warning signs" to look for. Usually, I can see the little tell-tale signs of impending doom and I can usually circumvent things enough to stave off disaster. Someone that's new to the whole wild animal experience might not be so lucky, which is why I always tell people the realities: wild animals, no matter how "cute" they might appear to be, are still wild animals, and so will always be true to their nature. Cats are ambush predators. Whether or not you're their buddy, there's just no way around instincts. Instincts are hard-wired. They will always take priority over ALL other factors, including love and friendship. Now, having said all that, onwards and forwards!
Feline Trivia For-The-Day:
Strength - Exactly how strong is Drifter? While the exact, horsepower figure is hard to assess, on average, the typical cougar is about 4-5 times the strength of a human. How do I know that? Lots of study, and experience. One time, Drifter was about 2-y-o, and I was doing repairs on his cage. I was inside his cage with him. He didn't give a darn about the cage repairs, he just wanted me to pay attention to him. So finally, I did. We had a little, impromptu wrestle-match, and he was getting quite a bit more rough with me than he ever had before (all those hormones kicking in as he was getting older). We ended up into the double entry, and I was starting to get a bit nervous as to how to keep him from really getting spun up. So, I ended up up, literally laying on him, and mushing him down to the ground with my entire body-weight. I always know if Drifter's having fun, as he'll purr pretty much non-stop. In this case, once I had him semi-restrained, there was just a little bit of a stutter in his purring. He didn't like being restrained; no wild animal does. So, we just remained there, frozen for a long moment, and then, his purring stuttered again, and he stood up. Ayup. I mean that literally. Even with my 200-lbs (90kg) versus his hundred (45kg), smacking him flat onto the ground, he just flexed a tiny little bit, and lifted us both up, with me still firmly on his back, as if I didn't weigh a thing. He didn't strain, grunt or anything. To say I was impressed is putting it mildly. So, Drifter, and any other big cat, is many, many times stronger that us weak, pathetic humans. For a leopard like Macumba, it's closer to 6-8 time our strength. For a tiger, such as Genesis, or a lion like Mufasa, it's about twenty. For a tiger the size of Java, probably twenty-five. What does all the mean in more basic terms? If they hug you, even with them being your friend, with even a portion of their strength, they can literally break you in half, and not even strain in doing it.
Okay, so that's the big cat danger lesson for the day. Let me get on to babbling about the picture.
This is one of my long-ago pix of Drifter. He's about eleven months old in this pic; he's barely more than a kitten. This is a fun pix, as it not only displays my buddy-buddy relationship that I've had with him for a long time now, but it's also one of those Priceless Moments pictures that even looking at it myself, sends my spirits soaring. It's all the Priceless Moments that you have in life that not only make you feel truly alive, but make you feel so completely and profoundly content. It is a joy beyond description.
In this picture, people have asked me so many times: "Is it dead?" Nope. Drifter's quite alive and well. He's always trusted me, so he never minded being draped across my shoulders with his entire underside exposed to me. You'll notice that I've got a good grip on his rear paw. Remember, there four daggers in that paw. He he were to feel insecure in his perch, all those cleats are gonna come out and find purchase somewhere, such as imbedding themselves into my chest, for example, so it's in my best interests to keep that paw in my grasp, and by so doing, keep him happily stable in his perch. You can also see my other hand and arm, supporting his shoulder. Why's he leaning down like that? You can't see it here, but he's literally chewing the sleeve off my t-shirt. Drifter, for whatever reason, always had a thing for my t-shirts. They'd start out normal, but after a few visits, the left side would be sleeveless. Then, he'd shift to the right side. Then, it'd be clearly time for a new t-shirt. If you look closely at the shirt, you can see there's a lot of little holes in it. Think claws! Really sharp claws!
I should also point out how long Drifters tail is. It's literally about 33-inches (84cm), so you can see it here, going from his hinnie, and vanishing behind the denbox. It's tip is not far from my knee. This pic is also kinda good at illustrating the general size of his paw versus my hand. If you compare the two, especially considering that his right paw is touching the box on his tip-toes, you can see that his paw is bigger than my hand.
So, that's Drifter and me. Don't try this at home folks. It's just not a prudent - or very smart - thing to be doing with a cougar. Why am I? Because I'm a moron, and it's fun! In truth, I don't do things like that anymore with Drifter. It's just not a wise thing to do with an adult cat. It's one thing to have a cougar kitten standing on your head; it's quite another to have an adult cat doing the same. Nonetheless, I wanted to share another Priceless Moment picture with you.
People often ask: "Do you love your cats?" As a picture is worth a thousand words, I offer this one in answer to that question. Do I love Drifter? Yeah. How much? Enough to be on cloud nine while he's chewing my sleeve off. :)
This picture was taken somewhere around Oct-Nov 99. It was taken with an old Kodak, consumer-grade digital camera (aka junk). I can't rattle of the specs, as this camera didn't record any of that info.
Disclaimer: I hate to have to put this on here, but the pic is copyright me. Please do not distribute, copy, alter, etc, without my permission. Having said all that, feel free to download and use it for your own inspiration.
