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I have been considering switching from Windows to Linux.
I'm pretty sure I want to go with Bazzite. But, Mint and Cachy look kinda good too.
But I've also heard good things about Nobara.
Or maybe I wanna go classical with Debian.
Or maybe I [spends the next hour listing every distro known to man except Arch]
I'm pretty sure I want to go with Bazzite. But, Mint and Cachy look kinda good too.
But I've also heard good things about Nobara.
Or maybe I wanna go classical with Debian.
Or maybe I [spends the next hour listing every distro known to man except Arch]
for her, every time it went to sleep it would forget the monitor layout on wake. Her portrait monitor became primary, in horizontal mode, and her horizontal monitor was just blank black. xD so you had to turn your head sideways and fiddle with the monitor layout to get it back to normal.
I eventually figured out the cause... wayland... once I set it back to X11, the problem went away.
I eventually figured out the cause... wayland... once I set it back to X11, the problem went away.
people are blowing it quite a bit out of proportion, if you've ever cleaned up your os a little, using tools it's not that difficult
getting rid of copilot is chocked up to clicking uninstall
wintoys will easily give you a short quick lineup off switches to turn off for the ad bs
onedrive is probably the biggest headache, and even then that's just going about it correctly, simple as a google search.
i find the "settings" vs the control panel the most frustrating thing, but you can always find your way where you want after a lil learning, just like any other windows upgrade
getting rid of copilot is chocked up to clicking uninstall
wintoys will easily give you a short quick lineup off switches to turn off for the ad bs
onedrive is probably the biggest headache, and even then that's just going about it correctly, simple as a google search.
i find the "settings" vs the control panel the most frustrating thing, but you can always find your way where you want after a lil learning, just like any other windows upgrade
Sure, I could fight my OS for control over my PC at every turn, or I could just sidestep the problem entirely.
And have you seen the reports that those settings can reverse themselves, and that Copilot can reinstall itself at every update, just like Edge does in Win 10?
The real question becomes, then: At what point would you say, Enough?
And have you seen the reports that those settings can reverse themselves, and that Copilot can reinstall itself at every update, just like Edge does in Win 10?
The real question becomes, then: At what point would you say, Enough?
every os i've ever touched has had some sort of software i didn't want on it out the gate, and at some point an update has gone "hey you might want this"
that's essentially what im describing after using a tool to properly clean it up, no different than any browser tbh
i've heard the same when it comes reverting and copilot, but this seems to be installs that aren't done by an iso (yes im speaking of the official) yeah the silly microsoft account connection is the hardest part, but easily bypassed by rufus
most of the fixes is as simple as installing a program similar to a package, or uninstalling things similar to a package
that's essentially what im describing after using a tool to properly clean it up, no different than any browser tbh
i've heard the same when it comes reverting and copilot, but this seems to be installs that aren't done by an iso (yes im speaking of the official) yeah the silly microsoft account connection is the hardest part, but easily bypassed by rufus
most of the fixes is as simple as installing a program similar to a package, or uninstalling things similar to a package
i feel like theirs a fundamental lack of the question "can i do this differently" that makes people feel they're suffering, but linux isn't going to give you that curiosity, you must find that in yourself
personally i feel that how windows and other software has eased differences is exactly what motivated me to ask that question, i've pushed the envelope on what my hardware can do because i understood more about it
recently learned to undervolt my laptop and adjusted the max boost clock to keep it from thermal throttling, got myself over well over 60% performance boost and incredibly stable framerates vs where it was
realized a software i was using on another system has been a key tool to get even more performance and stability (shoutout process lasso)
personally i feel that how windows and other software has eased differences is exactly what motivated me to ask that question, i've pushed the envelope on what my hardware can do because i understood more about it
recently learned to undervolt my laptop and adjusted the max boost clock to keep it from thermal throttling, got myself over well over 60% performance boost and incredibly stable framerates vs where it was
realized a software i was using on another system has been a key tool to get even more performance and stability (shoutout process lasso)
I don't really think it's an overraction given how Microsoft keeps openly bragging about how much more data they can collect. If you have enabled the use of TPM, there is even a literal open backdoor which can be used to spy on you with remote attestation.
