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The other day my stepsister was over to do my hair, and at one point she said "I can't blame you for going for women, men are nothing but trouble!"
I kind of hate that mindset. For one thing, any negative traits you have with one person are just as likely to happen with someone of the opposite sex. It's foolish to think that infidelity, bad temper, jealousy, or anything personality based is exclusive to one or the other. I say if you decide to date the same sex thinking you're going to escape those issues, you have a good chance of being in for a rude awakening. It's possible that you're subconsciously attracted to a certain personality type and you're just going to end up with someone with the same issues and different plumbing.
Oh, and apparently people think I hate men because of my feminist leanings. Oh dear.
I kind of hate that mindset. For one thing, any negative traits you have with one person are just as likely to happen with someone of the opposite sex. It's foolish to think that infidelity, bad temper, jealousy, or anything personality based is exclusive to one or the other. I say if you decide to date the same sex thinking you're going to escape those issues, you have a good chance of being in for a rude awakening. It's possible that you're subconsciously attracted to a certain personality type and you're just going to end up with someone with the same issues and different plumbing.
Oh, and apparently people think I hate men because of my feminist leanings. Oh dear.
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Agreed, why is it always when you like one thing, you are suddenly suppose to hate the opposite, and vice versa. If I love sour doesnt mean I hate sweet, and if I hate sweet doesnt mean I love sour, I have my own list of likes, dislikes, and indifferences, don't judge me.
There is nothing wrong with being a feminist, just so long as one doesn't mutate into a feminazi.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminazi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminazi
Technically, Philanthropist means "lover of humanity". That's the literal meaning though, and there really hasn't been a word to replace it since it's turned into meaning RICH DOGGS WHO GIVE OUT MONEY
I'm a philanthropist who is rich in loving other people, poor in having the money to give them. But I do share what I can.
I'm a philanthropist who is rich in loving other people, poor in having the money to give them. But I do share what I can.
Um. "Feminazi" is not a reasonable term to use in a discussion, unless you have no grasp of history, no grasp of feminism, and no sympathy at all for feminist goals.
Some women who are feminists are not pleasant people, yes.
Some women who claim to be feminists are in fact misandrists and/or female supremacists, yes. (Feminism itself near-universally rejects these views, much as pro-choice advocacy explicitly rejects coerced abortion.)
Some women are radical feminists, and make pronouncements that are controversial and not widely accepted within mainstream feminism (e.g. "all sex is rape").
By calling these women "feminazis," you make quite clear that all you care enough about not to like is the feminism---and that, in fact, you do believe there is something wrong with being a feminist.
(For those who still don't get the point: it's like if I said, "There is nothing wrong with being a furry, just so long as one doesn't mutate into a plushophilic murry-purry fursuit-yiffer." See how the second part of the sentence kind of contradicts the first?)
Some women who are feminists are not pleasant people, yes.
Some women who claim to be feminists are in fact misandrists and/or female supremacists, yes. (Feminism itself near-universally rejects these views, much as pro-choice advocacy explicitly rejects coerced abortion.)
Some women are radical feminists, and make pronouncements that are controversial and not widely accepted within mainstream feminism (e.g. "all sex is rape").
By calling these women "feminazis," you make quite clear that all you care enough about not to like is the feminism---and that, in fact, you do believe there is something wrong with being a feminist.
(For those who still don't get the point: it's like if I said, "There is nothing wrong with being a furry, just so long as one doesn't mutate into a plushophilic murry-purry fursuit-yiffer." See how the second part of the sentence kind of contradicts the first?)
GETTING PAST THOUGHTS OF BOOBIES FOR A SECOND...
I agree. This drives me nuts. It's the same thing when I hear a guy complain that he doesn't "get" women. It's not like men and women are different species. If people just treated each other like PEOPLE, and weren't so busy trying to figure out the secrets of some imaginary opposite gender language to manipulate each other into getting what they want, I think things would magically click into place for them.
...now that that's out of the way...BOOOOOOOOOOOBIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES
I agree. This drives me nuts. It's the same thing when I hear a guy complain that he doesn't "get" women. It's not like men and women are different species. If people just treated each other like PEOPLE, and weren't so busy trying to figure out the secrets of some imaginary opposite gender language to manipulate each other into getting what they want, I think things would magically click into place for them.
...now that that's out of the way...BOOOOOOOOOOOBIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES
I like the way this comic put it too:
http://www.asofterworld.com/index.php?id=683
People is people is people!
http://www.asofterworld.com/index.php?id=683
People is people is people!
My personal distaste is in the average person... I hate most of them... and it's not their fault... they are too often born into it as the stupids seem to breed on a larger scale than a functioning human being. >o> Though I agree with you, who you are attracted to has nothing to do with the personality of the person you are prone to go for everyone can equally be a dick equally.
Actually, to be serious for a second, you're definitely right. I get angry jealous complaints from my straight guy friends about how I have it so easy because I just live with another dude in a house full of video games and robot stuff, whereas they have to deal with their wives' emotional issues and gender differences. I guess it's still gonna be a while before they realize that we have our own stuff to deal with.
Sure, living with a dude is easy, when you have no emotional attachment to them. Same for women, it's not even necessarily the person in question that is an issue so much as your closeness and attachment to them. Cement is the perfect texture for walking on, but no one is happy when their face meets the sidewalk.
Also, every time you say wub I see men passing around this gelatinous pink mass with hearts in it, dunno why XD
Also, every time you say wub I see men passing around this gelatinous pink mass with hearts in it, dunno why XD
Dude, this whole line of reasoning is stupid. Girls that stay with dudes who are awful to them usually learned to do so because they had other awful male figures in their lives early on. You know, like their dad, or supposed 'friends.' Or it could've even been an early dating experience. As it turns out, that can mess you up. I've seen the same thing happen to guys who had bad female figures in similar positions. Anyone can be affected by that kind of thing.