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Macumba's a little heavier at 150lbs (68kg), but I've never let him stand on my head, as it's just not something you'd do with a leopard and live to tell the tale. :)
About the pix, I've taken most of them myself, with the exception of the ones that I'm in, and then it's usually friends that are watching (and waiting for me to get bloodied). :)
About the pix, I've taken most of them myself, with the exception of the ones that I'm in, and then it's usually friends that are watching (and waiting for me to get bloodied). :)
I really appreciated your words and observations about living, working, and dealing with big cats. I've had many situations where folks have viewed my collection of big cat sculptures and told me they would want to own a "Pet" Tiger or Lion. I try to first discourage them by telling them about the cost of buying meat daily for the animals, and then tell them about the lack of good vets in the Southern California area who specialize in care for "Exotic" cats. I would like to use some of the experiences you've listed with this image to help explain to friends and people that these are not mere housepets, and hopefully keep some of these magnificent animals from being thrown away as "Junk pets" in the future.
Feel free to utilize anything you find on my pages and gallery to help to "educate" people about animals, big cats or otherwise. I think that the more of us out there trying to teach the in-general, ignorant populace that wild animals are /still/ wild even in captivity, then we're doing a good service to the people, and the animals.
I applaud whatever efforts your making. :)
I applaud whatever efforts your making. :)
Well, what I didn't say in the write-up, in the process of chewing off my sleeve, he bit me more than a few times. Oowwie! But it's all worth it!
Don't be too jealous: just close your eyes and imagine yourself where I am, and that the Drifter-kitty's chewing your sleeve off. That's sure to being a smile to your face (unless you're wearing a favorite shirt). :)
Don't be too jealous: just close your eyes and imagine yourself where I am, and that the Drifter-kitty's chewing your sleeve off. That's sure to being a smile to your face (unless you're wearing a favorite shirt). :)
I didn't read your entire book up there XD, but I do appreciate all you go through. ^^ I have a cousin (or 2nd cousin once removed, whatever) who raised a tiger and a lion, and he shared many stories and videos. :D I got to pet Cher Con (the tiger) who now weighs like 600 pounds, but Mara (lioness) died from some genetic disease. :(
Awesome! So you have some Priceless Moments of your own!
I'm saddened to hear about Mara, but that's pretty common in captivity. There's unfortunately a lot of inbreeding with many animals, and it can really screw up the genetics, which in turn messes up their longevity a lot. It's one of the saddest parts of captivity (which is to say, entirely mankind caused).
But I hope you remember all your Moments fondly!
I'm saddened to hear about Mara, but that's pretty common in captivity. There's unfortunately a lot of inbreeding with many animals, and it can really screw up the genetics, which in turn messes up their longevity a lot. It's one of the saddest parts of captivity (which is to say, entirely mankind caused).
But I hope you remember all your Moments fondly!
I actually didn't meet Lenny until after Mara died and Cher Con had to be sent to a wildlife sanctuary thing because he didn't have the facilities to keep a full-grown tiger.
BUT when Lenny took me to visit her, he played with her through the fence for a while, and then I called her name and made some sounds I learned on an Animal Planet show, and she suddenly forgot about him and ruuuuuubbed against the fence and growled softly as I played with her fur. She licked me, and the hooks on her tongue almost hurt. I was all happy and like "I have tiger spit on my hand! Beat THAT!!" XD
BUT when Lenny took me to visit her, he played with her through the fence for a while, and then I called her name and made some sounds I learned on an Animal Planet show, and she suddenly forgot about him and ruuuuuubbed against the fence and growled softly as I played with her fur. She licked me, and the hooks on her tongue almost hurt. I was all happy and like "I have tiger spit on my hand! Beat THAT!!" XD
I have a similar, tongue problem with Drifter. If he likes you, he wants to lick you. As I'll reach through the gate to pet and scratch, he totally licks the heck outta my hands and wrists and whatever else he can reach. And he's not gentle about it either! So we've come to tall it "tongue burn", as it feels just about the same as a burn, even though it's really that his tongue (or "papillae" as they're called) took the top layer of skin off, which is why it hurts like a burn.
But I definitely know what you mean; it's really quite a thrill to be able to have such close interactions with the animals, and it's something you remember for a lifetime!
But I definitely know what you mean; it's really quite a thrill to be able to have such close interactions with the animals, and it's something you remember for a lifetime!
Ayup! I wear my battle-scars proudly!
In truth, Drifter has never injured me purposefully. He's a bit rough sometimes, and has a deviant streak that won't quit, but it's always been accidental dings and scrapes, which I'm thankful for. He's always been a wonderfully-personalitied kitty.
In truth, Drifter has never injured me purposefully. He's a bit rough sometimes, and has a deviant streak that won't quit, but it's always been accidental dings and scrapes, which I'm thankful for. He's always been a wonderfully-personalitied kitty.