And that is ignoring that W11 keeps reinstalling Copilot and every other piece of Software with each update.
And that is ignoring that W11 keeps reinstalling Copilot and every other piece of Software with each update.
tpm is just needed for windows hello = microsoft account, so no thx lol
and as other comment i just posted says
i've heard the same when it comes reverting and copilot, but this seems to be installs that aren't done by an iso (yes im speaking of the official) yeah the silly microsoft account connection is the hardest part, but easily bypassed by rufus
im not saying windows is better than linux, but people act like they're being actively harassed like it's adblock free internet
yeah the os comes with a lil slop, but they seem to avoid looking for alternatives, i've been getting alternative softwares since vista, we hated so much in it, and i skipped 8 because it had such a bad reputation, it feels like no one bat an eye at win10 issues, because it carried a lot from 8 and 11 was just a little different than 10
and as other comment i just posted says
i've heard the same when it comes reverting and copilot, but this seems to be installs that aren't done by an iso (yes im speaking of the official) yeah the silly microsoft account connection is the hardest part, but easily bypassed by rufus
im not saying windows is better than linux, but people act like they're being actively harassed like it's adblock free internet
yeah the os comes with a lil slop, but they seem to avoid looking for alternatives, i've been getting alternative softwares since vista, we hated so much in it, and i skipped 8 because it had such a bad reputation, it feels like no one bat an eye at win10 issues, because it carried a lot from 8 and 11 was just a little different than 10
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Currently, I work as a secondary system administrator for a laboratory, and I can tell you, with confidence, that both Windows 10 and Windows 11, without a doubt of my mind, are bad operating systems. I don't know where you got the impression that Windows 10 is liked by people, I personally found it barely tolerable but I stuck with it because I was used to Windows. Until they announced last year that they would end support for W10 this year.
Right now, at my job, I installed new RAM modules into a work laptop and it literally blue screens only when it boots into Windows 11. The laptop works just fine under a Linux ISO I tested out with a flash drive. And the RAM modules are fine, too, it's just some kind of Windows-specific driver issue that I haven't figured out yet.
By default Windows is expecting everyone to use both Bitlocker and TPM, the latter of which MS is using to actively spy on you. And Bitlocker literally locks you out of your own PC if you change your hardware at all. That can happen if you forget to switch it off. If a PC component breaks and you forget your Bitlocker key, your hard drive becomes e-waste. I don't know what kind of tailored version of Windows 11 you are using, but I got ads in the weather app even. Weather information is completely free, btw, so there is no recurring cost for MS here with which they could justify ads.
Changing your OS really isn't a big deal. It's more a matter of finally changing up something that you have been used to for so long. Heck, I was able to convince a few work colleagues (who aren't as tech savvy) to try out Linux Mint, and were pleasantly surprised. The average person will only use their PC for browsing. For such use cases, you will never need to go into a command console. Just as long as you update your browser, most people won't care about any new shiny features or UIs, just as long as their browsers work.
I don't know how to tell you this, but the criticisms you are describing are not exaggerations. I am not expecting to change your mind, but I just felt the need to leave this comment for any other readers just to really emphasise that W11 is the second worst Windows that has ever hit the market. The only one that is worse was Windows ME, which would bluescreen so often that it made PCs unusable.
Honestly, the worst about Linux isn't even the OS itself, but the fact that finding support or answers to specific questions are so annoying. There are so many forum users who get outright pissed that someone would seek tech support... on tech support forums.
Right now, at my job, I installed new RAM modules into a work laptop and it literally blue screens only when it boots into Windows 11. The laptop works just fine under a Linux ISO I tested out with a flash drive. And the RAM modules are fine, too, it's just some kind of Windows-specific driver issue that I haven't figured out yet.
By default Windows is expecting everyone to use both Bitlocker and TPM, the latter of which MS is using to actively spy on you. And Bitlocker literally locks you out of your own PC if you change your hardware at all. That can happen if you forget to switch it off. If a PC component breaks and you forget your Bitlocker key, your hard drive becomes e-waste. I don't know what kind of tailored version of Windows 11 you are using, but I got ads in the weather app even. Weather information is completely free, btw, so there is no recurring cost for MS here with which they could justify ads.