So essentially you're blaming the victim, here. But then, that would take you coming out of the selfishness position long enough to actually care about the woman in question, wouldn't it. =|
So essentially you're blaming the victim, here. But then, that would take you coming out of the selfishness position long enough to actually care about the woman in question, wouldn't it. =|
well, the real point isn't that they're staying with jerks, it's that they chose another KIND of jerk over the self-professed "nice guys".
Someone that does stuff for you to be nice, so that you essentially owe them something, isn't really all that nice at all.
People can pick up on someone who's a wolf in sheep's clothing, and that's what those "nice guys" generally are. :P
No one would REALLY dump someone for being a pleasure to be with.
Someone that does stuff for you to be nice, so that you essentially owe them something, isn't really all that nice at all.
People can pick up on someone who's a wolf in sheep's clothing, and that's what those "nice guys" generally are. :P
No one would REALLY dump someone for being a pleasure to be with.
well, I kind of meant the women in question x3
And if they felt like they weren't good enough, then I guess they weren't really finding it a pleasure, were they?
Though you can't know their true motives anyway.
Self-esteem plays a part for sure, but I think by that point it's no longer about jerks. It's more about compatibility.
You don't have to be an asshole to not feel good about yourself.
And if they felt like they weren't good enough, then I guess they weren't really finding it a pleasure, were they?
Though you can't know their true motives anyway.
Self-esteem plays a part for sure, but I think by that point it's no longer about jerks. It's more about compatibility.
You don't have to be an asshole to not feel good about yourself.
Hahaha wow, still?
Okay, let's say I assume you're actually as great as you say.
How well was this relationship with this non-functioning person supposed to go? You're obviously too thick to help them with their problems. Sooooo you just wanted to use them for different reasons.
Hm.
Looks like you're in that group of guys they shouldn't be with either!
Okay, let's say I assume you're actually as great as you say.
How well was this relationship with this non-functioning person supposed to go? You're obviously too thick to help them with their problems. Sooooo you just wanted to use them for different reasons.
Hm.
Looks like you're in that group of guys they shouldn't be with either!
Yeah, dude. They're messed up, so why are you trying to get with them, rather than oh I don't know, get them someplace where they can become an actual functioning person first? That's called being a friend. If you cared about them so much, you'd do that instead of getting with them, then bitching that "all girls are brainwashed" when they leave your ass.
You kind of proved everyone's point, there. You're not a nice guy; you're someone who conspicuously avoids confrontation to make people think you're a nice guy. And then you try to spin this as you being the victim, claiming you only avoid confrontation because the alternative is too hard.
Seems to me your nice-guy act relies less on actual niceness and more on advertising how much of a wimp you are and then trying to imply that everyone who's not is a jerk.
Seems to me your nice-guy act relies less on actual niceness and more on advertising how much of a wimp you are and then trying to imply that everyone who's not is a jerk.
The difference between a real nice guy and a self-proclaimed, not-so-nice guy, is that the real nice guy actually does stuff because he's nice. You'll see a real nice guy take interest in other people because he cares.
He'll hold doors open for other guys, old women, and the woman he's attracted to.
A false nice guy, on the other hand, will take interest in people he wants to date.
He'll hold the door open too, but probably only when he realizes he wants to date you. Once you rejects him, he'll attempt to hold it all against you as if you owe him for being nice!
It's slimy, and not really nice when you realize what's happening. No one should get blamed for making someone go out of their way to be a nice person. People should just be like that anyway.
A truly nice guy would never blame someone for dumping them BECAUSE they were nice. x3 It's just silly.
I didn't explain everything, and I'm sure every situation differs to some extent, but this is what bug me the very most about fake nice guys.
He'll hold doors open for other guys, old women, and the woman he's attracted to.
A false nice guy, on the other hand, will take interest in people he wants to date.
He'll hold the door open too, but probably only when he realizes he wants to date you. Once you rejects him, he'll attempt to hold it all against you as if you owe him for being nice!
It's slimy, and not really nice when you realize what's happening. No one should get blamed for making someone go out of their way to be a nice person. People should just be like that anyway.
A truly nice guy would never blame someone for dumping them BECAUSE they were nice. x3 It's just silly.
I didn't explain everything, and I'm sure every situation differs to some extent, but this is what bug me the very most about fake nice guys.
yeah, pretty much. Though it's a snake that geniunely think it's a nice guy so it's even worse. xD
I actually had the whole nice guy thing pulled on me once.
I didn't not date the guy because he was "too nice", I didn't date him because he didn't really even like me for who I was, and was obviously being nice just to date me. x3 He wasn't nice to anyone else, and only started being nice when I actually put my pic in my icon.
I ended up dated a guy he knew who was actually friendly and nice and funny, and the "nice guy" totally laid a guilt trip on me.
It was so unattractive. :P
Sorry for such a long reply. x3 Couldn't resist throwing in an anecdote~
I actually had the whole nice guy thing pulled on me once.
I didn't not date the guy because he was "too nice", I didn't date him because he didn't really even like me for who I was, and was obviously being nice just to date me. x3 He wasn't nice to anyone else, and only started being nice when I actually put my pic in my icon.
I ended up dated a guy he knew who was actually friendly and nice and funny, and the "nice guy" totally laid a guilt trip on me.
It was so unattractive. :P
Sorry for such a long reply. x3 Couldn't resist throwing in an anecdote~
Yeah that's about what it boils down to.
If they really WERE being looked-over because they're too nice, then that would be horrible.
If you're still interested in reading a bit more on it, I posted a journal on this quite a while ago-
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2170818/
There weren't many replies, but the ones it got were really good. There's also a great article in the comments too. :>
I'm super interested in learning about this stuff, because maybe an informed comment in the right place can change a lot of minds. It would be so healthy for those people in question to realize they're a bit deluded, and move past it. :>
You don't often hear anyone saying "I was too interesting for her". xD
If they really WERE being looked-over because they're too nice, then that would be horrible.
