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last month when I still worked for Miachels, I picked up a few viynl figures there and painted one for fun.
selling him for $80 if anyone wants
if not I may bring him to AC and try to hock him there
I also have a few bear shaped ones as well if anyone would be interested in a custom painted figure for about $100
selling him for $80 if anyone wants
if not I may bring him to AC and try to hock him there
I also have a few bear shaped ones as well if anyone would be interested in a custom painted figure for about $100
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Well if you were smart. They have these other ones like these at Blicks in shapes of animals. You can commission people and draw what they want. You can make more money like that. I just got no time.
So that just means I am not a real artist but an amature. But seeing these prices from professionals like you and others, it has been more productive and more wise for me to do my own thing. At that price I can buy a wacom...
So that just means I am not a real artist but an amature. But seeing these prices from professionals like you and others, it has been more productive and more wise for me to do my own thing. At that price I can buy a wacom...
this is all irrelevant as to why you feel compelled to make comments about the price of something you are not interested in buying. my pricing is my pricing, I can charge what ever I want, It's not a crime. If people do or do not want to pay what I ask that is fine either way. but being a whiney douche over how I earn my keep just makes it obvious you do not understand the first thing about living off of a trade
I know, that is why I don't do it. I decided to waste my time in other things. I decided to go into business and not into art. I will try to make business my art. But I don't knowwwwww.... The time invested is not worth the potential profit. But damn 80$-100$?
I can do these for cheaper probably. But not pop, so not worth the time.
I can do these for cheaper probably. But not pop, so not worth the time.
I have been for a while, and when you are investing 4-5 hours in something you only got paid 20 for, then it is time to eiher work on speeding up , or raise prices. not going to go off on you, but most artists end up earning less than ten dollars an hour selling their work, it also takes a lot of practice to get things how they are wanted,and a lot of research as well. My nastiness over this to you is provoked by the fact that most buyers ,especially in the furry or "amateur' artists ring expect that prices should be that low, when in fact, most artists are desperate and undercharging. no need to take this any further, you have stated that your meaning was otherwise
Cars is different, for me its not really an art when the customer does not let you do what you want. Usually on here, the customer see's your work and expects something similar. It is usually a surprise really.
I love to do trades for the simple reason that I get to draw chars anyway I want. Depending on the other artist tastes, I can experiment different things. Draw blood, lighting, etc. And since I am no good. I can even ask the same artist I am trading with for advice. HE HE HE! It helps me out cus I am a cheap poor fuck. I honestly have 100 dollars on my name...
And sorry I never saw it that way. Yes I am a cheap poor fuck and because of that I could not understand why you charge so much. But now that I you told me that. I can understand why...
I am those type of guys that sees the new BMW and I would say. I can build something similar half that price and be just as good and good looking... There is a reason why BMW cost so much. That is just how much it cost to build something that good from scratch. The same reason why you charge for your art.
Sorry for being so ignorant.
I love to do trades for the simple reason that I get to draw chars anyway I want. Depending on the other artist tastes, I can experiment different things. Draw blood, lighting, etc. And since I am no good. I can even ask the same artist I am trading with for advice. HE HE HE! It helps me out cus I am a cheap poor fuck. I honestly have 100 dollars on my name...
And sorry I never saw it that way. Yes I am a cheap poor fuck and because of that I could not understand why you charge so much. But now that I you told me that. I can understand why...
I am those type of guys that sees the new BMW and I would say. I can build something similar half that price and be just as good and good looking... There is a reason why BMW cost so much. That is just how much it cost to build something that good from scratch. The same reason why you charge for your art.
Sorry for being so ignorant.
no need to apologize at this point.
though another thing to take into acount with artists, is while it might be possible to duplicate the art, it's also an artists style and such that people pay for as well.a lot of how the art comes out is shaped by the personality and skill of the creator, and most artists worth their name will show themselves a bit in everything they do.so while it may be possible to gt art done else where for a different price, it still will not be art done by the same artist.not an argument, just elaborating on a less focused on point, you don't go to someone like :balitigericon; expecting
and vice versa
though another thing to take into acount with artists, is while it might be possible to duplicate the art, it's also an artists style and such that people pay for as well.a lot of how the art comes out is shaped by the personality and skill of the creator, and most artists worth their name will show themselves a bit in everything they do.so while it may be possible to gt art done else where for a different price, it still will not be art done by the same artist.not an argument, just elaborating on a less focused on point, you don't go to someone like :balitigericon; expecting
and vice versa 
No, you would be an amateur because you can't draw well full stop. There are underlying fundamentals in painting and drawing that don't change from medium to medium; one can tell by looking at another persons work how they draw, how they work and how they think. Your work isn't going to be any better on your other accounts; merely different, perhaps more polished - it's still going to lack those necessary basics.
