My Lamb was never motivated by revenge, but by absolution and the desire to rebuild.
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The encounters with Hagar were interesting to be sure. Truth be told, when i learned that the executioner was going to show up as a boss in the dlc, i was all for payback at first. And then i experienced the first encounter with Hagar. Seeing how tormented she was by her guilt, it made me want to save her instead.
I quite like how you've portrayed both Abas and Hagar, i wonder what Marchosias and Yngya would look like in this world of yours, especially Yngya given what happens to her at the end of woolhavens story.
I quite like how you've portrayed both Abas and Hagar, i wonder what Marchosias and Yngya would look like in this world of yours, especially Yngya given what happens to her at the end of woolhavens story.
I tried to keep as away from spoilers as I could, and I can honestly say I wasn't expecting the executioner from the very beginning of the base game to show up! So it was really interesting to find her in the DLC, and I'm real pleased with how her storyline turned out.
And thank you! I'm hoping to draw both the doggy girls more, they're so lovely!
Marchosias ends up meeting the end he does in canon because while I'm a 'happy end for everyone' kinda weenie, I feel it fits both his canon story and what my Lamb would do. She was taught in her birth cult that mercy is allowing the willing to live and those who wish to die to do so, and though she would probably reach out to him, his staunch refusal would deffos trigger her conditioning that sometimes living isn't the merciful option. As for Yngya, I'm still planning out what to do with her in my AU, but it's...perhaps even more complicated than Lamb's feelings towards Marchosias. Lamb was going through Woolhaven resentful of being summoned by yet another God. (She was planning on trying for children the year Yngya's shrine appears) And so when Lamb finds out the truth of the situation, she sees echoes of a pitiful, corrupted thing she might have become had she not been adopted by her wolf family.
And thank you! I'm hoping to draw both the doggy girls more, they're so lovely!
Marchosias ends up meeting the end he does in canon because while I'm a 'happy end for everyone' kinda weenie, I feel it fits both his canon story and what my Lamb would do. She was taught in her birth cult that mercy is allowing the willing to live and those who wish to die to do so, and though she would probably reach out to him, his staunch refusal would deffos trigger her conditioning that sometimes living isn't the merciful option. As for Yngya, I'm still planning out what to do with her in my AU, but it's...perhaps even more complicated than Lamb's feelings towards Marchosias. Lamb was going through Woolhaven resentful of being summoned by yet another God. (She was planning on trying for children the year Yngya's shrine appears) And so when Lamb finds out the truth of the situation, she sees echoes of a pitiful, corrupted thing she might have become had she not been adopted by her wolf family.
Does that include not watching any of the trailers or the gameplay review, because the executioner does show up in them. Regardless, I'm also pleased with how her story wound up, save one thing. I kinda wish we could've found a way to mend hagars relations with the spirits of woolhaven, and yet all the same i can understand why such a thing likely wouldn't be possible. Regardless, I'm happy they let us take her in.
So, did she grant him death, or does the Marchosias in your au end up taking his own life? If its the latter, i can imagine the moment would've left quite the impact on her. I wonder how your lamb reacted to the spreading rot, and Marchosias becoming infected by it/
A complicated situation indeed, i wonder if those echoes might be enough to encourage your lamb to help Yngya, or at least try to save her from what she is becoming. Unsurprisingly, i have my own headcannon AU i've been working on since before woolhaven, and in my AU, Lambert (my lamb) genuinely wanted to find a way to save Yngya. After learning about how Yngya was once a kind soul whom dearly loved her lambs, seeing what she was becoming was painful for Lambert.
So, did she grant him death, or does the Marchosias in your au end up taking his own life? If its the latter, i can imagine the moment would've left quite the impact on her. I wonder how your lamb reacted to the spreading rot, and Marchosias becoming infected by it/
A complicated situation indeed, i wonder if those echoes might be enough to encourage your lamb to help Yngya, or at least try to save her from what she is becoming. Unsurprisingly, i have my own headcannon AU i've been working on since before woolhaven, and in my AU, Lambert (my lamb) genuinely wanted to find a way to save Yngya. After learning about how Yngya was once a kind soul whom dearly loved her lambs, seeing what she was becoming was painful for Lambert.
I think I only watched the very first animated trailer + the ranch animals one! And yeah, I'm glad that Hagar was an automatic execution type of deal, I'm real glad to take her in if the woolhaven ghosts don't want her!