If you're still interested in reading a bit more on it, I posted a journal on this quite a while ago-
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2170818/
There weren't many replies, but the ones it got were really good. There's also a great article in the comments too. :>
I'm super interested in learning about this stuff, because maybe an informed comment in the right place can change a lot of minds. It would be so healthy for those people in question to realize they're a bit deluded, and move past it. :>
You don't often hear anyone saying "I was too interesting for her". xD
It's absolutely true that people can be incompatible, yet not be in the wrong. My last ex was a completely good person, but we just didn't get along at ALL.
These Nice Guys are actively doing something that's unfair though, and I like to spread some sense, and I like it when other people do too! c:
It's nice to see someone like Pie here make a comic supporting the acceptance of all people.
It would be good for the Nice Guys in question to be more aware of all this anyway, because if they knew, maybe they could better themselves and solve a lot of their issues.
I feel like I'm kind of rambling here though, and I think, about this kind of thing, I might be slightly too srs-business when it comes to the internet. x3
Is it so wrong that I want to see people love each other?~ ;w;
These Nice Guys are actively doing something that's unfair though, and I like to spread some sense, and I like it when other people do too! c:
It's nice to see someone like Pie here make a comic supporting the acceptance of all people.
It would be good for the Nice Guys in question to be more aware of all this anyway, because if they knew, maybe they could better themselves and solve a lot of their issues.
I feel like I'm kind of rambling here though, and I think, about this kind of thing, I might be slightly too srs-business when it comes to the internet. x3
Is it so wrong that I want to see people love each other?~ ;w;
Nothing wrong with wanting a little more love in the world.
Of course I just don't see a whole lot of it these days, so don't be surprised if you don't meet with many like minded people.
Sad state of affairs, but most people would rather put a knife in your back then give you so much as a how-do-you-do. Call that rambling, ranting or raving if you like.
Or a fair warning. There's a lot of wolves in sheep's clothing out there and you need to stay on your toes.
Of course I just don't see a whole lot of it these days, so don't be surprised if you don't meet with many like minded people.
Sad state of affairs, but most people would rather put a knife in your back then give you so much as a how-do-you-do. Call that rambling, ranting or raving if you like.
Or a fair warning. There's a lot of wolves in sheep's clothing out there and you need to stay on your toes.
http://www.feministcritics.org/blog.....4/09/nice-guy/
I am not one of the "Nice Guys", though maybe a bit of one. Someone who is insecure most likely will try to find worth in doing something they are sure to be good at, or try to find pride in something, but they don't know where. I am not a defender of jerks, but I hate that article of Nice Guys that was posted. Especially the part, 'Insecurity is sexy. It's a turn-off.' Of course it's pretty obvious, so guess what happens then?
I am not one of the "Nice Guys", though maybe a bit of one. Someone who is insecure most likely will try to find worth in doing something they are sure to be good at, or try to find pride in something, but they don't know where. I am not a defender of jerks, but I hate that article of Nice Guys that was posted. Especially the part, 'Insecurity is sexy. It's a turn-off.' Of course it's pretty obvious, so guess what happens then?
Yeah, I could see it was. :P
This is what I get when thinking commenting on random post will still be up to date. Overall, the situation got embarrassing.
Though what I would like to comment on is the idea about 'Nice Guys' and the whole rhetoric that they have to be nice only for the sake of being nice, not b/c you know they are human and what to gets something out of it. What also grinded me personally was it sounded insensitive to most Nice Guys who have no idea about dating and just generally have been wronged causing them to come to a very cynical conclusion. But again, it is a personal view, from a person who tends to be very sympathetic about anything.
As well as being very out-of-date when it comes to commenting.
This is what I get when thinking commenting on random post will still be up to date. Overall, the situation got embarrassing.
Though what I would like to comment on is the idea about 'Nice Guys' and the whole rhetoric that they have to be nice only for the sake of being nice, not b/c you know they are human and what to gets something out of it. What also grinded me personally was it sounded insensitive to most Nice Guys who have no idea about dating and just generally have been wronged causing them to come to a very cynical conclusion. But again, it is a personal view, from a person who tends to be very sympathetic about anything.
As well as being very out-of-date when it comes to commenting.
hahah don't worry about it! Happens to all of us.
I'm not sure what to say about nice guys here.
I think that feeling like someone owes you something for being nice is pretty bad. Of course in a relationship people will make sacrifices to try to get closer and be happier together, but a lot of times with nice guys, the person they have a relationship with has no idea about it. The person hasn't consented to sacrifices. So then the nice guy just goes ahead and makes a sacrifice assuming the girl knows what's up, and that's just not fair.
If you're gonna do something nice just so you get something in return, you should either make that clear or just not do that nice thing, tbh.
I feel bad for people that work really hard at something and it doesn't work out. I've done nice things for guys to get their attention too, but that doesn't mean i feel like they ripped me off when i got turned down, y'know?
A bunch of women just got shot because some asshole thought they owed him a relationship.
That's taking it a lot further than you but it's just a really extreme version of the same thing.
I'm not sure what to say about nice guys here.
I think that feeling like someone owes you something for being nice is pretty bad. Of course in a relationship people will make sacrifices to try to get closer and be happier together, but a lot of times with nice guys, the person they have a relationship with has no idea about it. The person hasn't consented to sacrifices. So then the nice guy just goes ahead and makes a sacrifice assuming the girl knows what's up, and that's just not fair.
If you're gonna do something nice just so you get something in return, you should either make that clear or just not do that nice thing, tbh.
I feel bad for people that work really hard at something and it doesn't work out. I've done nice things for guys to get their attention too, but that doesn't mean i feel like they ripped me off when i got turned down, y'know?
A bunch of women just got shot because some asshole thought they owed him a relationship.
That's taking it a lot further than you but it's just a really extreme version of the same thing.
Really, it does?
