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Tygon mentioned he had a gladiator character who fought in the buff and who would be interested in fighting Three in the arena in the romanish story I'm working on for 24 hour comic day.
I said that if Three ended up fighting a woman who insists on not wearing any armor, the first thing she;d probably do is smack her hard in the boob to show her exactly why you should wear at least a little bit of padding. This resulted in a big discussion about some of the other gladiators thinking about joining in and fighting naked, and then changing their minds when they see what happens when you fight Three. Or it could be the women tried convincing the men to fight naked and the men deciding that there are some things better left protected with metal.
Of course even if Three won this fight, who do you wanna bet got called out to do the final arena battle at the end of the day, the regular or the lady who fights nekkers? Hopefully the crowd won;t notice the fact that one boob is a little swollen and bruised...
(We were killing each other with the meta talk. Hee!)
Copic marker on 4x6 canvas board.
I said that if Three ended up fighting a woman who insists on not wearing any armor, the first thing she;d probably do is smack her hard in the boob to show her exactly why you should wear at least a little bit of padding. This resulted in a big discussion about some of the other gladiators thinking about joining in and fighting naked, and then changing their minds when they see what happens when you fight Three. Or it could be the women tried convincing the men to fight naked and the men deciding that there are some things better left protected with metal.
Of course even if Three won this fight, who do you wanna bet got called out to do the final arena battle at the end of the day, the regular or the lady who fights nekkers? Hopefully the crowd won;t notice the fact that one boob is a little swollen and bruised...
(We were killing each other with the meta talk. Hee!)
Copic marker on 4x6 canvas board.
Category Artwork (Traditional) / General Furry Art
Species Feline (Other)
Size 979 x 650px
File Size 686.3 kB
Honestly? Come right down to it, boobs don't matter. Might hurt badly to get hit on one, but all the vital organs are protected by the ribs. The guts, on the other hand, have no such protection... In that respect the small shield the lioness has got is more sensible than Three's armour, actually.
Unfortunately it looks like the skill difference between the two is vastly in Three's favour, if the lioness let her shield get that far out of position.
Unfortunately it looks like the skill difference between the two is vastly in Three's favour, if the lioness let her shield get that far out of position.
Speaking from experience....
(SCA heavy fighter, ex-Dagorhir fighter, Elizabethan rapier fencer...)
If you have a shield, you don't actually need much or any armor to stay alive and intact... IF you know how to use it.
Zulu warriors used a large shield and no armor- not even helmets, and did fine for centuries by just relying on agility and the short stabbing spear, just to give an example.
Celts in the bronze age and into the iron age often fought naked with just a large shield and spear or sword as a display of courage and prowess.
Ancient Greek stories refer to warriors sometimes fighting nude for the same reason- relying on the huge round shields and their weapon in order to show off their manliness.
(The movie 300 was intended to portray classical Greek heroic mythological storytelling tradition...The Spartan actors were wearing those little leather G strings to preserve the sensibilities of the audience.)
I have read that some gladiatorial combats in Empire era Rome were fought entirely nude- but confirming this is a bit hard, as I have not seen the source material for myself... It does fit in with Imperial Roman tastes, so its possible.
(There WERE female gladiators too- we have the names of several from funerary markers.)
These are just the examples I could come up with off the top of my head.
There may be others in history, but I think you get my point.
-Badger-
(SCA heavy fighter, ex-Dagorhir fighter, Elizabethan rapier fencer...)
If you have a shield, you don't actually need much or any armor to stay alive and intact... IF you know how to use it.
Zulu warriors used a large shield and no armor- not even helmets, and did fine for centuries by just relying on agility and the short stabbing spear, just to give an example.
Celts in the bronze age and into the iron age often fought naked with just a large shield and spear or sword as a display of courage and prowess.
Ancient Greek stories refer to warriors sometimes fighting nude for the same reason- relying on the huge round shields and their weapon in order to show off their manliness.
(The movie 300 was intended to portray classical Greek heroic mythological storytelling tradition...The Spartan actors were wearing those little leather G strings to preserve the sensibilities of the audience.)
I have read that some gladiatorial combats in Empire era Rome were fought entirely nude- but confirming this is a bit hard, as I have not seen the source material for myself... It does fit in with Imperial Roman tastes, so its possible.
(There WERE female gladiators too- we have the names of several from funerary markers.)
These are just the examples I could come up with off the top of my head.
There may be others in history, but I think you get my point.
-Badger-
The "Freedom!" theme is modern Hollywood.
The reason the real historical Spartans were fighting was more survival than anything else, plus a tribal belief in the superiority of their own culture, etc, etc....