Marchosias ends up taking his own life as he does in canon, with my Lamb offering him indoctrination once and then allowing him to end himself when he refuses. It shakes her very badly, especially given that she knows there's a cure for the rot that she has readily available and would be more than willing to provide to him and his pack for nothing in return. She's someone who thinks that having even a cruel God is better than no god at all (she grew up across the sea where there's no gods and no magic, so her view is extremely skewed compared to those who grew up under the Bishops), so she can't understand why he'd choose death over life.
My Lamb at first thinks Yngya is just another God trying to use Lamb for her own machinations, even to the point of calling the former Bishops into the temple for a council of war regarding what Yngya's strengths and weaknesses are because Lamb is anticipating another god-killing. Once the true situation becomes more apparent, Lamb was planning on trying to use the Red Crown to lay Yngya's spirit to rest at long last, but when lil Follower Yngya pops out of the meat horror, Lamb tries to squash her complicated feelings and help Yngya adjust to life in the cult. Lamb, at the point Woolhaven occurs in my AU (~5 years after bishop defeat), is in a position to acknowledge she's unfairly prejudiced against her own species, and interacting and helping Follower Yngya will help her on her journey there.
Marchosias ends up taking his own life as he does in canon, with my Lamb offering him indoctrination once and then allowing him to end himself when he refuses. It shakes her very badly, especially given that she knows there's a cure for the rot that she has readily available and would be more than willing to provide to him and his pack for nothing in return. She's someone who thinks that having even a cruel God is better than no god at all (she grew up across the sea where there's no gods and no magic, so her view is extremely skewed compared to those who grew up under the Bishops), so she can't understand why he'd choose death over life.
My Lamb at first thinks Yngya is just another God trying to use Lamb for her own machinations, even to the point of calling the former Bishops into the temple for a council of war regarding what Yngya's strengths and weaknesses are because Lamb is anticipating another god-killing. Once the true situation becomes more apparent, Lamb was planning on trying to use the Red Crown to lay Yngya's spirit to rest at long last, but when lil Follower Yngya pops out of the meat horror, Lamb tries to squash her complicated feelings and help Yngya adjust to life in the cult. Lamb, at the point Woolhaven occurs in my AU (~5 years after bishop defeat), is in a position to acknowledge she's unfairly prejudiced against her own species, and interacting and helping Follower Yngya will help her on her journey there.
Ah, that makes sense. I would imagine your lamb would have to spend some time helping Hagar cope with that soul-crushing guilt of hers. I would also imagine things would be quite awkward between hagar and the now former bishops. Of the four, i can see shamura being the first to want to mend things with hagar, being the most regretful of the four bishops. Heket would probably take the longest to apologize due to her own temper and brash nature. I find it curious that one raised without gods would desire their guidance, I imagine that belief was shaken when the bishops captured and executed her.
If Marchosias' end shook her up that badly, i would imagine even seeing Marchosias being consumed by the spreading rot must've hurt, especially since Marchosias kept blaming her for the rot's Prescence in ewefall.
I would guess part of that prejudice came from the actions of the spirits of woolhaven, and their attempt to damn the world that damned them (Good thing they show genuine remorse for that). Much like with hagar, meeting the former bishops would also be awkward for Yngya, since they are the ones that killed her before, on top of sentencing the lambs she loved to extinction. The four bishops would probably be quite shocked to see Yngya again, and Yngya would certantly not be happy to see them.
If Marchosias' end shook her up that badly, i would imagine even seeing Marchosias being consumed by the spreading rot must've hurt, especially since Marchosias kept blaming her for the rot's Prescence in ewefall.
I would guess part of that prejudice came from the actions of the spirits of woolhaven, and their attempt to damn the world that damned them (Good thing they show genuine remorse for that). Much like with hagar, meeting the former bishops would also be awkward for Yngya, since they are the ones that killed her before, on top of sentencing the lambs she loved to extinction. The four bishops would probably be quite shocked to see Yngya again, and Yngya would certantly not be happy to see them.