; Well, so far what I got, Nice Guys are those men who feel that they have to initiate the relationship but don't know how to act in such a way that won't seem condenscensing or chivralous or even desperate. They know they have to be a man, since it is a lot more likely in general what women will look for, despite how ideally we wish it to be. Through not wanting to be jerks in the end, mixed with social awkwardness and general lack of skillset, they are left with most possible solution, and that is act as friendly as possible until their attention is seen as worthy. Many of them apparently feel this is the route to go for in romantic relationship, without realizing how limiting such stance is. What is even worse is that these people probably realize the hopelessness of their situation, to the point of choosing life of celibacy or more extreme, cynical outview of woman being insensitive. I mean, we are talking about people who feel their worth as a man is measured in if they could find a mate, and thus put to s of pressure on themselves to live up to it. Overall, I just feel bad for anyone who wishes for something, but chose to give up in the end.
(I realize pretty strongly, how much of topic my rant is in relation to the picture above :p)
PS, I hope you may find the link I put in first reply to be interesting, since it was written by an active feminist himself.
; Well, so far what I got, Nice Guys are those men who feel that they have to initiate the relationship but don't know how to act in such a way that won't seem condenscensing or chivralous or even desperate. They know they have to be a man, since it is a lot more likely in general what women will look for, despite how ideally we wish it to be. Through not wanting to be jerks in the end, mixed with social awkwardness and general lack of skillset, they are left with most possible solution, and that is act as friendly as possible until their attention is seen as worthy. Many of them apparently feel this is the route to go for in romantic relationship, without realizing how limiting such stance is. What is even worse is that these people probably realize the hopelessness of their situation, to the point of choosing life of celibacy or more extreme, cynical outview of woman being insensitive. I mean, we are talking about people who feel their worth as a man is measured in if they could find a mate, and thus put to s of pressure on themselves to live up to it. Overall, I just feel bad for anyone who wishes for something, but chose to give up in the end.
(I realize pretty strongly, how much of topic my rant is in relation to the picture above :p)
PS, I hope you may find the link I put in first reply to be interesting, since it was written by an active feminist himself.
I think that a lot of times those nice guys put very little effort into making themselves appealing, and they just want the best of the best. How many times have you seen a guy like that looking for women in "their league"? Often they crush on someone who has put tons of effort into themselves and then feel like they don't have to do the same. They're lonely and do a lot of nice stuff so they deserve affection back.
Well, I don't like that they're lonely either. Social interaction is such an important human need.
I don't know. I'm not sure what to say here. I think we probably agree on some stuff and maybe disagree on other stuff, but I doubt much will come out of discussing it. Sorry if that's too blunt.
I used to go around speaking my opinion and getting deep into stuff years ago but these days i just don't have the energy, really.
I'm not sure about reading the article. I'm working on commissions and I don't really know if there's much i could learn from it. I'm afraid it might be a little more stressful to go through than I can really deal with right now.
Well, I don't like that they're lonely either. Social interaction is such an important human need.
I don't know. I'm not sure what to say here. I think we probably agree on some stuff and maybe disagree on other stuff, but I doubt much will come out of discussing it. Sorry if that's too blunt.
I used to go around speaking my opinion and getting deep into stuff years ago but these days i just don't have the energy, really.
I'm not sure about reading the article. I'm working on commissions and I don't really know if there's much i could learn from it. I'm afraid it might be a little more stressful to go through than I can really deal with right now.
I see, well, I understand if you don't have time. I am glad you have taken time to answer my comments, which I didn't think would have happened. I would really love to create a discussion in order to figure out some paradoxes and problems associated with our society, but I guess 'till another time. And the article is really insightful in my opinion, really, they go by the rule of not attacking a person via ad hominem or any other for the sake of creating intellectual discussion, and the moderators do their job pretty well.
Nevertheless, thank you again.
Nevertheless, thank you again.
Truthfully I never refer to myself as a "Nice guy" Technicolor said that and I simply took it as an insult and wanted her to explain herself.
I am a nice person, I help my friends and I try to keep them on track. Every girlfriend I've had has told me that they didn't deserve me. It was after around the fifth or sixth one that I started to hate all of the anti-man bullshit.
I'm bitter because I'm lonely and the only girl willing to give me the time of day is on the internet and in some other state/country.
So here's what I do: I create a new persona after I became a furry. Strong, brave, yada yada, all the things I really wish I was in real life.
Maybe it's just the fact that I need to get out and meet a nice girl but here's the thing: I live in a place where all the girls are either druggy sluts or are so beaten down that no matter what you say to them they will never believe that they're worth anyone's time.
They did deserve me, it's just that they were taught to believe they didn't.
I am a nice person, I help my friends and I try to keep them on track. Every girlfriend I've had has told me that they didn't deserve me. It was after around the fifth or sixth one that I started to hate all of the anti-man bullshit.
I'm bitter because I'm lonely and the only girl willing to give me the time of day is on the internet and in some other state/country.
So here's what I do: I create a new persona after I became a furry. Strong, brave, yada yada, all the things I really wish I was in real life.
Maybe it's just the fact that I need to get out and meet a nice girl but here's the thing: I live in a place where all the girls are either druggy sluts or are so beaten down that no matter what you say to them they will never believe that they're worth anyone's time.
They did deserve me, it's just that they were taught to believe they didn't.
Well, since you made that point above, and then proceeded to ask why it was ridiculous, I figured it was safe to assume you actually felt that way yourself. :P I don't understand why you brought it up if you don't personally feel that way.
I'm in Canada, and my boyfriend is in Holland, btw. It's a 4000-miles-long distance relationship, and I've personally never been happier. His personality fits mine perfectly, and I've never dated someone so long and so happily in my life.
From what you've said, "the only girl willing to give you the time of day" probably deserves better, honestly. x3 Maybe not better, but at least someone different.
That probably seems harsh, but you don't really sound like you appreciate her very much, or get much out of her.
I'm sure there ARE girls around locally. Maybe you just need to change something about who you're looking for and/or HOW you look for them. It sounds like you actually seem to attract the wrong crowd.