I can see from your other conversations why you reacted the way you did, so you can reply or not. It really doesn't matter.
I can see from your other conversations why you reacted the way you did, so you can reply or not. It really doesn't matter.
The thing about 'people' is that as a general rule of thumb you can't trust the public to be overly discerning in quality - a lot of people have the attitude of 'I couldn't do that, so it's good.' Every field and profession has people of varying levels of ability; the ability to tell what makes a piece of work good and how so is something that's generally limited to people with the practical knowledge. The Layman might be able to spot a piece that's not very good if they're the critical type, but not necessarily be able to tell why, they'll just know it's wrong. Most people aren't that critical, though, and so they don't think beyond if it looks good at a very cursory glance; which is where people with a minimal amount of ability come into being able to work. Ever seen a really, terribly bad tattoo? That's the most common example of people who shouldn't be working in their chosen field, but are still able to make a living off it.
If you suck and no one wants your services. Then you cant make a living from it.
Not even remotely true.
So what I was saying is exactly what I said: Just because you are able to work in a chosen field does not mean that you should take it as any indication of your skill; dregs occasionally float to the top of the barrel, and people occasionally find their way into work despite not being all that good at all.
If you suck and no one wants your services. Then you cant make a living from it.
Not even remotely true.
So what I was saying is exactly what I said: Just because you are able to work in a chosen field does not mean that you should take it as any indication of your skill; dregs occasionally float to the top of the barrel, and people occasionally find their way into work despite not being all that good at all.
Of course there is going to be better people than yah. You cant always be the best in everything and anything. When I was 12 I wanted to build the best baddest car in the world. But common, tech keeps on changing and styles and flavors. The art you do today is also not going to be exactly as the next one. Picasso has had many styles over the years for example. His famous style is probably cubism. Was it cool back then as it is now?
Just because the person makes a living now and he or she sucks. Doesn't mean he or she will never get better at her trade. And what is he or she never gets better? Just like rude the fox said. People will pay for what they like. You set the price... If people like it, they will pay for it..
Just because the person makes a living now and he or she sucks. Doesn't mean he or she will never get better at her trade. And what is he or she never gets better? Just like rude the fox said. People will pay for what they like. You set the price... If people like it, they will pay for it..
I don't know why you're telling me all this - you raised the fact that you work for a living painting cars as though that validates your skill level without actually presenting any work to back it up, I pointed out your logic was faulty. That's all there is too it; there's nothing else you can say to make your argument work because it was plainly wrong and what you're doing now is talking around the subject and going nowhere.
Learn when to just stop - here, I'll show you how. See the 'add reply' button? Don't click it again.
Learn when to just stop - here, I'll show you how. See the 'add reply' button? Don't click it again.
You need proof?
I have no money to paint at the moment. But here is my proof on the cars.
http://community.ratsun.net/topic/4014-my-project/
That is just one project. I had many others...
I have no money to paint at the moment. But here is my proof on the cars.
http://community.ratsun.net/topic/4014-my-project/
That is just one project. I had many others...
http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs20/i/2....._motavated.jpg
The blue one I did it all. And I crashed it. Then i got the gray one just he body. Made it run again.
http://motavated.deviantart.com/art.....2670&qo=40
The truck looked like this
http://motavated.deviantart.com/art.....atsun&qo=1
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/.....d/scan0004.jpg
now it looks like this.
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/.....d/IMG_8421.jpg
I also have a 1995 truck that was hit from the front salvaged. I pulled the frame and fixed it.
I also had a 1966 impala tha I fixed and sold and other cars... But I only have pics of these..
The blue one I did it all. And I crashed it. Then i got the gray one just he body. Made it run again.
http://motavated.deviantart.com/art.....2670&qo=40
The truck looked like this
http://motavated.deviantart.com/art.....atsun&qo=1
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/.....d/scan0004.jpg
now it looks like this.
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/.....d/IMG_8421.jpg
I also have a 1995 truck that was hit from the front salvaged. I pulled the frame and fixed it.
I also had a 1966 impala tha I fixed and sold and other cars... But I only have pics of these..