Too complex for a typical modern audience, and requiring too much explanation for moviegoers whose usual knowledge of history is that their was one, and something happened way back when- but they have no idea beyond thinking that dinosaurs might have been involved...
Its a much simpler task for scriptwriters to just fill the dialogue with buzzwords.
Yes, the complete shitcanning of actual history for cheap jingoism in "historical" movies is a large annoyance for me too.
I could accept it in 300 right off because I could see what they director was after from the start.
The filming in surreal lighting and over the top freak factor costuming removed it from reality for me. Once that was established, I was able to see the mythical imagery intended, and simply went "Oh, they are filming in mythic imagery. Cool."
The method may simply have been too subtle, or too alien for a lot of moviegoers to understand what they were seeing, but I got it from the beginning.
-Badger-
The reason the real historical Spartans were fighting was more survival than anything else, plus a tribal belief in the superiority of their own culture, etc, etc....
Too complex for a typical modern audience, and requiring too much explanation for moviegoers whose usual knowledge of history is that their was one, and something happened way back when- but they have no idea beyond thinking that dinosaurs might have been involved...
Its a much simpler task for scriptwriters to just fill the dialogue with buzzwords.
Yes, the complete shitcanning of actual history for cheap jingoism in "historical" movies is a large annoyance for me too.
I could accept it in 300 right off because I could see what they director was after from the start.
The filming in surreal lighting and over the top freak factor costuming removed it from reality for me. Once that was established, I was able to see the mythical imagery intended, and simply went "Oh, they are filming in mythic imagery. Cool."
The method may simply have been too subtle, or too alien for a lot of moviegoers to understand what they were seeing, but I got it from the beginning.
-Badger-
Huh. A fair point. It does have a touch of the mythical without actually involving the usual mythical things, like giants, gods and monsters. So, it does kinda work that way. But I know just enough about history to find the movie a little hard to enjoy.
Oh, and it should be "that there was one". =P I don't know history that well, but grammar is second-nature to me, even if I forgot half the rules.
Oh, and it should be "that there was one". =P I don't know history that well, but grammar is second-nature to me, even if I forgot half the rules.
Well....You can... if you accept a certain loss of mobility.
We do it in SCA armored combat, and injuries are lower than in comparable full contact sports as a result.
How well your armor protects really depends on what weapons you are facing.
A full set of chainmail including a full head helm with an aventail or mail coif, gauntlets, and chausses for the legs will make you more or less immune to light slashing swords.
But someone with a baseball bat could beat you to death with only slightly less effort than if you weren't wearing such armor at all, if you held still for him.
A full harness of plate would keep you alive against the same weapon and opponent, but you couldn't easily chase him down.
He does have to come into range to attack you though....and if it were me, armed with a bastard sword, I'd just split his head, or take his legs off at the knees and accept the one blow he is likely to get off before I kill him.
If I had a sword and shield, he likely wouldn't even get a hit on me.
(I know how to handle a shield...)
Since well made plate will deflect most of the force of a round blunt weapon like a bat, (Its designed to do that,) I might have a bruise when its over, but I will probably be the one standing.
-Badger-
We do it in SCA armored combat, and injuries are lower than in comparable full contact sports as a result.
How well your armor protects really depends on what weapons you are facing.
A full set of chainmail including a full head helm with an aventail or mail coif, gauntlets, and chausses for the legs will make you more or less immune to light slashing swords.
But someone with a baseball bat could beat you to death with only slightly less effort than if you weren't wearing such armor at all, if you held still for him.
A full harness of plate would keep you alive against the same weapon and opponent, but you couldn't easily chase him down.
He does have to come into range to attack you though....and if it were me, armed with a bastard sword, I'd just split his head, or take his legs off at the knees and accept the one blow he is likely to get off before I kill him.
If I had a sword and shield, he likely wouldn't even get a hit on me.
(I know how to handle a shield...)
Since well made plate will deflect most of the force of a round blunt weapon like a bat, (Its designed to do that,) I might have a bruise when its over, but I will probably be the one standing.
-Badger-
Pop! tssssssssss...
Personally, I think that even if you are badass enough to fight without any kind of armor or padding, males and females would still feel the need to wear a loincloth or top of some kind in order to keep their groinal/chesticular region from flopping about, especially when sharp edges are involved.
Personally, I think that even if you are badass enough to fight without any kind of armor or padding, males and females would still feel the need to wear a loincloth or top of some kind in order to keep their groinal/chesticular region from flopping about, especially when sharp edges are involved.
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