Not everyone in an area will be exactly the same.
I'm in Canada, and my boyfriend is in Holland, btw. It's a 4000-miles-long distance relationship, and I've personally never been happier. His personality fits mine perfectly, and I've never dated someone so long and so happily in my life.
From what you've said, "the only girl willing to give you the time of day" probably deserves better, honestly. x3 Maybe not better, but at least someone different.
That probably seems harsh, but you don't really sound like you appreciate her very much, or get much out of her.
I'm sure there ARE girls around locally. Maybe you just need to change something about who you're looking for and/or HOW you look for them. It sounds like you actually seem to attract the wrong crowd.
Not everyone in an area will be exactly the same.
Bitter much?
But yea been there done that, spent most of High School watching female friends self destruct with abusive guys and went to prom single my self.
I got over the bitterness when the 10 year HS reunion rolled around and I saw with adult eyes how damaged they were.
Now I'm glad I didn't tie myself to their sinking ship, not that I didn't/don't wish better for them but I would have gone down too.
I don't presume to know what would have been the best case scenario for them but in retrospect I can tell it wasn't a serious relationship with me.
But yea been there done that, spent most of High School watching female friends self destruct with abusive guys and went to prom single my self.
I got over the bitterness when the 10 year HS reunion rolled around and I saw with adult eyes how damaged they were.
Now I'm glad I didn't tie myself to their sinking ship, not that I didn't/don't wish better for them but I would have gone down too.
I don't presume to know what would have been the best case scenario for them but in retrospect I can tell it wasn't a serious relationship with me.
People think I'm a feminist because I sometimes rage about how some of my co-workers think about women, but the reality of the matter is much simpler: I like strong women. Discriminated or suppressed women aren't sexy. Butt kicking women are! :P Sometimes, the obvious and easy explanation is the correct one. That being said, I have real amounts of respect for both parties. ;)
Well, yeah, but on the other hand I also think a lot of feminists are overdoing it a little. We have a political feminist party here that seriously has "women should rule in politics because they're smarter than men" on their banners, which I think is equally stupid. Every human is capable of the same level if stupid our smart. :P
I know. XD But it really had to be said. The lack of logic following such stupidity really gets to me sometimes. Much the same way that women who say shit like "I now see why you prefer women, men are a pain!" makes no sense, because, well...think about it. If a woman REALLY felt that way, she'd have no problem switching to the other side. She doesn't switch because she's not interested in having sex with other women. Hence her logic would be lacking. :D
The outer labia are cute! I love those two puffy little lumps pressed together like fat guys on a crowded subway car. It's when you work past them that things start to get freaky. Every time I research the subject I find a new hole in the female reproductive system... what the hell is a Skene's Gland, anyway?!
This is why I just don't understand guys who say "Well, I'm gay because all the women I've ever been in a relationship with turned out to be total bitches." I'm bisexual because a) I like the idea of sex with males, and b) I like the idea of sex with females. Period. I am currently in a homosexual relationship, in which neither partner is homosexual (my boyfriend and I share a love for boobies). In fact, I've never had a relationship with a girl, but that does not stop me from being attracted to them and snuggling with them and [REDACTED] with [REDACTED] and [REDACTED].
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I'm happy whenever I see a lesbian that doesn't hate men, or they state the reason they're a lesbian is because of sexual attraction, not that they've been 'wronged' by my sex and that's the reason for the switch.
I have my reasons, and none of them are believable on the internet. But I will say I hope this mentality is more common now then it was in the 80s and 90s.
I'm happy whenever I see a lesbian that doesn't hate men, or they state the reason they're a lesbian is because of sexual attraction, not that they've been 'wronged' by my sex and that's the reason for the switch.
I have my reasons, and none of them are believable on the internet. But I will say I hope this mentality is more common now then it was in the 80s and 90s.
I got distracted from the comic because I was trying t figure out what animal your sister sona stand in thingy was... I'm gonna guess chinchilla?
also I was distracted from the description you gave on the meaning of the comic because I noticed the OO in boobies have dots in em for nipples. *gigglesnort*
*wanders off.*
also I was distracted from the description you gave on the meaning of the comic because I noticed the OO in boobies have dots in em for nipples. *gigglesnort*
*wanders off.*
I do hate the fact that most people seem to think that feminism= man-hating bull dyke. I apologize for the usage of the word, but really it's the crazies that seem to ruin it for everyone else. Like skinheads, people equate skinheads with neo-nazis, despite the fact that the whole skinhead movement originated in Britain for the working class citizens.
It's less about "the crazies ruining it for everyone else," and more like "people who don't like feminism reminding you every chance they can about the very small number of crazies---i.e. people the vast majority of feminists disagree with or dislike altogether---thus giving everyone the impression that feminism is what the crazies are about, robbing the movement of popular appeal, and ruining its power to address the substantial inequalities suffered by women."
If you want to see what I mean, compare the number of feminists who have burned bras, with the number of times the phrase/image of "bra-burning feminists" is referenced in popular culture.
If you want to see what I mean, compare the number of feminists who have burned bras, with the number of times the phrase/image of "bra-burning feminists" is referenced in popular culture.
Feminism has nothing to do with hate, only equality. That radical, almost militant stuff calls itself feminism but is basically the female version of what men have done to women in recorded history. Why hate when you can love, yeah?
And oh yeah, definitely agreed. I actually have met both men and women who identify as homosexual because they think it will somehow be easier to find love and sex. From experience this is not true. I agree. No matter how the pipes are set up in the crotch we're all human. XD
And oh yeah, definitely agreed. I actually have met both men and women who identify as homosexual because they think it will somehow be easier to find love and sex. From experience this is not true. I agree. No matter how the pipes are set up in the crotch we're all human. XD
Yeah, I kinda hate women because all the ones I've gotten to know were all bitches, though most of mankind are assholy. Though women really stand out, since they're either mind-manipulating bitches or psychotic. Especially the hot ones, and the fat ones, and the quiet ones, and the ugly ones, and dykes.
