Well that's what Princess Platinum gets for having a mining pit dug before even planting a flag.

And I believe the Clone High holiday episode didn't mention Christmas, as they had Snowflake Day instead (well, maybe Christmas was mentioned in passing). I like it all the same. Always good when they take an alternate world and continue to stick to it.

I just thought of another one: the Star Wars Holiday Special. That took place on Life Day.

But yes, I love alternate-world continuity. All the Whos down in Whoville were celebrating... Christmas? So there was a Who Christ?

It's in celebration of the legendary Who hero, Chris the Generous.

I think Life Day is supposed to be Thanksgiving, though, as opposed to Christmas (or at least the special was a Thanksgiving one).

and I just finish watching that episode.

That still dosent explain Celestia and Luna.....what are they hidding... >__>

Good call on the pardoy however Turtle

Didn't you hear the intro? This all took place before Celestia & Luna ever arrived on the scene.

But the Equestrian flag at the end shows both of them!

The flag is only shown as a prop of the pageant (not as an element of the "flashback".

Presume that its only meant as symbolism. It's very doubtful that the ponies actually built a flagpole and a new flag before actually building anything ELSE in the area.

It's possible that the flag was more for the purposes of the play. Much like the Mane 6 representing the whole races (as I imagine the events in question happened with more than 6 ponies).

Another theory I've seen is that Celestia and Luna existed even then, just up in the heavens in more traditional deity fashion. They'll descend down to rule from the ground later on.

Another theory I've seen is that Celestia and Luna existed even then, just up in the heavens in more traditional deity fashion. They'll descend down to rule from the ground later on.

If that was the case, why was he unicorn clan controlling the sun and moon? Or were they just taking credit for something that was happening outside their control?

It's possible they were using their powers to call to Celestia/Luna, sort of like they were priests. One could also go seriously headcanon on this, and say that the unicorns at one time could raise the sun and moon by themselves (collectively, not individually, but still by themselves), until they did something that angered the gods (our little Alicorns), who stripped them of that power. It's tough to say in the context of the play, since it's hard to tell how much was factual and how much was "abbreviated" for the sake of the play.

It's like the American flag in "Washington Crossing the Delaware."

Or the numerous anachronisms in Shakespeare, like the guard in "Julius Caesar" saying laborers ought to go about wearing the sign of their profession (a common practice in Shakespearean England, but apparently not so much in ancient Rome).

Despite Twilight's objections, the prop pony decided to use the more-recognizable modern version of the flag, rather than a historically-accurate one.

And after?What Nazi flyin saucers started tausing out alicorns left and right?
It was a good episode even awesome.But admit thats a big plothole.

Read Masem and Relaxing Dragon's comments.

The problem-I refuse to believe Celestia and Luna are "Gods"

They don't have to be. It was probably all they had to use. They didn't know that Nightmare Moon was real, remember; I doubt anyone remembers what the first flag of Equestria looked like.

It was probably just a more modern stage prop to better symbolize unity and pay some respect to the two monarchs.

They could be interpreted as goddesses in a GrecoRoman mythological sense, which were pretty much just top tier royalty with superpowers if you look at their role in the myths in a certain way.

The sisters are never presented as creators or even as particularly omniscient or omnipotent outside their literal spheres of influence. The ponies don't really seem to worship them as much as revere them and occasionally swear by them. (By Jove!)

Aphrodite arose full grown from sea foam surfing on a big seashell. Athena sprang out of a cleft in Zeus' forehead fully grown and in full battle gear. And those are tame compared to a lot of deities from other traditions.

I don't have a lot of trouble envisioning Celestia and Luna springing forth from that giant flaming pink heart as ponifications of the harmony of the three tribes. Just the same Discord could have coalesced out of the friction and strife that the ponies, being mortal, were still capable of.

Your mileage, of course, may vary, since this is all headcannon 'til the canon fires.

That is true but there is one more thing-
If unicorns can already use their magic to lower the sun and raise the moon...why have Celestia and Luna do it?
Or is it a future sign of great respect to entrust such an important taks upon such powerful beings.
And how could I forget my Greek mythology-afterall Kronos did eat all of his kids plus a rock then puked them all out

Well, this is mostly fanwonkery on my part, but I kind of gathered from the play that it took multiple unicorns to do it, instead of a single pony per celestial body. (I wouldn't go so far as to say the entire tribe of unicorns had to do cooperate to raise the sun and moon, but one could take it there if one's fanfiction demanded it.)