Changing your OS really isn't a big deal. It's more a matter of finally changing up something that you have been used to for so long. Heck, I was able to convince a few work colleagues (who aren't as tech savvy) to try out Linux Mint, and were pleasantly surprised. The average person will only use their PC for browsing. For such use cases, you will never need to go into a command console. Just as long as you update your browser, most people won't care about any new shiny features or UIs, just as long as their browsers work.
I don't know how to tell you this, but the criticisms you are describing are not exaggerations. I am not expecting to change your mind, but I just felt the need to leave this comment for any other readers just to really emphasise that W11 is the second worst Windows that has ever hit the market. The only one that is worse was Windows ME, which would bluescreen so often that it made PCs unusable.
Honestly, the worst about Linux isn't even the OS itself, but the fact that finding support or answers to specific questions are so annoying. There are so many forum users who get outright pissed that someone would seek tech support... on tech support forums.
Whatever you go with, it's gonna take some adjusting and experimentation to end up with the environment that feels most comfortable to you, and the basic process of open package manager -> install a thing -> try it -> repeat until approximately okay -> remove the things that weren't your thing is broadly applicable across distros, until you get into the really hardcore "yes I do want to build everything from source" nerd stuff.
That said, I recall Mint being nice and straightforward last I touched it.
That said, I recall Mint being nice and straightforward last I touched it.
It's a little rough around the edges because it assumes you have some knowledge of how computers work beyond merely
interacting with the file and internet browsers, but it really is a much more customizable experience. A lot of entry-level distros nowadays are close to Windows levels of "it just works™"
interacting with the file and internet browsers, but it really is a much more customizable experience. A lot of entry-level distros nowadays are close to Windows levels of "it just works™"
No, not really. It still is more heavily reliant on customization, a lot of things requires Terminal interaction, compatibility is still limited, stability is also limited (I got OnlyOffice to crash-close without error while Saving As, for one)...
While yes, Windows has its problem, Microsoft is kind of a dick... A lot of things are still easier to work around, you get a backwards compatibility that can go all the way back to MSDOS, developers often focuses on Windows compatibility first, hardware prioritize Windows, creating shortcuts is much simpler... There's a lot of things with Windows that is ten times or more simpler than Linux, even if it lacks the flexibility.
A wise man once said: "If you want a personal machine, go Windows. If you want security, go Mac. If you are an advanced user, go Linux"
If I were to ever consider having to rely on a Linux machine, it would be with Steam OS, and that still has hardware restriction (regrettably), and it would be solely for a side machine (with focus on gaming). For my main machine, I cannot go on without Windows because I don't have the time, money, energy, or brain to learn a whole new language.
While yes, Windows has its problem, Microsoft is kind of a dick... A lot of things are still easier to work around, you get a backwards compatibility that can go all the way back to MSDOS, developers often focuses on Windows compatibility first, hardware prioritize Windows, creating shortcuts is much simpler... There's a lot of things with Windows that is ten times or more simpler than Linux, even if it lacks the flexibility.
A wise man once said: "If you want a personal machine, go Windows. If you want security, go Mac. If you are an advanced user, go Linux"
If I were to ever consider having to rely on a Linux machine, it would be with Steam OS, and that still has hardware restriction (regrettably), and it would be solely for a side machine (with focus on gaming). For my main machine, I cannot go on without Windows because I don't have the time, money, energy, or brain to learn a whole new language.
Hence the "assumes you have some knowledge of how computers work beyond merely interacting with the file and internet browsers" part of the comment you replied to.
Linux breaks in extremely predictable ways and there's always going to be 10,000 people before you in a community obsessed with documenting, reproducing, and fixing software issues that have had the break you did, and virtually every single hardware issue outside of absurdly specific esoteric and niche situations has a complete fix or at the very least a stable workaround.
It simply asks that you actually understand computers, be comfortable doing basic terminal commands, and be willing to become proficient at using your own hardware beyond the mind-numbing plug and play Microsoft has conditioned people in to relying on. If you're not willing to be a little bit more involved, then yeah don't bother with Linux. Also SteamOS is just Archlinux running the KDE Plasma environment and with Big Picture Mode set as a launch parameter. If you can use SteamOS, you're pretty much already proficient enough with Linux to just use Linux.