I guess I don't hate men because I don't want to fuck them LOL
I guess I don't hate men because I don't want to fuck them LOL
I dunno, any girl I ever fell in love with screwed me over, and then watching my father and little brother put up with their psychotic balls n' chains, having their loyalty rewarded with screaming, abuse, and trying as hard as possible to shut out all of their friends and family really put a glib view of women in my mind. Largely because what I saw in them I started seeing more in other women, I really believe everyone's just an asshole and they only get married for a fear of dying alone.
I really believe that empathy will redeem mankind, I also really believe that there's no one out there who isn't completely selfish.
Having your father lose his foot due to negligence and spite, and your little brother who was having such a bright future fall into such despair really is what's making me into a misogynist. Though maybe misanthrope is more accurate.
Of course off the interwebs I'm really asocial and shy, and of course, anything you read on the internet is pure garbage and if you take it seriously or care in the slightest, you need to get a life.
Phhhh I'm kinda thinking of secluding myself again.
I'm really surprised people took my comment so seriously though LOL ah little dirt monkeys typing away on their cell phones and laptops, ignoring the hell we're making for ourselves...
I really believe that empathy will redeem mankind, I also really believe that there's no one out there who isn't completely selfish.
Having your father lose his foot due to negligence and spite, and your little brother who was having such a bright future fall into such despair really is what's making me into a misogynist. Though maybe misanthrope is more accurate.
Of course off the interwebs I'm really asocial and shy, and of course, anything you read on the internet is pure garbage and if you take it seriously or care in the slightest, you need to get a life.
Phhhh I'm kinda thinking of secluding myself again.
I'm really surprised people took my comment so seriously though LOL ah little dirt monkeys typing away on their cell phones and laptops, ignoring the hell we're making for ourselves...
Uh, does any of that excuse being a misogynist? No, no it doesn't. Anymore than my life being ruined by men.
And another thing. This cynicism bullcrap is making you stupid. Being too idealistic makes you dumb, but this "world is a shitsack" outlook is just you trying to justify never having to try or get your hopes up again.
So you and your relatives got stomped on. It happens. But it doesn't happen every time, like some kind of Donnie Darko fanfic. I got stomped on more than most, but I have a great life because I finally stopped blaming all my problems on the world and did something about it. They took advantage of your vulnerability- learn from it.
And another thing. This cynicism bullcrap is making you stupid. Being too idealistic makes you dumb, but this "world is a shitsack" outlook is just you trying to justify never having to try or get your hopes up again.
So you and your relatives got stomped on. It happens. But it doesn't happen every time, like some kind of Donnie Darko fanfic. I got stomped on more than most, but I have a great life because I finally stopped blaming all my problems on the world and did something about it. They took advantage of your vulnerability- learn from it.
Well, I've actually been trying to be more cynical as a method of self improvement, I mean, I won't go masturbate in public and live in a tub, but meh I dunno. Also I know the world is a shitsack, pretty much the main reason I do art is to try to make the world a better place somehow.
And I know not everyone's a psychotronic bitch, just most, nothing's absolute, and people change all the time.
I dunno, when I get depressed I do stupid shit, dunno why, probably the same reason I get violent when I haven't eaten anything decent in days LOL
That Donnie Darko movie was dumb as hell, just random bullcrap, looked cool, but it didn't seem to have a point apart from random bullcrap happens that defies the laws of physics; deal with it.
And I know not everyone's a psychotronic bitch, just most, nothing's absolute, and people change all the time.
I dunno, when I get depressed I do stupid shit, dunno why, probably the same reason I get violent when I haven't eaten anything decent in days LOL
That Donnie Darko movie was dumb as hell, just random bullcrap, looked cool, but it didn't seem to have a point apart from random bullcrap happens that defies the laws of physics; deal with it.
Back in school, I swear to you, every second girl turned... er, "realized she was a lesbian" out of man-hate. I can count the number who were genuine lesbians, still loving their women today, on one hand. Weird thing, you'll never see a guy turn gay because he hates women...
Mm... Or rather, some people can "switch" their focus, but that's being self-made prison gay. Not true homosexuality. Which has a scientific, biological basis found in almost all vertebrate life on this planet mostly revolving around environmental factors. The science seems to say it mostly involves population density, chance, and to a small extent, genetic "susceptibility."
Why hate on thing, be cool hate everything. Give into your hatred.
That being said there are all different type of Assholes out there, People want something to hate and yell about for some women it hating men for others its banging there heads on the wall. I myself Had dates where the women only wanted a sugar daddy to buy them anything they want. But I do not hate people for it I just remember that life goes on and so do I.
As for Feminism I do not know much about it but as long as people don't pick a fight just cause then I do not have a problem with them
That being said there are all different type of Assholes out there, People want something to hate and yell about for some women it hating men for others its banging there heads on the wall. I myself Had dates where the women only wanted a sugar daddy to buy them anything they want. But I do not hate people for it I just remember that life goes on and so do I.
As for Feminism I do not know much about it but as long as people don't pick a fight just cause then I do not have a problem with them
Bi people get a variant of this, too-- we're either told we're confused and indecisive... or people will have this notion that if you're bi, you HAVE to be dating a man and a woman to happy.
It's like some who likes black licorice and red licorice. Just because you like both types doesn't mean you have to screw every peice of licorice you see.
Er, wait, I messed that up.
It's like some who likes black licorice and red licorice. Just because you like both types doesn't mean you have to screw every peice of licorice you see.
Er, wait, I messed that up.
Gotta have one of everything, dude? Love's basically exactly like Pokemon, right?