Taken the other way, it does diminish the "tyrant" aspect to Celestia & Luna a bit if they don't have a monopoly on whether the sun rises. Of course that doesn't totally account for the Nightmare Moon situation, but I'd probably take that as Celestia being the point-mare for dealing with her sister at the time of the first incident. Still, if both princesses flipped out and decided to go on strike, it's nice to know the unicorns could keep Equestria going.

Another thing, mythologically speaking the ponies in general seem to function as minor nature spirits, like dryads and sprites and such, in how they take a direct hoof in regulating the elements and nature.

YMMV as usual, tho.

Actually the nature spirit phenomenon does have a valid point.I considered it myself.
I do hope if that royal wedding episode is confirmed and we have a third female alicorn princess we might get an insight on alicorns.

Seems all very symbolic to me. Even the flag thingy. Like....the events the play covers have been so romanticisized and simplified over the years that it comes down to "blizzard spawned by hate causes unity among ponies".

The geopolitical situation they mention in itself seems like it was once far more complex than the simple story they performed. Twilight Sparkle probably has a whole section of the library devoted to that time period.

If its not at all covered up cause Celestia has something to hide you mean?

I just see a gap-The founding of Equestria,Discord,Nightmare and modern times....

Well this covers a single period in pony history it seems.

And I doubt Celestia is covering anything up.

It's just that by it's very nature, the further back in history you look, the more simplified things appear. The more holes develop as minor details are lost to the memory.

A good example of the sort of thing I'm talking about: People today honestly believe the Renaissance thinkers thought the Earth was flat. In fact, even the scholarly Christians in the Vatican could not only tell you it was round, but tell you the actual size of the Earth as we know it today (a value known through trigonometric methods since around 200BC).

Thats true.

But if I have to look at it like a historian-Founding of Equestria===>Possibly Discord====>Celestia and Luna====>Nigntmare Moon====>Modern day Equestria.

Discord himself said he was a SPIRIT of Disharmony.
But what about Celestia-we know from a spoiler a 3rd alicorn princess is canon so-if they arent formed by peace and love and friendship (which I was really hoping wouldnt happen)
And they are not spirits and possibly gods...what are they?

(also I dont want this to see like I am either bitchin or trolling-I should say I rather much enjoy this discussion so far)

Hmmm...Aliens? Residents of Equestria pre-pony-migration? Maybe the Pony Migration Period intruded upon an ancient Alicorn society, and some of the Alicorns decided to lead the ponies, but the alicorn society was displaced/reduced/assimilated?

Sorta like how the Late Migration Period destroyed the Western Roman Empire, only with less violence and more ponies.

Indeed.But when you said Aliens I could not help at picture that guy from the History chanel in my head

And your comment immediately made me think of this: http://equestria-prevails.deviantar.....52577#/d4h7rms XD

I KNEW IT!!! XD

<3

BTW, is "Hearth's Warming Eve" the first Christmas special that doesn't mention the word Christmas?

Not even close. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.p.....in/YouMeanXmas

That page even mentions a Frosty special with a Winter Festival and no Christmas in it.

Don't forget "Captain Wallmalander Q. Stumpboggler's Down-Home Shitkickin' Holiday Farm Fest"! I'm pitching it to several networks at the moment. There's been great interest!

I'd watch it!

Tch! And here I was thinking that episode wasn't until NEXT week! (goes and downloads)

No, I'd give that title in your question to the infamous Star Wars Holiday Special.

Also, cute and funny comic. X3

To be honest, it never occurred to me... I guess that meme is so old, it's new again!

bwahahahahahahaha!!!

YEEES! PIT-OF-DOOOM! FINALLY!

I -was- thinking this around this point, but I'll admit that I would have been -really- disappointed if they'd actually done this in the show legit.

I'm much happier with just you doing it. :p

I don't even like "300". I drew this mainly because I was worried that if anyone else drew it, they'd end it more gruesomely than my "little help" punchline. :}

You have my agreement.
Now I'm REALLY glad you made this joke.

So are you going to start doing more comics to cope with the break in episodes til Jan. 7th?

Most likely!

I thought it immediately. The Pegasi seemed very Greco-Roman already, but the way the ancient ones appeared, so militaristic and overbearing, it was either Spartan or Alexandrian Macedonian.

Yup, though now I wish I'd worded it exactly like Cmdr. Hurricane's actual line:

THE NAME! IS! PEGASOPOLIS!

we need more pegasi centurions.

well at least she didnt threaten clover the clever

clever

If they'd have done that bit, I would have lost it, I think

300 ecuetria

*looks to make sure no one is watching, and shoves da ponies into the pit*