Linux breaks in extremely predictable ways and there's always going to be 10,000 people before you in a community obsessed with documenting, reproducing, and fixing software issues that have had the break you did, and virtually every single hardware issue outside of absurdly specific esoteric and niche situations has a complete fix or at the very least a stable workaround.
It simply asks that you actually understand computers, be comfortable doing basic terminal commands, and be willing to become proficient at using your own hardware beyond the mind-numbing plug and play Microsoft has conditioned people in to relying on. If you're not willing to be a little bit more involved, then yeah don't bother with Linux. Also SteamOS is just Archlinux running the KDE Plasma environment and with Big Picture Mode set as a launch parameter. If you can use SteamOS, you're pretty much already proficient enough with Linux to just use Linux.
I don't know, "mind-numbing" came from years of making things more user-friendly and avoiding having to put the user in a maze of commands that makes NO sense whatsoever and sounds more like you are trying to program your PC rather than trying to use it, not to tell making things unnecessarily redundant ("Oh, I need to edit this text file and put a specific location to an image so that I can have a shortcut to an application?! Oh, and to prevent it from being messed up I need this text file in a completely different folder!")
It's not about getting involved, it's about not getting more headache than I need to, it's about saving time, it's about not having to struggle finding what I need, this mentality of superiority Linux folks have is one of the MANY major reasons for me to not want to get involved.
Oh, and Windows is not so "mind-numbing", it just simplifies the mundane stuff so you can focus on your work, but you STILL got to learn how to get under the hood. Like when I taught streamers that you can, in fact, disable auto-restart for auto-update.
It's not about getting involved, it's about not getting more headache than I need to, it's about saving time, it's about not having to struggle finding what I need, this mentality of superiority Linux folks have is one of the MANY major reasons for me to not want to get involved.
Oh, and Windows is not so "mind-numbing", it just simplifies the mundane stuff so you can focus on your work, but you STILL got to learn how to get under the hood. Like when I taught streamers that you can, in fact, disable auto-restart for auto-update.
Dunno brother I think in the midst of Microsoft making Windows more and more and more unusable as they write half their code with GenAI and shove so much bloat in to their OS that a third of your machine's compute becomes dedicated to memory leaks and redundancy and spyware, with many people putting tens of thousands of volunteer hours in to making Linux GUI installers and distros that make the transition as seamless as possible to help folks make the switch, showing up to a post about it and telling people their "mentality of superiority" is why you refuse to even bother is infinitely more annoying and dickish than anybody justifiably encouraging people to give it a shot lmao
You say that as if Linux users do not write with GenAI (spoilers: they do. A LOT), and as if Linux is anywhere stable (spoilers: it isn't).
And no, Linux's folks are way more annoying and dickish. I "gave it a shot", my work machine (not home machine) regrettably runs on Linux and most times I had to spent an hour looking for a fix to something that in Windows takes literally five minutes (case in point: making a shortcut. No, the documentation and community didn't help).
And I'm very, very, VERY tired of people acting like Linux is perfect, a panacea. No it isn't. When the distro you rely on inevitably dies out, you'll have to hope another distro fulfills the need. And when it doesn't? Where do you run to?
And no, Linux's folks are way more annoying and dickish. I "gave it a shot", my work machine (not home machine) regrettably runs on Linux and most times I had to spent an hour looking for a fix to something that in Windows takes literally five minutes (case in point: making a shortcut. No, the documentation and community didn't help).
And I'm very, very, VERY tired of people acting like Linux is perfect, a panacea. No it isn't. When the distro you rely on inevitably dies out, you'll have to hope another distro fulfills the need. And when it doesn't? Where do you run to?
And it always comes off like those Linux folks are doomsayers, like they WANT shit to hit the fans just so they can come out of their fallout shelter and say "I told you so".
And rare are the actually logical Linux folks who suggests "you could dual boot and have the best of both worlds"
And rare are the actually logical Linux folks who suggests "you could dual boot and have the best of both worlds"
Edit: Did you seriously block me over this? I think there's a lot more personal insecurity here than just preference of OS but whatever man, I'll just drop my response here.