Also I will concede I'm always a little put off by the occasional "bisexuals see past the body to love the person inside!" trope that occasionally crops up. It's a well-intentioned (or sometimes self-aggrandising) sentiment I guess but really, I am not about to claim to be Paragon of the Love Transcendent because I like both men and women. I am, I assure y'all, as both carnal and emotional about my relationships as the next dude
Also I will concede I'm always a little put off by the occasional "bisexuals see past the body to love the person inside!" trope that occasionally crops up. It's a well-intentioned (or sometimes self-aggrandising) sentiment I guess but really, I am not about to claim to be Paragon of the Love Transcendent because I like both men and women. I am, I assure y'all, as both carnal and emotional about my relationships as the next dude
WOW HOLY WALL OF COMMENTS BATMAN. Although this is one of the better gender discussions I've seen on FA which is nice~
with that said, I get this pretty often since I'm a bit of a feminist, despite me being of fairly ambiguous sexuality. Along with the usual 'you called something sexist so you are a CRAZY FEMINAZI' logic, of course SIIIIGH. I love the menfolk, I swear! Some of them are just a little silly is all!
with that said, I get this pretty often since I'm a bit of a feminist, despite me being of fairly ambiguous sexuality. Along with the usual 'you called something sexist so you are a CRAZY FEMINAZI' logic, of course SIIIIGH. I love the menfolk, I swear! Some of them are just a little silly is all!
You're into girls? I did not know this... or perhaps I did, and I just spaced it. It was probably mentioned before.
Maybe I should take notes, I didn't think it was important, I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS GOING TO BE A TEST!
But yeah, boobs are epic. BOOBS COMPLETE ME!
URRR, I WISH I HAD MY OWN SO I COULD BE WITH BOOBS ALL THE TIME! But they would be manly boobs, powerful boobs, WEAPONIZED BOOBS! LLLLLLAAAAAAAASER BOOOOOOOBS!
Maybe I should take notes, I didn't think it was important, I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS GOING TO BE A TEST!
But yeah, boobs are epic. BOOBS COMPLETE ME!
URRR, I WISH I HAD MY OWN SO I COULD BE WITH BOOBS ALL THE TIME! But they would be manly boobs, powerful boobs, WEAPONIZED BOOBS! LLLLLLAAAAAAAASER BOOOOOOOBS!
Well who doesn't love boobies? They are great! They come in so many shapes and sizes.
I have to agree on the some people's misconception of gender being equal to personality traits. There is no trait that is exclusively male or female, we are all capable of being truly horrible or incredibly great people. The boobs do help though.
I have to agree on the some people's misconception of gender being equal to personality traits. There is no trait that is exclusively male or female, we are all capable of being truly horrible or incredibly great people. The boobs do help though.
HA -- I have to agree with you wholeheartedly! In all my 'I love men' glory the BEST 'man' by personality...has ovaries. Gender has little to do with a person's behaviors, and even less about why we choose to love who we love!!!!
Boobs, no matter who you are or why you like them, are awesome things. This is factual, just like 'goldfish need water to survive'
Boobs, no matter who you are or why you like them, are awesome things. This is factual, just like 'goldfish need water to survive'
Ah, if everyone could just wake up one day and choose to be gay. Because of COURSE the sex you're in makes just a tad more sense. Because you're in it, and therefore it's easier to understand! If anyone could just wake up and choose to be whatever sexuality they wanted to be that would make life and love much easier.
For some reason I feel the need to throw this one out... In my experience the men who touted themselves as the "Nice Guys" were always... Well... Not that nice. They were always the ones screaming,"WHY WON'T YOU/SHE/THEY LOVE MEEEEE?! I AM SO NIIIIIICE!" It's funny to think "oh, I'd treat this person so well, so very very well..." But you focus so much time and energy on how well -you- would treat them, you don't realize how selfish you're being. Trying to come off as a friend when something more is in your mind is... Hurtful, to everyone involved.
Also, may I just say another amazing comic, Pie!!! I love your sense of humor, and your comics are always a treat.
For some reason I feel the need to throw this one out... In my experience the men who touted themselves as the "Nice Guys" were always... Well... Not that nice. They were always the ones screaming,"WHY WON'T YOU/SHE/THEY LOVE MEEEEE?! I AM SO NIIIIIICE!" It's funny to think "oh, I'd treat this person so well, so very very well..." But you focus so much time and energy on how well -you- would treat them, you don't realize how selfish you're being. Trying to come off as a friend when something more is in your mind is... Hurtful, to everyone involved.
Also, may I just say another amazing comic, Pie!!! I love your sense of humor, and your comics are always a treat.
Oh, I just love these idiots. They always date the same assholes and then whine about THE WHOLE FUCKING GENDER. My mother and sister are that way. >.>;;
I really have to ask them this much: Why exactly is it that you haven't gone over to the other side? It couldn't be that, GASP! The thought of lesbian sex turns you off, could it?
GEE, IT COULDN'T POSSIBLY BE JUST YOU, NOW COULD IT?
What I hate even more are that the same idiots always have to make excuses for the "men" and boys in their lives. "Boys will be boys!" GAH. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? WHY ARE YOU BITCHING IF YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT'S HOW THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE??
I really have to ask them this much: Why exactly is it that you haven't gone over to the other side? It couldn't be that, GASP! The thought of lesbian sex turns you off, could it?
GEE, IT COULDN'T POSSIBLY BE JUST YOU, NOW COULD IT?
What I hate even more are that the same idiots always have to make excuses for the "men" and boys in their lives. "Boys will be boys!" GAH. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? WHY ARE YOU BITCHING IF YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT'S HOW THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE??
It's "truth" only in the sense that a minority portion of said group has those beliefs and displays those qualities, thus poisoning the well when it comes to anyone who hasn't actually encountered such a group, while the majority of people in that group do not share those beliefs or qualities.
Why is that necessarily a lesbian hate men? do you think that a heterosexual man hates men because he prefers women in terms of sexuality? If you find this stupid, know that it's as stupid as to believe that lesbian hate men, because it is to believe in the idea because we love this, we hate that.