My priceless moment so far is getting to pet a couple of male lions after tiring them out playing chase with them for an hour or so. There is a video of me scritching them behind the ears and under the chin, which they seemed to really love, and I've just got the most stupid grin on my face :p
Always love seeing your photos, especially with the included trivia and details. I'd quite like to chat with you on an instant messenger sometime, if you might be willing.
Always love seeing your photos, especially with the included trivia and details. I'd quite like to chat with you on an instant messenger sometime, if you might be willing.
As long as you remember those Moments, they'll truly last you a lifetime! Videos and pictures enable us to reflect, and in most cases "relive" those magical Moments.
I don't really do the chat thing, although I used to spend a lot of time on TigerMUCK. I don't so much anymore, even though I miss it. I don't seem to have time anymore. Working at the office now, and an hour commute each way... But I'm always up for email and that sort of thing. On the other paw, I might still have a username with IM. I might hafta look... :)
I don't really do the chat thing, although I used to spend a lot of time on TigerMUCK. I don't so much anymore, even though I miss it. I don't seem to have time anymore. Working at the office now, and an hour commute each way... But I'm always up for email and that sort of thing. On the other paw, I might still have a username with IM. I might hafta look... :)
If you wanna see me looking dopey petting the lions, the video is online here: http://www.panthera-leo.co.uk/stuff.....ideo/Lions.mpg (or if that is being tricksy also on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwvF_nHtWZc )
Communication by email is certainly an option, I've just gotten into the habit of using IMs :p I know the feeling of not having much time for stuff though, somehow you don't really notice if you're kept busy with something else.
Communication by email is certainly an option, I've just gotten into the habit of using IMs :p I know the feeling of not having much time for stuff though, somehow you don't really notice if you're kept busy with something else.
Indeed. I am. But I try not to dwell on such things.
In fact, part of my wanting to share is to give your imagination a visual media where you can indulge your own visions. So just imagine yourself where I am, and let Drifter chew on your own sleeve for a moment or two (hopefully it's not a shirt you /really/ like). That's sure to bring a smile to your face. :)
There's not much to say: they - Drifter and Macumba - are a huge part of my life. I'm just horribly compelled to try and share it all with people. :)
In fact, part of my wanting to share is to give your imagination a visual media where you can indulge your own visions. So just imagine yourself where I am, and let Drifter chew on your own sleeve for a moment or two (hopefully it's not a shirt you /really/ like). That's sure to bring a smile to your face. :)
There's not much to say: they - Drifter and Macumba - are a huge part of my life. I'm just horribly compelled to try and share it all with people. :)
Well, I never considered myself a "badass", although "lunatic" and "insane" might be more than apt. :)
I guess we all do things that aren't very smart for the love of those moments. That's probably the best frame-of-reference for it all. I love the animals; they make my world spin. But there's also no way around the fact that there's always the potential for danger. I guess it's about trust. :)
As far as the sharing, you're very welcome. Sometimes, I babble a bit too much, but as long as it's a learning experience, maybe it's a good thing. As always, I'm glad to be able to share.
I guess we all do things that aren't very smart for the love of those moments. That's probably the best frame-of-reference for it all. I love the animals; they make my world spin. But there's also no way around the fact that there's always the potential for danger. I guess it's about trust. :)
As far as the sharing, you're very welcome. Sometimes, I babble a bit too much, but as long as it's a learning experience, maybe it's a good thing. As always, I'm glad to be able to share.
I started out in field biology, but got really disheartened with it, and moved to captive work. I'm starting to set up a facility where we'll do research for species preservation, which will eventually take possession of Drifter and Macumba. I'm very excited about the prospects, even though it will be a very small facility.
Having said all that, there's lots and lots of opportunities to work with animals out there. None of them pay anything remarkable, but they have many other rewards, as you can see above. :)
Having said all that, there's lots and lots of opportunities to work with animals out there. None of them pay anything remarkable, but they have many other rewards, as you can see above. :)
That is a simply fantastic picture -- no hyperbole. I'm not enough of a cat person to put in the years of effort it must have taken to get there, but in a lazy way I envy you.
My priceless moment: being mobbed by a litter of half-grown wolf pups. I treasure the tooth-scratched glasses I was (suddenly not) wearing at the time, just because they remind me of how much fun I was having while I tried to get them back from Mosi's jaws.
My priceless moment: being mobbed by a litter of half-grown wolf pups. I treasure the tooth-scratched glasses I was (suddenly not) wearing at the time, just because they remind me of how much fun I was having while I tried to get them back from Mosi's jaws.
You know, in life, I've done a thing or two, but for the life of me, I can't think of a single thing that compares to the work with animals. I have some similar memories.
Drifter was raised with a wonderful wolf named Saber. Both were very social, but it was always a challene to be in the cage with them, as Saber would be totally in your face, demanding attention (as wolves are wont to do) and seeing that you were distracted, Drifter would take it upon himself to leap up, bounce off the side of the cage, and totally broadside you. If Saber was in the right - or is that wrong? - place, you'd end up on your arse, and then they'd both be all over you! Oh what great fun it was! And you're right; there's nothing so sacred as getting totally mobbed by a wolf pup gang! Priceless Memories indeed!