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Dunno man the average arch shitbox server has an uptime measured in years while the average windows install these days will actively start causing memory leaks to force you to reboot so it can slap you with updates that add more garbage that make headlines for security flaws and hardware bricking issues. The rubicon is in the process of being crossed which is why so many people are making the switch right now.
Nobody has said that Linux is perfect or that Windows is at 100% failure rate, just that the stability and reliability of Windows is decreasing rapidly and many people are noticing the great strides taken in making a lot of newbie-friendly Linux distros as plug and play as possible, so the switch is being mad en-masse. Just dual-boot if you need Windows for something but acting like Linux hasn't advanced in any way since 15-20 years ago is just wrong.
And keep in mind that every single person here was just having fun or asking for help making the switch, and you are the ONLY person who decided to show up and start being negative, and when somebody who knows better than you pointed out the reality of the modern day linux desktop you went "no" and proceeded to rant and rave and act like everybody else is a dick except for you.
You could have just chosen to say nothing.
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Dunno man the average arch shitbox server has an uptime measured in years while the average windows install these days will actively start causing memory leaks to force you to reboot so it can slap you with updates that add more garbage that make headlines for security flaws and hardware bricking issues. The rubicon is in the process of being crossed which is why so many people are making the switch right now.
Nobody has said that Linux is perfect or that Windows is at 100% failure rate, just that the stability and reliability of Windows is decreasing rapidly and many people are noticing the great strides taken in making a lot of newbie-friendly Linux distros as plug and play as possible, so the switch is being mad en-masse. Just dual-boot if you need Windows for something but acting like Linux hasn't advanced in any way since 15-20 years ago is just wrong.
And keep in mind that every single person here was just having fun or asking for help making the switch, and you are the ONLY person who decided to show up and start being negative, and when somebody who knows better than you pointed out the reality of the modern day linux desktop you went "no" and proceeded to rant and rave and act like everybody else is a dick except for you.
You could have just chosen to say nothing.
He has me blocked yet continues the discussion by going out of his way to show up here to see if I responded to myself because he's deeply self conscious about being a fanatic for a trillion dollar corporation that funds genocide and desperately needs to get the last word in while insisting that it's people who use linux that are the actual assholes. FurAffinity reply guys are another breed lmao
I just looked at Bazzite today. Planning to move at some point - when, not if.
My problem though is that I've just... I apparently have a few windows-only things that I consider "Important".
My macro software - AutoHotkey. Thankfully it has an equiv in AHK_X11 but it's v1 AutoHotkey so... Lost features and a full code rewrite - 2000+ lines... Fun...
My audio mixer.
And that's just the "#1 most important" stuff...
Paaaaaaaaain.
My problem though is that I've just... I apparently have a few windows-only things that I consider "Important".
My macro software - AutoHotkey. Thankfully it has an equiv in AHK_X11 but it's v1 AutoHotkey so... Lost features and a full code rewrite - 2000+ lines... Fun...
My audio mixer.
And that's just the "#1 most important" stuff...
Paaaaaaaaain.
reading this on arch right now, with a windows vista theme on a thinkpad. you'd be surprised at how easy it is to install arch with 'archinstall',
honestly. sure, it's not the hard way of doing it, but installing arch shouldn't be hard. i guess people think arch is hard because they go 'hey, you need to know all of this stuff before you do it..'
you really don't, it's all just reading documentation and googling up how to do stuff when you forget. soon enough you'll have it memorized. it's fun
honestly. sure, it's not the hard way of doing it, but installing arch shouldn't be hard. i guess people think arch is hard because they go 'hey, you need to know all of this stuff before you do it..'
you really don't, it's all just reading documentation and googling up how to do stuff when you forget. soon enough you'll have it memorized. it's fun
The most adorable sequel that I've ever seen being presented as a familiarly wholesome moment here, I hecking adore how lovingly snuggable these works are here! Your artpieces are just the most loving works that I've ever seen here, and I am excited to seeing alot more like it in the future! Keep up the beautifully expressive artwork!
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