For the rest, like a video game character to have said: "If I hate a race because I hate one of them, so I hate all the world, including humans." (I know it is not in direct connection with the subject, but if someone hates a group of individuals because of one individual, so long as that person starts to hate everybody!)
PS: Sorry for my English -_-;
For the rest, like a video game character to have said: "If I hate a race because I hate one of them, so I hate all the world, including humans." (I know it is not in direct connection with the subject, but if someone hates a group of individuals because of one individual, so long as that person starts to hate everybody!)
PS: Sorry for my English -_-;
If you don't hate men because of your feminist leanings, why do you hate them?
I'm sure their not all jerks, but they do all share the same natural instincts that make them appear that way, self centered and stubborn, some just have the ability to resist those impulses. Sure, women can be that way too, but men are more inclined to do it.
I'm sure their not all jerks, but they do all share the same natural instincts that make them appear that way, self centered and stubborn, some just have the ability to resist those impulses. Sure, women can be that way too, but men are more inclined to do it.
The main issue with feminists is not that the idea exists, it's that there's a small subgroup of them who want women to be treated as SUPERIORS to men, not just equals. And then the 'vocal minority' rule comes into play, making everyone confused.
Also, excellent pic. Boobs rule. \m/
Also, excellent pic. Boobs rule. \m/
Those aren't feminists, and they're not a vocal minority. It's everyone who doesn't like feminism presuming that feminism is about women being superior to men, and then pointing to that very small minority as "proof."
It's like with furries versus zoophiles. Are the zoophiles a vocal minority, or is it more a matter of people who hate the fandom bringing them up every chance they get?
It's like with furries versus zoophiles. Are the zoophiles a vocal minority, or is it more a matter of people who hate the fandom bringing them up every chance they get?
No one would care about the "extremist rhetoric" if there weren't an ongoing cultural movement that opposes the goals of feminism. There are socialist/communist activists in the U.S. who say some pretty outlandish things, but hardly anyone knows or cares about them, because no one's worried about them actually making headway.
When you last heard from a zoophile/plushophile/fursuit-yiffer, was it through their own advocacy/publicization of the practice, or was it through a media outlet with a clear bias against the fandom?
When you last heard from a zoophile/plushophile/fursuit-yiffer, was it through their own advocacy/publicization of the practice, or was it through a media outlet with a clear bias against the fandom?
Its always fun to see art that makes you laugh and makes a good point. Might just be me but a lot of times it seems like the people that say their gay because of a sexist-based hate (and females can be sexist to) its just a convenient excuse. I don't know why anyone would need an excuse like that but that's humanity for ya.
I also hate it when I hear bi/gay men say they are with men cause it is easier and women are too much trouble. I am bi, I have been with both men and women... both genders are a pain in the ass, but over all, yes, men are easier. However, that is an issue for me, cause I would rather have a partner that is a complex individual, thus prefer being with woman. Also, hey, boobies.
*Mr. Larrity Voice*
SWEET CRISPY CRAP ON A CRACKER!
How the Hell did this dang ole submission comment list thing get so dang long?! I can't make hide nor hare about what the dang ole fuss is about 'cause of all the yappin' people are makin'! I can't even tell whether Pie is Straight, Lesbian, Bi, Pan, Pizza, or Strawberry Rhubarb!
And dangit! Any joke I try and make that's poignant yet funny at the same time is jus gonna get sweeped unda the rug by all these blanket comments and commentaters! Shoot! I'mma gonna have to wait for the next picture before I can make a good comment that people'll see!
Darnit!
SWEET CRISPY CRAP ON A CRACKER!
How the Hell did this dang ole submission comment list thing get so dang long?! I can't make hide nor hare about what the dang ole fuss is about 'cause of all the yappin' people are makin'! I can't even tell whether Pie is Straight, Lesbian, Bi, Pan, Pizza, or Strawberry Rhubarb!
And dangit! Any joke I try and make that's poignant yet funny at the same time is jus gonna get sweeped unda the rug by all these blanket comments and commentaters! Shoot! I'mma gonna have to wait for the next picture before I can make a good comment that people'll see!
Darnit!
I will admit though that a fair percentage of men on this planet are trouble in some ways, and a smaller percentage than that are nothing but trouble.
But even smaller than that percentage are men that will be there till the end, assuming the girl he finds will do the same.
I like to think I'm of that percentage.
Even if I am unruly levels of evil on the inside.
But even smaller than that percentage are men that will be there till the end, assuming the girl he finds will do the same.
I like to think I'm of that percentage.
Even if I am unruly levels of evil on the inside.
Tits. One reason why I am and always have been a man, and will continue to be a man. When there are no more tits, I will fly away on a magical potato sack and probably end up stuck somewhere between Valhalla and that gas station off the side of Route 66, living my life as a shoemaker who makes ill-fitted sandals, and only ill-fitted sandals.
This is made of win. I really really hate that mindset too "I date X because I don't like Y". That's dumb and rage inducing. What you like shouldn't be the "rest" of two choices where you dislike the other.
And yes, I've seen my share of both men and women that are a sad excuse of human beings.
And yes, I've seen my share of both men and women that are a sad excuse of human beings.
I guess this sums up why this fandom exists.
'Damn humans, with their jealous rages and unfaithfulness. I'm just gonna pretend I'm an animal, they don't suffer from such shortcomings and so I will be free from these pitfalls.'
Actually, no, that'll just lead to bestiality. Isn't that right, Mr. Whiskers?
'Damn humans, with their jealous rages and unfaithfulness. I'm just gonna pretend I'm an animal, they don't suffer from such shortcomings and so I will be free from these pitfalls.'
Actually, no, that'll just lead to bestiality. Isn't that right, Mr. Whiskers?
Sorry to say this but I think I would hate your step sister just for that comment alone. Its borderline sexist and I've dealt with women like that enough times as it. Not all men are trouble a good amount of us are nice people. And I cam say the same thing about women and its just as true about men. Sorry for my rant people who make comments like that just make me mad.
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