Drifter was raised with a wonderful wolf named Saber. Both were very social, but it was always a challene to be in the cage with them, as Saber would be totally in your face, demanding attention (as wolves are wont to do) and seeing that you were distracted, Drifter would take it upon himself to leap up, bounce off the side of the cage, and totally broadside you. If Saber was in the right - or is that wrong? - place, you'd end up on your arse, and then they'd both be all over you! Oh what great fun it was! And you're right; there's nothing so sacred as getting totally mobbed by a wolf pup gang! Priceless Memories indeed!
There are lots of places around the world doing cheetah conservation and research, even here in the US. White Oak Plantation in GA is probably the largest and most well known here, besides the San Diego Zoo/CRES facilities. But if you ever travel to South Africa, there's at least three reservations down there that are all doing some fantastic work.
When I was just out of high school I did volunteer work at a small zoo where I lived, and got to work with a tiger cub and a cougar cub. I know what it's like handling animals like that and I still get the chance every so often (although nothing like the big cats... more it's dealing with snakes and parrots at the local pet store.) I still love watching animals in the wild and have had some interesting encounters, such as being in Yellowstone and having a bison stick his muzzle in your car window... or going to the car past the two elk standing nearby.
It's very fine, but still rather course comparing to most domestic cats. It's quite a bit finer than human hair. Tiger fur and human hair is pretty close, and then lions are at the "course" end of the spectrum. Bobcats are very soft fur, and lynx even softer; they're really close to domestics. Some of the /really/ small cats, like the Gordons Wildcat and the Jeffroys Cat have very fine fur, and tthe ones, such as Jagarundi's are like velvet. :)
awww I bet! I got to pet and feed a red panda, his fur felt like a huskey's fur. He was so cute! His name's Kachin. That was when I was living in Calgary Alberta last summer. I just moved from there to a small boring town in the maritimes. I never got to pet any of the predatorial animals when I worked at the zoo there in Calgary. I would have volunteered or something if I was living there still.
For Drifter at that age, his two fondest things were "Cage Bouncing" (I'll have to describe that later, as it's an essay in and of itself) and climbing onto my back for a piggy-back ride around the cage. Of course, standing on my head came in a close third. In truth, I rather enjoyed them both, even though he could be a bit of a rough-and-tumble kitten at times.
Drifter's always been a social kitty; were he sentient, I truly believe he could have fun at an insurance seminar. :)
Drifter's always been a social kitty; were he sentient, I truly believe he could have fun at an insurance seminar. :)
The pic's a little misleading, as it's a total side-shot. His tail is kinda fuzzy underneath, so it looks a bit thicker than it is.
As he's gotten older, he's filled out a lot more, muscle-wise, and he's become a pretty stout kitty; gone are his lanky teenager days! Now, this tail's just as obnoxiously long, but it's not quite as thick-looking, now that he's a much more muscular kitty.
As he's gotten older, he's filled out a lot more, muscle-wise, and he's become a pretty stout kitty; gone are his lanky teenager days! Now, this tail's just as obnoxiously long, but it's not quite as thick-looking, now that he's a much more muscular kitty.
I had an interesting experience with one of the other cougars once: Sage, who I've only got one pic of in the gallery. His tail is bigger around than my arm; it's huge.
Sage is /really/ social and when you're in the cage cleaning, he'll follow you around cuz he wants a hug. He'll jump onto anything to get face height with you so he can get it too.
So I was in his cage once, cleaning, and he jumped on his denbox. I gave him his hug, and went back to cleaning, and turned so I was almost back-to-him (yup; not a smart thing to do!) He leaped over my shoulder, and whacked his tail across my upper back, and it felt something akin to being hit with a 2x4. It dern near put me forward onto my knees. Lucky for me, Sage is the most gentle-spirited kitty on the planet. :)
So, moral of the story: cougie tails can be lethal weapons!
Sage is /really/ social and when you're in the cage cleaning, he'll follow you around cuz he wants a hug. He'll jump onto anything to get face height with you so he can get it too.
So I was in his cage once, cleaning, and he jumped on his denbox. I gave him his hug, and went back to cleaning, and turned so I was almost back-to-him (yup; not a smart thing to do!) He leaped over my shoulder, and whacked his tail across my upper back, and it felt something akin to being hit with a 2x4. It dern near put me forward onto my knees. Lucky for me, Sage is the most gentle-spirited kitty on the planet. :)
So, moral of the story: cougie tails can be lethal weapons!
I currently have eight domestic cats and everything you say about their larger distant cousins is true about them. They are only domesticated as far as THEY want to be. Try stuffing the smallest, daintiest of the lot into the dreaded green traveling cage for a trip to the vet and we have a feline werewolf transformation. Antiseptic and Band-Aids time -- for me, not for her. :)
For anyone who has been moved by your "adventures" with your "house cats" I can only say, PLEASE turn your envy and love to supporting a big cat rescue organization. Many will send pictures of the cat (or cats) you will be "adopting" with your donations, others will periodically post pictures up on their website. It's really the best way to "own" a big cat if you do not have the proper facilities to house them ā best for them ā and whatās best for them is really what itās all about, right?