This ties into Lamb's prejudice against her own species, but she's gonna have a funny time with trying to help Hagar with her guilt because my Lamb truly did not mind being executed. She was raised for the purpose of eventual slaughter in her birth flock, and only their untimely demise in a landslide prevented that. While her wolf family managed to undo some of the damage her birth flock did to how she views the world, they never could undo the idea in her mind that her purpose was to die for the benefit of others. So, from Lamb's POV, not only was Hagar doing something that Lamb can't blame her for (as Hagar was forced into it), but Hagar was helping Lamb fulfill a divine purpose. She also bears no ill will towards the Bishops for her own death, but she does bear some bad feelings for Old Faith cultists killing 3/4 wolves in her adopted pack to get to her. As her birth flock worshipped a God that didn't exist and thus could not grant miracles like curing sickness or making crops grow, she finds the concept of a God living and talking with their mortal worshippers and performing miracles to be fascinating. She genuinely would have rather lived and died under the Bishops, as at least then there'd be a chance of miracles and answered prayers, than under an illusion of divinity where one's prayers simply went nowhere.
And yeah, she didn't want that for Marchosias at all. My Lamb's intention was to just do what she needed to do on Ewefall and leave the mountain to him, and the fact that she was deceived into helping to spread the rot and then had to keep going to finish things with Yngya left her pretty bitter and resentful of the residents of Woolhaven. Despite her belief in absolution, she has a really hard time forgiving the sheep ghosts (especially as they were driven by revenge, which is something Lamb is against), and while she doesn't try to harm them, she needs a long time to cool off before she's a frequent visitor to the ghost village again.
Lamb's prejudice against her own species came from the opinions she formed as an adult of her birth flock after her adoptive wolf pack did their best to deprogram her. (The flock's beliefs can be found on this one - https://www.furaffinity.net/view/63005742/ ) While she was never able to shake the impression that she was meant to die and was happily looking forward to it until Narinder gave her a new purpose (of running the cult for him and being his servant), she did come to view most of their teachings as bullshit and looked down on them for letting the threat of the Old Faith force them into being 'stupid, weak, cowering things'. She was fully prepared to give the residents of Woolhaven a fair chance, but them defiling the corpse of their God for the sake of revenge and trying to destroy the entire Lands of the Old Faith just made her sure that most of her species are awful cowards bent on making terrible choices. It's not really the fault of the sheep that she's met that the pressure of extinction forced them into desperate circumstances and actions, but it's hard for her as she's seen how other creatures preserver in the face of adversity and come together rather than throwing others under the bus.
And yeah, she didn't want that for Marchosias at all. My Lamb's intention was to just do what she needed to do on Ewefall and leave the mountain to him, and the fact that she was deceived into helping to spread the rot and then had to keep going to finish things with Yngya left her pretty bitter and resentful of the residents of Woolhaven. Despite her belief in absolution, she has a really hard time forgiving the sheep ghosts (especially as they were driven by revenge, which is something Lamb is against), and while she doesn't try to harm them, she needs a long time to cool off before she's a frequent visitor to the ghost village again.
Lamb's prejudice against her own species came from the opinions she formed as an adult of her birth flock after her adoptive wolf pack did their best to deprogram her. (The flock's beliefs can be found on this one - https://www.furaffinity.net/view/63005742/ ) While she was never able to shake the impression that she was meant to die and was happily looking forward to it until Narinder gave her a new purpose (of running the cult for him and being his servant), she did come to view most of their teachings as bullshit and looked down on them for letting the threat of the Old Faith force them into being 'stupid, weak, cowering things'. She was fully prepared to give the residents of Woolhaven a fair chance, but them defiling the corpse of their God for the sake of revenge and trying to destroy the entire Lands of the Old Faith just made her sure that most of her species are awful cowards bent on making terrible choices. It's not really the fault of the sheep that she's met that the pressure of extinction forced them into desperate circumstances and actions, but it's hard for her as she's seen how other creatures preserver in the face of adversity and come together rather than throwing others under the bus.
Does that imply that old faith cultists left the lands of the old faith to go after your lamb, or did she and the wolves move to the lands instead? If the former is the case, that'd be something our lambs have in common. Lambert, my lamb, lived in a village located outside the lands of the old faith, which gave the villagers a false sense of security, as that didn't stop Heket and her cultists raising the place to the ground.
I wonder, with you mentioning how accepting your lamb is of death and execution, why did she turn on Narinder, as happens in the game? When Narinder demands her life at the end of the base story, with the way you've described her beliefs, you'd think your lamb would be happy to give her life to Narinder, so what changed? Perhaps she had people she had grown to care about in her flock, maybe a loved one?