The blue mustang was painted by me then I crashed it. The mustang is in primer and was blocked sanded for paint and was ready. But ran out of funds. The Impala I sold was painted. The truck is going to be ratty. I am going for this look. http://www.myrideisme.com/Blog/wp-c.....w-5-series.jpg
I got no money... Plus ratty is in right now... So why paint?
I got no money... Plus ratty is in right now... So why paint?
Have you heard of the word skilled worker? In order to run a business you need skilled workers to do what needs to be done. If the person is not skilled at what he or she is supposed to do. That person will get fired.
The person wont make a living from that, but he or she can try until she gives up since he or she "cant" make a living from it.
The person wont make a living from that, but he or she can try until she gives up since he or she "cant" make a living from it.
We all seek perfection. In the business model we have a curve. We always want to achieve the best possible outcome. We set goals and we try to reach them. Once we do, we make new goals...
We are in a art forum where most of he people believe they are part animals or something.
So what? We should never try at being better than before?
We are in a art forum where most of he people believe they are part animals or something.
So what? We should never try at being better than before?
I wasn't going to reply, but you seem to have an ability to make all-encompassing statements that have no truth to them whatsoever, and that annoys me. As does the completely irrelevant mentioning of furries like that; I don't even know (nor acre, really) where you were going with that.
We should all seek perfection; not everyone does. And, like I explained in another post, you're talking around your original argument.
I wasn't implying that people don't improve - people do settle, though. They reach a point where they are comfortable, and they stagnate because they do not want to move beyond their comfort zone. Often, a person who wants nothing more than to work in an industry is able to do it despite their lack of ability, and they settle down. Not necessarily a bad thing, excepting personal progression, but it is unfortunate.
See, the issue with your initial argument is it's corollary: by what you said, everyone who works in any given field must therefore be very skilled to do so. Problem is, that's comparing them to the public, and not their peers. See?
Now, I think I'll just delete any more of your replies, because you just smack of the sort of person who can't help but reply. I'd know, as I'm one of them.
We should all seek perfection; not everyone does. And, like I explained in another post, you're talking around your original argument.
I wasn't implying that people don't improve - people do settle, though. They reach a point where they are comfortable, and they stagnate because they do not want to move beyond their comfort zone. Often, a person who wants nothing more than to work in an industry is able to do it despite their lack of ability, and they settle down. Not necessarily a bad thing, excepting personal progression, but it is unfortunate.
See, the issue with your initial argument is it's corollary: by what you said, everyone who works in any given field must therefore be very skilled to do so. Problem is, that's comparing them to the public, and not their peers. See?
Now, I think I'll just delete any more of your replies, because you just smack of the sort of person who can't help but reply. I'd know, as I'm one of them.
I guess you could of said it differently. Like... Just because you draw, doesn't mean your good artist...
Like I said. I don't sell my shitty art nor do I care if its good or not yet. If someone where to hire me to do art. I wont be happy until the commissioner is satisfied... That is how I roll...
Like I said. I don't sell my shitty art nor do I care if its good or not yet. If someone where to hire me to do art. I wont be happy until the commissioner is satisfied... That is how I roll...
It would be pretty arrogant of me to dumb down everything I say - it wouldn't say much for what i think of other people, would it? It'd be tantamount to saying 'I know you're not going to understand this, little peon, so let me use the little words for you.'
Essentially, if you can't realise that's exactly what I said, it's your problem and not mine.
I'm not sure why you had so much trouble grasping the idea of costing to account for time spent considering you work in the graphics industry; does your place of work charge at a set rate or by actual time and materials?
Essentially, if you can't realise that's exactly what I said, it's your problem and not mine.
I'm not sure why you had so much trouble grasping the idea of costing to account for time spent considering you work in the graphics industry; does your place of work charge at a set rate or by actual time and materials?
I don't work no more, I quit. I never said I worked in the graphics industry. At least I don't think I did. I used to work for the City/state. A nice gov job that I made nice money and I could of had a nice retirement plan and health care. I quit to follow my dreams.
And you still don't make sense to me. Maybe you should dumb it down for dumb ol me or we should just stop talking.
And you still don't make sense to me. Maybe you should dumb it down for dumb ol me or we should just stop talking.
My bad, apparently not by much, and it's the munny's roundness creating that effect; The Budz is actually a slightly heavier doll. oO
Still impressed, zo.
Still impressed, zo.
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