For anyone who has been moved by your "adventures" with your "house cats" I can only say, PLEASE turn your envy and love to supporting a big cat rescue organization. Many will send pictures of the cat (or cats) you will be "adopting" with your donations, others will periodically post pictures up on their website. It's really the best way to "own" a big cat if you do not have the proper facilities to house them ā best for them ā and whatās best for them is really what itās all about, right?
I feel for you, Sir Lionus. I've been there, done that a few times myself, but I sear my scars proudly.
I've been there with a few of the big ones too. Some really hate to load up, and it can be a real challenge. You can't always just grab them and stuff them in. Drifter's fun, as you just wad up a paper towel or something and pitch it into the crate, and he'll step right in after it. He doesn't care at all. Macumba spent the first four months of his life in a crate, traveling, so he loads really easy too. With him, he doesn't like getting shots. I had him at the vet when he was little, and the vet needed to give him a shot. So I held him with him and I face to face, and the vet gave him the shot in his hinnie. Macumba let out a snarl, leaned right down, and bit my arm. Ouch! But hey, what fair is fair, right? The shot hurt, so he needed to bite something.
Thanx also for your words. Good ones indeed! So many people thing that "owning" such a animals (whether a feline or canine) is great, but often, they have no experience at all, and really no concept of what it takes and what level of commitment is required. So I concur wholeheartedly with what you're saying; help out the orgs already in place that do rescue or housing. They (usually) know what they're doing. Volunteer help and donated funds can go a long, long ways, and for a lot of orgs, the volunteers can work very closely with the animals.
Best wishes to you, Sir Lionus, and your pride of mini-kitties. :)
I've been there with a few of the big ones too. Some really hate to load up, and it can be a real challenge. You can't always just grab them and stuff them in. Drifter's fun, as you just wad up a paper towel or something and pitch it into the crate, and he'll step right in after it. He doesn't care at all. Macumba spent the first four months of his life in a crate, traveling, so he loads really easy too. With him, he doesn't like getting shots. I had him at the vet when he was little, and the vet needed to give him a shot. So I held him with him and I face to face, and the vet gave him the shot in his hinnie. Macumba let out a snarl, leaned right down, and bit my arm. Ouch! But hey, what fair is fair, right? The shot hurt, so he needed to bite something.
Thanx also for your words. Good ones indeed! So many people thing that "owning" such a animals (whether a feline or canine) is great, but often, they have no experience at all, and really no concept of what it takes and what level of commitment is required. So I concur wholeheartedly with what you're saying; help out the orgs already in place that do rescue or housing. They (usually) know what they're doing. Volunteer help and donated funds can go a long, long ways, and for a lot of orgs, the volunteers can work very closely with the animals.
Best wishes to you, Sir Lionus, and your pride of mini-kitties. :)
Is it that easy to keep Big Cats in the US? I just ask because I have seen Videos on youtube putted online from Big Cat Rescue of awful "facilities" they call "sideroad zoo" were they keep Big Cats...
I read (some News Page online, can't remember which one) that they not long ago shot a tiger after killing a woman in the US.
I don't get how you can mistake a Big Cat for a Pet and as soon as something happens it's the animals fault and it becomes shot down. I thought humans are the more intelligent ones yet such people refuse to act responsible...
I read (some News Page online, can't remember which one) that they not long ago shot a tiger after killing a woman in the US.
I don't get how you can mistake a Big Cat for a Pet and as soon as something happens it's the animals fault and it becomes shot down. I thought humans are the more intelligent ones yet such people refuse to act responsible...
Unfortunately, a lot of things have change in the last 20-years. Laws are getting more strict, which is good in some ways, as it makes things harder for total morons to get licensed to possess big cats, but it doesn't stop people from getting them and keeping them illegally.
In truth, problems happen all the time, mostly because out of the several thousand facilities across the US (I can't speak to other countries), there's probably less than a hundred of them that are really run well and by knowledgeable people. The rest are people who think that a big cat (or other wild animal) is "cool" to have as a "pet", and it's a "status symbol" or some such other thing. I try and get across to people that they're /not/ pets, but people will always have their own perspectives.
Unfortunately, whether it's due to lack of ability, money, or knowledge, most of the animals pay the price for the ignorance. If the animals escape because of inadequate caging, they usually pay with their life, especially if someone is injured.
As far as humans being "more intelligent", I'd have to say, there is an awful lot of empirical data to disprove that theory, but perhaps that's just the opinion of a cynical realist who's been fighting for the animals much, much too long. :)
In truth, problems happen all the time, mostly because out of the several thousand facilities across the US (I can't speak to other countries), there's probably less than a hundred of them that are really run well and by knowledgeable people. The rest are people who think that a big cat (or other wild animal) is "cool" to have as a "pet", and it's a "status symbol" or some such other thing. I try and get across to people that they're /not/ pets, but people will always have their own perspectives.