I can see why your lamb would be angry, considering their own beliefs. My lamb, Lambert, wasn't so much angry as he was dissapointed in them. He didn't blame them for being angry with their fate and angry at the world that seemed to discard them, but he feels they forgot that the lambs aren't the only ones who have suffered at the hands of the old faith, thats something he hopes to teach them in the future. I suppose for both of our lambs, its a good thing the spirits of woolhaven seem genuinely remorseful for what they tried to unleash on the world and what they did to Yngya. I know for certain that ewefall won't soon let them forget, while the rot may no longer plague the surface, it still lives below, not destroyed, but merely contained. A permanent reminder of their actions.
I wonder, with you mentioning how accepting your lamb is of death and execution, why did she turn on Narinder, as happens in the game? When Narinder demands her life at the end of the base story, with the way you've described her beliefs, you'd think your lamb would be happy to give her life to Narinder, so what changed? Perhaps she had people she had grown to care about in her flock, maybe a loved one?
I can see why your lamb would be angry, considering their own beliefs. My lamb, Lambert, wasn't so much angry as he was dissapointed in them. He didn't blame them for being angry with their fate and angry at the world that seemed to discard them, but he feels they forgot that the lambs aren't the only ones who have suffered at the hands of the old faith, thats something he hopes to teach them in the future. I suppose for both of our lambs, its a good thing the spirits of woolhaven seem genuinely remorseful for what they tried to unleash on the world and what they did to Yngya. I know for certain that ewefall won't soon let them forget, while the rot may no longer plague the surface, it still lives below, not destroyed, but merely contained. A permanent reminder of their actions.
They were sent out of the Lands of the Old Faith to go after Lamb, and found her family relatively quickly as her family lived a nomadic lifestyle traveling up and down the coast that bordered the Old Faith sea. The cultists couldn't use magic and weren't especially stronger than a normal mortal due to being outside the bounds, but numbers and surprise still saw them succeed in capturing Lamb. One of Lamb's brothers got away, and she eventually sends for him once she's become a God and it's safe for him to come live with her.
Lamb defied Narinder for a few reasons, but the primary one was that she viewed him giving her the purpose of running the cult as over-writing the purpose of her only existing to die for others. It was the first time in her life she really wanted to live rather than die for another, and his betrayal telling her to kneel and give her life to him hurt her badly. This ties into the second reason, which is that when he asked her to do that, she could see no future for him that didn't end in his eventual death because he'd keep treating the people around him badly and she wouldn't be there to save him from the consequences of his own actions. She views her purpose now as to guide Narinder through healing and becoming someone who won't get himself axed if she ever gives the crown back to him.
Lamb defied Narinder for a few reasons, but the primary one was that she viewed him giving her the purpose of running the cult as over-writing the purpose of her only existing to die for others. It was the first time in her life she really wanted to live rather than die for another, and his betrayal telling her to kneel and give her life to him hurt her badly. This ties into the second reason, which is that when he asked her to do that, she could see no future for him that didn't end in his eventual death because he'd keep treating the people around him badly and she wouldn't be there to save him from the consequences of his own actions. She views her purpose now as to guide Narinder through healing and becoming someone who won't get himself axed if she ever gives the crown back to him.
I see, perhaps your lambs pack thought that their nomadic lifestyle would keep them out of reach of the old faith, guess that didn't exactly pan out. Still though, i would imagine the lambs pack didn't go out without a fight, maybe even bringing some of the cultists down with them.
My lamb betrayed Narinder for similar reasons. He was fully willing to return the red crown to narinder, even being willing to serve under him post liberation, all he asked was to be allowed to continue living with the people he cherished most, particularly his beloved wife, a deer named Melody. Not only did Narinder deny this, but he revealed that he saw Lambert as nothing more than a tool to secure his freedom, and he made it clear that both Lambert and his followers would be sacrificed, as they were of no further use to Narinder. Lambert, as you may guess, did not take that well.
My lamb betrayed Narinder for similar reasons. He was fully willing to return the red crown to narinder, even being willing to serve under him post liberation, all he asked was to be allowed to continue living with the people he cherished most, particularly his beloved wife, a deer named Melody. Not only did Narinder deny this, but he revealed that he saw Lambert as nothing more than a tool to secure his freedom, and he made it clear that both Lambert and his followers would be sacrificed, as they were of no further use to Narinder. Lambert, as you may guess, did not take that well.
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