Unfortunately, whether it's due to lack of ability, money, or knowledge, most of the animals pay the price for the ignorance. If the animals escape because of inadequate caging, they usually pay with their life, especially if someone is injured.
As far as humans being "more intelligent", I'd have to say, there is an awful lot of empirical data to disprove that theory, but perhaps that's just the opinion of a cynical realist who's been fighting for the animals much, much too long. :)
> In truth, problems happen all the time, mostly because out of the several thousand facilities across the US (I can't speak to other countries), there's probably less than a hundred of them that are really run well and by knowledgeable people.
D'pends on where ya draw that "*really* run well" line, I guess, but I'd've placed the number rather higher (into three digits) by extrapolation for "generally well run", even if not visited that number of facilities/owners personally. And the mainstream AZA zoos ain't generally counting large in that.
IMO, the "laws getting more strict" only "works" when that's within a constructive framework, rather than the more common AR/deep-AW driven tendency to push for legislation which makes it impossible for good owners to keep visible, well-run operations going whilst compromising the well-being of other felines by cutting off all legal access to vets, networking , etc.
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Good, informative coug-spiel, etc., as usual btw, SC. Thanks & keep up that positive cynicism.
Great to have you back & *purrs* to y'all. :)
D'pends on where ya draw that "*really* run well" line, I guess, but I'd've placed the number rather higher (into three digits) by extrapolation for "generally well run", even if not visited that number of facilities/owners personally. And the mainstream AZA zoos ain't generally counting large in that.
IMO, the "laws getting more strict" only "works" when that's within a constructive framework, rather than the more common AR/deep-AW driven tendency to push for legislation which makes it impossible for good owners to keep visible, well-run operations going whilst compromising the well-being of other felines by cutting off all legal access to vets, networking , etc.
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Good, informative coug-spiel, etc., as usual btw, SC. Thanks & keep up that positive cynicism.
Great to have you back & *purrs* to y'all. :)
(shasta grins and nods) Well, most of the time, the laws are more of a knee-jerk reaction that really has nothing to do with reality, as the lawmakers don't know anything about the animals either. They think that they're making it safe, then they're really just being a nuisance. Legislation that holds the owners responsible and accountible for their actions, including the escape of animals, would be excellent. What the lawmakers always forget is that regardless of the laws and "banning" the animals (which is what usually happens) it doesn't just magically make the animals go away. They never think about that part. It's all the "It's someone else's problem" attitude of politics that's really disheartening for the folks that are really trying to do something good for the animals.
Oh... I should stop now. Didn't mean to rant.
(Shasta steps off his soap box and puts it away, and slinks off to hide)
Oh... I should stop now. Didn't mean to rant.
(Shasta steps off his soap box and puts it away, and slinks off to hide)
Hm, well all I know is that in Germany it's damn hard to even keep a Fox legaly not to speak from a Big Cat. I only know one person who keeps a cheetah privately and is not an Animal Trainer ("Movie Animal School"), Sanctuary or Zoo. But then I only know two Big Cat Sanctuaries at all in whole Germany. I guess people who keep Big Cats privately want to stay anonymous or there simply aren't as many...
Well, thanks, it's always nice to get to hear first hand information from people who have experiences with "exotic" animals.
Well, thanks, it's always nice to get to hear first hand information from people who have experiences with "exotic" animals.
It is getting more and more difficult to house and care for all the various exotics, mostly because of changes in laws. There are many countries that are extremely strict about exotics, especially "private ownership". So I definitely feel for the plight of Germany, and Germans who might want to take on the challenge of an exotic cat.
But thanx. I'm glad my comments are helpful.
But thanx. I'm glad my comments are helpful.
(Shasta grins deviantly) Oh, I'm not going anywhere, Spirits willing. I'm still as feisty as ever, just a bit more cynical, and a bit more firm in my "realist" perspectives.
In truth, I have sworn the most solemn oaths to two individuals that I have loved dearly, first Shasta of the olden days, and more recently, to Dagger: I shall forever keep up the fight, until the very last drop of my blood has been shed, and the last beat of my heart has pounded. Such is my oath and duty.
In truth, I have sworn the most solemn oaths to two individuals that I have loved dearly, first Shasta of the olden days, and more recently, to Dagger: I shall forever keep up the fight, until the very last drop of my blood has been shed, and the last beat of my heart has pounded. Such is my oath and duty.
Well, comparing to most, Drifter's pretty small. Dagger was a monster-cougar at 242lbs (110kg), and even Shasta was about 195lbs (88kg). Sage and Shaman are both monsters too at 200lbs. Drifter weighs in now at about 130lbs (59kg). Not too bad, unless he's hitting you at mach-2 (which he's been known to do). :)
Wonderful capture, as always. I really enjoy seeing the photos you post. And really well said, I am glad you put such disclaimers on your photos about the exotic cats *not* being pets. I have worked in wildlife rehab and exotics rescue for many years and sometimes I feel like a broken record saying these things over and over to people!
Oh, I'll keep plugging away at ignorant hyoomons. :)
And all things considered, the animals really love the interaction; it's wonderful enrichment for them, and for me too. I love every moment I'm able to spend with them, though it's really limited now, because of my job-relocation. :(
And all things considered, the animals really love the interaction; it's wonderful enrichment for them, and for me too. I love every moment I'm able to spend with them, though it's really limited now, because of my job-relocation. :(
I'm glad you point this out because people don't seem to understand that any animal with an amazing top speed or an impressive jump height need to have a strength that is in MULTIPLES of their body weight in order to attain these feats. Even housecats, but they weight only 10 to 20lbs so human can easily restrain them (although I personally own a 25lb fit and muscular mainecoon who requires two people to keep in the tub at bathtime lol)
so I agree with you entirely. As fun as it is to have these big loving cats they are dangerous even when they have only the purest of intentions.
so I agree with you entirely. As fun as it is to have these big loving cats they are dangerous even when they have only the purest of intentions.
And what fun we're having too!
I have another shot that I've thought about posting, but it's kinds tends to take people in the totally opposite direction that I'm trying to tell them (much like this one does). It's Drifter, totally on my back, one rear paw in each of my hands, and both forelegs and paws draped over my shoulders, with his head over mine. It's the "piggy-back" ride around the cage that Drifter used to really enjoy (so did I).
But usually, people say "Cool! I wanna do that!" and they done hear a word I'm saying about, "yeah, this is 'fun' and 'cool' but it's also lunacy and certifiable insanity." But they're still stuck on "Cool! I wanna do that!"
I don't know if I'll pose that one or not. Maybe, since I was a moron and posted this one. :)
I have another shot that I've thought about posting, but it's kinds tends to take people in the totally opposite direction that I'm trying to tell them (much like this one does). It's Drifter, totally on my back, one rear paw in each of my hands, and both forelegs and paws draped over my shoulders, with his head over mine. It's the "piggy-back" ride around the cage that Drifter used to really enjoy (so did I).
But usually, people say "Cool! I wanna do that!" and they done hear a word I'm saying about, "yeah, this is 'fun' and 'cool' but it's also lunacy and certifiable insanity." But they're still stuck on "Cool! I wanna do that!"
I don't know if I'll pose that one or not. Maybe, since I was a moron and posted this one. :)
Well it does look cool, until it rips your head off and makes a candy dish out of it. People just forget that they are still wild no matter how calm they seems. Insincts can't be trained out, the second you forget that the animal has to be respected and watched at all times your a goner.
I had feared that my fascination with big cats would wind me up in the hospital... or even the morgue, but it's merely an issue of educating oneself. And it's not as obvious as one might think. A playful tiger, doing nothing more than brushing up against you, could inadvertently, and severely, damage your leg, your arm, or wherever you've been rubbed.
Imagine a common housecat. Now multiply their size by 50 and their strength by 500.
Ever been scratched by a cat? They can draw blood.
If you're scratched by a big cat, you're looking at staples, stitches and medical bills...
I have a great deal of respect for big cats. I love them myself... even find them attractive in their own way. But never for a moment will I disrespect a big cat. They are given their power for a reason.
Never ignore the extreme danger.
Imagine a common housecat. Now multiply their size by 50 and their strength by 500.
Ever been scratched by a cat? They can draw blood.
If you're scratched by a big cat, you're looking at staples, stitches and medical bills...
I have a great deal of respect for big cats. I love them myself... even find them attractive in their own way. But never for a moment will I disrespect a big cat. They are given their power for a reason.
Never ignore the extreme danger.
All very true. In all my years, I've been mauled (not my or the cat's fault, but abuse in its environment), scratched, scraped, dinged, and bitten. For the most part, it's all the par for the course. Obviously, keeping the serious injuries to a minimum is the main objective. :)
The real trick with cats, as you said, is educating yourself and truly coming to understand behaviorals and instinctual triggers. If you avoid things that trigger those, then likely you'll do extremely well, and live a long life. Lack of understanding...well, let's just not go there. :)
The real trick with cats, as you said, is educating yourself and truly coming to understand behaviorals and instinctual triggers. If you avoid things that trigger those, then likely you'll do extremely well, and live a long life. Lack of understanding...well, let's just not go there. :)
amazing... simply, amazing...the picture...the story... you sir, have brought tears to my eyes, joy to have seen such wonderful love for some of mother nature's most dangerous creatures... and a hint of jealousy at the lovely existence you've had alongside them... this... this has made my day, and for that I thank you. keep up the good work, and may your friends keep with you for a long time to come...
Thank you sincerely for your kind words. I don't even know how to respond.
It's hard sometimes to fully articulate the feeling's I have for the animals. While it's not entirely on-topic, I might recommend that you look into my journals, for the December '06 one about Dagger. There, I think, I've done a decent job of capturing a few things.
I should warn you in advance: people have said that it's a very emotionally-powerful entry, and quite long besides.
In any case, it is my fondest hope that you will continue to find both joy and inspirations in the animals here; they are my life and my balance, and I love to share them in hopes that others also will find peace and contentment in them.
It's hard sometimes to fully articulate the feeling's I have for the animals. While it's not entirely on-topic, I might recommend that you look into my journals, for the December '06 one about Dagger. There, I think, I've done a decent job of capturing a few things.
I should warn you in advance: people have said that it's a very emotionally-powerful entry, and quite long besides.
In any case, it is my fondest hope that you will continue to find both joy and inspirations in the animals here; they are my life and my balance, and I love to share them in hopes that others also will find peace and contentment in them.
That's a nice statement. I've been around big cats for 10 years now (mostly tigers) and I only had once the ocassion of meeting a big cat without bars in between them. That was really strange, like something to hold on was missing, but it was a nice experience, a memory that too soon bleached out, because my brain obviously couldn't deal with the amount of impressions.
However, ever since, I limited my contact to just stroking them through the bars and even that I do only, when I've been knowing the animal for a while and my intuition is telling me, that it's safe. And that leads me to the most important point: Not only you have to trust a big cat, when you want to be closer to it, the cat has to trust YOU! Every dog owner knows, what happens, when a dog is not trusting them in uncertain situations. They take over control. But with a big cat, that is not trusting YOU, it is much more dangerous. They might allow you to touch them, but from one moment to the other they might decide, that you could harm them and - god damn - a 500 pound tiger can really move faster than you think. Therefore it's very very important, that both parties know each other, knowing each others reactions and that takes time. We received mails from people asking, if they could visit us and touch a tiger and after a while I was so fed up with answering, that I had to put a statement on our webpage.
And that is why I'm happy about you telling about your experiences. I hope people read, think and re-consider before ever asking again any big cat owner. I hope people get an idea, that it really takes time for both and that acceptance is mutual. You sometimes even have to accept the fact, that a big cat might not want to deal with you at all.
However, ever since, I limited my contact to just stroking them through the bars and even that I do only, when I've been knowing the animal for a while and my intuition is telling me, that it's safe. And that leads me to the most important point: Not only you have to trust a big cat, when you want to be closer to it, the cat has to trust YOU! Every dog owner knows, what happens, when a dog is not trusting them in uncertain situations. They take over control. But with a big cat, that is not trusting YOU, it is much more dangerous. They might allow you to touch them, but from one moment to the other they might decide, that you could harm them and - god damn - a 500 pound tiger can really move faster than you think. Therefore it's very very important, that both parties know each other, knowing each others reactions and that takes time. We received mails from people asking, if they could visit us and touch a tiger and after a while I was so fed up with answering, that I had to put a statement on our webpage.
And that is why I'm happy about you telling about your experiences. I hope people read, think and re-consider before ever asking again any big cat owner. I hope people get an idea, that it really takes time for both and that acceptance is mutual. You sometimes even have to accept the fact, that a big cat might not want to deal with you at all.
I have found the biggest "issue" with people is about perspective. They see a tiger, or any big cat or wild animal in captivity, and they see it acting "tame" and maybe even friendly, and they don't stop to realize that tame or no, looking friendly or no, and they somehow equate the animal to being "nice" to everyone like it's a domestic puppy or something. Very rarely is that the case. I've seen people stick fingers in the cages to "pet the kitty" and subsequently loose them. People's perspective (in many aspects) are their worst enemy, mostly because reality and their interpretation of reality are far, far different.
I'm glad to meet a fellow "cat worker"; I'm now approaching - gasp! - 28 years of being possessed by large felines. It's been an interesting ride, and I'm hoping for 28 more!
I'm glad to meet a fellow "cat worker"; I'm now approaching - gasp! - 28 years of being possessed by large felines. It's been an interesting ride, and I'm hoping for 28 more!
Please forgive my two-year+ absence. Life, for a while, has been a bit overwhelming and depressing, but I'm trying to recover and get back into things here (hopefully updating my page here eventually).
There are many orgs out there (some good and some bad). I would encourage you to look around locally to you. You never know. You might have an org with animals closer than you think to you. :)
There are many orgs out there (some good and some bad). I would encourage you to look around locally to you. You never know. You might have an org with animals closer than you think to you. :)
Whoa, now i am the one that was way to slow for an answer....
I hope you recovered well and everything is good again in your life.
Well in the past 2 years, many things changed. I'm now able(and allowed) to pet many of the tigers, lions and cougars in the local zoo. Unfortunately the future of this zoo is
really really REALLY dark. I spend my whole money to help them but it's nothing to what they need. Aside of it, it's more like a political problem now where i don't want to talk further about it now.
For a short period i'm actually endless hapy in the zoo... and thats what i really need the most for now....
I hope you recovered well and everything is good again in your life.
Well in the past 2 years, many things changed. I'm now able(and allowed) to pet many of the tigers, lions and cougars in the local zoo. Unfortunately the future of this zoo is
really really REALLY dark. I spend my whole money to help them but it's nothing to what they need. Aside of it, it's more like a political problem now where i don't want to talk further about it now.
For a short period i'm actually endless hapy in the zoo... and thats what i really need the most for now....
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